Fatal shooting at Denver screening of The Dark Knight Rises

evince said:
then we give the gun shop owners the right to refuse service to anyone.

Then that person has to shop elsewhere and or prove sanity.


gun shop owners could be given free training in spotting problem people and some kind of compensation for spotting them fro us.
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The shop owners already have that right and are normally acutely aware of what to look for from a gun or ammo purchaser. The unscrupulous ones, however, don't care and will chase that dollar all the way to the morgue if necessary. They are very much a problem in that respect.
 
Gatorman said:
Or even yourself, evince. But law enforcement officials, even rookies and poorly trained, make mental stability decisions all the time. Usually the dead perp is not given a chance to demonstrate his sanity.
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This is a problem today, the lawyers have handcuffed even mental health community so that it is increasingly tough to have someone that should be committed.
 
j-mac said:
Again, terminology matters....Assault rifle is an 'automatic' rifle...Not a semi auto.

Now, in order to buy any weapon, including a .12 gauge shotgun, they must bear a seriel number that is recorded when purchased, as to whom purchased it. That is a form of registration. There are stricter provisions already in place for handguns, and so called assault type weapons. Also, since the AZ shooting that Rep. Giffords was wounded in, there are also restrictions on magazine size....many of the things that are being proposed here are redundant in some form or another....That's the problem.

One of the biggest things that could help in controlling, and ensuring that weapons don't get into the wrong hands, would be a standardized CWP across states.
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Gun shows and person to person sales have no such restrictions in most places. Even those that do require better record keeping in these events it is rarely enforced.
 
Every gun (besides antiques) I have ever bought at a gun show had to go through the registration process. Individual sales....no.
 
Gatorman said:
Gun shows and person to person sales have no such restrictions in most places. Even those that do require better record keeping in these events it is rarely enforced.
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The problem with regulations on sales between private citizens is that we would have to allow private citizens access to the NCIC system. I'm not sure that is going to happen.
 
WinterBorn said:
Denying who? The shooter at the theater? I don't know. Did he display any signs of mental illness?
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That is what I thought you meant, WinterBorn. Rereading your post reveals that you were referring to the collective purchaser as "his". I apologize for the misunderstanding.
 
Gatorman said:
Gun shows and person to person sales have no such restrictions in most places. Even those that do require better record keeping in these events it is rarely enforced.
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Nonsense. Gun shows do have to follow the law. But if you are implying that the laws are not being enforced, that is a different problem...Why do you think that is? Too many laws to enforce them all maybe?
 
j-mac said:
This is a problem today, the lawyers have handcuffed even mental health community so that it is increasingly tough to have someone that should be committed.
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Dead wrong, jaybird. The lawyers increasing use the mental health facilities to otherwise save their clients from severe prison terms or death by court ordered execution. They usually win on that.
 
With all the talk of the dangers of high capacity magazines, assault rifles, ect, we also need to look at what is the most dangerous.

If I still had my old Marlin lever action, I could put 10 rounds of .44 magnum rounds out fairly quickly. If I was not spraying, but aiming, in a crowded place, I would pretty much guarantee 9 or 10 kills. And given that the rifle can be reloaded without taking away its ability to fire, I could end up with a pile of bodies. And that is with an "old timey" rifle.

The person is what is dangerous, not the weapon itself.
 
Gatorman said:
Dead wrong, jaybird. The lawyers increasing use the mental health facilities to otherwise save their clients from severe prison terms or death by court ordered execution. They usually win on that.
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Yes, they use the mental health system to get criminals off. But I think what j-mac was talking about is that lawsuits have made it increasingly difficult to commit someone until AFTER they have committed a crime.
 
leaningright said:
Every gun (besides antiques) I have ever bought at a gun show had to go through the registration process. Individual sales....no.
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That has been the opposite from my own experience. In fact, in Mississippi where I live there is no requirement for gun shows to register anything beyond a sale. The firearm goes out the door unregistered and most of the time the vender doesn't even report the income from the sale, or trade. But that brings up an entirely different subject, doesn't it?
 
Gatorman said:
That has been the opposite from my own experience. In fact, in Mississippi where I live there is no requirement for gun shows to register anything beyond a sale. The firearm goes out the door unregistered and most of the time the vender doesn't even report the income from the sale, or trade. But that brings up an entirely different subject, doesn't it?
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If they are a gun dealer they have to have records of every purchase and every sale. I know some unscrupulous gun people, but none that would be that stupid. If you hold an FFL (required to be a gun dealer) the ATF will audit your records of purchases, sales, and background checks. Now if it is a private citizen selling a gun to another private citizen, there is no requirement for any checks or registration.
 
WinterBorn said:
With all the talk of the dangers of high capacity magazines, assault rifles, ect, we also need to look at what is the most dangerous.

If I still had my old Marlin lever action, I could put 10 rounds of .44 magnum rounds out fairly quickly. If I was not spraying, but aiming, in a crowded place, I would pretty much guarantee 9 or 10 kills. And given that the rifle can be reloaded without taking away its ability to fire, I could end up with a pile of bodies. And that is with an "old timey" rifle.

The person is what is dangerous, not the weapon itself.
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The firearm in the hands of any person with evil intent is the real problem, WinterBorn. But I do get your point. I hope you will consider mine.
 
WinterBorn said:
Yes, they use the mental health system to get criminals off. But I think what j-mac was talking about is that lawsuits have made it increasingly difficult to commit someone until AFTER they have committed a crime.
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That is a law enforcement issue not akin to the issue of the criminally insane. Sometimes the nuts are not criminal. They just scare the hell out of people. Yours and the points of jaybird are well taken.
 
WinterBorn said:
If they are a gun dealer they have to have records of every purchase and every sale. I know some unscrupulous gun people, but none that would be that stupid. If you hold an FFL (required to be a gun dealer) the ATF will audit your records of purchases, sales, and background checks. Now if it is a private citizen selling a gun to another private citizen, there is no requirement for any checks or registration.
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Gun show venders are not required to be licensed dealers and licensed dealers rarely use their licenses while making their sales in gun shows. At least they don't in Mississippi, Arkansas, Tennessee, Alabama and Georgia which are where I've obtained the great majority of my firearms. You might call it more of a barter system for cash. I don't know how to explain it any better than that.
 
Gatorman said:
Gun show venders are not required to be licensed dealers and licensed dealers rarely use their licenses while making their sales in gun shows. At least they don't in Mississippi, Arkansas, Tennessee, Alabama and Georgia which are where I've obtained the great majority of my firearms. You might call it more of a barter system for cash. I don't know how to explain it any better than that.
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If gun dealers are selling firearms without doing background checks, they are most likely selling ones they own personally, as opposed to ones bought for resale (which fall under the FFL) The audits of gun dealers (FFL Holders) are common and frequent.

I have purchased guns at gun shows in AL, FL, and TN. The ONLY time I did not have to go thru the same procedures I would in a gun store was when I purchased guns from private citizens.
 
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