How does it feel to now be a taxpayer?

I'm just wondering, I know a lot of things are being lost in the celebration, as pinheads are elated their Obamacare survived a SCOTUS challenge, but I was curious as to how many of you now feel, being a taxpayer for the first time? I know you probably haven't thought about that much, and I should probably wait until you have your first tax bill to ask, but I was curious.

What's that? You didn't think this would effect you because you don't make enough to pay taxes? Well, that was BEFORE an individual mandate to buy insurance, became a tax. Now that this matter is settled, all that is left is to figure up the total cost of Obamacare, and divide it up evenly among the people. What's that? You assumed this tax would be like all the other tax, something we could pawn off on the wealthy to pay and never worry with? Again, that was before the high court ruled that individual mandates are taxes. You can't expect others to cover your individual mandate, can you? Wow... I think some of you might have expected that, I can see the shocked looks on your faces as you read this.

Guess what wasn't in the SCOTUS ruling? That all taxes must be paid by wealthy people and the poor/middle-class are given a pass. The overwhelming and enormous cost of providing insurance coverage for every American, can't be paid for with rich people tax. Remember, they just got hit with a new individual mandate tax too. No, the cost will have to be shared by all, since we are all going to be required to buy insurance. This means, a very significant number of you, who have never had to worry with taxes, are going to get to experience that for the first time, and I think it is wonderful.

This might actually be the best thing that ever happened, if it results in all of you people becoming tax payers, who would otherwise just be a drain. Oh now, I can almost hear the tear-filled emotes already... wuh, what about the poor and elderly? Well, as always, the truly poor and elderly are going to be care for through Medicare, which fortunately, was rewarded with getting back over a half-trillion of it's own dollars, in light of this SCOTUS ruling. We'll still have to find a way to shore that program up for the Baby Boomers, but hey... by then, most of you will be old pros at this tax stuff, we can do it!

Now I realize, some of you have really shitty jobs that don't pay a whole lot and don't have all that great of an insurance plan, if they have one at all... but just think of how much better things are going to be, when you feel the satisfaction of paying for your own health insurance? What's that? You thought someone else was going to pay for your health insurance? LOL... who, the insurance fairy? No, you see... you thought that the government was going to end up paying, but that's not what the court ruled, was it? They ruled the individual mandate was constitutional, therefore, the government doesn't have to pay for jack shit, they simply delegate how much you owe the tax man for your health insurance coverage, unless you provide your own... and good luck with that these days. For some odd and peculiar reason, mandating that each individual purchase insurance, somehow makes it more valuable and cost more money... who'da thunk it? But in the long run, it's certainly worth it, I mean, what if we get sick, right?

Anyway... I know this kind of premature, and I should have probably waited until you have to pay your first tax bill, or maybe... don't get that nice cushy refund check you were depending on for vacation... but I was genuinely excited about all the new tax payers we now have! I really do think you guys are going to love the rewarding feeling of looking at your checks, and seeing an ever-bigger chunk of it going to fund the government you desired. And I promise I'll be right here to make sure no one denies you the satisfaction of knowing the joy of taxation.
 
The year prior to the ACA 2/3rds of all bankruptcy filings were for medical/health emergencies. Health care is not a commodity to be traded to the highest bidder. No one should go broke because they got hurt or sick.
 
Nonsense. Buy insurance, and there is no tax. Pretty simple concept.

Yah, well.. unfortunately, not everyone will be able to afford it. Insurance cost has risen about 30% since Obamacare passed, and that was BEFORE the SCOTUS mandated that every single American purchase it. Now that insurance companies have something that everyone has to buy, you can expect the rates to increase... especially since they will now be covering all the pre-existing illnesses out there, and 'children' until they are 26.

No, it's going to get quite expensive, but you've planned for this, right? I mean, you had it all figured out how we could do this and not cost anything, didn't you? Oh yeah, that's right... the SCOTUS isn't going to allow you to steal $600 billion from Medicare to fund this now.... oooo... that's a problem. You see, the key can be found in the term, "individual mandate." I know that many of you have been accustomed to a system of entitlement, whereby, nothing could be 'mandated' or even expected from the 'less fortunate' souls out there, but the court has changed this philosophy now. You will be required to pay for your health care insurance, and it won't matter if you are struggling and having difficulty getting by, it's still a mandate and you are still required to follow it.
 
Only about half of dems are that poor dixtard!
How does it feel to be a fat rich white redneck pissed that poor people will get coverage?
 
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The year prior to the ACA 2/3rds of all bankruptcy filings were for medical/health emergencies. Health care is not a commodity to be traded to the highest bidder. No one should go broke because they got hurt or sick.

That's right, and now that every one of us is going to be paying out of our own pockets, a health care insurance premium or fine to the IRS, we can expect that everyone will be in tip-top shape from here on out! Now I hadn't considered the people who are filing bankruptcy, but I would assume the mandate also applies to them, even though it might be difficult to pay, what with going through bankruptcy and all, but an individual mandate is what it is! At least they will know they won't get sick, right?

I happen to own a great deal of stock in health insurance companies, so it's great news to hear that all of you will be forced to pay these companies money for health insurance. For me, an extra couple hundred a month that I wasn't planning on spending, is not really a big deal... but I imagine it will be quite a sacrifice for many who are on tight budgets. But I am confident that's such a small price to pay to ensure everyone is always well and never gets sick, I mean... that's just great!
 
The year prior to the ACA 2/3rds of all bankruptcy filings were for medical/health emergencies. Health care is not a commodity to be traded to the highest bidder. No one should go broke because they got hurt or sick.

true, they should all go broke BEFORE they got hurt or sick.....
 
Only about half of dems are that poor dixtard!
How does it feel to be a fat rich white redneck pissed that poor people will get coverage?

do you really believe that Obamacare in its current state provides that all poor people are going to be given coverage?........
 
Yah, well.. unfortunately, not everyone will be able to afford it. Insurance cost has risen about 30% since Obamacare passed, and that was BEFORE the SCOTUS mandated that every single American purchase it. Now that insurance companies have something that everyone has to buy, you can expect the rates to increase... especially since they will now be covering all the pre-existing illnesses out there, and 'children' until they are 26.
Insurance premiums were rising by 30% or more each year, long before anyone knew who Obama was. Nice try.

That was the reason for HC legislation. Of course, a public option would've been all that was necessary, but the lobbyists wouldn't allow that.

No, it's going to get quite expensive, but you've planned for this, right? I mean, you had it all figured out how we could do this and not cost anything, didn't you? Oh yeah, that's right... the SCOTUS isn't going to allow you to steal $600 billion from Medicare to fund this now.... oooo... that's a problem. You see, the key can be found in the term, "individual mandate." I know that many of you have been accustomed to a system of entitlement, whereby, nothing could be 'mandated' or even expected from the 'less fortunate' souls out there, but the court has changed this philosophy now. You will be required to pay for your health care insurance, and it won't matter if you are struggling and having difficulty getting by, it's still a mandate and you are still required to follow it.
Steal from Medicare?

Do you mean 'fund Bush's unfunded Medicare D'?

Insurance is 'going to get expensive'? Most people get insurance through an employer, so they don't feel the premium increases that have been handed down every year for decades.

For the rest of us, this is a baby step toward a real solution.
 
Only about half of dems are that poor dixtard!
How does it feel to be a fat rich white redneck pissed that poor people will get coverage?
You know Dude, that's essentially the point of why the right opposes HC reform. They got there's and now they're pissed that primary care is going to be made affordable for those who have less economic resources. Like that is somehow going to affect them?

The next step to improve health care outcomes in our nation is to bust the monopoly MD's have in our country. We need more primary care physicians. We need more students graduating from Medical School and going into primary care. Only in the US does it cost $250,000 to $500,000 to educate a Doctor. The MD's monopoly needs to be busted so that eliminate these artificial barriers that keep costs for primary care artificially high. We need more competition in the HC market and not less. This monopoly needs to end.
 
That's right, and now that every one of us is going to be paying out of our own pockets, a health care insurance premium or fine to the IRS, we can expect that everyone will be in tip-top shape from here on out! Now I hadn't considered the people who are filing bankruptcy, but I would assume the mandate also applies to them, even though it might be difficult to pay, what with going through bankruptcy and all, but an individual mandate is what it is! At least they will know they won't get sick, right?

I happen to own a great deal of stock in health insurance companies, so it's great news to hear that all of you will be forced to pay these companies money for health insurance. For me, an extra couple hundred a month that I wasn't planning on spending, is not really a big deal... but I imagine it will be quite a sacrifice for many who are on tight budgets. But I am confident that's such a small price to pay to ensure everyone is always well and never gets sick, I mean... that's just great!

Then you should be happy about the ruling. You'll make more money. Sounds like a win-win situation. The only problem I have is why were you against ObamaCare if you're going to make money? Could it be you're full of that brown stuff?
 
Yes. there is going to be 30 million more ppl in the pool -my advice-lean to speak Hindi, so when you get your 15 minutes with your DR. ( based on my HMO experiences in the past), you can communicate. Take a number,,, - NEXT !!

lots to shake out here, 7 more years for me to get Medicade -which is the real goal - Medicade for all.
 
Yah, well.. unfortunately, not everyone will be able to afford it. Insurance cost has risen about 30% since Obamacare passed, and that was BEFORE the SCOTUS mandated that every single American purchase it. Now that insurance companies have something that everyone has to buy, you can expect the rates to increase... especially since they will now be covering all the pre-existing illnesses out there, and 'children' until they are 26.

No, it's going to get quite expensive, but you've planned for this, right? I mean, you had it all figured out how we could do this and not cost anything, didn't you? Oh yeah, that's right... the SCOTUS isn't going to allow you to steal $600 billion from Medicare to fund this now.... oooo... that's a problem. You see, the key can be found in the term, "individual mandate." I know that many of you have been accustomed to a system of entitlement, whereby, nothing could be 'mandated' or even expected from the 'less fortunate' souls out there, but the court has changed this philosophy now. You will be required to pay for your health care insurance, and it won't matter if you are struggling and having difficulty getting by, it's still a mandate and you are still required to follow it.

You forgot the part about the government offering subsidies to those who earn less. Who is going to be struggling? Do you mean the guy who buys a new car and then can't afford health insurance? Or buys a house with a big mortgage that results in him struggling?
 
I'm curious....do you think that the health insurance premium credit can be offset by a reduction in the EIC?.....

Not according to the SCOTUS ruling... money we've already set aside for other things (like EIC) can't be touched to pay for this. Obamacare will have to be paid for in addition to EIC. But I really do think the Liberals haven't grasped the enormity of the decision and what it established as precedent with the individual mandate. This absolves government from any worries about having to pay for things, they simply pass it along to the taxpayer to take care of in the form of an individual mandate.

Now I really don't care how progressive you are with taxation, even if you wanted to tax the rich people 200%, it won't be enough to cover the cost of insuring everyone. So ultimately, the cost for this will have to be shared by everyone, and there will be very few exceptions. The court has ruled you can't rob Medicare to fund this, but I suppose you could abolish Medicare, but heavens to mercatroid, could you ever imagine Democrats suggesting that?

We can quickly do the math here... 320 million Americans to be insured... Minus out those who are covered by Medicare and we have about 300 million. The average monthly cost of a typical comprehensive 80/20 insurance plan, is about $400. Now, if we cut out 150 million of the 300 million who have to pay for this, it's about $800 a month, and very few people want to, or can afford to, pay $800 a month for health insurance. So the cost has to be distributed among almost ALL the people, with FEW exceptions, otherwise, the math doesn't work out, it is too outrageous to even consider. This does not factor in the premium increases that will happen, as the result of more and more claims from people who have pre-existing illnesses, which are now covered and have to be paid for by the insurance provider. Their rates will go up, as time goes by, there is no other possibility. Pinheads will scoff at my calculations and numbers, but I will suggest that in 50 years, you will be laughing at the very idea of 'health insurance' for $400 a month!
 
I'm just wondering...This means, a very significant number of you, who have never had to worry with taxes, are going to get to experience that for the first time, and I think it is wonderful.

All that wondering for naught. Sheesh.

What you fail to realize is a. Those too poor to buy insurance will fall under Medicaid and b. premiums are capped starting at 3% of yearly income and the payor will receive the aforementioned eic credit as well as a cost-sharing subsidy if the insurance company doesn't comply.

I happen to own a great deal of stock in health insurance companies

That explains a lot. Typical Republican greed motivates your wordy diatribes. Better start dumping that stock, Dicksee (I had to change your name for ya...keep thinking you're a real chick, when you definitely aren't. I think this new name is more appropriate. :)):

Stocks of major insurance companies fell sharply as analysts sorted through the ruling. UnitedHealth Group declined 3 percent, WellPoint almost 6 percent and AFLAC 1.5 percent.
 
Q? How will the IRS enforce this? there are so many unaudited tax returns, tax fraud. Is there a mechainism in place ? or just hire more iRS auditors?
 
Q? How will the IRS enforce this? there are so many unaudited tax returns, tax fraud. Is there a mechainism in place ? or just hire more iRS auditors?
First...you'll be getting medicare, not caid.

For those who get a tax refund, it'll be taken from that.

For those that don't pay, they'll have liens against holdings. Someone posted a link to the particulars in one of these threads. I didn't check it.
 
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