Labor unions prevent nonunion power workers from helping in NJ.

Mott the Hoople said:
I agree.

I've never wanted to work in a collective bargaining unit myself and I'm not niave to the flaws of unions but it pisses me off when I hear assholes who know nothing about labor unions demonizing them. I have too many family members who do damned good work, mostly skilled work, and it pisses me off to hear them attacked by political extremists because they belong to labor unions.
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"With all their faults, trade unions have done more for humanity than any other organization of men that ever existed"
Clarence Darrow
 
Labor unions prevent non union workers from helping

Since the other thread was shut...

Note Winter: if you don't like the manner in which it is being discussed, you can simply decide to stop posting in it.

Mutt... I was in the Teamsters in KC for three years. Nothing in my posts stated any of the nonsense you posted. I will point out thuggery if it is present. That doesn't mean that I don't think union workers shouldn't be able to negotiate as you claimed.
 
I guess people love the direction of the thread... Sorry, Winterborn but you can blame it on me.. They want to keep arguing it out.
 
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It would help their bargaining position if they worked as hard as their counterparts...
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Who hires workers? the union or the company?

answer: the company

So if the company hires a lazy or unqualified person, the union can only protect his job for so long, then he's fired.

Obviously you've never been in a union. Or you are the lazy one.

I think your impressions about unions are not from personal experience but from what you've been told to believe.
 
Damocles said:
I guess people love the direction of the thread... Sorry, Winterborn but you can blame it on me.. They want to keep arguing it out.
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I'm sorry Damo it's not that people love the direction of the thread, it's that it's just a freaking thread that people were strongly debating on. I don't think that putting up a thread gives you the power to control how others respond. I don't even know what it's doing in the war zone. Come on. What the hell happened in here to justify this being a war zone thread? It's bullshit. Not on your part but WB needs to stop being so oversensitive. I know 6 yo girls who are tougher.
 
Unless...Sf Pm'd Winter begging for his help to cover up the skewering he took. Probably bowing and scraping and sniveling, and WB gave in.

I mean, that would make sense.

Otherwise...not really.
 
Damocles said:
There were a great many people upset at the Red Cross in NYC on the news last night (where I saw the story about the dudes dumpster diving for food).

Seriously, there isn't enough help getting to you if this is something that is happening to very many people.
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Fox news?
 
Darla said:
I'm sorry Damo it's not that people love the direction of the thread, it's that it's just a freaking thread that people were strongly debating on. I don't think that putting up a thread gives you the power to control how others respond. I don't even know what it's doing in the war zone. Come on. What the hell happened in here to justify this being a war zone thread? It's bullshit. Not on your part but WB needs to stop being so oversensitive. I know 6 yo girls who are tougher.
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Yea...he's not New Yawka tough! ;)
 
Darla said:
It's like a sickness. I have had family members who made good lives thanks to being in a Union, though they are gone now. But I full support Unions and would never cross a picket line, period. I don't get their whole outlook, but then, what else is new?
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I agree. I don't get union workers complete outlook either but than again, I don't work for a collective bargaining unit. My point is unions are like any other human organization in that they have flaws. Most notably some are quite corrupt and they often promote mediocrity but on the whole they've done a hell of a lot more good for this nation than harm and I don't like to see them demonized via hit pieces, like the WAFF article, that has a political agenda.
 
Superfreak said:
Since the other thread was shut...

Note Winter: if you don't like the manner in which it is being discussed, you can simply decide to stop posting in it.

Mutt... I was in the Teamsters in KC for three years. Nothing in my posts stated any of the nonsense you posted. I will point out thuggery if it is present. That doesn't mean that I don't think union workers shouldn't be able to negotiate as you claimed.
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Well that explains a lot about you Tinkerbell. God knows you can't believe a damned thing you Teamsters say! :p
 
Mott the Hoople said:
It's the other way around scab. What business is it of yours what others have negotiated for the terms and conditions of their employement?
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Union employees don't negotiate, they have their union bosses do it for them. Because they lack the balls to do it on their own.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Well that explains a lot about you Tinkerbell. God knows you can't believe a damned thing you Teamsters say! :p
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I tell you... nicest bunch of guys in the world to work with to sit and watch sports with etc... but the leadership... permanent impact on my view of leadership in unions... bunch of overpaid corrupt pieces of shit. I admit... I did indeed hate those fuckers... which does tarnish my continued view of union leadership. Some of the guys I worked with had a little of the thuggish attitude, but most did not. The ones that did were predominantly suck ups looking for the cushy leadership jobs.
 
Superfreak said:
Since the other thread was shut...

Note Winter: if you don't like the manner in which it is being discussed, you can simply decide to stop posting in it.

Mutt... I was in the Teamsters in KC for three years. Nothing in my posts stated any of the nonsense you posted. I will point out thuggery if it is present. That doesn't mean that I don't think union workers shouldn't be able to negotiate as you claimed.
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But seriously then, we probably agree more about unions than we disagree over I've seen the good and the bad of unions and I'm well aware of what their flaws are, which is why I'd prefer not to belong to one, but on the whole, I see them doing significantly more good than harm and I also believe that collective bargaining rights are a fundamental human right.
 
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It would help their bargaining position if they worked as hard as their counterparts...
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I know lots of union workers who work very hard and are valuable employees!. There is dead wood in union and non union labor, just like the military!
 
Mott the Hoople said:
But seriously then, we probably agree more about unions than we disagree over I've seen the good and the bad of unions and I'm well aware of what their flaws are, which is why I'd prefer not to belong to one, but on the whole, I see them doing significantly more good than harm and I also believe that collective bargaining rights are a fundamental human right.
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I imagine we do. Like any group, power corrupts. It is the leadership I tend to have a problem with. Though some unions are far worse than others when it comes to membership. The bargaining rights are there for everyone. Worker laws are not what they were when unions were created. I think there is a need for unions within the private sector. I do not think it is right for a public sector employee (which is where you and I will disagree). If the public sector workers want unions, then they should have to negotiate directly with the public via referendum when it comes to benefit increases or wage increases that go beyond the COLA.

Being able to raise money via union dues to pay to public officials that the unions are 'negotiating' with creates too much conflict of interest.
 
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