What About When The President Is Republican?

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The Force is With Me
While many liberals and progressives have come around to condemning the government’s actions in these recent Internal Revenue Service and Justice Department scandals, there seem to be a large swath of those dismissing the problems as part of the conservative imagination, effectively denying any systemic issues not only within the Obama presidency but within bloated government itself.

For every liberal commentator who has slammed the agencies for breach of trust and misconduct, there are plenty running cover for the administration by shrugging off the issues and chalking them up to media hype. That’s expected. And look, you may not find the recent IRS and DOJ stories “scandalous” — that’s fine. But CNN’s well-respected reporter Jake Tapper raises an excellent point you should consider: This misconduct and abuse sets a precedent for the next administration to expand upon. And what, then, if a Republican is next in office?

As we learned during the Bush years, Republicans are just as capable as the Democrats of engaging in executive overreach, bureaucratic abuse, and general incompetence. Only blind partisans think one party is the only party of bad behavior. And now that the Obama administration has continued (and often expanded upon) the precedents set by others, what’s to stop the next president — potentially a Republican — from continuing the trend?

In his book Crisis and Leviathan, economist Bob Higgs used the term “ratchet effect” to describe how the size and scope of government grows in spurts, typically during “crises,” and then never reverses course, regardless of how well-intentioned subsequent politicians may contend to be.

So even if the next president is determined not to repeat the same mistakes of this presidency, there will inevitably be other scandals of a similar nature. A common defense of this administration has been that “the higher-ups had no idea,” but that’s the main problem: An ever-expanding bureaucracy is one that inherently becomes unmanageable. This should worry progressives.

As I’ve written before, the IRS’ political targeting of conservative groups is especially egregious now, but it’s par for the course with “Big Government.” Under George W. Bush, progressive churches were allegedly targeted after engaging in anti-war speech; Bill Clinton‘s IRS reportedly targeted some political opponents; Richard Nixon‘s, John F. Kennedy‘s, and Franklin D. Roosevelt‘s IRS abuses are well-documented.

And it will happen again. Unless partisans on both sides agree to restrain the power of the Internal Revenue Service, drastically reform the tax code, and perhaps get rid of these 501(c)(4) laws that are easily open to selective enforcement abuse by whoever’s in power at the time.

In the case of the Justice Department secretly obtaining private phone records from the Associated Press and Fox reporter James Rosen, rather than defend the administration’s “right” to pursue its whistleblowers (however selective their pursuit has been), progressives should recognize the dangerous precedent set by this ordeal.

The DOJ’s powers to secretly obtain private records are already dangerously broad; a product of the post-9/11 expansion of executive power the Bush administration so readily ushered in. And Obama has done little-to-nothing in the way of rolling back those expansions — in fact, his administration has injected steroids into some of those ugly Bush-era policies.

So when the next president takes office, it likely won’t be another AP snooping case; but it’s a guarantee someone else will be subjected to the sweeping powers being broadened by administration after administration. Dismissing the DOJ scandals effectively means being okay with the next president doing something similar, even if it’s a liberal press outlet that is at the tail end of an overreaching investigation by Republicans.

These expansive powers aren’t going away if you pretend they don’t exist. And you can bet a hawkish Republican administration will abuse their ability to snoop as much as this administration has. Rather than wave away the problem, it’s time to admit wrongdoing and keep a tighter rein on government.

Yes, many of the conservatives now up in arms over the administration’s “war” on whistleblowers/reporters were the same ones screaming at journalists to “shut up” during the Bush years. They are also the same ones who cheered on the expansion of powers under the PATRIOT Act, etc.

But don’t dismiss the scandals simply because of the partisan opportunism of some. By coming around now, those folks automatically set a higher standard for themselves in the future. And progressives should try and do the same here.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/what...ls-shouldnt-dismiss-the-doj-and-irs-scandals/

A question I've been asking since Obama took office.

Obviously democrats can never, ever utter a word again about issues like Gitmo, rendition, and attacks on civil liberties.

What will democrats say when a republican is in office and attacking planet earth with impunity?
 
Dixie is still banned!

I condem the IRS scandal, but not the president, based on known facts. I have no prob with the justice dept scandal... Based on known facts.
 
Dixie is still banned!

I condem the IRS scandal, but not the president, based on known facts. I have no prob with the justice dept scandal... Based on known facts.

Thought you said there "was no there there" with the IRS?

Doesn't the IRS report to executive branch and doesn't Obama run executive branch?
 
Holder is done!
Huffington post reports he personally signed off on the reporters notes.

So much for the liberal rag label
 
Dixie is still banned!

I condem the IRS scandal, but not the president, based on known facts. I have no prob with the justice dept scandal... Based on known facts.


You don't even find it hard to believe that Obama is totally ignorant of just about everything going on is his administration.....
You don't even find it odd that we have an AG that recuses himself, but don't know when he did it....and didn't tell anyone he did it...and left no paper work that he did it...
You don't find it strange that a man that visited the White House over a hundred times don't remember what he was there for and who he talked to.
You don't find it troubling that the person in charge of IRS managing the dept. being investigated hides behind the 5th amendment, refuses to answer questions, etc....
You don't think it an abuse of power to cease the phone records of a hundred reporters or the parents of reporters or the company the work for.....
you don't blame the leakers for the problem, you blame those doing their jobs, asking questions and finding out what is going on in the world.

you bring up stupid Dem. talking points like, Well, Bush appointed him....as if that has anything to do with anything.....
You're a shameful lackey Jughead, narrowminded and totally partisan, a lemming....your lack of common sense and common justice is over the top for a
under educated citizen let alone an educated lawyer.....and then, even more frightening, they allow you to vote.
 
While many liberals and progressives have come around to condemning the government’s actions in these recent Internal Revenue Service and Justice Department scandals, there seem to be a large swath of those dismissing the problems as part of the conservative imagination, effectively denying any systemic issues not only within the Obama presidency but within bloated government itself.

For every liberal commentator who has slammed the agencies for breach of trust and misconduct, there are plenty running cover for the administration by shrugging off the issues and chalking them up to media hype. That’s expected. And look, you may not find the recent IRS and DOJ stories “scandalous” — that’s fine. But CNN’s well-respected reporter Jake Tapper raises an excellent point you should consider: This misconduct and abuse sets a precedent for the next administration to expand upon. And what, then, if a Republican is next in office?

As we learned during the Bush years, Republicans are just as capable as the Democrats of engaging in executive overreach, bureaucratic abuse, and general incompetence. Only blind partisans think one party is the only party of bad behavior. And now that the Obama administration has continued (and often expanded upon) the precedents set by others, what’s to stop the next president — potentially a Republican — from continuing the trend?

In his book Crisis and Leviathan, economist Bob Higgs used the term “ratchet effect” to describe how the size and scope of government grows in spurts, typically during “crises,” and then never reverses course, regardless of how well-intentioned subsequent politicians may contend to be.

So even if the next president is determined not to repeat the same mistakes of this presidency, there will inevitably be other scandals of a similar nature. A common defense of this administration has been that “the higher-ups had no idea,” but that’s the main problem: An ever-expanding bureaucracy is one that inherently becomes unmanageable. This should worry progressives.

As I’ve written before, the IRS’ political targeting of conservative groups is especially egregious now, but it’s par for the course with “Big Government.” Under George W. Bush, progressive churches were allegedly targeted after engaging in anti-war speech; Bill Clinton‘s IRS reportedly targeted some political opponents; Richard Nixon‘s, John F. Kennedy‘s, and Franklin D. Roosevelt‘s IRS abuses are well-documented.

And it will happen again. Unless partisans on both sides agree to restrain the power of the Internal Revenue Service, drastically reform the tax code, and perhaps get rid of these 501(c)(4) laws that are easily open to selective enforcement abuse by whoever’s in power at the time.

In the case of the Justice Department secretly obtaining private phone records from the Associated Press and Fox reporter James Rosen, rather than defend the administration’s “right” to pursue its whistleblowers (however selective their pursuit has been), progressives should recognize the dangerous precedent set by this ordeal.

The DOJ’s powers to secretly obtain private records are already dangerously broad; a product of the post-9/11 expansion of executive power the Bush administration so readily ushered in. And Obama has done little-to-nothing in the way of rolling back those expansions — in fact, his administration has injected steroids into some of those ugly Bush-era policies.

So when the next president takes office, it likely won’t be another AP snooping case; but it’s a guarantee someone else will be subjected to the sweeping powers being broadened by administration after administration. Dismissing the DOJ scandals effectively means being okay with the next president doing something similar, even if it’s a liberal press outlet that is at the tail end of an overreaching investigation by Republicans.

These expansive powers aren’t going away if you pretend they don’t exist. And you can bet a hawkish Republican administration will abuse their ability to snoop as much as this administration has. Rather than wave away the problem, it’s time to admit wrongdoing and keep a tighter rein on government.

Yes, many of the conservatives now up in arms over the administration’s “war” on whistleblowers/reporters were the same ones screaming at journalists to “shut up” during the Bush years. They are also the same ones who cheered on the expansion of powers under the PATRIOT Act, etc.

But don’t dismiss the scandals simply because of the partisan opportunism of some. By coming around now, those folks automatically set a higher standard for themselves in the future. And progressives should try and do the same here.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/what...ls-shouldnt-dismiss-the-doj-and-irs-scandals/

A question I've been asking since Obama took office.

Obviously democrats can never, ever utter a word again about issues like Gitmo, rendition, and attacks on civil liberties.

What will democrats say when a republican is in office and attacking planet earth with impunity?

Great post. But, you know as well as I do the hard core partisans will always deploy their best friend cognitive dissonance to protect themselves from inconvenient little facts. To be fair, I used to be one of them until I woke up one day and said "WTF How is Bush and the current crop of GOP any different than democrats". That is when I tore up my GOP registration card. It is very difficult for people to come to grips with the fact that their party isn't as pure as the wind driven snow. They invest lots of emotion into the process and it is much easier to simplify things into "my side good, their side bad". Truth be told the uprising of the Tea Party had as much to do with unhappiness with the GOP as it did with Obama. The establishment republican wing probably despises the Tea Party more than the democrats do at this time because they hold their feet to the fire. The McShamnesty's of the world like to talk the talk of conservatism, but his truest intentions are more like Obama's.

As far as whether democrats "can" bitch when a Republican is back in the White House? Yes, of course they will. Will it be credible with people like you and me? Of course not, but the sad truth is that we are a small minority. The mindless drones will suck it up like pablum. But, one can hope.
 
Thought you said there "was no there there" with the IRS?

Doesn't the IRS report to executive branch and doesn't Obama run executive branch?

Just because the IRS reports to the President does not mean he was involved. If evidence comes up that he was, I will condemn him.
 
Just because the IRS reports to the President does not mean he was involved. If evidence comes up that he was, I will condemn him.
this latest string of 'incidents' concerning agencies that report to him should proclaim (very loudly) the complete incompetence of Obama to run the white house.
 
Just because the IRS reports to the President does not mean he was involved. If evidence comes up that he was, I will condemn him.

So you think it is a coincidence that the head of the IRS union was at the White House the day before it started? You think it is a coincidence that the targeting began the same month that Obamacare was passed?
 
I said there is no there there regarding Benghazi... not IRS.

I know what you said.

Why was Stevens in such a dangerous place at such a dangerous time unprotected?

Until you can answer that question, you don't have clue about what happened there.
 
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