zappasguitar
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You'd best not hold your breath waiting for USF to respond with the locations where those points are documented.
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You'd best not hold your breath waiting for USF to respond with the locations where those points are documented.
USF, so then you are just talking shit. You don't have documentation of anything.
While I was waiting for you to respond I did some more research. I watched Zimmerman's reenactment of the incident and there are quite a few holes in his story and problems. First he claims there were things said in the dispatcher conversation that were not.
He claims that the dispatcher asked him, after he told them that Martin had ran away if he still wanted them to send an officer. That did not happen. He claims he was looking for an address on another street (???) but the dispatcher asked him if he was following and he answered yes. He claims at the end of the call that he gave them the make and model of his vehicle and told him to just meet them at his vehicle. He did not do either of those things. The dispatcher suggested the truck which he agreed to at first and then later asked to have them call him. Pretty obviously he did not plan on being near his truck.
Another problem I have is with his claim that Trayvon used both of his hands to cover his nose and mouth. I find it really hard to believe that Zimmerman outweighing Trayvon by 35-50 pounds could not buck Trayvon off of him with his hands in such a position. I can easily buck someone considerably heavier than me off with his hands in such a position. It's not that easy to hold a grown man down especially when you are giving up fifty pounds, your body weight is up in the air (not laying on them) and your hands are not clutching. I just find that rather absurd, but maybe grind's hero is really that much of a wimp.
But the biggest problem is that he claims that Trayvon attacked him at the top of the T and that he fell immediately. The site of the shooting was at least 35 to 40 feet from the top of the T. If Zimmerman fell immediately they would have had to have rolled down there. I find it rather incredible to think they would have rolled that far. Plus, Trayvon was supposedly on top the whole time so the rolling does not work. Further, Trayvon's phone was found next to his body. Unless we are to believe the girlfriend was lying, and the phone records corroborate her story, then Trayvon was on the phone right up until the beginning of the struggle. How did he fight with Zimmerman while holding on to the phone and then moving 35 feet down the sidewalk? The girlfriend claimed that it sounded as if the phone fell away immediately. That is consistent with where it was found IF the confrontation began closer to where it ended (as it should have) and Zimmerman is lying.
Another point is that witnesses at the complex corroborate the girlfriends claim that preceding the struggle they heard someone asks "What are you doing here?" or "Why are you here?" Zimmerman claims in the reenactment that it all started with Martin asking if he had a problem and aggressive talk from Martin with Zimmerman being conciliatory. He never mentions that phrase. Apparently, in other statements Zimmerman gave a version very similar to the girlfriends and the witnesses of the verbal exchange.
It's pretty clear that Zimmerman is, at the very least, conveniently misremembering important facts.
While I was waiting for you to respond I did some more research. I watched Zimmerman's reenactment of the incident and there are quite a few holes in his story and problems. First he claims there were things said in the dispatcher conversation that were not.
He claims that the dispatcher asked him, after he told them that Martin had ran away if he still wanted them to send an officer. That did not happen. He claims he was looking for an address on another street (???) but the dispatcher asked him if he was following and he answered yes. He claims at the end of the call that he gave them the make and model of his vehicle and told him to just meet them at his vehicle. He did not do either of those things. The dispatcher suggested the truck which he agreed to at first and then later asked to have them call him. Pretty obviously he did not plan on being near his truck.
Another problem I have is with his claim that Trayvon used both of his hands to cover his nose and mouth. I find it really hard to believe that Zimmerman outweighing Trayvon by 35-50 pounds could not buck Trayvon off of him with his hands in such a position. I can easily buck someone considerably heavier than me off with his hands in such a position. It's not that easy to hold a grown man down especially when you are giving up fifty pounds, your body weight is up in the air (not laying on them) and your hands are not clutching. I just find that rather absurd, but maybe grind's hero is really that much of a wimp.
But the biggest problem is that he claims that Trayvon attacked him at the top of the T and that he fell immediately. The site of the shooting was at least 35 to 40 feet from the top of the T. If Zimmerman fell immediately they would have had to have rolled down there. I find it rather incredible to think they would have rolled that far. Plus, Trayvon was supposedly on top the whole time so the rolling does not work. Further, Trayvon's phone was found next to his body. Unless we are to believe the girlfriend was lying, and the phone records corroborate her story, then Trayvon was on the phone right up until the beginning of the struggle. How did he fight with Zimmerman while holding on to the phone and then moving 35 feet down the sidewalk? The girlfriend claimed that it sounded as if the phone fell away immediately. That is consistent with where it was found IF the confrontation began closer to where it ended (as it should have) and Zimmerman is lying.
Another point is that witnesses at the complex corroborate the girlfriends claim that preceding the struggle they heard someone asks "What are you doing here?" or "Why are you here?" Zimmerman claims in the reenactment that it all started with Martin asking if he had a problem and aggressive talk from Martin with Zimmerman being conciliatory. He never mentions that phrase. Apparently, in other statements Zimmerman gave a version very similar to the girlfriends and the witnesses of the verbal exchange.
It's pretty clear that Zimmerman is, at the very least, conveniently misremembering important facts.
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UH; in the dispatchers report.
Is this an admission, on your part, that you're arguing this and haven't even bothered reviewing all the available information?
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And yet you continue to completely ignore the information that was originally stated, in the dispatchers report.
Odd that the defense isn't being allowe to review that message on the girl friends phone and have been refused information from his mothers phone.
But then, you're the same kind of person who truly believed that the Duke Lacrooss team was guilty of rape also; because as we know, the Prosecuter's comments are always factual.
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Trayvon is dead and can no longer commit any more crimes
zappasguitar
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And yet you continue to completely ignore the information that was originally stated, in the dispatchers report.
Odd that the defense isn't being allowe to review that message on the girl friends phone and have been refused information from his mothers phone.
But then, you're the same kind of person who truly believed that the Duke Lacrooss team was guilty of rape also; because as we know, the Prosecuter's comments are always factual.
That's the ticket!
If your bullshit excuses don't cut it, just move the goalposts and make up some new excuse so you can continue to whine about ST's responses.
You can't post the sources your "facts" come from and now more of your standard diversionary bullshit is being dragged into the discussion so you can continue to ignore requests for proof to back your bullshit.
None of the points you mentioned are documented in the dispatchers report.
It was not documented that Zimmerman stopped following Trayvon, that he was returning to his vehicle or that Traybon became the aggressor. You are either quite confused or making thing up.
And yet you continue to completely ignore the information that was originally stated, in the dispatchers report.
Odd that the defense isn't being allowe to review that message on the girl friends phone and have been refused information from his mothers phone.
But then, you're the same kind of person who truly believed that the Duke Lacrooss team was guilty of rape also; because as we know, the Prosecuter's comments are always factual.
What you claim is not is in the dispatcher's report. I did not ignore what was in the dispatchers report. I referenced it noting the fact that Zimmerman claims points of conversation that clearly did not happen.
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Then disprove that he had stopped following Martin and was returning to his car.
Thanks grand wizard, hopefully your fellow klan member will die for causing it
zappasguitar
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Always someone else's responsibility, isn't it?
Y-O-U made the claim it was in the dispatchers report...it's Y-O-U-R job to back up your allegation...it is NOT Sir Digby's job to disprove anything.
More typical horseshit from the Zimmerman defenders.
Yeah, that is not documentation that he was returning to his vehicle or had stopped following Martin. All you have is Zimmerman's word. His credibility has been suspect from the start, I pointed out many of his distortions in his reneactment and he lied to the court about finances apparently intending to profit off of right wing morons (always a very lucrative business).
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So basically what this boils down to is; you don't want to believe Zimmerman and since Martin is dead, in your view this means that Zimmerman is guilty (no matter what).
What this boils down to is that you made a claim you cannot support. Zimmerman's claims are not any sort of "documented" proof. They are just his claims. The value of them relies on his credibility and whether they seem reasonable. His credibility is questionable and he has shown he is willing to lie to the court for his own benefit. His reenactment leaves a lot of things in question and he clearly distorted the events either because he was lying or he misremembered them.
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USFREEDOM911
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In that case, no one can make a claim that they can support.
Prosecuters aren't known for being the most honest, when they want a conviction, and there is enough evidence in Martin's past to cast doubt on his own behavior.
But like I said: You're convinced that's he guilty and are basing it all on unproven supposition; but I thought that we had a presumption of innocence, except in cases that the left are screaming about.
You are being ridiculous. The charge is not the great miscarriage of justice that you drama queens pretend. I am basing it on the fact that he shot and killed Trayvon. He claims self defense and I find that rather dubious as he pursued Martin. As has been pointed out his comments do not make it appear that he intended to return to his vehicle. There is proof both from Trayvon's girlfriend and residents at the complex that he questioned Martin in an accusatory manner. His claims of the discussion leading to the struggle have been contradicted by both witnesses and apparently he may have changed his story about it as well. As has been pointed his claims of where the struggle are not consistent with the physical evidence. There are holes in his reenactment and I don't buy it. He claims Trayvon grabbed at his gun but again there is no proof of that. Finally, Zimmerman has already attempted to deceive the court.
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Like I said: you''re allready convinced that Zimmerman is guilty and you intend to ignore anything to the contrary.
No, I just think the evidence against him is fairly compelling. There really is not much proof to the contrary. Just his claims of self defense. He and his wife claimed they were destitute too, reportedly even using coded language in their discussions to hide the proceeds from their website.
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Your ealier presentations have shown that you DO think Zimmerman is guilty and you have no problem with skipping the trial and sentencing stages and go right into the execution.