Republican Senator Rob Portman SUpports Gay Marriage . . .

[Cancel 2020.1]

So that's how tolerance works, eh?
You guys get to decide if someone's REASON is good enough?

You guys should really look at yourselves for a moment

Right. And for you, there is no difference between:

"You know, I did some soul-searching on this issue, and if we really believe in equal rights and liberty for everyone, there is no reason gay marriage should be illegal."

and

"Wait a sec - MY son is gay. Never mind about my previous position on this one."

 

[Howey]

nobody is stopping queers from getting married. they just have to marry someone from the opposite sex. nobody can marry whomever they choose.

but I guess since Portman has changed his mind, then I must change mine right?

NOT

See what I mean? If ILA's nelly, lisping, sashaying 19 year old son came up to him and say "lookie me! I'm a faggot!" he'd toss him out on the street.

Unfortunately, if he wasn't all that, just a normal guy who was gay, the homophobic hater that is ILA would still toss him out.

Funny thing is, ILA wants to suck dick more than most gays.

I'd pay good money to see a gay guy or chick beat his ass all the way back to Stonewall after shoving a baseball bat up his hairy ass.

 

[tinfoil]

Right. And for you, there is no difference between:

"You know, I did some soul-searching on this issue, and if we really believe in equal rights and liberty for everyone, there is no reason gay marriage should be illegal."

and

"Wait a sec - MY son is gay. Never mind about my previous position on this one."

Who are you to judge?
I don't care how someone decides, only what their decision entails.

Mind your own business.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

Who are you to judge?
I don't care how someone decides, only what their decision entails.

Mind your own business.

I can judge whatever I want to; you do all of the time.

I'm cynical about this because it's a repetitive pattern. How many wars do you think we would have fought in the last century if politicians had to send their own kids? How many issues would be different if everyone had a miraculous "change of heart" because they were suddenly affected personally?

It should give everyone pause. If your principles are entirely dependent on your personal involvement, maybe it's time to re-assess those principles. For too long, "being a good Republican" has meant taking a morally righteous stance against homosexuality. In turn, this has enabled all kinds of discrmination, harassment and bullying of gay people.

Sorry if I'm not all "hey, welcome to the fold!" on this one.

 

[Bonestorm]

Who are you to judge?
I don't care how someone decides, only what their decision entails.

Mind your own business.

Maybe you missed the part about Portman being a Senator. His opinions on matters of public policy, and how he reaches them, are our business.

 

[cawacko]

Maybe you missed the part about Portman being a Senator. His opinions on matters of public policy, and how he reaches them, are our business.

Dung, I know Onceler mentioned this already but you do view how Portman came out in support of gay marriage (his son) differently than say how Obama came out for it?

 

[Bonestorm]

Dung, I know Onceler mentioned this already but you do view how Portman came out in support of gay marriage (his son) differently than say how Obama came out for it?

Obama was much more of a chiken-shit, but Portman's reasoning is much shallower.


Edit: And when I say "much more of a chicken-shit" I mean, like, exponentially much more of a chicken-shit. I mean, Obama is probably the only person in America, other than people who have undergone some sort of dramatic religious conversion, to have supported same-sex marriage in 1996 and not support it in 2004. Get real, Obama. Asshole.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

It doesn't give the federal government any authority, that is left with the states. If you are a strict constructionist, you will agree with me. Additionally, morality is a key component of keeping the US Constitution as founded.

Class dismissed

then what STATE constitutions give states the authority over marriage?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

It doesn't give the federal government any authority, that is left with the states. If you are a strict constructionist, you will agree with me. Additionally, morality is a key component of keeping the US Constitution as founded.

Class dismissed

also, what kind of strict constructionist are you referring to? Scalia type strict constructionist where his ideology alone is considered strict constructionist, or napolitano type strict constructionist where if it isn't in the constitution, the gov has zero power ever?

 

[Jarod]

. . . Because his son is gay:




I'm glad that Rob Portman supports gay marriage now. Really, I am. Welcome, Bobby. But it bugs the shit out of me when people like Portman are stricken with a sudden bout of empathy for people just like them or their immediate family members. It shouldn't take his son coming out as gay for Portman to recognize "that if two people are prepared to make a lifetime commotment to love and care for each other in good times and in bad, the government shouldn't dent them the opportunity to get married." That sentiment seems pretty fucking self-evident.

If only his son could be unemployed single mom of a child with disabilities and no health insurance . . .



http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_new...-announces-support-for-same-sex-marriage?lite

It took Cheney's daughter being gay for him to wake up on this issue... But unfortunantly that is how many people are. Unless and until it affects close family they are against anything different. The good news is that now that people are coming out of the closet more and more... the family members realize they have a gay relative and will wake up to the cause.

I think Portman's conversion is the symbolic Normandy in the battle for gay marriage, the struggle will continue but the outcome is now clear. We just have to clean up those laws groups of Conservatives who wont move forward. In 20 years being anti-gay marriage will be akin to having been pro-segregation. Everyone who can get away with it will pretend they were onboard all along.

 

[Jarod]

Someone I follow on Twitter said, if only his son were poor. It's a good point. The same thing with Nancy Reagan and stem cell research, Dick Cheney and gays...the only time they give a shit is when it affects them personally. They have literally no empathy.

That is one of the hallmarks of Conservatives.... it permates there thinking, if it dont help me directly... screw them Im against it.

 

[Jarod]

This coincides with what I've said about the homophobes like 007, ILA and Patriot66 on here. Find out that precious kid of yours is gay and it's a whole new story. Of course, considering the level of hatred in their hearts, they'd kick the kid out and disown him or her.

That is the other side of the coin, in the past people like Cheney or Portman would have really had no choice but to disown there kids, but because they now have a "side" to join, and wont be ostersized by society they are "brave" enough to stand up for there kids or brothers or sisters, aunts or uncles.

 

[Jarod]

Why does the left punish their opposition for changing and joining in their viewpoint?

1) Nobody is punishing anyone.
2) Obama did it for resaons that the fact that that it finally affected his family, thats what this thread is about.
3) Personally, I belive Obama was against it for political reasons, once it helped him he became for it for political reasons. The tide has changed and politically its better to be FOR gay marriage. (If these were Obama's reasons, they are the wrong reasons)

 

[Jarod]

can you point out to the class what part of the constitution gave government any authority over marriage?

The only authority I belive the Constitution has given the Federal Government regarding this issue is the Full Faith and Credit Clause. Now the power over Marriage is left to the States, but if a couple is married under the laws of one State, then all other States must give that marriage Full Faith and Credit.

 

[Jarod]

It doesn't give the federal government any authority, that is left with the states. If you are a strict constructionist, you will agree with me. Additionally, morality is a key component of keeping the US Constitution as founded.

Class dismissed

"Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof." - United States Constitution, Article IV, Section I


CLASS DISMISSED!

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Obama was much more of a chiken-shit, but Portman's reasoning is much shallower.


Edit: And when I say "much more of a chicken-shit" I mean, like, exponentially much more of a chicken-shit. I mean, Obama is probably the only person in America, other than people who have undergone some sort of dramatic religious conversion, to have supported same-sex marriage in 1996 and not support it in 2004. Get real, Obama. Asshole.

And if anyone intimately knows an asshole it's Dungheap!!!

 

[Jarod]

Well there you're heading into uncharted waters. I doubt you understand how difficulat and traumatic it is for a parent to realize that their child is gay, and all that implies. It's not an easy situation for either the parent or the child.

Personally considering how the knuckle draggers have taken over the GOP, I think Mr. Portmans change of mind took real political courage. I'm sure there will be a political back lash in the Party by social conservatives for his change of heart that he will have to deal with but still.....good for Mr. Portman!!

Finding out my child is gay would NOT be traumatic in the least.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

The only authority I belive the Constitution has given the Federal Government regarding this issue is the Full Faith and Credit Clause. Now the power over Marriage is left to the States, but if a couple is married under the laws of one State, then all other States must give that marriage Full Faith and Credit.

so that should mean that a texas concealed handgun license is valid in any other state, correct?

 

[Jarod]

Who are you to judge?
I don't care how someone decides, only what their decision entails.

Mind your own business.

Its like showing your work in math class. The reason matters because of what it says about someone's world view and how they will come down on other issues.

 

[Jarod]

so that should mean that a texas concealed handgun license is valid in any other state, correct?

Thats different because possession of a weapon is not a state of being. Thats why it can be illegal to have pot in Tampa, but legal in Denver. It can be legal to have sex with a 14 year old in Alabama, and illegal in Florida. But if you married a 14 year old in Alabama, you would still be married when you moved to Florida. If Florida tried to prosecute you for having a gun in while you were in Texas.... then the FFand C clause would apply. But if you marry in Texas, Alabama cant refuse to resonize that status.

I know you will pretend to not understand the distinction, but it is a very real distinction.