Music as a Political Weapon?

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Those of you who don't know about this can Google it, but apparently there is a flap over Paul Ryan's comments that his favorite band is Rage Against The Machine. Now, Rage sings of anarchy and bringing down 'the machine' or the governmental authority in general. Odd that Ryan would like this kind of message, but that is his preference in music. But now, the liberals are all in a tizzy over this, because apparently, you are forbidden from enjoying music unless you agree with the message of the artist! Or at the very least, you are a hypocrite, because you don't believe the same thing as the artist. I think this is one of the most sad chapters in American political history. To use music as a political weapon.

I am a conservative, a staunch red-state Ronald Reagan conservative. My viewpoints on fiscal policy are very conservative, and my viewpoints on social issues tends to lean more libertarian, but still considered conservative by most. I guess I should only be allowed to listen to Ted Nugent, Lee Greenwood and Ray Stevens? We should pass a law forbidding me to hear the Dixie Chicks or Greenday, because I don't agree with them politically. In fact, all music should be confined to only the people who appreciate the message itself, and no one else should be allowed to enjoy this music, without being publicly condemned as hypocrites. At least, that seems to be the 'message' I am hearing.

Even though I am devoutly right-wing, I have always been a HUGE fan of Bob Dylan, and I will remain a fan of his music until I die. Bob has certainly penned some mighty anti-establishment liberal anthems, and a lot of times, I have completely disagreed with the liberal interpretations of his work. Sometimes, I even get a completely different interpretation of what he is saying... that is the Beauty of Bob! What he is saying doesn't have to MEAN any particular thing or support any particular political view, it can be very universal in meaning, if you have the openness of mind to realize this. The thing is, Liberals tend to be the most closed-minded people on the planet... that is amazingly strange, but true.
 
Dixie said:
Those of you who don't know about this can Google it, but apparently there is a flap over Paul Ryan's comments that his favorite band is Rage Against The Machine. Now, Rage sings of anarchy and bringing down 'the machine' or the governmental authority in general. Odd that Ryan would like this kind of message, but that is his preference in music. But now, the liberals are all in a tizzy over this, because apparently, you are forbidden from enjoying music unless you agree with the message of the artist!
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Aren't you? Go ahead, serve two masters. Puppet.

Dixie said:
I am a conservative, a staunch red-state Ronald Reagan conservative. My viewpoints on fiscal policy are very conservative, and my viewpoints on social issues tends to lean more libertarian, but still considered conservative by most. I guess I should only be allowed to listen to Ted Nugent, Lee Greenwood and Ray Stevens?
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I don't think you can handle Ray Stevens.

Dixie said:
We should pass a law forbidding me to hear the Dixie Chicks or Greenday, because I don't agree with them politically. In fact, all music should be confined to only the people who appreciate the message itself, and no one else should be allowed to enjoy this music, without being publicly condemned as hypocrites. At least, that seems to be the 'message' I am hearing.

Even though I am devoutly right-wing, I have always been a HUGE fan of Bob Dylan, and I will remain a fan of his music until I die. Bob has certainly penned some mighty anti-establishment liberal anthems, and a lot of times, I have completely disagreed with the liberal interpretations of his work. Sometimes, I even get a completely different interpretation of what he is saying... that is the Beauty of Bob! What he is saying doesn't have to MEAN any particular thing or support any particular political view, it can be very universal in meaning, if you have the openness of mind to realize this. The thing is, Liberals tend to be the most closed-minded people on the planet... that is amazingly strange, but true.
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Dance for em Dixie. Go ahead.
 
From the Philosophy of Bob:

Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.

 
You are a damn good jester Dixie. I bet you could make money off of it too. But then you probably lose it and get mad at the audience for being more clever than you. But keep entertaining us, please.
 
Dixie said:
From the Philosophy of Bob:

Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.

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You don't understand Bob. Bob is sorrowful. He is not overly sarcastic. He is saddened like me by your stupidity. But you made him rich with it. He apparently has found a way not to feel too guilty about it. So no bullet passed through Bob's head. Kurt loved you too, moron.
 
RedString said:
You don't understand Bob. Bob is sorrowful. He is not overly sarcastic. He is saddened like me by your stupidity. But you made him rich with it. He apparently has found a way not to feel too guilty about it. So no bullet passed through Bob's head. Kurt loved you too, moron.
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Bob is NOT sorrowful, Bob is optimistic. He is not sarcastic, he is prophetic. He is nothing like you, he is the antithesis of you. His words are words of wisdom to extremists like you, who seek to use music as a weapon, who seek to stand in the way or divide people, to not heed their call for change. He brilliantly points out, that today's winners are tomorrows losers, and vice-versa. He warns you to be careful about picking sides and declaring victories, because times change. People change.

Liberal pinheads are incapable of grasping the depth of Bob's message, presuming him to be making some liberal statement about the liberal fight against the establishment, but that is a shallow misinterpretation, because liberal pinheads are shallow-minded idiots. If we are going to ban people from listening to music on the basis of not understanding the message, perhaps we should start by forbidding liberals to listen to Bob Dylan?
 
Dixie said:
Bob is NOT sorrowful, Bob is optimistic. He is not sarcastic, he is prophetic. He is nothing like you, he is the antithesis of you. His words are words of wisdom to extremists like you, who seek to use music as a weapon, who seek to stand in the way or divide people, to not heed their call for change. He brilliantly points out, that today's winners are tomorrows losers, and vice-versa. He warns you to be careful about picking sides and declaring victories, because times change. People change.

Liberal pinheads are incapable of grasping the depth of Bob's message, presuming him to be making some liberal statement about the liberal fight against the establishment, but that is a shallow misinterpretation, because liberal pinheads are shallow-minded idiots. If we are going to ban people from listening to music on the basis of not understanding the message, perhaps we should start by forbidding liberals to listen to Bob Dylan?
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Okay, Dixie. Bob is sorrowful, FOR YOU. Do you understand that? He can laugh it off. He knows you do not. He is optimistic for himself. Apparenlty, he has some hope that you or your children will some day stop making yourselves into puppets. He won't make himself into a martyr (another puppet), like Kurt and Heath did. He is not claiming to be Christ and he apparently does not believe that your life is worth his.
 
I am not heeding Bob's call for change? Haha. I have been racing around this track hoping that the world would change. I have done more than most of you to be an agent of change. But, I don't need to save you. I never did. You go dance. I know now how to live off the admission fees, but I can't be a puppet master either. So I will be of service to those who serve me and mine only. If you can't help mine, because of some stupid creed, skin color, economic level, whatever, then fuck yours.

You guys probably think I have gotten mad at the machine. The machine keeps my belly full and always will. I just understand how to game it now.
 
I have never been a troll. But you go ahead and create another hobgoblin if you feel the need to be scared of me. That's how you protect yourself from the darkness that you don't understand. Bark at it dog. Everything I say is completely sincere, even the jokes.
 
So I will be of service to those who serve me and mine only
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Hmmm... doesn't this sound an awful lot like the definition of one who is "GREEDY?"

I thought combating "GREED" was the principle foundation and basis of your argumentative existence?

Hoist on your own petard. Yet again!
 
I'm really surprised Dix would pick this particular Dylan song because it's all about change, Change is even in the title. 'Conservatives' have never been about change. Especially in the 60's with the civil rights movement, women's movement, the anti-war movement and all the other changes happening at the time that 'conservatives' were and still are against.

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall

... Doesn't this mean don't try to stop the change that's coming? The obstructionist congress we have today should maybe take heed to the next few lines...

For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'

Dix can imagine that these words express a 'conservative' meaning but that meaning only exists in Limbaugh's twisted corporate sponsored world. Not in reality.
 
Dixie said:
Hmmm... doesn't this sound an awful lot like the definition of one who is "GREEDY?"
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Not really. I love my momma more than I love yours. Did you ever think otherwise? You want what I can give anyway. Everybody wants to get rid of the darkness. It's not evil. It's stupidity.

Dixie said:
I thought combating "GREED" was the principle foundation and basis of your argumentative existence?
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No, Ayn Rand fan (she has it VERY wrong and I had to sleigh her Gods too). Libertarian. Remember?

Dixie said:
Hoist on your own petard. Yet again!
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You don't have the weight to even move me anymore Dixie. You have stayed dumb. It is in your code. It is your first principle. Knowledge is sin. You never checked your code and so you don't know your program.
 
You are way too chicken shit to admit a mistake Dixie. How are you going to ever correct anything? Another line of my code is the baseball player. Put that error up on the board. Practice your mechanics. Its all code. It is all programming. Train, train and retrain.
 
Dixie said:
Those of you who don't know about this can Google it, but apparently there is a flap over Paul Ryan's comments that his favorite band is Rage Against The Machine. Now, Rage sings of anarchy and bringing down 'the machine' or the governmental authority in general. Odd that Ryan would like this kind of message, but that is his preference in music. But now, the liberals are all in a tizzy over this, because apparently, you are forbidden from enjoying music unless you agree with the message of the artist! Or at the very least, you are a hypocrite, because you don't believe the same thing as the artist. I think this is one of the most sad chapters in American political history. To use music as a political weapon.

I am a conservative, a staunch red-state Ronald Reagan conservative. My viewpoints on fiscal policy are very conservative, and my viewpoints on social issues tends to lean more libertarian, but still considered conservative by most. I guess I should only be allowed to listen to Ted Nugent, Lee Greenwood and Ray Stevens? We should pass a law forbidding me to hear the Dixie Chicks or Greenday, because I don't agree with them politically. In fact, all music should be confined to only the people who appreciate the message itself, and no one else should be allowed to enjoy this music, without being publicly condemned as hypocrites. At least, that seems to be the 'message' I am hearing.

Even though I am devoutly right-wing, I have always been a HUGE fan of Bob Dylan, and I will remain a fan of his music until I die. Bob has certainly penned some mighty anti-establishment liberal anthems, and a lot of times, I have completely disagreed with the liberal interpretations of his work. Sometimes, I even get a completely different interpretation of what he is saying... that is the Beauty of Bob! What he is saying doesn't have to MEAN any particular thing or support any particular political view, it can be very universal in meaning, if you have the openness of mind to realize this. The thing is, Liberals tend to be the most closed-minded people on the planet... that is amazingly strange, but true.
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It's called "egg on face."

You're free to like whatever music you want .. and those who make that music are free to reject your politics and everything you represent.

Egg on face.
 
blackascoal said:
It's called "egg on face."

You're free to like whatever music you want .. and those who make that music are free to reject your politics and everything you represent.

Egg on face.
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Well smother me in eggs then, I guess.

One of my favorite songs is "I'm not ready to make nice" by the Dixie Chicks. It is a vehement statement to the criticism Natalie Maines received after her Anti-Bush rant abroad. The message is very clear and strong, and the song is full of strong passion and feeling and deep emotion. That's the part of the song I appreciate as a connoisseur of music. The artistic passion and expression of their feelings and emotions at that moment, in that delivery. This has so little to do with the message itself, and more to do with conviction of spirit, and appreciation of that in the artistry other human beings. I don't have to agree with Natalie Maines point, I can even take her point to be my own point... I'm not ready to make nice either, Nats! I'm not going to back down either! I can have a completely opposite emotion from the art than the artist intended, but that is what art is supposed to do. It inspires and stirs passion and emotion. That is what makes it ART!
 
Dixie said:
Well smother me in eggs then, I guess.

One of my favorite songs is "I'm not ready to make nice" by the Dixie Chicks. It is a vehement statement to the criticism Natalie Maines received after her Anti-Bush rant abroad. The message is very clear and strong, and the song is full of strong passion and feeling and deep emotion. That's the part of the song I appreciate as a connoisseur of music. The artistic passion and expression of their feelings and emotions at that moment, in that delivery. This has so little to do with the message itself, and more to do with conviction of spirit, and appreciation of that in the artistry other human beings. I don't have to agree with Natalie Maines point, I can even take her point to be my own point... I'm not ready to make nice either, Nats! I'm not going to back down either! I can have a completely opposite emotion from the art than the artist intended, but that is what art is supposed to do. It inspires and stirs passion and emotion. That is what makes it ART!
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:0) we agree brother
 
Dixie said:
Well smother me in eggs then, I guess.

One of my favorite songs is "I'm not ready to make nice" by the Dixie Chicks. It is a vehement statement to the criticism Natalie Maines received after her Anti-Bush rant abroad. The message is very clear and strong, and the song is full of strong passion and feeling and deep emotion. That's the part of the song I appreciate as a connoisseur of music. The artistic passion and expression of their feelings and emotions at that moment, in that delivery. This has so little to do with the message itself, and more to do with conviction of spirit, and appreciation of that in the artistry other human beings. I don't have to agree with Natalie Maines point, I can even take her point to be my own point... I'm not ready to make nice either, Nats! I'm not going to back down either! I can have a completely opposite emotion from the art than the artist intended, but that is what art is supposed to do. It inspires and stirs passion and emotion. That is what makes it ART!
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You love her evil spirit?

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils in America/Rock-n-Roll/dixie_chicks.htm

He pushed me round
Now I'm drawin' the line
He lived his life
Now I'm gonna go live mine
I'm sick on wastin' my time
Well now I've been good for way too long
Found my red dress and I'm gonna throw it on
I've got nothin' to lose and nothin' to gain
bout to get too far gone

Praise the lord and pass the ammunition
Need a little but more of my twelve ounce nutrition
One more helpin' of what I've been havin'
I'm takin' my turn on the sin wagon

On a mission to make something happen
Feel like Delilah lookin for Samson
Do a little mattress dancin
That's right I said mattress dancin

Praise the lord and pass the ammunition
Need a little bit more
Of what I've been missin'
I don't know where Ill be crashin'
But I'm arrivin' on a sin wagon

When its my turn to march up to old glory
I'm gonna have one hell of a story
That's if he forgives me

Praise the lord and pass the ammunition
Need a little bit more of that sweet salvation
They may take me
With my feel draggin'
But Ill fly away on a sin wagon

Ill fly away on a sin wagon
 
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