Is Bain their Ace?

More like greed = wealth.

So according to you there is only honor in being poor?

I did, however, note your disdain for those who aren't wealthy by calling them failures. How very, very shallow of you.

We are all driven to out station in life Howey. If being poor is ok with you, I hold no disdain toward that. Some of the best people I have known in my life were simple in nature, and wealth. No, it is more a sense of entitlement to what I work hard to earn by some that are poor that I hold issue with.

One can be poor or middle class and successful, ya know. It's not always about money.

To each his own...I'd like to not have to tase test Alpo in my golden years...It is a struggle.
 
If I had said what you stated then you might have a point but I didn't. I have a lot of time for say management buyouts where the people already in the company take over the running. I was specifically railing against vulture capitalist companies whose only real purpose is to descend on companies which they see as ripe for the picking and then proceed to gut them, sack many staff and then sell them on for a massive profit.

No, you didn't SAY anything, Tom... you just GROANED. Reason: You have no argument!

Let's get something clear, there is no such thing as "vulture" capitalism. ALL capitalism is based on opportunity, and capitalizing on that opportunity. It's what distinguishes ourselves from Socialist nations, where the STATE is the "vulture."

I have absolutely NO problem with profits, or MASSIVE profits! The more PROFIT people make, the more successful they are, and more fucking power to them! That's what freedom and free-market capitalism is ALL ABOUT! The individual realizing his/her potential, able to achieve his/her goals, without interference from the state in the process. THIS is what has made America the most powerful nation on the planet in human history. It's FREEDOM personified.
 
No, you didn't SAY anything, Tom... you just GROANED. Reason: You have no argument!

Let's get something clear, there is no such thing as "vulture" capitalism. ALL capitalism is based on opportunity, and capitalizing on that opportunity. It's what distinguishes ourselves from Socialist nations, where the STATE is the "vulture."

I have absolutely NO problem with profits, or MASSIVE profits! The more PROFIT people make, the more successful they are, and more fucking power to them! That's what freedom and free-market capitalism is ALL ABOUT! The individual realizing his/her potential, able to achieve his/her goals, without interference from the state in the process. THIS is what has made America the most powerful nation on the planet in human history. It's FREEDOM personified.

I guess Gordon Gecko was your hero in the '80s. The process you describe is exactly what caused the biggest financial crisis since the '30s but no doubt you will deny all that as well!! It is also the same reason why so many jobs have been offshored, to maximise short term profits. Nobody is against profits but if they are gained with a view to enriching the few at the expense of the many then they are ill gotten gains.
 
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I guess Gordon Gecko was your hero in the '80s. The process you describe is exactly what caused the biggest financial crisis since the '30s but no doubt you will deny all that as well!! It is also the same reason why so many jobs have been offshored, to maximise short term profits. Nobody is against profits but if they are gained with a view to enriching the few at the expense of the many then they are ill gotten gains.

Gordon Gecko was a fictional character developed by Oliver Stone (Liberal) and Stanley Weiser (Liberal) and portrayed by Micheal Douglas (Liberal) in a story written and produced by liberals for liberals. This has no basis in reality, it is HOLLYWOOD!

What caused the financial crisis had nothing to do with capitalists making money. Again, this is a MEME.

Jobs have been offshored to offset the ever-increasing costs of US labor and regulatory burden on the capitalist... who's job it is to make profit.

ALL Capitalism seeks to gain a profit for a few at the expense of many. That's how it works! There is nothing "ill-gotten" about that, consumers have demands satisfied, supply is abundant enough to meet demand, and those who seize the opportunity to provide the needed supply, are rewarded with profits.
 
Gordon Gecko was a fictional character developed by Oliver Stone (Liberal) and Stanley Weiser (Liberal) and portrayed by Micheal Douglas (Liberal) in a story written and produced by liberals for liberals. This has no basis in reality, it is HOLLYWOOD!

What caused the financial crisis had nothing to do with capitalists making money. Again, this is a MEME.

Jobs have been offshored to offset the ever-increasing costs of US labor and regulatory burden on the capitalist... who's job it is to make profit.

ALL Capitalism seeks to gain a profit for a few at the expense of many. That's how it works! There is nothing "ill-gotten" about that, consumers have demands satisfied, supply is abundant enough to meet demand, and those who seize the opportunity to provide the needed supply, are rewarded with profits.

So the fact that a few practically brought the whole fucking world crashing to its knees is OK because that's how Capitalism works!! Maybe that how you like it to be, a land of robber barons and con artists but it is nothing but a sick con game perpetuated by a bunch of chancers. By the way Gordon Gecko was fictional but Michael Milken and Ivan Boesky were very real and they represented just the tip of the iceberg.

I think you ought to have been born in the 19th century, the 21st century is not for you.
 
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So the fact that a few practically brought the whole fucking world crashing to its knees is OK because that's how Capitalism works!! Maybe that how you like it to be, a land of robber barons and con artists but it is nothing but a sick con game perpetuated by a bunch of chancers.

I think you ought to have been born in the 19th century, the 21st century is not for you.

That's not what happened. That is YOUR perception, based on brainwash propaganda from Socialists.

The economy crashed for a multitude of reasons, we've discussed them in detail here. To point your finger at one thing, and claim THAT is the cause, is foolish, imbecilic, and shows a very shallow understanding of how things work.

"Con artists" are doing things illegally, and as such, we routinely punish them and put them in prison. We could execute them at the guillotine, if it makes you feel better, but really... not much more a civilized society can be expected to do in dealing with illegal behavior. We can't destroy capitalism because some people are crooks. THAT is NOT a solution, it's INSANITY. "Robber barons" is another MEME you Socialist fuckwits like to toss out, but we've not had "robber barons" since the 1930s, when we put anti-monopoly regulations in place. Again, you can regulate and control capitalists... you can't do anything with Oligarchy and a system where the ruling class has all the power AND wealth.
 
That's not what happened. That is YOUR perception, based on brainwash propaganda from Socialists.

The economy crashed for a multitude of reasons, we've discussed them in detail here. To point your finger at one thing, and claim THAT is the cause, is foolish, imbecilic, and shows a very shallow understanding of how things work.

"Con artists" are doing things illegally, and as such, we routinely punish them and put them in prison. We could execute them at the guillotine, if it makes you feel better, but really... not much more a civilized society can be expected to do in dealing with illegal behavior. We can't destroy capitalism because some people are crooks. THAT is NOT a solution, it's INSANITY. "Robber barons" is another MEME you Socialist fuckwits like to toss out, but we've not had "robber barons" since the 1930s, when we put anti-monopoly regulations in place. Again, you can regulate and control capitalists... you can't do anything with Oligarchy and a system where the ruling class has all the power AND wealth.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Are saying that the era of junk bonds, insider trading etc. was all Oliver Stone's febrile imagination? I remember in 1986, when I was working in Thailand, reading about junk bonds in Time magazine and their prediction that it would all end badly, they were most definitely proved right. Of course, that was just a mere bagatelle compared to the enormous fucking mess caused by casino banks in 2007.
 
What the fuck is wrong with you? Are saying that the era of junk bonds, insider trading etc. was all Oliver Stone's febrile imagination? I remember in 1986, when I was working in Thailand, reading about junk bonds in Time magazine and their prediction that it would all end badly, they were most definitely proved right. Of course, that was just a mere bagatelle compared to the enormous fucking mess caused by casino banks in 2007.

YES! I am saying that Oliver Stone's movies are for our entertainment, and have no basis or reflection of the real world! Insider trading is illegal, we send people to prison, we just went over this. Junk bonds are what they are, and capitalism is what it is. What can I say? You keep yammering about "casino banks" and not making any sense... did they do something that was against the law? IF so, did we punish the wrongdoers?

You constantly want to throw out these "Enron" examples, but the thing is... our system deals with that! We already have the tools to handle those things, and we do. Whenever something like that hits us out of the blue, we make whatever changes we need to make, so that it can't happen again.... that's what FREE people do! WE have that power and control over this evil monster called Capitalism.

Your problem is, you've been brainwashed by Socialists for so long, you can't see the truth is through freedom and the individual entrepreneurial spirit. You want to believe in some Utopian vision, where everyone has the same of everything, and all need is met... but that idea is not rooted in reality. It doesn't happen in a Socialist society, because the State controls all resource and power, and ultimately freedom. The natural inclination of ALL families, is to live just beyond their 'means' ...requiring them to constantly strive to make and earn more money. They have this desire within them, and can do this in a free society, but this isn't permitted in Socialist society, they must conform to the standard and not 'dream' of better things. This crushing of the human spirit results in the total collapse of society in the end, it always has with Socialism. This is not the road America needs to take here.
 
blah, blah, blah...You keep yammering about "casino banks" and not making any sense... did they do something that was against the law? IF so, did we punish the wrongdoers?

blah, blah, blah.. our system deals with that! We already have the tools to handle those things, and we do....blah, blah, blah...

^Completely brainwashed.
 
YES! I am saying that Oliver Stone's movies are for our entertainment, and have no basis or reflection of the real world! Insider trading is illegal, we send people to prison, we just went over this. Junk bonds are what they are, and capitalism is what it is. What can I say? You keep yammering about "casino banks" and not making any sense... did they do something that was against the law? IF so, did we punish the wrongdoers?

You constantly want to throw out these "Enron" examples, but the thing is... our system deals with that! We already have the tools to handle those things, and we do. Whenever something like that hits us out of the blue, we make whatever changes we need to make, so that it can't happen again.... that's what FREE people do! WE have that power and control over this evil monster called Capitalism.

Your problem is, you've been brainwashed by Socialists for so long, you can't see the truth is through freedom and the individual entrepreneurial spirit. You want to believe in some Utopian vision, where everyone has the same of everything, and all need is met... but that idea is not rooted in reality. It doesn't happen in a Socialist society, because the State controls all resource and power, and ultimately freedom. The natural inclination of ALL families, is to live just beyond their 'means' ...requiring them to constantly strive to make and earn more money. They have this desire within them, and can do this in a free society, but this isn't permitted in Socialist society, they must conform to the standard and not 'dream' of better things. This crushing of the human spirit results in the total collapse of society in the end, it always has with Socialism. This is not the road America needs to take here.

The casino bankers like Goldman Sachs were doing illegal activities and lying to their backteeth about it. That I have to tell you what they are shows how complacent and out of touch you are. Why don't you get a copy of Wall Street and the Financial Crisis: Anatomy of a Financial Collapse, the 650-page report released by the Senate Subcommittee on Investigations in 2011. I just know that you will come back with some of the old guff that you are famous for, still hope springs eternal.


http://www.hsgac.senate.gov/.../FinancialCrisisReport.pdfhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_and_the_Financial_Crisis:_Anatomy_of_a_Financial_Collapse
 
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The casino bankers like Goldman Sachs were doing illegal activities and lying to their backteeth about it. That I have to tell you what they are shows how complacent and out of touch you are. Why don't you get a copy of Wall Street and the Financial Crisis: Anatomy of a Financial Collapse, the 650-page report released by the Senate Subcommittee on Investigations in 2011. I just know that you will come back with some of the old guff that you are famous for, still hope springs eternal.

www.[B]hsgac.senate.gov[/B]/.../FinancialCrisisReport.pdf

If this is so, then we prosecuted them, right? How did it turn out? And come on man... Rolling Stone? REALLY?
 
If this is so, then we prosecuted them, right? How did it turn out? And come on man... Rolling Stone? REALLY?

So did Rolling Stone write the report, I have even given you the link to the actual report so that you can read without any spin!! And no, they have not been prosecuted. Here it is again along with Wiki on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_and_the_Financial_Crisis:_Anatomy_of_a_Financial_Collapse

http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/Financial_Crisis/FinancialCrisisReport.pdf
 
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That's not what happened. That is YOUR perception, based on brainwash propaganda from Socialists.

The economy crashed for a multitude of reasons, we've discussed them in detail here. To point your finger at one thing, and claim THAT is the cause, is foolish, imbecilic, and shows a very shallow understanding of how things work.

"Con artists" are doing things illegally, and as such, we routinely punish them and put them in prison. We could execute them at the guillotine, if it makes you feel better, but really... not much more a civilized society can be expected to do in dealing with illegal behavior. We can't destroy capitalism because some people are crooks. THAT is NOT a solution, it's INSANITY. "Robber barons" is another MEME you Socialist fuckwits like to toss out, but we've not had "robber barons" since the 1930s, when we put anti-monopoly regulations in place. Again, you can regulate and control capitalists... you can't do anything with Oligarchy and a system where the ruling class has all the power AND wealth.

Here is something else for you to read and then completely forget.

[h=1]The Three Washington Insiders Who Helped Wall Street Destroy America[/h] by Shah Gilani, Editor, Wall Street Insights & Indictments
There are millions of Americans who sense there’s something terribly wrong with our capitalist system. They can’t pinpoint exactly what it is.
But I can.
Bad actors have done bad things to good institutions and our capitalist system. Today, I’m going to let you in on who three of those bad actors are.
You see, part of the problem is that when we think of the “bad guys” on Wall Street, or in Washington for that matter, we don’t often think of specific people. We talk about “them” as faceless men we might imagine sitting in luxurious high-rises chewing on cigars and laughing as they rake in millions, or even billions of dollars on the backs of hardworking Americans.
I intend to fix that. I want to shed light on the faces of the people who are gaming the system and lay out before you the tools they’re using to get away with it.
And I’m going to start with some of the biggest perpetrators behind this mess we’re in.
[h=3]The Three Bears[/h] There are hundreds of bad actors on Wall Street, but three in particular tell the inside story of how appallingly corrupt our country has become. They are:

  • Robert Rubin, who spent 26 years at Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (NYSE: GS), before becoming Treasury Secretary in the Clinton administration.

  • Lawrence Summers, who came out of the World Bank and was Deputy Secretary of the Treasury under his pal Rubin before becoming Treasury Secretary himself in 1999.

  • And Phil Gramm, once a practicing economist who served as a Republican Senator for Texas from 1985 to 2002.
These are the men who – with help of then-Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan – interfered with the Commodities and Futures Trading Commission (CFTC), an important regulatory body, to squash any regulation of derivatives.
And now the notoriously murky derivatives market, which was hugely responsible for the 2008 financial crisis, has grown into a $600 trillion trouble spot for the economy.
This group of very influential and powerful men made sure there was no oversight of derivatives products and markets. None.
While that was an incredible gift to Wall Street’s biggest banks and hedge funds, the Three Bears (I call them that because their actions drove us into the systemic economic bear market from which we’re still struggling to emerge) weren’t done yet.
Not even close.
[h=3]The Beginning of the End[/h] On April 6, 1998, Citicorp and Travelers Group announced that they would merge into a single company.
But there was a problem.
At the time, such a merger would have violated the Glass Steagall Act.
If you’re not familiar with it, the Glass Steagall Act is – or rather was – a piece of Depression-era legislation that established the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. (FDIC) and mandated the separation of commercial banks, investment banks, and insurance companies. It incorporated other practical and prudent regulations enacted to safeguard investors and the public, as well.
But, lessons learned from the Depression were eventually forgotten – or maybe more precisely, steamrolled - by a sweeping deregulatory movement that took root in 1980.
On the day of the announced combination, Traveler’s Chairman, Sandy Weill, addressed impediments to the merger in the New York Times, noting that current law would allow the new Citigroup Inc. (NYSE: C) time to divest itself of assets in order to comply with Glass-Steagall.
However, he ominously added: “We are hopeful that over time the legislation will change.”
Just one year later, it did.
The same powerful group of influence-peddling government insiders overturned Glass-Steagall in November 1999, so the illegal merger didn’t have to be reversed. The law that obliterated the prudent separation of FDIC-backed commercial banks and swing-for-the-fences investment banks became known as the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.
This act is what paved the way for giant, financial super firms that are so intertwined in the financial markets they’re now all considered “too-big-to-fail.”
[h=3]An Eerie Epilogue[/h] So what happened to our three players?
Were they penalized or held accountable for the undermining of our economy and the implosion of markets?
No. They were rewarded.
Robert Rubin went to work for the new Citigroup as a senior advisor of the firm. Rubin made $126 million in cash and stock during his eight years of service, while the bank leveraged itself up by using depositor money.
It had to be bailed out in 2008.
Lawrence Summers reportedly took some $20 million from D.E. Shaw & Co., a giant hedge fund that dabbles in derivatives, for a two-year stint doing something nobody at the firm could confirm.
And Phil Gramm, the venerable Texas senator, upon retiring from that powerful position, immediately became vice chairman of the investment bank division of UBS AG (NYSE: UBS).
Yes, UBS – the same Swiss bank that in 2008 had to be backstopped by the Swiss National Bank when its overleveraged and derivatives-laden balance sheet imploded. The same bank that later paid $780 million to settle criminal charges over its conspiracy to defraud the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and federal government of legitimately owed taxes.
These are the kinds of things that are taking place every day thanks to Wall Street’s influence over our executive and legislative branches of government. And you better believe that average Americans and the Occupy Wall Street protestors can sense that, and they know they should be angry. They just can’t put their finger on why.
I can.
That's because I am a Wall Street guy who spent 30 years working within the system. I studied economics and started my career as a trader on the floor of the Chicago Board of Options Exchange (CBOE). I ran the futures and options division of a giant international money-center bank.
I’ve done everything from trading bonds and mortgage-backed securities to running my own hedge funds. And I have hundreds of stories full of corruption and greed – just like this one.
Not everyone on Wall Street is a bad actor. Most of the professionals working in the capital markets across America are good and honest people.
But, there are plenty of kingpins and kingmakers whose greed is so disgusting they will sink the American dream for their own fistful of dollars.
It’s time we had better insights into what’s really going on, and it's past time to indict some of these bad actors.

http://www.wallstreetinsightsandindictments.com/report/WSII-1111.html
 
Here is something else for you to read and then completely forget.

The Three Washington Insiders Who Helped Wall Street Destroy America

by Shah Gilani, Editor, Wall Street Insights & Indictments
There are millions of Americans who sense there’s something terribly wrong with our capitalist system. They can’t pinpoint exactly what it is.
But I can.
Bad actors have done bad things to good institutions and our capitalist system. Today, I’m going to let you in on who three of those bad actors are.
You see, part of the problem is that when we think of the “bad guys” on Wall Street, or in Washington for that matter, we don’t often think of specific people. We talk about “them” as faceless men we might imagine sitting in luxurious high-rises chewing on cigars and laughing as they rake in millions, or even billions of dollars on the backs of hardworking Americans.
I intend to fix that. I want to shed light on the faces of the people who are gaming the system and lay out before you the tools they’re using to get away with it.
And I’m going to start with some of the biggest perpetrators behind this mess we’re in.
The Three Bears

There are hundreds of bad actors on Wall Street, but three in particular tell the inside story of how appallingly corrupt our country has become. They are:
  • Robert Rubin, who spent 26 years at Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (NYSE: GS), before becoming Treasury Secretary in the Clinton administration.
  • Lawrence Summers, who came out of the World Bank and was Deputy Secretary of the Treasury under his pal Rubin before becoming Treasury Secretary himself in 1999.
  • And Phil Gramm, once a practicing economist who served as a Republican Senator for Texas from 1985 to 2002.
These are the men who – with help of then-Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan – interfered with the Commodities and Futures Trading Commission (CFTC), an important regulatory body, to squash any regulation of derivatives.
And now the notoriously murky derivatives market, which was hugely responsible for the 2008 financial crisis, has grown into a $600 trillion trouble spot for the economy.
This group of very influential and powerful men made sure there was no oversight of derivatives products and markets. None.
While that was an incredible gift to Wall Street’s biggest banks and hedge funds, the Three Bears (I call them that because their actions drove us into the systemic economic bear market from which we’re still struggling to emerge) weren’t done yet.
Not even close.
The Beginning of the End

On April 6, 1998, Citicorp and Travelers Group announced that they would merge into a single company.
But there was a problem.
At the time, such a merger would have violated the Glass Steagall Act.
If you’re not familiar with it, the Glass Steagall Act is – or rather was – a piece of Depression-era legislation that established the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. (FDIC) and mandated the separation of commercial banks, investment banks, and insurance companies. It incorporated other practical and prudent regulations enacted to safeguard investors and the public, as well.
But, lessons learned from the Depression were eventually forgotten – or maybe more precisely, steamrolled - by a sweeping deregulatory movement that took root in 1980.
On the day of the announced combination, Traveler’s Chairman, Sandy Weill, addressed impediments to the merger in the New York Times, noting that current law would allow the new Citigroup Inc. (NYSE: C) time to divest itself of assets in order to comply with Glass-Steagall.
However, he ominously added: “We are hopeful that over time the legislation will change.”
Just one year later, it did.
The same powerful group of influence-peddling government insiders overturned Glass-Steagall in November 1999, so the illegal merger didn’t have to be reversed. The law that obliterated the prudent separation of FDIC-backed commercial banks and swing-for-the-fences investment banks became known as the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.
This act is what paved the way for giant, financial super firms that are so intertwined in the financial markets they’re now all considered “too-big-to-fail.”
An Eerie Epilogue

So what happened to our three players?
Were they penalized or held accountable for the undermining of our economy and the implosion of markets?
No. They were rewarded.
Robert Rubin went to work for the new Citigroup as a senior advisor of the firm. Rubin made $126 million in cash and stock during his eight years of service, while the bank leveraged itself up by using depositor money.
It had to be bailed out in 2008.
Lawrence Summers reportedly took some $20 million from D.E. Shaw & Co., a giant hedge fund that dabbles in derivatives, for a two-year stint doing something nobody at the firm could confirm.
And Phil Gramm, the venerable Texas senator, upon retiring from that powerful position, immediately became vice chairman of the investment bank division of UBS AG (NYSE: UBS).
Yes, UBS – the same Swiss bank that in 2008 had to be backstopped by the Swiss National Bank when its overleveraged and derivatives-laden balance sheet imploded. The same bank that later paid $780 million to settle criminal charges over its conspiracy to defraud the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and federal government of legitimately owed taxes.
These are the kinds of things that are taking place every day thanks to Wall Street’s influence over our executive and legislative branches of government. And you better believe that average Americans and the Occupy Wall Street protestors can sense that, and they know they should be angry. They just can’t put their finger on why.
I can.
That's because I am a Wall Street guy who spent 30 years working within the system. I studied economics and started my career as a trader on the floor of the Chicago Board of Options Exchange (CBOE). I ran the futures and options division of a giant international money-center bank.
I’ve done everything from trading bonds and mortgage-backed securities to running my own hedge funds. And I have hundreds of stories full of corruption and greed – just like this one.
Not everyone on Wall Street is a bad actor. Most of the professionals working in the capital markets across America are good and honest people.
But, there are plenty of kingpins and kingmakers whose greed is so disgusting they will sink the American dream for their own fistful of dollars.
It’s time we had better insights into what’s really going on, and it's past time to indict some of these bad actors.

http://www.wallstreetinsightsandindictments.com/report/WSII-1111.html

Thanks Tom, I can read that article repeatedly.
 
Here is something else for you to read and then completely forget.

[h=1]The Three Washington Insiders Who Helped Wall Street Destroy America[/h] by Shah Gilani, Editor, Wall Street Insights & Indictments
There are millions of Americans who sense there’s something terribly wrong with our capitalist system. They can’t pinpoint exactly what it is.
But I can.
Bad actors have done bad things to good institutions and our capitalist system. Today, I’m going to let you in on who three of those bad actors are.
You see, part of the problem is that when we think of the “bad guys” on Wall Street, or in Washington for that matter, we don’t often think of specific people. We talk about “them” as faceless men we might imagine sitting in luxurious high-rises chewing on cigars and laughing as they rake in millions, or even billions of dollars on the backs of hardworking Americans.
I intend to fix that. I want to shed light on the faces of the people who are gaming the system and lay out before you the tools they’re using to get away with it.
And I’m going to start with some of the biggest perpetrators behind this mess we’re in.
[h=3]The Three Bears[/h] There are hundreds of bad actors on Wall Street, but three in particular tell the inside story of how appallingly corrupt our country has become. They are:

  • Robert Rubin, who spent 26 years at Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (NYSE: GS), before becoming Treasury Secretary in the Clinton administration.

  • Lawrence Summers, who came out of the World Bank and was Deputy Secretary of the Treasury under his pal Rubin before becoming Treasury Secretary himself in 1999.

  • And Phil Gramm, once a practicing economist who served as a Republican Senator for Texas from 1985 to 2002.
These are the men who – with help of then-Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan – interfered with the Commodities and Futures Trading Commission (CFTC), an important regulatory body, to squash any regulation of derivatives.
And now the notoriously murky derivatives market, which was hugely responsible for the 2008 financial crisis, has grown into a $600 trillion trouble spot for the economy.
This group of very influential and powerful men made sure there was no oversight of derivatives products and markets. None.
While that was an incredible gift to Wall Street’s biggest banks and hedge funds, the Three Bears (I call them that because their actions drove us into the systemic economic bear market from which we’re still struggling to emerge) weren’t done yet.
Not even close.
[h=3]The Beginning of the End[/h] On April 6, 1998, Citicorp and Travelers Group announced that they would merge into a single company.
But there was a problem.
At the time, such a merger would have violated the Glass Steagall Act.
If you’re not familiar with it, the Glass Steagall Act is – or rather was – a piece of Depression-era legislation that established the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. (FDIC) and mandated the separation of commercial banks, investment banks, and insurance companies. It incorporated other practical and prudent regulations enacted to safeguard investors and the public, as well.
But, lessons learned from the Depression were eventually forgotten – or maybe more precisely, steamrolled - by a sweeping deregulatory movement that took root in 1980.
On the day of the announced combination, Traveler’s Chairman, Sandy Weill, addressed impediments to the merger in the New York Times, noting that current law would allow the new Citigroup Inc. (NYSE: C) time to divest itself of assets in order to comply with Glass-Steagall.
However, he ominously added: “We are hopeful that over time the legislation will change.”
Just one year later, it did.
The same powerful group of influence-peddling government insiders overturned Glass-Steagall in November 1999, so the illegal merger didn’t have to be reversed. The law that obliterated the prudent separation of FDIC-backed commercial banks and swing-for-the-fences investment banks became known as the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.
This act is what paved the way for giant, financial super firms that are so intertwined in the financial markets they’re now all considered “too-big-to-fail.”
[h=3]An Eerie Epilogue[/h] So what happened to our three players?
Were they penalized or held accountable for the undermining of our economy and the implosion of markets?
No. They were rewarded.
Robert Rubin went to work for the new Citigroup as a senior advisor of the firm. Rubin made $126 million in cash and stock during his eight years of service, while the bank leveraged itself up by using depositor money.
It had to be bailed out in 2008.
Lawrence Summers reportedly took some $20 million from D.E. Shaw & Co., a giant hedge fund that dabbles in derivatives, for a two-year stint doing something nobody at the firm could confirm.
And Phil Gramm, the venerable Texas senator, upon retiring from that powerful position, immediately became vice chairman of the investment bank division of UBS AG (NYSE: UBS).
Yes, UBS – the same Swiss bank that in 2008 had to be backstopped by the Swiss National Bank when its overleveraged and derivatives-laden balance sheet imploded. The same bank that later paid $780 million to settle criminal charges over its conspiracy to defraud the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and federal government of legitimately owed taxes.
These are the kinds of things that are taking place every day thanks to Wall Street’s influence over our executive and legislative branches of government. And you better believe that average Americans and the Occupy Wall Street protestors can sense that, and they know they should be angry. They just can’t put their finger on why.
I can.
That's because I am a Wall Street guy who spent 30 years working within the system. I studied economics and started my career as a trader on the floor of the Chicago Board of Options Exchange (CBOE). I ran the futures and options division of a giant international money-center bank.
I’ve done everything from trading bonds and mortgage-backed securities to running my own hedge funds. And I have hundreds of stories full of corruption and greed – just like this one.
Not everyone on Wall Street is a bad actor. Most of the professionals working in the capital markets across America are good and honest people.
But, there are plenty of kingpins and kingmakers whose greed is so disgusting they will sink the American dream for their own fistful of dollars.
It’s time we had better insights into what’s really going on, and it's past time to indict some of these bad actors.

http://www.wallstreetinsightsandindictments.com/report/WSII-1111.html


But-but-but, if it's legal, it's okay - in Dixieland.
 
But-but-but, if it's legal, it's okay - in Dixieland.

Apparently according to Dixie, it is ok to completely fuck up the world's economy as long as a few fucking chancers and crooks fill their boots with filthy lucre. According to him, that is the capitalist way and if anybody dares to say different then they are just lickspittle Commie sympathisers. None of the main players have even been threatened with prosecution, except for Madoff who made the big mistake of ripping off the 1% rather than the little guys.
 
Apparently according to Dixie, it is ok to completely fuck up the world's economy as long as a few fucking chancers and crooks fill their boots with filthy lucre. According to him, that is the capitalist way and if anybody dares to say different then they are just lickspittle Commie sympathisers. The guy is a couple of sarnies short of a picnic!!!

All of that 'invisible hand' horseshit helps them justify whatever ensues from capitalism and whatever new 'processes' its disciples conjure up in its name.
 
The salient point that I'm trying to make, not very well it seems, is that many of these private equity companies are only interested in short term profit and pimping up the companies enough to resell for a huge profit. Very few are truly interested in turning the companies around and saving jobs, if that happens then it is in spite of not because of their intervention. In the olden days, they used to be called asset strippers but vulture capitalists is just as good a name. I am not saying that all of them are like that but I would submit that the majority are.

But my question was:
Then what should happen to those failing companies?

Someone compiled a list of companies that had been "bought out" and have prospered. Is that being ignored?
 
Apparently according to Dixie, it is ok to completely fuck up the world's economy as long as a few fucking chancers and crooks fill their boots with filthy lucre. According to him, that is the capitalist way and if anybody dares to say different then they are just lickspittle Commie sympathisers. None of the main players have even been threatened with prosecution, except for Madoff who made the big mistake of ripping off the 1% rather than the little guys.

It appears to me, that case has not been proven in a court of law. Your 'brilliant' Rolling Stones political opinion and analysis withstanding, no case has been made against anyone for violation of the law. There is an ongoing Congressional investigation, after which, there may be some indictments, again... the system is working to police corruption and hold people accountable for wrongdoing... what would you have us do, burn them at the stake?

You are trying to point to a couple of examples of potentially illegal behavior, that hasn't been proven, and claim that is a basis for why we need a Socialistic state, where the powers of the state control both wealth and politics. I disagree with you on principle.
 
But my question was:
Then what should happen to those failing companies?

Someone compiled a list of companies that had been "bought out" and have prospered. Is that being ignored?

Every business has a few successes. No company like Bain has such a horrible record at gutting jobs.

Why? Because that was their job! They even bragged about it!
 
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