Unarmed on Campus... Call the cops, they will protect you... NOT

Lucius Cornelius Sulla said:
So then you have some sort of statistical evidence, not anecdotal evidence, to back up your claim that there are a significant number of CCW holders who act irresponsibly?

No rush, I am hourly.
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I didn't say that there are a significant number of CCW holders who act irresponsibly, though it only takes one to allow a student to gain access to a firearm that would otherwise not be accessible. Do you have some sort of statitiscal evidence, not anecdoatal evidence, to support the idea that allowed CCW holding teachers to carry guns in schools reduces the incidence of school shootings?
 
Dungheap said:
I didn't say that there are a significant number of CCW holders who act irresponsibly, though it only takes one to allow a student to gain access to a firearm that would otherwise not be accessible. Do you have some sort of statitiscal evidence, not anecdoatal evidence, to support the idea that allowed CCW holding teachers to carry guns in schools reduces the incidence of school shootings?
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Do I have evidence for a situation that has never happened before? Is that your question?
 
Dungheap said:
I didn't say that there are a significant number of CCW holders who act irresponsibly, though it only takes one to allow a student to gain access to a firearm that would otherwise not be accessible. Do you have some sort of statitiscal evidence, not anecdoatal evidence, to support the idea that allowed CCW holding teachers to carry guns in schools reduces the incidence of school shootings?
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This is a retarded question. All of the recent shootings have occurred in "gun free" zones. It's common sense why. It's also common sense that a teacher carrying a weapon would stop a shooter a lot faster than a teacher who did not.

A related question, when did common sense get thrown out the window in rational debate?
 
Superfreak said:
Yes, that is what he is asking. Come on now, cough it up. I mean there is no reason psychos go to schools where they know they will likely be the only ones armed. Oh wait...
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Do you have any actual evidence to suggest that mass murders go to schools because they know that they will be the only ones armed?
 
Dungheap said:
So let's just let all these teachers carries guns if they want to and hope for the best then. Sounds like a swell idea.
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Well, considering that they have proven capable of carrying responsibly in overwhelming numbers, that incidents with civilian shooters (I.E. CCW holders) have a 5x lower rate of harming innocents than police, that they have equal or greater training than the majority of police, and that incidents with CCW holders are incredibly low to start with, I'd say it's more than a safe bet.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
only if you confiscate all knives, bats, clubs, wrenches, screwdrivers, hacksaw blades, etc.

but lets focus on your gun confiscation posit........let me hear your plan.
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When some nut, spurned lover, disgruntled student etc. wants to get revenge, the idea is to do the most damage to the victim with the least damage to self. That's why using a gun is so enticing. Bystanders (at least me) would be more likely to get involved if someone was swinging around a screwdriver, not pointing a gun.
 
Lucius Cornelius Sulla said:
Well, considering that they have proven capable of carrying responsibly in overwhelming numbers, that incidents with civilian shooters (I.E. CCW holders) have a 5x lower rate of harming innocents than police, that they have equal or greater training than the majority of police, and that incidents with CCW holders are incredibly low to start with, I'd say it's more than a safe bet.
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It's not clear to me what the bet is, exactly. I mean, the odds of a mass shooting incident at a school is pretty remote in the first instance. So is the incidence of irresponsibily among CCW holders more or less common than the extremely uncommon event that allowing CCW to carry in schools is designed to protect against? Also, too, there is the question of efficacy.

So, no, I wouldn't sat its more than a safe bet at all.
 
Dungheap said:
It's not clear to me what the bet is, exactly. I mean, the odds of a mass shooting incident at a school is pretty remote in the first instance.
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Ok then, so you'd also find doing nothing an acceptable course? Because I'd be fine with nothing.
So is the incidence of irresponsibily among CCW holders more or less common than the extremely uncommon event that allowing CCW to carry in schools is designed to protect against?
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Yes.

Also, too, there is the question of efficacy.
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Well, that is unknown. It might have a significant effect of stopping a mass shooting in its infancy. It may have no effect. I'm not a person who says it WILL do anything. I do think it won't HARM anything, and that is reason enough to try it. Because in the event of such a happening, you can either have a gun or call someone with one, who is farther away than yourself.

So, no, I wouldn't sat its more than a safe bet at all.
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Then I don't know what you'd suggest.
 
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