Are Americans dumb?

Aoxomoxoa said:
One of my cousins is an ATC at Heathrow, it is a very stressful job.
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Tell him to get a job with border control. The only stress they suffer is when someone is looking for them to man a control booth! We spent two and a half hours in Terminal 5 listening to a loudmouthed yank with whom I totally agreed, saying for all to hear: You call this a damned airport. What an embarrassment.
Then you keep going round and round in a neverending queue so you forget why you are there and half expect to be trussed, have a bolt shot through your head and finish up in the cold cabinet at Tescos! Instead of suffering the wonderful indignity of being treated like shit by some foreigner pretending to be a bell boy at an hotel.
 
Dixie said:
To me, this was one of the most hilarious reads I've had in a while. Let's break it down for those of you who don't have the time to bother reading the whole thing. It starts with the liberal supposition that the voters are just getting dumber. Never mind that we apparently gained 'smartness' long enough to elect Obama and give Democrats control of the Senate, since then, we have gotten dumber and dumber. And it's not our fault, really! We have our lives to live, and we can't bother with staying up to the minute on every detail... so we naturally get dumber. Now, the Internet should help with this, what with information on virtually any topic now available 24/7 at your fingertips... but alas, it doesn't. You see, we are so stupid, we only look up things on the Internet we are interested in, and we don't read the views of people we don't agree with. Therefore, we remain perpetually mired in our own ignorance.

Furthermore, television doesn't help these days, as the TV news is now presented from a left or right perspective, and we are too stupid to seek other sources and assume our TV news is unbiased, because that's what we had always been accustomed to before Fox News. Now what happens, is dumb people watch Fox News and get dumber, but they never realize that's what they are doing... They think, because they are watching "the news" they are getting smarter, but "studies find" this isn't true. It actually perpetuates the dumbness, and makes people become stupider over time....they've done studies and stuff, man!

So, what do you suppose the point of all this is? Are they just starting to try and explain why their political clocks are about to be cleaned? You'll recall, when Bush was garnering record-setting unprecedented vote tallies, that became their 'line of the moment' for a while... people were just stupid and dumb, and the liberals just hadn't spoken to them on their level of intellectual understanding or something. Maybe they are living in denial, and actually convince themselves that the rest of us are just dumb people, who don't get it? Or... could they be angling for the next great Liberal stroke of brilliance... governmental monitoring of our information intake, to insure all views are appropriately represented on all things?


...excuse me, I am going to go read 1984 again.
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Let's strip away all the "liberal", Bush, and references to 1984. Let's talk about the science .. unless that also offends you.

Post a demonstration of any event that looks like a controlled demolition, but is not one. Can you do that?

NO, you cannot because SCIENCE determines that you cannot.

Falling mass ALWAYS topples to the side of weakness and ALWAYS slows down when it encounters equal or greater mass .. none of which happened on 9/11. Not only did all three buildings fall in the exact same manner, that includes one that was not struck by a plane, had on;y relatively small fires, and was surrounded by buildings that had taken much greated debris damage and still stood. But even that building defied science and went down in the exact same manner.

Point out where that science is faulted and/or how it does not apply in this case.

Can you do that?

NO, you cannot.

There is a point here. The point is that Americans aren't necessarily dumb, but that we are a weak and frightened people. Not a single one of you can argue with the science or argue that it is mis-applied. But you readily argue against any sane discussion of the facts of 9/11.

The science is straight out of the 3rd grade .. and I'm betting that everybody here has at least a 3rd grade education. The problem is that few Americans actually have the courage to question the narrative .. too afraid of being branded as a "conspiracy theorists." Too afraid of what others might think.

There is great beauty and liberation in being free from programming. Free to engage in critical thinking with the ability to speak to that truth.

As my father told me many times, "If you can't defend what you claim to believe .. why do you believe it?"

There is no science that supports the fairy-tale of 9/11.
 
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Occupant said:
Are Americans dumb?

Well this November we will elect either Obama or Rmoney as our president.
Yep I would say not too bright.
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Not to mention we keep electing the same people over and over again to the House and Senate and yet we con ourselves into thinking we will get different results.
 
Dixie said:
don't agree with. Therefore, we remain perpetually mired in our own ignorance.

that's what we had always been accustomed to before Fox News. Now what happens, is dumb people watch Fox News and get dumber, but they never realize that's what they are doing... They think, because they are watching "the news" they are getting smarter, but "studies find" this isn't true. It actually perpetuates the dumbness, and makes people become stupider over time....they've done studies and stuff, man!
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Now THAT "was one of the most hilarious reads I've had in a while"!

Dixie said:
They think, because they are watching "the news" they are getting smarter, but "studies find" this isn't true. It actually perpetuates the dumbness, and makes people become stupider over time....they've done studies and stuff, man!
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Do you think the studies aren't true? Do you have evidence to the contrary?

Dixie said:
Therefore, we remain perpetually mired in our own ignorance.
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Yes, you will...
 
blackascoal said:
Let's strip away all the "liberal", Bush, and references to 1984. Let's talk about the science .. unless that also offends you.

Post a demonstration of any event that looks like a controlled demolition, but is not one. Can you do that?

NO, you cannot because SCIENCE determines that you cannot.

Falling mass ALWAYS topples to the side of weakness and ALWAYS slows down when it encounters equal or greater mass .. none of which happened on 9/11. Not only did all three buildings fall in the exact same manner, that includes one that was not struck by a plane, had on;y relatively small fires, and was surrounded by buildings that had taken much greated debris damage and still stood. But even that building defied science and went down in the exact same manner.

Point out where that science is faulted and/or how it does not apply in this case.

Can you do that?

NO, you cannot.

There is a point here. The point is that Americans aren't necessarily dumb, but that we are a weak and frightened people. Not a single one of you can argue with the science or argue that it is mis-applied. But you readily argue against any sane discussion of the facts of 9/11.

The science is straight out of the 3rd grade .. and I'm betting that everybody here has at least a 3rd grade education. The problem is that few Americans actually have the courage to question the narrative .. too afraid of being branded as a "conspiracy theorists." Too afraid of what others might think.

There is great beauty and liberation in being free from programming. Free to engage in critical thinking with the ability to speak to that truth.

As my father told me many times, "If you can't defend what you claim to believe .. why do you believe it?"

There is no science that supports the fairy-tale of 9/11.
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Actually, all of the science backs what happened on 9/11. The conspiracies have been debunked...

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center
 
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It's too generalized to say that Americans are stupid.

I would say that the larger problem is that Americans are too busy. Most people I know pay only scant attention to politics and the decisions that ultimately impact their lives a great deal. They have a vague sense that the dice are loaded and that the gov't isn't really looking out for them, but they're just too damned busy to do anything about it. Most households need 2 working parents, who are lucky if they have energy to watch Leno after a full day of working and then caring for the kids when they get home.
 
Ever watch Jay Leno's "JayWalking" ?.....Its a part of his show for years.....
Ever watch the Howard Stern bit that he did interviewing protesters.....?

Its true......a large number of citizens are genuinely stupid.....
We have high school seniors that don't know who fought the civil war or won WWII....
College students that never heard of the Vietnam War, who the VP is, or who the First President was...

and the saddest, scariest part is..................................some of 'em vote.
 
Onceler said:
It's too generalized to say that Americans are stupid.

I would say that the larger problem is that Americans are too busy. Most people I know pay only scant attention to politics and the decisions that ultimately impact their lives a great deal. They have a vague sense that the dice are loaded and that the gov't isn't really looking out for them, but they're just too damned busy to do anything about it. Most households need 2 working parents, who are lucky if they have energy to watch Leno after a full day of working and then caring for the kids when they get home.
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And that's very stupid.
 
Superfreak said:
Actually, all of the science backs what happened on 9/11. The conspiracies have been debunked...

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center
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:0) Oh sure .. Popular Mechanics .. the HEARST publication formerly best known for "How to Fix a Toliet." :0)

Science does not back the events of 9/11 .. and surely you know 3rd grade science. Why would you need Popular Mechanics to debunk easy science?

The Popular Mechanics "debunking" is near completely stupid and is full of lies and distortions.

Here is one that I've already DEBUNKED with the testimonies of the Air Traffic Controllers who tracked the planes.

From the "How to fix your toliet" magazine ..

"Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them."

That's the biggest crock of BS I have ever heard. NORAD doesn't track threats inside the US?

Scroll back and listen to the ATC describe the events of the day. Contrary to the bullshit that the toliet magazine has convinced you of .. the ATC never lost sight of the planes.They were tracking them even after their transponders were turned off .. AND, one of the planes turned the transponder back on, probably by mistake.

Up for more debunking of your debunker? :0)
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/reply_to_popular_mechanics.htm

Here's an easy question: What looks like a controlled demolition .. but is not one?

Ask Dan Rather ..

 
The problem with conspiracies - whether it's JFK or 9/11 or whatever - is that they are basically impossible given the scale of involvement.

Too many people involved; a conspiracy of 2 people might get by without eventually leaking, but anything more than that, and it's simply impossible. Too much money to be made, too much noteriety to be gained. The idea of conspiracies like that fly in the face of a long history of human nature.
 
Onceler said:
The problem with conspiracies - whether it's JFK or 9/11 or whatever - is that they are basically impossible given the scale of involvement.

Too many people involved; a conspiracy of 2 people might get by without eventually leaking, but anything more than that, and it's simply impossible. Too much money to be made, too much noteriety to be gained. The idea of conspiracies like that fly in the face of a long history of human nature.
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And at some point, if they were indeed true, somebody involved is going to "get religion" and feel the need to fess up before they die.
 
blackascoal said:
:0) Oh sure .. Popular Mechanics .. the HEARST publication formerly best known for "How to Fix a Toliet." :0)

Science does not back the events of 9/11 .. and surely you know 3rd grade science. Why would you need Popular Mechanics to debunk easy science?

The Popular Mechanics "debunking" is near completely stupid and is full of lies and distortions.

Here is one that I've already DEBUNKED with the testimonies of the Air Traffic Controllers who tracked the planes.

From the "How to fix your toliet" magazine ..

"Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them."

That's the biggest crock of BS I have ever heard. NORAD doesn't track threats inside the US?

Scroll back and listen to the ATC describe the events of the day. Contrary to the bullshit that the toliet magazine has convinced you of .. the ATC never lost sight of the planes.They were tracking them even after their transponders were turned off .. AND, one of the planes turned the transponder back on, probably by mistake.

Up for more debunking of your debunker? :0)
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/reply_to_popular_mechanics.htm

Here's an easy question: What looks like a controlled demolition .. but is not one?

Ask Dan Rather ..
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LMAO... so you have 'Peter Meyer' as your standard bearer? who is he? What is his background that he debunks the Popular Mechanics Article?

To investigate 16 of the most prevalent claims made by conspiracy theorists, POPULAR MECHANICS assembled a team of nine researchers and reporters who, together with PM editors, consulted more than 70 professionals in fields that form the core content of this magazine, including aviation, engineering and the military.
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Tell us, where did good old Peter get his info? What are his qualifications? you dismiss PM with no regard for who they interviewed. Are you suggesting that they found 70 professionals in various fields that all lied?
 
blackascoal said:
:0) I know that it must hurt. Truth is often painful.

Implosion is the ONLY sane possibility. Still waiting on you to demonstrate ANY possibility otherwise. Weakened or damaged buildings always fall to the damaged side. They do not uniformly collapse into their own footprints. That is IMPOSSIBLE. They do not collapse at near free-fall speed. That is IMPOSSIBLE.

Bravo......
Of course we know its not impossible.....demolition teams do it every day....proving it.....you say so yourself.....
The buildings were damaged in such a way to it DID collapse unto itself.......
No one was a witness to internal fires and damage caused by the collisions.....the particular damages that caused the collapse.....
You saw it happen, don't say its impossible because you can't explain the exact events that occurred....
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Now, ignoring a few IMPOSSIBILITIES :0) your fairy-tale might have merit .. except for the other IMPOSSIBILITIES attached to the fairy-tale.

As I've said, not trying to think for you brother .. and I recognize the power of cognitiveoving idissonance.

You'll notice that I have not even mentioned the name Bush. I know how terrorist cells work.

I'm merely speaking to the science and the depths of American lemming-hood.
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Now tell us who did it.....why they did it.....EXACTLY how did they wired the buildings.......get the Arab terrorists to cooperate.....all in secret....

Its ludicrous.......to entertain that kind of bullshit borders on insanity........or enough hate for your country as to deny logic....
 
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