The Unbelievers

No, I did not say all beliefs are equal...

I did not say I was being persecuted. I am agnostic... I don't care one way or the other if God exists or not.

What I did say is the traits found in religion are also found in atheism. The insistence that you are right and others 'stupid' for their BELIEFS. The adamant views of aethists that God does not exist are no less adamant than the most die hard found in any religion. The similarities are there, you simply do not wish to see them because you feel you must prove that your beliefs are the correct ones.

That is your argument. If one believes there is no God or lacks the belief that there is a God you are claiming that is an article of faith just like religious belief.

The part in bold has NOTHING to do with the definition of religion and is not a necessary or even likely trait of religion.

Again, I am calling you a dumbass based on your stupid arguments.
 
Reincarnation is dependent on the notion that consciousness or the soul is of a supernatural quality. It is a part of a group of shared beliefs and practices.

Atheism does not teach anything.

There is a remote possibility that consciousness could survive after death by means of a natural mechanism that we do not yet understand. In my estimation the likelihood is very, very slim (less than 1 percent), but my point is that survival of consciousness and reincarnation wouldn't rely on the supernatural.
 
That is your argument. If one believes there is no God or lacks the belief that there is a God you are claiming that is an article of faith just like religious belief.

The part in bold has NOTHING to do with the definition of religion and is not a necessary or even likely trait of religion.

Again, I am calling you a dumbass based on your stupid arguments.

I did not say it had to do with the definition of religion. I said it was a trait shared by those of religion and atheism. You insist that God does not exist and that others are 'stupid' if they don't agree with you.
 
Superfreak, String, you're both right. Atheism is a word for those that posses no belief in a god. But that implies that they believe that one does not exist. That's where agnosticism comes in. Theism is the belief in a god, atheism is the belief in no god, agnosticism is saying "I don't know". I also wouldn't call atheism as structured as theism - there're no organizing bodies, or anything. It is, however, a core tenet of various belief systems.
 
Claiming atheism to be a religion is like calling baldness a hair style. Atheism is the absence of faith accompanied by strict reliance on reason.

So what is the 'reason' behind atheism. Explain it to us. Do you understand how nature works? Why we were able to evolve?

There are so many things we cannot explain, it is rather silly to assume that you know for sure there is no higher being controlling us. You assume that there is not, mainly because the religions depiction/stories about God have so many contradictions and holes in them. Yet when you look, there is a consistency in many of the religions in terms of what the stories are trying to convey. You fail to realize that it could be that mankind simply lacks the capacity to comprehend the message the higher being is trying to communicate to us. Similar to how we try to communicate with lower beings. Insisting that there cannot be a God, because of 'reason' is comical to me. There is too much unknown in the universe for mankind to be that arrogant.
 
I did not say it had to do with the definition of religion. I said it was a trait shared by those of religion and atheism. You insist that God does not exist and that others are 'stupid' if they don't agree with you.

Apparently, it is the defining trait as it is the only similarity you have mentioned. Atheism is not a religion. A religion is a set of beliefs and practices with a supernatural component. If you wanted to stretch it you might drop the supernatural part but that still does not include atheism.
 
So what is the 'reason' behind atheism. Explain it to us. Do you understand how nature works? Why we were able to evolve?

There are so many things we cannot explain, it is rather silly to assume that you know for sure there is no higher being controlling us. You assume that there is not, mainly because the religions depiction/stories about God have so many contradictions and holes in them. Yet when you look, there is a consistency in many of the religions in terms of what the stories are trying to convey. You fail to realize that it could be that mankind simply lacks the capacity to comprehend the message the higher being is trying to communicate to us. Similar to how we try to communicate with lower beings. Insisting that there cannot be a God, because of 'reason' is comical to me. There is too much unknown in the universe for mankind to be that arrogant.

Arrogance is NOT synonymous with religion, not a trait necessary to religion. Your argument is stupid.
 
The eye is a common point made by those who wish to "disprove" evolution. Granted, the modern human eye is a marvelously complex organ. But within living species of the animal kingdom you can find varying degrees of complexity in eyes and eye-like structures, even down to simple organisms that have simple light sensitive organs and organelles. The eye did not have to pop into being as a complex organ, nor would such soft tissue organs be good candidates for fossilization.

So you want to start off with a false premise. You are apparently and either or person which to me represents shallow thinking. Maybe it is your fear of the unknown that makes you uncomfortable.

You will notice that I mentioned more than just the human eye which either you willfully ignored or was completely over your head.
 
A religion is a set of beliefs and practices with a supernatural component.

again, it is not.....wiki does not have that as a requirement in its definition.....

Definitions

There are numerous definitions of religion and only a few are stated here. The typical dictionary definition of religion refers to a "belief in, or the worship of, a god or gods"[17] or the "service and worship of God or the supernatural".[18] However, writers and scholars have expanded upon the "belief in god" definitions as insufficient to capture the diversity of religious thought and experience.

Edward Burnett Tylor defined religion as "the belief in spiritual beings".[19] He argued, back in 1871, that narrowing the definition to mean the belief in a supreme deity or judgment after death or idolatry and so on, would exclude many peoples from the category of religious, and thus "has the fault of identifying religion rather with particular developments than with the deeper motive which underlies them". He also argued that the belief in spiritual beings exists in all known societies.

The anthropologist Clifford Geertz defined religion as a "system of symbols which acts to establish powerful, pervasive, and long-lasting moods and motivations in men by formulating conceptions of a general order of existence and clothing these conceptions with such an aura of factuality that the moods and motivations seem uniquely realistic.[20] Alluding perhaps to Tylor's "deeper motive", Geertz remarked that "we have very little idea of how, in empirical terms, this particular miracle is accomplished. We just know that it is done, annually, weekly, daily, for some people almost hourly; and we have an enormous ethnographic literature to demonstrate it".[21] The theologian Antoine Vergote also emphasized the "cultural reality" of religion, which he defined as "the entirety of the linguistic expressions, emotions and, actions and signs that refer to a supernatural being or supernatural beings"; he took the term "supernatural" simply to mean whatever transcends the powers of nature or human agency.[22]

The sociologist Durkheim, in his seminal book The Elementary Forms of the Religious Life, defined religion as a "unified system of beliefs and practices relative to sacred things".[23] By sacred things he meant things "set apart and forbidden — beliefs and practices which unite into one single moral community called a Church, all those who adhere to them". Sacred things are not, however, limited to gods or spirits.[note 2] On the contrary, a sacred thing can be "a rock, a tree, a spring, a pebble, a piece of wood, a house, in a word, anything can be sacred".[24] Religious beliefs, myths, dogmas and legends are the representations that express the nature of these sacred things, and the virtues and powers which are attributed to them.[25]

In his book ‪The Varieties of Religious Experience‬, the psychologist William James defined religion as "the feelings, acts, and experiences of individual men in their solitude, so far as they apprehend themselves to stand in relation to whatever they may consider the divine".[26] By the term "divine" James meant "any object that is godlike, whether it be a concrete deity or not"[27] to which the individual feels impelled to respond with solemnity and gravity.[28]

Echoes of James' and Durkheim's definitions are to be found in the writings of, for example, Frederick Ferré who defined religion as "one's way of valuing most comprehensively and intensively".[29] Similarly, for the theologian Paul Tillich, faith is "the state of being ultimately concerned",[30] which "is itself religion. Religion is the substance, the ground, and the depth of man's spiritual life."[31]

When religion is seen in terms of "sacred", "divine", intensive "valuing", or "ultimate concern", then it is possible to understand why scientific findings and philosophical criticisms (e.g. Richard Dawkins) do not necessarily disturb its adherents.[32]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion
 
obviously, like everything else, it requires a choice.....

The point is that religion is a set of beliefs. Atheism has no set of beliefs whatsoever.

The attempt to paint atheism as a religion is ludicrous. With such a broad definition, lack of belief in Leprechauns would also be a religion.
 
what you are failing to remember is that atheism IS a religious belief. An Atheist is going to do everything thing they can in the name of their religion to be 'right'. They must have the absolute in order to justify their faith that their belief that God does not exist is correct.

Come on, SF. Are you really trotting out this old lame bit?

No, atheism is not a religious belief. Atheism is about not believing in any deity or supernatural being. That is not the same thing.


Let me give you a better example. Collecting stamps is a hobby. I don't collect stamps. Is NOT collecting stamps a hobby as well?
 
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