Obama one of the Greats!

When he accomplishes something useful, I'll give him all the credit hes due....nothing more and nothing less.....

I noticed you didn't even attempt to try and refute my take on the events listed....very smart of you.....

"Your take"? You mean that Obama "just happened to be there" when OBL was killed? That isn't a "take." That's just ignorance.

And stuff like saving the auto industry - a bunch of electoral votes in MI & OH beg to differ w/ you.

Your "take" is nothing but pure partisan, shoot-from-the-hip hackery. There is no insight; no factual foundation. It's nonsense.
 
Yes, all wars are shameful. As rational, thinking humans we should be able to settle differences without war.


Then we could have avoided the Civil War and kept slavery.....that would be your world....fool.
 
Your conclusions are lays soaring, but even when you are shown the errors of your wy, you still keep repeating your stupidity, so it really doesn't do ny good to educate you, you choose to remain willfully ignorant.

Thats a lame dodge....but its all you got...you know I'm right about what I say in the post....
 
Its simple, Afganistan was not getting the support it needed because Bush was persueing a needless and harmfull crusade in Iraq. Its not the number of people killed in war that makes it shamefull, its the number of unnecessary deaths.

Congress voted to invade Iraq.

The body counts stopped when Bush left office.
 
Your conclusions are lays soaring, but even when you are shown the errors of your wy, you still keep repeating your stupidity, so it really doesn't do ny good to educate you, you choose to remain willfully ignorant.

Do you understand the difference between education and indoctrination? I'd love to educate you when you have the time.
 
"Your take"? You mean that Obama "just happened to be there" when OBL was killed? That isn't a "take." That's just ignorance.

And stuff like saving the auto industry - a bunch of electoral votes in MI & OH beg to differ w/ you.

Your "take" is nothing but pure partisan, shoot-from-the-hip hackery. There is no insight; no factual foundation. It's nonsense.


You deny that the intelligence gathered in the previous 10 years didn't play the MAJOR role in it happening.....?
And that the methods and policy's from that decade was what made it all possible....?

If so, then you must think the Sec. of Def. is a liar....he publicly admitted as much...he just gave the ok to do it.....as anyone would. He played no role in
making it happen other than that.

What part do you think he played?
 
"Your take"? You mean that Obama "just happened to be there" when OBL was killed? That isn't a "take." That's just ignorance.

And stuff like saving the auto industry - a bunch of electoral votes in MI & OH beg to differ w/ you.

Your "take" is nothing but pure partisan, shoot-from-the-hip hackery. There is no insight; no factual foundation. It's nonsense.


Your take is purely political....electoral votes and all that crap...

I never said it wasn't great for his election or for gaining political capital....it certainly was....

I'm not talking about how this stuff played politically....

If you're gonna refute something...do it ....and be specific.....with facts....
 
You deny that the intelligence gathered in the previous 10 years didn't play the MAJOR role in it happening.....?
And that the methods and policy's from that decade was what made it all possible....?

If so, then you must think the Sec. of Def. is a liar....he publicly admitted as much...he just gave the ok to do it.....as anyone would. He played no role in
making it happen other than that.

What part do you think he played?

LOL

How about MAKING THE DECISION.

It's not even fun with you. You're textbook hack.
 
Your take is purely political....electoral votes and all that crap...

I never said it wasn't great for his election or for gaining political capital....it certainly was....

I'm not talking about how this stuff played politically....

If you're gonna refute something...do it ....and be specific.....with facts....

Oh...you mean stuff like the fact the American auto industry not only survived but thrived, and did so because of Obama's efforts?

Facts like that?

Doofus.
 
Survived ? Thrived ????? At a cost to taxpayers of $68,000,000,000.....

Maybe you'd like to read an article on huffington, I know if it came from Fox you'd ignore it....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-pfeifle/the-gm-bailout-hood_b_2067264.html

You're not very good at math, either. A huge part of that $ was paid back, and in the long run, keeping that industry domestic = trillions for the American economy & all of the jobs associated w/ the auto industry.

Glad you're not making any decisions. Saving the auto industry came cheap.
 
You've been shown Democrats who voted for the invasion and were saying the same things about Iraq before Bush was President. Don't let the truth get in your way. Believing your own party's propaganda is not useful here.

Now face the truth about four Americans who were left by your President to die.

:rolleyes: "Our" president left them to die, get a grip.

"...At least three areas of controversy have arisen.

The first is that the ambassador had asked for more security for Americans in Libya. He didn't get more, for the familiar reason of a shortage of money on the part of the Department of State. (This is a normal Washington response, familiar to me from service in Beirut and Mogadishu.) Whatever blame for the four deaths accrues from that shortfall can be passed to Congress, or the State Department or the ambassador himself for not screaming louder.

Attributing blame is in any case largely pointless. Any Foreign Service officer with half a brain knows that he or she does the job -- which involves getting around the country and meeting with a wide range of sometimes dubious characters -- in the face of some measure of danger. If he doesn't like it, he always has the option of requesting a transfer to a more salubrious environment.

A second area of controversy has been that no U.S. security forces were close enough or prepared enough to ride to the rescue of the embattled ambassador and his team. Such a rescue could have fortuitously occurred, but these incidents blow up quickly. The chances of the cavalry riding over the crest of the hill in time were very small.

A third area of controversy has been that U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan E. Rice on Sunday morning talk shows provided an account of what occurred in Benghazi -- based on the intelligence she had been provided -- that later information indicated may have been wrong. To this day, nobody -- with the possible exception of those who carried out the attack -- knows for a fact what actually happened. Ms. Rice relayed to television viewers the information she had been given -- that's all.

Efforts since then to hang Ms. Rice are entirely politically motivated, intended to block President Barack Obama from naming her as secretary of state, should he wish to do so. She ought to be nominated for that post, or not nominated, on the basis of her merits, not on the basis of whether what she said about Benghazi held up as more information became available. Mr. Obama shouldn't make his choice based on the very confused picture of what happened in Benghazi.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories...uestions-about-benghazi-663939/#ixzz2DZPZxZ00

 
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You're not very good at math, either. A huge part of that $ was paid back, and in the long run, keeping that industry domestic = trillions for the American economy & all of the jobs associated w/ the auto industry.

Glad you're not making any decisions. Saving the auto industry came cheap.


so you're just gonna ignore the article on huffington.....?.....its all a lie and you (and Rana) know better....
 
Franklin Pierce and Rufus King got WA counties in their name, so it's not beyond the pale to assume Buchanan has a monument somewhere. My point, Jarod, is that Obama has accomplished about as much as Buchanan, Hoover, Nixon, and Dubya, regardless of what accolades he may receive.

Buchanan was an accomplished ambassador prior to becoming president. Hoover and Carter are celebrated humanitarians, and Nixon had his domestic reforms and diplomatic accomplishments. Obama got a Nobel peace prize for war and drone strikes.

Pretty hackish to add the odious Nixon to this bunch.
 
You're not very good at math, either. A huge part of that $ was paid back, and in the long run, keeping that industry domestic = trillions for the American economy & all of the jobs associated w/ the auto industry.

Glad you're not making any decisions. Saving the auto industry came cheap.


GM: repaid $23.1 billion of the $49.5 billion it got from the U.S. Treasury, including all of its outstanding loans. But Treasury still owns 500 million shares, or 32%, of GM stock. To recoup its full investment, GM stock needs to hit $52.80 per share. It’s currently trading around $21. GM also received a $106 million matching grant to build a battery factory in Brownstown, MI, where it is assembling battery packs for the Chevrolet Volt plug-in car using cells imported from Korea.

Chrysler: repaid $9.2 billion, fulfilling its debt obligations to the U.S. and Canadian governments, and is now owned by Italian automaker Fiat (58.5%) and a health care trust for UAW retirees (41.5%). Overall, taxpayers lost $1.3 billion on the Chrysler bailout. In full recovery mode, Chrysler is currently the fastest-growing carmaker in the world.

Ford: used its $5.9 billion loan to convert two truck plants to small-car production and to develop more fuel-efficient vehicles like the Ford Focus EV and C-Max Energi plug-in hybrid, on sale this fall. Loan repayments start in September. Ford says it will spend $14 billion over the next seven years on advanced-technology vehicles.

Nissan: received a $1.4 billion loan to build a battery plant and modify an existing car factory in Tennessee to produce the electric Nissan Leaf (currently imported from Japan). Production of battery packs begins at the end of September; Leaf production follows in December. Though it has sold only 14,000 Leafs in the U.S. since December 2010, the company hasn’t backed off its U.S. sales target of 150,000 Leafs per year. A spokesman says Nissan will start repaying its loan after U.S. production begins.
Tesla: used its $465 million loan to build a battery plant and retool part of a former Toyota-GM factory to build the Model S, its second electric car. So far, only 100 of the cars have been built, well shy of its 2012 goal of 5,000. But the company says it’s on track. Loan repayments start in December. Tesla, which went public in July 2010, hopes to break even by 2013. Fisker: received only $193 million of its $529 million DOE loan because of missed milestones. Its first plug-in hybrid, the $100,000 Karma built in Finland, suffered quality problems. Its next model, the Nina, and a new factory in Delaware, are on hold while the company sorts out its problems and seeks alternative funding sources.

Vehicle Production Group: used a $50 million DOE loan to add a compressed natural gas version of its MV-1 handicapped accessible van. So far, 300 of the 2,100 vans produced at a plant in Indiana run on CNG. As fleet sales rise, the start-up company expects at least half to be natural gas vehicles. VPG began repaying its loan late last year.
Johnson Controls: the leading lead-acid battery maker for autos used a $300 million DOE grant to build an advanced-battery cell plant in Michigan, and is shifting work here from Europe. It predicted slow acceptance of EVs, and is instead supplying batteries for other fuel-saving technologies, like microhybrids, which shut down when the vehicle stops. The plan was for 680 jobs at full capacity. Today, it has fewer than 100.

there more...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmu...payers-money-the-answer-might-surprise-you/2/
 
You're talking about peanuts. Did you miss the whole "saving the auto industry = trillions to the US economy" thing?

Man, it's weird how you'd sacrifice millions of jobs just for partisan hackery's sake.
 
You're not very good at math, either. A huge part of that $ was paid back, and in the long run, keeping that industry domestic = trillions for the American economy & all of the jobs associated w/ the auto industry.

Glad you're not making any decisions. Saving the auto industry came cheap.

Michigan voters didn't blame Obama for saving the auto industry, huh!
 
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