The insanity of blaming Islam

christiefan915

Catalyst
April 19, 2013, at 5:16 PM

We are still speculating about virtually everything right now, but I feel as though I need to explain why I find the quick and easy conversation about Muslims being radicalized in America to be so illogical and laced with bigotry. Of course, there is a global violent jihadist movement, loosely organized, that wants to recruit young men to influence policies at home and abroad and perhaps usher in the global caliphate. That ideology motivates some Muslims to kill innocent people. But you're allowed to be a radical Muslim in America. You're allowed to believe that the Qu'ran proscribes the most elegant set of laws. You're allowed to believe that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. And you can say, in America, pretty much anything you want. Not everything, and after 9/11, a little less, but you can still make very unpopular arguments.

So just for the sake of argument, let's assume that the only factor that motivated these two brothers from Chechnya to set off bombs and kill police officers is their decision to accept some form of radical Islamic teachings as their foundational belief system. (I highly doubt this is the case, but let's just throw it out there.) We ask: "We have to look at the whole issue of radicalization. What prompts someone raised as an American to cause such carnage?" That's what Peter King, the Republican chair of the Homeland Security committee, asked. So he goes right to the religion; somehow, he slides very quickly past the possibility that something about America is radicalizing people of all sorts.

He commits the sin of essentialism.

It's a horrible habit: A Korean-American shoots fellow students at Virginia Tech, and suddenly, we're forced to pretend that it's OK to blame Korean-American family structure and culture for putting him over the edge, ignoring the millions of Korean-Americans who have never considered taking up arms. The murderer Andrew Cunanan was, in Tom Brokaw's famous words, a "homicidal homosexual." See? The gay made him do it. But when a white kid murders dozens of children, we don't ask whether the predominant Christian religion in America somehow radicalized him, or whether his upbringing was somehow less American than anyone else's. Stupid questions! Glad we don't ask them.

It is far more plausible that American gun culture, the way that Americans are uncomfortable with people who are different, the gaps in the mental heath system, and a hundred other things, some of which cannot ever be controlled, pushed these two men over the edge. If it was Islam, or a hidden network of radical jihadists, then these types of events would not be rare in America. That they are is the answer to whether Islamic radicalization is a problem that Americans can and must contend with by stigmatizing Muslims.

What is it about America that so alienates young men? What is it about their community — Cambridge, lower-middle class, American popular culture — that isolated them and encouraged their pursuit of a different way to add meaning to their lives? Here's the thing: We won't really ever know. We rightfully seek closure and answers, but we ought to come to grips with the reality that violence against random others is often a conspiracy of the mind.

I love American culture, and I also think that something about living in a modern society loosens the moorings that prevent us from acting on our deepest, ugliest thoughts. Maybe in America it's a combination of economic distress, mass media, access to guns, bias and prejudice; maybe elsewhere it's the decline of ordering institutions like the church. The two suspects were Cantabrigians before they were Chechens. They were Americans before they Chechens. They were Americans; one was apparently a Muslim who had found a lovely girlfriend and never seemed to find that his religion was incompatible with whatever "normal" America is supposed to be.

Bias against Muslims is real and it hurts. And the easiest way to radicalize un-radicalized people is to treat them like enemies.

http://theweek.com/article/index/243051/the-insanity-of-blaming-islam
 
There's another thread on here about the same point...why is it when a dark muslim does something heinous it reflects on the whole group of people but when a white christian does, it doesn't?
 
I propose an answer to this. People have a natural tendency to look for answers, however they don't normally need the right answers to a question merely the easiest. So when somebody does something bad we resort to the following checklist:

Different Religion?
Different Country?
Different Culture?
Different Economic Level?
Any other Major differences?(Sexuality etc)
If none of these apply, then it must be because he's crazy.
 
So it's bad to generalize Islam and Muslims because of the actions of a radical few, but acceptable and encouraged to bash and generlize gun owners, based on the actions of a radical few?

Hmmmm, that seems like a contradiction.
 
So it's bad to generalize Islam and Muslims because of the actions of a radical few, but acceptable and encouraged to bash and generlize gun owners, based on the actions of a radical few?

Hmmmm, that seems like a contradiction.
Oh ya, it definitely is. If the anti gun liberals really believed in limiting all to prevent violence they should get rid of guns, alcohol, cars, religion and most especially governments.
 
So it's bad to generalize Islam and Muslims because of the actions of a radical few, but acceptable and encouraged to bash and generlize gun owners, based on the actions of a radical few?

Hmmmm, that seems like a contradiction.

Who's doing that? By desiring that background checks be done on all purchases?
 
Even the lefties Lord High Priest of Liberalism, Bill Maher, recognizes the Muslims are barbaric nutjobs....killing men, women and children for the Prophet.....
All crazy nutjobs with some nuttier than others, but all nuts nervertheless......it just takes the right match to light their fuse and they go berserk....
 
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LOL

As soon as the bombing happened, the media went into overdrive on speculating that it was a white Republican tea party member,. Now that it has been confirmed that they were muslim terrorists, the liberals go into ovedrive to blame the USA as the cause of it.
 
Who's doing that? By desiring that background checks be done on all purchases?


Do you see you're assuming that everyone that buys a gun must be loony so you have to check them out.....

Anyway, we have background checks right now....but after we agreed to that, you wanted to include ammo, after that you suddenly want 'expanded' checks....after that it will be something else...until the 2nd Amendment is so convoluted, it will cease to exist as it was first intended.....
 
Let me pose a hypothetical here....

Let's imagine, Pat Robertson was a little nuttier than he already is, and oh... about 20 years ago, he started preaching Christian Jihad! Inciting Christian followers to commit acts of terror against those who don't follow Robertson's Christian teachings. Now, while Robertson's fanatics are out there blowing shit up and killing innocent people, other prominent Christians, like Mike Huckabee and Billy Graham, aren't really condemning the acts, they are saying it's sad and unfortunate, but they remain mostly complacent about it. Christian schools all across America are now teaching Robertson's fanatical beliefs that Christians must kill all who don't believe, and this is a mandate from God.

In such a scenario, do you think the left would be defending Christianity? Would christie be explaining to us how it wasn't Christianity to blame for Robertson's fanaticism? Somehow, I just don't think that would be the sentiment, if this were a Chrisitan Jihad.
 
Do you see you're assuming that everyone that buys a gun must be loony so you have to check them out.....

Anyway, we have background checks right now....but after we agreed to that, you wanted to include ammo, after that you suddenly want 'expanded' checks....after that it will be something else...until the 2nd Amendment is so convoluted, it will cease to exist as it was first intended.....

Do you see that everyone of the faith of Islam must be a terrorist and dealt with as such?

The rest? Is pure paranoia. Expanded checks include private sales.... that's it.
 
Has anyone seen any good news from Islam lately?
And btw Christian jihad? Really? Complete oxymoron. Jumbo shrimp.
 
Has anyone seen any good news from Islam lately?
And btw Christian jihad? Really? Complete oxymoron. Jumbo shrimp.
Christians do don't do jihads, they never hurt anyone, they live on a little island and pray daily to jesus and grow flowers and love their neighbors as themselves, they donate weekly to charity and always have something nice to say about somebody, they never cause trouble and they think that it would all be wonderful if we could just get along.

I'd like to go further but I'm afraid some god will smite me for such a colossal lie.
 
Who's doing that? By desiring that background checks be done on all purchases?

i have said before and still think that background checks need to be made before the purchase of a firearm, ammunition and/or clips for firearms

i think that the entire background check system needs to be overhauled and severe penalties (at least a felony) for not reporting ineligible people be instituted

make straw purchases a felony

and just to be fair, make not removing a person from the check list both a criminal and civil action
 
Do you see you're assuming that everyone that buys a gun must be loony so you have to check them out.....

Anyway, we have background checks right now....but after we agreed to that, you wanted to include ammo, after that you suddenly want 'expanded' checks....after that it will be something else...until the 2nd Amendment is so convoluted, it will cease to exist as it was first intended.....

Background checks should be universal and cover all ways of buying and selling, no loopholes.
 
Do you see that everyone of the faith of Islam must be a terrorist and dealt with as such?

The rest? Is pure paranoia. Expanded checks include private sales.... that's it.

I think Islum is a vile, evil violent religion. I think we should ban immigration from countries that have been sponsors of terror. I think all Mosques should be shut down. But, you trust those Muslimes at your own peril
 
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