Admit it Dems: Ryan scares the shit out of you

Who confirmed it for you? Cite, please. Otherwise, admit that you're deliberately lying and asking to be sued for libel.

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I'm pretty sure that you haven't been identified and the comment definetly hasn't caused any injury to your reputation.
 
We don't hear occasional stories, we hear endless stories. There are studies which show, women who have abortions are much more likely to commit suicide, suffer depression, become abusive of alcohol and drugs, cheat on spouses and have unstable relationships, etc., etc., etc. It has literally destroyed women's lives, they are never the same again. Because it was perfectly legal, and quick, and they had tremendous peer pressure, they did it... thinking everything would be fine. But you can't undo abortion, it is done and you must live with it. Every time you hear a baby cry, you think of your baby... every time you hear kids laughing, you think of your child. You have dreams at night about your child, and the more it torments you, the more people around you tell you to get over it and move on.

Now my personal view on abortion is more moderate than some, I am alright with keeping the medical procedure legal and obtainable by anyone, given some basic criteria that need to be met first. We can't have abortion become a substitute for birth control, so we need to limit the number of abortions an individual can have before they must have some kind of procedure to ensure against future pregnancy. Next, we can't permit abortions after a certain period of time, like the first trimester, because it is cruel and inhumane to the unborn human life. But beyond these two boundaries, we can allow people to obtain an abortion after they first submit to counseling, where they can be informed of how this decision might effect them. If they still chose to do so, then they can get the abortion.

Women need to know, if they have any doubts as to whether they'll be able to live with this, they need to chose another alternative. I am speaking as a man, but as a man who loved a woman who couldn't live with what she did. Had she known how it would effect her, I am certain she wouldn't have done it. This is what changed my mind about abortion on demand. Prior to this, I had a very 'libertarian' view, to each his own. But I realized we have to stop the madness. It's far too easy to get abortions in this country, at any stage up until practically birth. No counseling, no waiting, just wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am. Have a nice rest of your depressed life! --Here's a tranq and a shot of vodka, get over it and move on!

But you people don't give a shit, you don't care about life, not even the lives of the women you destroy who you claim to be standing up for. You're low-life degenerate pond scum, who couldn't care less about others, you are caught up in your own little fantasy world, where you can make up bullshit stories about 'friends' who thanked you for helping them see 'reality' by your grandiose explanation of how they are in heaven smiling down in admiration... you fucking make me want to hurl, to be honest.

So what is life to you, Dix? The deep meaning? Do you believe in a higher power? What makes life "special" to you? If you follow the typical Repub philosophy that everyone is on their own and they are responsible for what they make of their lives why would you want to bring a child into the world knowing it will have a tougher time than most? Do you like to see people struggle?

If you don't believe in a higher power/soul then we're just....well, what are we? Are we things that come into being, live our lives, then die, as in "the end". In that case what difference does it make whether one is born or not? On the other hand if you do believe we're some kind of spirit or soul, separate from body, then what difference does it make if a "body" is eliminated by abortion? One could say that bodies are like buses, another one will be coming along shortly.

So what is behind your aversion to abortion? Is your opposition driven by some spiritual or esoteric knowledge or is it just a preference to stick your nose a few inches from a woman's ass, not that there is anything wrong with that, per sé. :)

As for women going through depression after abortion is it any wonder in a world where some folks refer to a clump of cells as a human being and refer to abortion as murder? You don't really know much about history and the role culture plays, do you? You have no understanding how society's "norms/attitudes" affect some people's mental well being, do you? Obviously your friend needed counselling.

And as for thinking about smiling souls in Heaven and wanting to hurl I get the same reaction thinking about people trying to influence others into believing a clump of cells is a human being. People who insist abortion is murder but on the other hand quite acceptable murder depending on how it came into existence. Incest? Definitely go with murder. Rape? Murder the little bastard. Genetic deformities? Nooooo. Let's demand those cells develop and bring a child into the world so we can all watch while it slowly degenerates losing both motor and mental function until it succumbs to it's illness after five years of unimaginable suffering. That, in a nut shell, is the morality of anti-abortionists. No wonder some women become depressed considering the sick society in which we live.
 
So what is behind your aversion to abortion?

I think I explained it very concisely. My objection is the way we've made it so easy to do, without waiting, without counseling, and at any time, on-demand, up until point of birth. Not only do I think it is an abhorrent way to end human life, it also doesn't consider the mental well-being of the person who gets the abortion. I stated very clearly, and in no uncertain terms, that I don't mind abortion remaining a legal medical procedure. I merely seek boundaries and limitations to the practice.

As for women going through depression after abortion is it any wonder in a world where some folks refer to a clump of cells as a human being and refer to abortion as murder? You don't really know much about history and the role culture plays, do you? You have no understanding how society's "norms/attitudes" affect some people's mental well being, do you? Obviously your friend needed counselling.

My friend had plenty of counseling. Her family and friends were devoutly liberal and believed abortion was no big deal, that's what they told her when they encouraged her to have one. Afterwards, the same people told her to "get over it and move on" but she couldn't. It was not a matter of what people around her were saying, they all believed like you, that abortion was no biggie. I know a LOT about history and culture, and I blame the culture of liberalism for her death. I blame the people who encouraged her to have an abortion, and then told her to "get over it and move on" when she couldn't live with what she had done.

trying to influence others into believing a clump of cells is a human being.

Biological fact states that once the sperm and egg have successfully carried on the process of fertilization, a unique organism is produced. It stops being a "clump of cells" and starts being a unique living human organism. There is no "belief" or "influence" it's just a fact of life. What's sick is to deny this fact and continue influencing people to kill their babies, which they can't ultimately live with themselves for doing... but you don't really give a shit.
 
Who confirmed it for you? Cite, please. Otherwise, admit that you're deliberately lying and asking to be sued for libel.


:rofl2: Sued for libel...:rofl2: Oh my goodness, you are coming unhinged....:rofl2: Now this is what a meltdown looks like everyone...pay close attention to the mentally unstable Bijou....

You need your meds girl....
 
Dear Tommy... do try to keep up... I deliberately did NOT include the link when I first posted. I wanted to see how bad the left would flip out before saying it was from the onion. The URL would have given it away rather quickly. As it was, you pointed it out right away, so I went back and linked it up. I hope you are able to comprehend this. Try not to flip out like the left wing nuts here have been doing.

Ok, I accept your explanation sorry to spoil your fun, Freaky.
 
Adoption may work reasonably well today due to the few children, relatively speaking, that are available. I suggest you do a little research if you want to know what adoption and adoption agencies (basically government/religious institutions) were like before abortion was legal. If you think molestations occur in churches and "organizations" like Penn State, places that deal with children, try to imagine the abuse and neglect that happened in institutions to children who didn't have any family to look out for them.

Actually, you don't have to imagine. I'm sure Google will give you all the info you need. There have been documentaries on those "homes" where the "little bastards" were sent. After all, many were run by religious institutions and considering the children were a product of an "unholy" union what would one expect? If we're all born in sin as the "people of the cloth" tell us then those children were "sin X 2.

What I find most peculiar is many of the people who place confidence in the government looking after the adoptees should abortion be outlawed and the government would have to be involved due to the numbers (over one million abortions yearly/one million new adoptees) are the ones who don't trust government. I wonder how those folks reconcile that. On the other hand considering the lack of help today offered to poor/single moms and babies I suppose the same approach would be taken. Tough sh!t.

Ah, so adoption agencies are stuck in the times of "Oliver"? either that or you'll demonize institutions like Catholic Charities because of their horrible recent past involving individual Priests in the Church...Meanwhile millions of babies are murdered yearly here in the US.

Your story above was touching, but it was just that, anecdotal, and not indicative of what every woman thinks or what would work on any other woman in that situation. I still hold that the time to exercise 'birth control' is before the act conceives a child.
 
Adoption may work reasonably well today due to the few children, relatively speaking, that are available. I suggest you do a little research if you want to know what adoption and adoption agencies (basically government/religious institutions) were like before abortion was legal. If you think molestations occur in churches and "organizations" like Penn State, places that deal with children, try to imagine the abuse and neglect that happened in institutions to children who didn't have any family to look out for them.

Actually, you don't have to imagine. I'm sure Google will give you all the info you need. There have been documentaries on those "homes" where the "little bastards" were sent. After all, many were run by religious institutions and considering the children were a product of an "unholy" union what would one expect? If we're all born in sin as the "people of the cloth" tell us then those children were "sin X 2.

What I find most peculiar is many of the people who place confidence in the government looking after the adoptees should abortion be outlawed and the government would have to be involved due to the numbers (over one million abortions yearly/one million new adoptees) are the ones who don't trust government. I wonder how those folks reconcile that. On the other hand considering the lack of help today offered to poor/single moms and babies I suppose the same approach would be taken. Tough sh!t.

apple thinks we're still living in the age of Oliver Twist.....
 
I think I explained it very concisely. My objection is the way we've made it so easy to do, without waiting, without counseling, and at any time, on-demand, up until point of birth. Not only do I think it is an abhorrent way to end human life, it also doesn't consider the mental well-being of the person who gets the abortion. I stated very clearly, and in no uncertain terms, that I don't mind abortion remaining a legal medical procedure. I merely seek boundaries and limitations to the practice.
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I agree, let's keep it legal, but women should be shamed first. Tortured a little too. Let's stick 12' wands inside of them and explain that because they are pregnant if they didn't have an abortion, they'd have a baby. Because here's a little known fact; lots of women go in to have abortions completely unawares that if they don't have one, they'd give birth to a baby. I mean, you should see their faces when they find out. Even though more than half of them are already mothers, they like, have no clue. So let's slap those stupid bitches with some good ole truth.

Preach it!
 
Did I post somewhere that I take medication? Cite, please. Otherwise, admit you're lying.

I took one look at this guy's posts and said, let me put him on ignore now and beat the rush. He's just another right wing piece of shit, don't bother yourself over his unhinged tangents.
 
I think I explained it very concisely. My objection is the way we've made it so easy to do, without waiting, without counseling, and at any time, on-demand, up until point of birth. Not only do I think it is an abhorrent way to end human life, it also doesn't consider the mental well-being of the person who gets the abortion. I stated very clearly, and in no uncertain terms, that I don't mind abortion remaining a legal medical procedure. I merely seek boundaries and limitations to the practice.

What about rape? Do you have any objection to abortion when rape is involved? What about for medical reasons? Would the woman have to be facing a life and death situation or would less damaging injuries qualify for abortion?


Biological fact states that once the sperm and egg have successfully carried on the process of fertilization, a unique organism is produced. It stops being a "clump of cells" and starts being a unique living human organism. There is no "belief" or "influence" it's just a fact of life. What's sick is to deny this fact and continue influencing people to kill their babies, which they can't ultimately live with themselves for doing... but you don't really give a shit.

Did that information cause you to change your mind about abortion? If so, where did you think babies came from? How did you think things started?
 
I agree, let's keep it legal, but women should be shamed first. Tortured a little too. Let's stick 12' wands inside of them and explain that because they are pregnant if they didn't have an abortion, they'd have a baby. Because here's a little known fact; lots of women go in to have abortions completely unawares that if they don't have one, they'd give birth to a baby. I mean, you should see their faces when they find out. Even though more than half of them are already mothers, they like, have no clue. So let's slap those stupid bitches with some good ole truth.

Preach it!

Obsessing about the wanding again, I see!

I don't want women shamed, tortured, or wanded, unless they are like you and into that sort of thing, Darla. ;)

I would like for reasonable and responsible mature adults to have a dialogue about what we can do to end the sick practice of abortion on demand. I am not some Bible-thumping zealot demanding you conform to the Word of God and be denied even birth control, much less abortions. I have stated a very well-reasoned position that considers all factors and concerns. What is unreasonable about requiring some form of counseling before allowing people to end human life? I think that sounds pretty fucking rational, don't you? I never said they should be preached to or lectured, or embarrassed or shamed. But I think every woman who is faced with this decision needs to be aware of the facts and what the consequences might be.

Wouldn't the world be a wonderful place if we could pull people back for a second and counsel them before they act? Think about the shooters in Colorado or DC, or Columbine... What if someone had been able to talk to them beforehand, to make them aware that what they were about to do was serious and they might not like themselves for it in the morning? Of course, we can't do that with irrational nuts, but we can do that with women seeking abortion.
 
Obsessing about the wanding again, I see!

I don't want women shamed, tortured, or wanded, unless they are like you and into that sort of thing, Darla. ;)

I would like for reasonable and responsible mature adults to have a dialogue about what we can do to end the sick practice of abortion on demand. I am not some Bible-thumping zealot demanding you conform to the Word of God and be denied even birth control, much less abortions. I have stated a very well-reasoned position that considers all factors and concerns. What is unreasonable about requiring some form of counseling before allowing people to end human life? I think that sounds pretty fucking rational, don't you? I never said they should be preached to or lectured, or embarrassed or shamed. But I think every woman who is faced with this decision needs to be aware of the facts and what the consequences might be.

Wouldn't the world be a wonderful place if we could pull people back for a second and counsel them before they act? Think about the shooters in Colorado or DC, or Columbine... What if someone had been able to talk to them beforehand, to make them aware that what they were about to do was serious and they might not like themselves for it in the morning? Of course, we can't do that with irrational nuts, but we can do that with women seeking abortion.

The world would be a wonderful place if you people would mind your own business.

Abortion on demand should be legal, safe, and funded.
 
???....does anyone think that what's best for the unborn child is to be dead?.....{anyone besides, apple, that is}........

It's not for *anyone* to concern themselves except for the mother. I know this is too complex for your ilk, but that's the reality. If you evolve someday, you'll understand.
 
Obsessing about the wanding again, I see!

I don't want women shamed, tortured, or wanded, unless they are like you and into that sort of thing, Darla. ;)

I would like for reasonable and responsible mature adults to have a dialogue about what we can do to end the sick practice of abortion on demand. I am not some Bible-thumping zealot demanding you conform to the Word of God and be denied even birth control, much less abortions. I have stated a very well-reasoned position that considers all factors and concerns. What is unreasonable about requiring some form of counseling before allowing people to end human life? I think that sounds pretty fucking rational, don't you? I never said they should be preached to or lectured, or embarrassed or shamed. But I think every woman who is faced with this decision needs to be aware of the facts and what the consequences might be.

Wouldn't the world be a wonderful place if we could pull people back for a second and counsel them before they act? Think about the shooters in Colorado or DC, or Columbine... What if someone had been able to talk to them beforehand, to make them aware that what they were about to do was serious and they might not like themselves for it in the morning? Of course, we can't do that with irrational nuts, but we can do that with women seeking abortion.

What's with the 'we' shit? Are you pregnant? Do you have the ability to become pregnant? The day you can, then YOU can decide whether or not to carry to term and give birth to a baby, or opt for the completely-legal procedure known as abortion.

It's up to the mother and I hate to break it to you, but even if the wingnut zealots prevail and Roe v Wade is overturned, women are still going to seek and obtain them. Because as I've said and will continue to say, even caveman law won't stop women from exercising such dominion over their own bodies.
 
The presumptuous and arrogant superiority-complexed busy-bodies who think they know what's best for others.

Only until the child's born. After that, they want to take away the child's health care, food, home and well-being.

Adoption may work reasonably well today due to the few children, relatively speaking, that are available.

On this issue I have to disagree with you, Apple. There are over four hundred thousand children available to be adopted. Unfortunately, these fine Christian people who oppose abortion only want to adopt white, healthy infants, who are scarce. They don't want the adoptable black infants, or white infants addicted to cocaine or who suffer from AIDS because their parents were irresponsible, nor do they want the hundreds of thousands of young children (black, white, Asian, hispanic) and teenagers rotting away in group foster homes (and yes, conditions have not changed much since Dickens) who are thrown out on the streets when they're 18 by those caring "benefactors" at places like Catholic Charities. And what about the disabled children? Who the hell wants them? Nobody! All of these children are called "unadoptable" and have a far higher risk of ending up in prison and/or receiving government assistance for the remainder of their lives.


the issue highly relevant, because a human life is likely at stake.

Yet you and others don't give a flying fuck about the kids I talk about above. Wow...I wonder how many of them, right before they commit suicide because nobody loves them, thinks "I WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF ABORTED"?



Ok, I accept your explanation sorry to spoil your fun, Freaky.

I cannot believe you fell for that lie...
 
I'd be remiss in reminding some of you of the fact that, in spite of the huge number of children waiting to be adopted, Catholics and many evangelicals oppose adoption by loving gay singles and couples.

What a shame...You'd rather those children rot in group homes without loving parents until they're 18?
 
I'd be remiss in reminding some of you of the fact that, in spite of the huge number of children waiting to be adopted, Catholics and many evangelicals oppose adoption by loving gay singles and couples.

What a shame...You'd rather those children rot in group homes without loving parents until they're 18?

And christ-y nutballs wonder why sane people find their ideals despicable.
 
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