Alabama Upholds Segregation

WinterBorn said:
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Alabama segregation was only ended by sending in federal troops, wasn't it?


Just like Alabama slavery was ended the same way.
 
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Alabama segregation was only ended by sending in federal troops, wasn't it?


Just like Alabama slavery was ended the same way.
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So your answer to my question would be a 'No'?

But I'll humor you. Yes, federal troops were sent in. Funny thing though, when I posted a link about white violence against blacks, your comment was "Nothing more recent than the '90s?". And here you are wanting to discuss events that happened in th '60s. lol

Anything more current? Perhaps something from this century? Are there still federal troops in Alabama enforcing desegregation?
 
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If Alabama racists didn't fear another federal beat-down, would segregation still be codified in the Heart of Dixie?
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Any evidence that anyone in Alabama fears the federal gov't?

Or perhaps, since the segregation issue has been dealt with, whatever extra baggage came with the bill to amend the state constitution was seen as a deal breaker? Or people didn't see the need to add yet another amendment to one of the largest constitutional documents in the world?

But I guess, if you are going to use stereotypes as a basis for your beliefs & arguments, you will see it as racism, regardless of the actual facts.
 
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If the threat of sending in federal troops again wasn't a deterrent to the racists of Alabama, would they re-impose segregation?
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Since you are asking bogus questions, I see no reason to answer. Your question supposes that racists in Alabama would have the authority to re-impose segregation.
 
WinterBorn said:
So your answer to my question would be a 'No'?

But I'll humor you. Yes, federal troops were sent in. Funny thing though, when I posted a link about white violence against blacks, your comment was "Nothing more recent than the '90s?". And here you are wanting to discuss events that happened in th '60s. lol

Anything more current? Perhaps something from this century? Are there still federal troops in Alabama enforcing desegregation?
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Well, we still have troops stationed there. I can't think of any reason why the state is worth defending, so they might as well be enforcing desegregation, still...
 
Fluttershy said:
LOL, they oppose it because of the section that spelled out that it created no right to education. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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They just left part of the original language from Amendment 111 (I think that was the number) that was designed to thwart desegregation.
 
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Dixie said:
Again for the slow-minded: The republican governor refused to sign a budget that would have put the state in the red, and after a statewide referendum to raise taxes failed, they concocted a "plan" to offset the education budget with a massive school tax. The problem is, a statewide school tax is unconstitutional in Alabama because the state constitution maintains public education is not a constitutional right. The actual part of the state constitution which stipulates this, does it using segregationist-era language. The Democrats attempted to remove this language, as well as the constraint on constitutionality of a school tax, under the false pretense it was about the segregationist language, which about 70% of the state saw through and rejected. In 2012, the Republicans, now in control of the state legislature, introduced the very same bill, with a reaffirmation of the non-constitutional right to education, prohibiting the state from adopting a statewide school tax. The primary forces AGAINST the measure, were http://www.secularal.org/ along with the same people who supported the Amendment in 2004.

Same bill, same segregationist language, the only difference in 2004 and 2012 is the constitutionality of public education. This has absolutely nothing to do with whether children need to be educated, it's about the power of the state to levy school taxes to pay for something the constitution allows them to pay for. Kids have no problem being educated in Alabama, we have truancy laws requiring kids to attend school until age 16. Parents can be put in jail for not complying, so this has absolutely ZERO to do with education.
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It's no wonder Alabama is considered the most corrupt state in the nation. It's long tradition of racism, bigotry, and payola make Jesus weep. From convicted governors to racist governors to corrupt leaders of the state supreme court (Sue Bell), to state attorney's banning sex toys but diddling male college students (Troy boy King) to governmental payoffs from the Mafia...

the list goes on.


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If Alabama racists didn't fear another federal beat-down, would segregation still be codified in the Heart of Dixie?
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I don't think Dixie has a heart.
 
Dixie said:
Again for the slow-minded: The republican governor refused to sign a budget that would have put the state in the red, and after a statewide referendum to raise taxes failed, they concocted a "plan" to offset the education budget with a massive school tax. The problem is, a statewide school tax is unconstitutional in Alabama because the state constitution maintains public education is not a constitutional right. The actual part of the state constitution which stipulates this, does it using segregationist-era language. The Democrats attempted to remove this language, as well as the constraint on constitutionality of a school tax, under the false pretense it was about the segregationist language, which about 70% of the state saw through and rejected. In 2012, the Republicans, now in control of the state legislature, introduced the very same bill, with a reaffirmation of the non-constitutional right to education, prohibiting the state from adopting a statewide school tax. The primary forces AGAINST the measure, were http://www.secularal.org/ along with the same people who supported the Amendment in 2004.

Same bill, same segregationist language, the only difference in 2004 and 2012 is the constitutionality of public education. This has absolutely nothing to do with whether children need to be educated, it's about the power of the state to levy school taxes to pay for something the constitution allows them to pay for. Kids have no problem being educated in Alabama, we have truancy laws requiring kids to attend school until age 16. Parents can be put in jail for not complying, so this has absolutely ZERO to do with education.
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This is nothing but dishonest propaganda. The fact that the Alabama constitution explicitly states that there is no constitutional right to an education would not stop them from being able to pass a statewide school tax. Nothing in the 2004 amendment would have granted anyone a right to an education.

You oppose both the 2004 and 2012 amendment based on some retarded argument that deleting text from the overly long consitution would make it more complicated.

You are simply hiding behind these bullshit arguments to uphold your legacy of hate and because you hope to reinstate segregation once the Federal courts are packed with advocates of "States' rights."

You are a lying and racist sack of shit.
 
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WinterBorn said:
While everyone is getting all worked upabout what was done in Alabama, has anyone found segregation in Alabama?

Are the schools segregated? Are the businesses allowed to discriminate based on race? Are there still segregated lunch counters?

The answers to those questions are all "No". So the isue here is what?
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Exactly what water said, maintaining a proud heritage in symbols of racism.
 
WinterBorn said:
Any evidence that anyone in Alabama fears the federal gov't?

Or perhaps, since the segregation issue has been dealt with, whatever extra baggage came with the bill to amend the state constitution was seen as a deal breaker? Or people didn't see the need to add yet another amendment to one of the largest constitutional documents in the world?

But I guess, if you are going to use stereotypes as a basis for your beliefs & arguments, you will see it as racism, regardless of the actual facts.
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BULLSHIT! They passed every other amendment. This one deleted text. There was no additions. The difference between this one and the 2004 amendment is that the 2004 amendment deleted more text.

Why are you just making excuses and ignoring the facts?
 
btw - If y'all think segregation doesn't exist in Alabama today, you're sadly mistaken.

Anyone know what a seg school is?
 
TheRocketSurgeon said:
This is nothing but dishonest propaganda. The fact that the Alabama constitution explicitly states that there is no constitutional right to an education would not stop them from being able to pass a statewide school tax. Nothing in the 2004 amendment would have granted anyone a right to an education.

You oppose both the 2004 and 2012 amendment based on some retarded argument that deleting text from the overly long consitution would make it more complicated.

You are simply hiding behind these bullshit arguments to uphold your legacy of hate and because you hope to reinstate segregation once the Federal courts are packed with advocates of "States' rights."

You are a lying and racist sack of shit.
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LMFAO... Well if that is the case, why couldn't Alabama just wait until courts are full of states rights advocates and then put the language back in? Oh that's right...that thing Congress passed back in 1964, which outlaws segregation!

The link you posted earlier, has a link to the site of the main opposition to the bill. They are the Secular Coalition for Alabama, a group of Atheists, Agnostics, and Humanists. (LIKE YOU, STRINGY!) They say explicitly, they opposed the amendment because it wouldn't give children the constitutional right to an education. In 2004, other people opposed the same basic Amendment because it DID give children the constitutional right to an education. The establishment of constitutionality is vitally important because this is what gives the state legislature the constitutional authority to levy a school tax. I don't care how much you want to stomp your feet and insist this isn't the case, Stringy. This is how governments work, this is what constitutions are for. Even your very own link supports what I have said.

I have no reason to lie, I have no dog in the hunt here. I voted against the amendment in 2004 and 2012, as I vote against ALL amendments to the Alabama state constitution. I want Alabama to hold a constitutional convention and rewrite the whole thing, at which time, I will oppose any segregationist language and will not ratify a new constitution that contains it. I'm not real worried that will be a problem. In summary, we have the stated opposition of the Alabama secularists, atheists, agnostics and humanists, in the link you provided, directly contradicting your argument, we have my enlightening history behind this amendment, and the story behind the story, and we have you and your bigoted opinion which you simply can't support. Out of all other options, your only course of action now, is to throw out insults and hate-filled rants about me personally, and the people of Alabama who you are obviously prejudiced against because of geographic location. Now, Stringbean, I would love to continue this conversation, but I simply do not argue with intolerant bigots.
 
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