Christianity under fire!

ROFL....let me guess.....you thought they meant GDP per capitalist, didn't you.........

where does Communist China fall on the chart......that is where you live, remember?......
Sorry old chap, but I live in Hong Kong. I have just looked out of my window to check.
No need to apologise, you are, after all, just a poor and gullible yank.
 
So....to you, freedom means "economic freedom"......

If you look at the post I was responding to you will realise that you are wrong. Getting quite a habit, what?
However I am still freer than you. I can say and do as I choose without fear of a loony with a gun or of an interfering government as you would know were you to know me. I am not frightened to walk the streets and I am not bound by any religious dogma. There is nothing I wish to do that I am prevented from. I would call that freedom. What would you call it?
 
If you look at the post I was responding to you will realise that you are wrong. Getting quite a habit, what?
However I am still freer than you. I can say and do as I choose without fear of a loony with a gun or of an interfering government as you would know were you to know me. I am not frightened to walk the streets and I am not bound by any religious dogma. There is nothing I wish to do that I am prevented from. I would call that freedom. What would you call it?

Let me clue you in sonny....there is a loony with a gun or a knife or just thumbs to stop you from breathing somewhere near you home...you just haven't been unfortunate to run into him or her yet.....and I can and do say what I choose, am not frightened to walk the streets nor am I bound by any religious dogma.....
and you're getting it wrong is getting to be a bit old, what mate ?...

The economic freedom you speak of and the economic freedom I enjoy may not be exactly the same....so I can't speak to that .....nor can I give an opinion on which is better....that to is a matter of opinion...............What I can say with confidence is....I wouldn't live in Hong Kong on a bet....
 
Why omit the pertinent words.....Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

Is there a law that says you must pray ..... is there a penalty if you don't.....

Or are pinheads trying to make a law that says you MUST NOT PRAY....?

Well thats not the way it is.Is it?
 
Well, we are used to your crap, sailor boy, but now you have broken all records with your ignorance.

You are not as free as I am. Freedom is, in part, the ability to ask questions without fear of recriminations from government or society. Religion, and in particular, christianity, islam and judaism promote definite answers and do not encourage the asking of questions. Hence the oft cited 'Islam wants us all back in the seventh century'.
Unswerving faith in a deity does not encourage the questions that lead to the inventions that make your life possible. Science (the enquiring mind) has given you that.
Had we followed religious dogma we would have less food for more people, we would have learned nothing of the cosmos and man's place in it. We would know nothing more than we did a thousand years ago.
Come ashore, Jolly Jack. You'll find the logic of terra firma makes sense.
And please, I beg you, stop thinking your shit dont stink. You are a freakin' yank. You cause wars, death and destruction everywhere you go.

More whining and complaining from a citizen of a country who invaded and destroyed a slew of already established societies and now that there ass has been kicked back to their lonely little island; they're known as the Once Great Has Beens.
 
If you look at the post I was responding to you will realise that you are wrong. Getting quite a habit, what?
However I am still freer than you. I can say and do as I choose without fear of a loony with a gun or of an interfering government as you would know were you to know me. I am not frightened to walk the streets and I am not bound by any religious dogma. There is nothing I wish to do that I am prevented from. I would call that freedom. What would you call it?

You fucking lying little bitch.
By your own admission, you live in a GATED community; so you can avoid the unwashed masses that also live in HK.

You're nothing but a pathetic has been wanker.
 
Let me clue you in sonny....there is a loony with a gun or a knife or just thumbs to stop you from breathing somewhere near you home...you just haven't been unfortunate to run into him or her yet.....and I can and do say what I choose, am not frightened to walk the streets nor am I bound by any religious dogma.....
and you're getting it wrong is getting to be a bit old, what mate ?...

The economic freedom you speak of and the economic freedom I enjoy may not be exactly the same....so I can't speak to that .....nor can I give an opinion on which is better....that to is a matter of opinion...............What I can say with confidence is....I wouldn't live in Hong Kong on a bet....

There really is not a loony near my home waiting to do me harm. If there was he would probably do it with words. We just don't think like that.
You (plural) cannot walk where and when you choose. Would you allow a twelve year old girl to travel on her own on public transport? I would. Would you walk the streets of America's largest city armed with nothing? I would and frequently do travel at night, come home from city centre hostelries, go walking through the old areas of the city knowing as much as anyone can know that I will be safe from harm.
WE DO NOT THINK LIKE YOU DO.
But this I can say with a certain amount of confidence. You would not like Hong Kong... or rather Hong Kong would not like you, not for any political reason, but simply because, as a yank you would probably have patterns of behaviour, violence in your demeanour and an extremely loud voice that would be unacceptable.
 
i did not ask you what scotus said, what does the constitution say, show me the separation clause!

Ok, the 1st Amendment clearly states that the govt cannot establish a state religion nor can it prohibit the free exercise of a religion.

That is why the SCOTUS has ruled consistently, and came up with a three-part test for laws dealing with religion.

"Writing for the majority, Chief Justice Burger articulated a three-part test for laws dealing with religious establishment. To be constitutional, a statute must have "a secular legislative purpose," it must have principal effects which neither advance nor inhibit religion, and it must not foster "an excessive government entanglement with religion.""
 
Only to you, the Constitution says NOTHING about separation of Church and State, say it with me. When the Supreme Court decided to not allow prayer led by teachers the went against the very wording of the Constitution.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. . . . last I checked prayer is not an establishment of a religion, let those who do not wish to pray with the teacher not pray, or pray to whatever false God they want. You are infringing on the teachers right to free speech period. I do not care what some Liberal Judges decided. i would just stand in front of the class and say I am going to pray to god join me if you want.

And if your child is being taught by a muslim or a wiccan? Will you let them be taught to kneel on a prayer mat facing Mecca? Or will you allow them to speak to the Goddess & God.
 
so tell me.....could Hong Kong do anything China didn't let them do?......(please answer the question without looking anything up)...........

It already is and has been doing since 1997. The 'let' bit was negotiated by the British in the run up to 1997, so it is not a question of not doing or of doing what it is told. The Basic Law, for that is what the result of those negotiations is called, is to last 50 years. What will happen then is anyone's guess, just as it is in America.
We have the rule of law, free speech. We drive on the left whereas China drives on the right. Our average salaries are many times those of china and we have a partly elected legislative council which does very little one way or the other. Our Chief Executive is agreed with china and is, to all intents and purposes, a puppet, but the various burgeoning democracy parties bear little allegiance. The last time China tried to throw its weight around was over Article 23 (look it up) and hundreds of thousands took to the streets and prevented it.
China, however, is not the big, bad bogeyman your propaganda would have you believe. Its purpose is to bring China into the 21st century and, as you must realise, a growth and development programme like that cannot function under what you call democracy. What has taken you several hundred years China is achieving in a few tens. It cannot be judged according to western principles and certainly cannot be judged by Americans who are fed as much anti chinese propaganda as the Chinese are fed pro chinese propaganda. To your country China has taken the place of the USSR and Cuba. A totally fictitious enemy. But you like being scared shitless so I'll leave you to it.
 
It already is and has been doing since 1997. The 'let' bit was negotiated by the British in the run up to 1997, so it is not a question of not doing or of doing what it is told. The Basic Law, for that is what the result of those negotiations is called, is to last 50 years. What will happen then is anyone's guess, just as it is in America.
We have the rule of law, free speech. We drive on the left whereas China drives on the right. Our average salaries are many times those of china and we have a partly elected legislative council which does very little one way or the other. Our Chief Executive is agreed with china and is, to all intents and purposes, a puppet, but the various burgeoning democracy parties bear little allegiance. The last time China tried to throw its weight around was over Article 23 (look it up) and hundreds of thousands took to the streets and prevented it.
China, however, is not the big, bad bogeyman your propaganda would have you believe. Its purpose is to bring China into the 21st century and, as you must realise, a growth and development programme like that cannot function under what you call democracy. What has taken you several hundred years China is achieving in a few tens. It cannot be judged according to western principles and certainly cannot be judged by Americans who are fed as much anti chinese propaganda as the Chinese are fed pro chinese propaganda. To your country China has taken the place of the USSR and Cuba. A totally fictitious enemy. But you like being scared shitless so I'll leave you to it.



Its only a matter of time until reality hits your little imaginary utopia....


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