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Jarod

Jarod

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Should be Elizabeth Warren!
While I like Hillary Clinton, I have since I met her once back in 1992, I don't believe her to be the best roll model for American women, and I don't like the idea of one couple occupying the White House repeatedly.

Don't get me wrong, if Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee its very likely that I will support her.

Elizabeth Warren is a better example for American women because she did not depend on her husband to get where she is. Hillary will be president, in very large part because her husband blazed the trail, because she stuck with him and supported him in very difficult times. That's an admirable trait, but hardly the way Ill be teaching my daughters to make their way.

EW, made it where she is on her own merit. She had support of her husband but he has not blazed the trail.
 
Jarod said:
Should be Elizabeth Warren!
While I like Hillary Clinton, I have since I met her once back in 1992, I don't believe her to be the best roll model for American women, and I don't like the idea of one couple occupying the White House repeatedly.

Don't get me wrong, if Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee its very likely that I will support her.

Elizabeth Warren is a better example for American women because she did not depend on her husband to get where she is. Hillary will be president, in very large part because her husband blazed the trail, because she stuck with him and supported him in very difficult times. That's an admirable trait, but hardly the way Ill be teaching my daughters to make their way.

EW, made it where she is on her own merit. She had support of her husband but he has not blazed the trail.
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I think Hillary's a great role model. She's brilliant, talented, educated and plays well with others. She raised a terrific child and despite criticism from many, stayed with her marriage vows after a horrible betrayal. I think she's the best thing that ever happened to Bill Clinton. I also think if the Clintons had been born 20 years later, Hillary would have been in the forefront blazing the trail for Bill. It's just unfortunate that women were still seen as second-class citizens when she began her career.

Now I support Warren 100% and don't have anything bad to say about her. But I think it's fair to say that women like Hillary broke down a lot of barriers in politics and the working world, and that Warren (and others) have Hillary to thank for her efforts.
 
Jarod said:
Should be Elizabeth Warren!
While I like Hillary Clinton, I have since I met her once back in 1992, I don't believe her to be the best roll model for American women, and I don't like the idea of one couple occupying the White House repeatedly.

Don't get me wrong, if Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee its very likely that I will support her.

Elizabeth Warren is a better example for American women because she did not depend on her husband to get where she is. Hillary will be president, in very large part because her husband blazed the trail, because she stuck with him and supported him in very difficult times. That's an admirable trait, but hardly the way Ill be teaching my daughters to make their way.

EW, made it where she is on her own merit. She had support of her husband but he has not blazed the trail.
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Hillary/Warren 2016
 
If Genghis Khan was the Democratic nominee is it "very likely" you would support him. Saying that if it was Hillary it is "likely" you would support her is like saying that if you had a VW Bug you'd likely drive it.
 
Red Betty would be as pointless as prez as she is as a senator.
She didnt even visit her constituency after the Boston bombings.
She offered her electorate no support.
Too busy living the high life in DC.
 
007 said:
Red Betty would be as pointless as prez as she is as a senator.
She didnt even visit her constituency after the Boston bombings.
She offered her electorate no support.
Too busy living the high life in DC.
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Hilarious thinking a Massachusetts Senator has a remote chance of being elected Prez.
 
I'm a Republican male so chances are high that my view of Hillary as a role model will differ from a Democratic female (or woman if you would like Darla). I see Hillary as a strong, smart and driven woman. I see Bill and Hillary as a power couple and I don't know if they get where they are without each other. Christi mentioned Hillary being betrayed by Bill but to me Hillary knew all along what Bill was doing. There was a basic agreement between them (whether spoken or unspoken) that if Bill was going to fool around that he not get caught in a compromising situation that would embarrass them and hurt their long-term goals. This is not to suggest Hillary liked or condoned Bill's cheating but she knew the kind of guy he was and she had high ambitions for both of them so she was willing to look away as long as there were no problems.

Does that make her role model material? I'd say that's up to each person to decide for themselves. One person is probably not going to be a role model to all people.

As for Elizabeth Warren deserving to be President because she "made it" without the help of her husband well there are lots of women who have followed that path so I'm not sure what makes Mrs. Warren more deserving than any others based on that criteria.
 
And Jarod if you want to talk about better examples for American women I don't how you think Elizabeth Warren's story comes even close to comparing to Condi Rice's. Rice grew up in the Jim Crow south and rose to where she did without a man, period. (I would assume she's a lesbian but I have no clue one way or another and nor do I care)

I'm well aware that when it comes to who we look up to in politics our personal political preferences strongly dictate who we do and don't like. I would surmise though that even those who don't like Condi's politics must have at least a small grudging amount of respect for what she has accomplished.
 
christiefan915 said:
I think Hillary's a great role model. She's brilliant, talented, educated and plays well with others. She raised a terrific child and despite criticism from many, stayed with her marriage vows after a horrible betrayal. I think she's the best thing that ever happened to Bill Clinton. I also think if the Clintons had been born 20 years later, Hillary would have been in the forefront blazing the trail for Bill. It's just unfortunate that women were still seen as second-class citizens when she began her career.

Now I support Warren 100% and don't have anything bad to say about her. But I think it's fair to say that women like Hillary broke down a lot of barriers in politics and the working world, and that Warren (and others) have Hillary to thank for her efforts.
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I agree with that.. .I simply think what Warren has accomplished is a better roll-model for my girls, who will be growing up in a modern more liberal world for women.
 
cawacko said:
I'm a Republican male so chances are high that my view of Hillary as a role model will differ from a Democratic female (or woman if you would like Darla). I see Hillary as a strong, smart and driven woman. I see Bill and Hillary as a power couple and I don't know if they get where they are without each other. Christi mentioned Hillary being betrayed by Bill but to me Hillary knew all along what Bill was doing. There was a basic agreement between them (whether spoken or unspoken) that if Bill was going to fool around that he not get caught in a compromising situation that would embarrass them and hurt their long-term goals. This is not to suggest Hillary liked or condoned Bill's cheating but she knew the kind of guy he was and she had high ambitions for both of them so she was willing to look away as long as there were no problems.

Does that make her role model material? I'd say that's up to each person to decide for themselves. One person is probably not going to be a role model to all people.

As for Elizabeth Warren deserving to be President because she "made it" without the help of her husband well there are lots of women who have followed that path so I'm not sure what makes Mrs. Warren more deserving than any others based on that criteria.
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See, I did not say that was why she deserved to be President.
 
cawacko said:
And Jarod if you want to talk about better examples for American women I don't how you think Elizabeth Warren's story comes even close to comparing to Condi Rice's. Rice grew up in the Jim Crow south and rose to where she did without a man, period. (I would assume she's a lesbian but I have no clue one way or another and nor do I care)

I'm well aware that when it comes to who we look up to in politics our personal political preferences strongly dictate who we do and don't like. I would surmise though that even those who don't like Condi's politics must have at least a small grudging amount of respect for what she has accomplished.
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She is another great roll model for women, she made a huge mistake regarding the Iraq war but that should not take away from her successes and what she accomplished and where she started.

However, EW got where she is and still was able to have a family and raise children. She stayed home and gave up major chunks of her career, yet came back in the career world to accomplish something huge. I want my daughters to have that choice and to know its possible.
 
Jarod said:
Should be Elizabeth Warren!
While I like Hillary Clinton, I have since I met her once back in 1992, I don't believe her to be the best roll model for American women, and I don't like the idea of one couple occupying the White House repeatedly.

Don't get me wrong, if Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee its very likely that I will support her.

Elizabeth Warren is a better example for American women because she did not depend on her husband to get where she is. Hillary will be president, in very large part because her husband blazed the trail, because she stuck with him and supported him in very difficult times. That's an admirable trait, but hardly the way Ill be teaching my daughters to make their way.

EW, made it where she is on her own merit. She had support of her husband but he has not blazed the trail.
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you know, I will agree with you.

I have decided she's less of a sociopath than clinton.

(p.s. I was calling politicians sociopaths before desh even learned to speak 4 syllable words, she's ruined it for me).

While I had the misfortune of having to see her give a speech last week cause she was the speaker at my younger brothers graduation, the one thing I took away from it is that I am now convinced warren never started her career to get into politics, and it just sort of happened.

Anyway, you don't become a professor usually as a stepping stone to the presidency.

Clinton on the other hand has dedicated her whole life to climbing the ladder of power for powers sake. I don't trust her at all. And I also think it's really fucked up to have political dynasties in our country. To have two bushes and two clintons within a 20 year period would be a joke. We seriously need laws about this stuff, the masses will be swung by names and it's a small step onto the path of defacto inherited presidencies. There are plenty of competent people out there that we don't need to vote based on names.
 
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