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Guno צְבִי
07-24-2018, 11:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITNUeuihwjQ

Mason Michaels
07-25-2018, 08:36 AM
Jesus is LORD

Jack
07-25-2018, 10:21 AM
Any chance the 'Moses Story' is bogus?

I always wondered about that 'God wrote the Ten Commandments with his finger' thing?

Grugore
07-25-2018, 08:58 PM
You are a fool. People have been trying to discredit the Bible for 2000 years. No one has succeeded. In fact, many parts of Scripture once thought to be myths have been proven true through archeology. Not once. Not twice. Not three times, but many times. Over and over again, Scripture has been proven to be accurate in everything it says. They even found what's left of Sodom and Gamorrah. And guess what? They were destroyed by fire and brimstone. Just like the Bible said.

Nomad
07-25-2018, 09:15 PM
Jesus is LORD

Of Flatbush.

http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/flatbush-465x321.jpg

Mason Michaels
07-25-2018, 10:01 PM
Any chance the 'Moses Story' is bogus?

I always wondered about that 'God wrote the Ten Commandments with his finger' thing?

God created the universe,but couldn't write the Ten Commandments with his finger?

Mason Michaels
07-25-2018, 10:02 PM
Of Flatbush.

http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/flatbush-465x321.jpg

Flatbush?Fonzie lives in Milwaukee!

Controlled Opposition
07-25-2018, 10:06 PM
God created the universe,but couldn't write the Ten Commandments with his finger?

Mason, do you believe in angels?

Mason Michaels
07-25-2018, 10:12 PM
Mason, do you believe in angels?

AM I,I AM's,AM I

Mason Michaels
07-25-2018, 10:12 PM
Mason, do you believe in angels?

What day is Michaelmas on?

Controlled Opposition
07-25-2018, 10:14 PM
What day is Michaelmas on?

I don't know.

Controlled Opposition
07-25-2018, 10:25 PM
AM I,I AM's,AM I

Do you have a coherent answer?

evince
07-25-2018, 10:33 PM
You are a fool. People have been trying to discredit the Bible for 2000 years. No one has succeeded. In fact, many parts of Scripture once thought to be myths have been proven true through archeology. Not once. Not twice. Not three times, but many times. Over and over again, Scripture has been proven to be accurate in everything it says. They even found what's left of Sodom and Gamorrah. And guess what? They were destroyed by fire and brimstone. Just like the Bible said.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/brimstone


: sulfur

Nomad
07-25-2018, 10:44 PM
Flatbush?Fonzie lives in Milwaukee!

Before he was Fonzie in Milwaukee, he was Butchey Weinstein in Flatbush.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2ST4s04LWps

MAGA MAN
07-25-2018, 10:55 PM
Do all liberals hate Jesus?

domer76
07-25-2018, 11:04 PM
You are a fool. People have been trying to discredit the Bible for 2000 years. No one has succeeded. In fact, many parts of Scripture once thought to be myths have been proven true through archeology. Not once. Not twice. Not three times, but many times. Over and over again, Scripture has been proven to be accurate in everything it says. They even found what's left of Sodom and Gamorrah. And guess what? They were destroyed by fire and brimstone. Just like the Bible said.

“The Bible is the word of God"
"How can you be sure it's the word of God?"
"Because the Bible tells us so"
"Why believe the Bible?
"The Bible is infallible"
"How do you know it's infallible?"...

(Return to top)

Guno צְבִי
07-25-2018, 11:12 PM
Do all liberals hate Jesus?

how can one hate a mythical invention , plaid skirt wearer?


watch the video again

even you buy-bull book gosh spiels contradict one another

Guno צְבִי
07-25-2018, 11:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ln-S7ZraUc

Guno צְבִי
07-26-2018, 12:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9Tc9C-MsMk

Jack
07-26-2018, 01:12 AM
Oh Fuck! I hope Dark Soul doesn't watch that 3 minute Video. THAT could be a Total Mindfuck!






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9Tc9C-MsMk

Mason Michaels
07-26-2018, 02:48 AM
Do you have a coherent answer?

That's the most honest answer I could possibly give you!
There are some who would instantly understand what I'm saying.
But to make it easy,before there was a physical universe with matter.
There was a pure Spiritual universe with just Spirits,we call Angels.
Until Lucifer attempted to overthrow
YHWH,causing "The Big Bang",creating the physical universe,and the third of the Angels who backed him,became what we call fallen Angels or Demons.
Also at that moment of "The Big Bang",the ArchAngel Michael was created.
So ,do I believe there are Angels?
Absolutely!

Mason Michaels
07-26-2018, 02:52 AM
Do all liberals hate Jesus?

I'm a Socialist!Jesus is LORD

Jack
07-26-2018, 04:36 AM
That's the most honest answer I could possibly give you!
There are some who would instantly understand what I'm saying.
But to make it easy,before there was a physical universe with matter.
There was a pure Spiritual universe with just Spirits,we call Angels.
Until Lucifer attempted to overthrow
YHWH,causing "The Big Bang",creating the physical universe,and the third of the Angels who backed him,became what we call fallen Angels or Demons.
Also at that moment of "The Big Bang",the ArchAngel Michael was created.
So ,do I believe there are Angels?
Absolutely!

Which one of the Demons is Owl? :)

MAGA MAN
07-26-2018, 04:51 AM
how can one hate a mythical invention , plaid skirt wearer?


watch the video again

even you buy-bull book gosh spiels contradict one another

Still having a problem with cultures, now a religion, that's not your own, bigot?

The Gospels are eyewitness reports. If they agreed 100%, then they would be suspect.

PostmodernProphet
07-26-2018, 05:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITNUeuihwjQ

lol......"Jesus is God"........"no.....spices!"........poor guano....

PostmodernProphet
07-26-2018, 05:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9Tc9C-MsMk


Claim: Mithras was born of a virgin on December 25th, in a cave, attended by shepherds
Truth: Mithras was actually born out of solid rock, leaving a hole in the side of a mountain (presumably described as a “cave”). He was not born of a virgin (unless you consider the rock mountain to have been a virgin). His birth was celebrated on December 25th, but the first Christians knew this was not the true date of Christ’s birth anyway, and both Mithraic worshippers and the early Roman Church borrowed this celebration from earlier winter solstice celebrations. Shepherds are part of Mithraism, witnessing his birth and helping Mithras emerge from the rock, but interestingly, the shepherds exist in the birth chronology at a time when humans are not supposed to have been yet born. This, coupled with the fact the earliest version of this part of the Mithraic mythology emerges one hundred years after the appearance of the New Testament, infers it is far more likely this portion of Mithraism was borrowed from Christianity rather than the other way around.
Claim: Mithras was considered a great traveling teacher and master
Truth: There is nothing in the Mithraic tradition indicating he was a teacher of any kind, but he was could have been considered a master of sorts. This would not be unexpected of any deity, however. Most mythologies describe their gods in this way.

Claim: Mithras had 12 companions or disciples
Truth: There is no evidence for any of this in the traditions of Iran or Rome. It is possible the idea Mithras had 12 disciples is simply derived from murals in which Mithras is surrounded by twelve signs and personages of the Zodiac (two of whom are the moon and the sun). Even this imagery is post Christian, and, therefore, did not contribute to the imagery of Christianity (although it could certainly have borrowed from Christianity).

Claim: Mithras promised his followers immortality
Truth: While there is little evidence for this, it is certainly reasonable to think Mithras might have offered immortality, as this is not uncommon for any God of mythology.

Claim: Mithras performed miracles
Truth: Of course this is true, as this too was not uncommon for mythological characters.

Claim: Mithras sacrificed himself for world peace
Truth: There is little or no evidence this is true, although there is a story about Mithras slaying a threatening bull in a heroic deed. But that’s about as close as it gets.

Claim: Mithras was buried in a tomb and after three days rose again, and Mithras was celebrated each year at the time of His resurrection (later to become Easter)
Truth: There is nothing in the Mithraic tradition indicating he ever even died, let alone resurrected. Tertullian did write about Mithraic believers re-enacting resurrection scenes, but he wrote about this occurring well after New Testament times. Christianity could not, therefore, have borrowed from Mithraic traditions, but the opposite could certainly be true.

Claim: Mithras was called “the Good Shepherd”, and was identified with both the Lamb and the Lion
Truth: There is no evidence that Mithras was ever called “the Good Shepherd” or identified with a lamb, but since Mithras was a sun-god, there was an association with Leo (the House of the Sun in Babylonian astrology), so one might say he was associated with a Lion. But once again, all of this evidence is actually post New Testament; Mithraic believers may once again have borrowed this attribute from Christianity.

Claim: Mithras was considered to be the “Way, the Truth and the Light,” and the “Logos,” “Redeemer,” “Savior” and “Messiah.”
Truth: Based on the researched and known historic record of the Mithraic traditions, none of these terms has ever been applied to Mithras with the exception of “mediator”. But this term was used in a very different from how Christians used the term. Mithras was not the mediator between God and man but the mediator between the good and evil gods of Zoroaster.

Claim: Mithraic believers celebrated Sunday as Mithras’ sacred day (also known as the “Lord’s Day,”)
Truth: This tradition of celebrating Sunday is only true of Mithraic believers in Rome and it is a tradition that dates to post Christian times. Once again, it is more likely to have been borrowed from Christianity than the other way around.

Claim: Mithraic believers celebrated a Eucharist or “Lord’s Supper”
Truth: Followers of Mithras did not celebrate a Eucharist, but they did celebrate a fellowship meal regularly, just as did many other groups in the Roman world
http://coldcasechristianity.com/2014/is-jesus-simply-a-retelling-of-the-mithras-mythology/

poor guano.....

PostmodernProphet
07-26-2018, 05:43 AM
Horus....

Claim: Horus was conceived by a virgin mother named Meri, and had a stepfather named Seb (Joseph)
Truth: Horus was NOT conceived of a virgin. In fact, mural and textual evidence from Egypt indicates Isis (there is no evidence that “Meri” was ever part of her name) hovered over the erect penis (she created) of Osiris to conceive Horus. While she may have been a virgin before the conception, she utilized Osiris’ penis to conceive. She later had another son with Osiris as well. There is no evidence of three wise men as part of the Horus story at all. Seb was actually the “earth god”; He was not Horus’ earthly father. Seb is not the equivalent of Joseph and, in most cases, Seb is described as Osiris’ father.

Claim: Horus was born in a cave, his birth announced by an angel, heralded by a star and attended by shepherds.
Truth: There is no reference to a cave or manger in the Egyptian birth story of Horus. In fact, none of these details are present in the ancient Egyptian stories of Horus. Horus was born in a swamp. His birth was not heralded by an angel. There was no star.

Claim: Horus attended a special rite of passage at the age of twelve and there is no data on the child from the age of 12 to 30.
Truth: There is no continuous effort in the Horus mythology to account for all these years, so there are no real gaps in the chronology. Horus never taught in any temple at twelve (as did Jesus).

Claim: Horus was baptized in a river at the age of 30, and his baptizer was later beheaded.
Truth: Horus was never baptized. While conspiracy theorists often point to “Anup the Baptizer” (claiming he was later beheaded), there is no such person in Horus’ story.

Claim: Horus had 12 disciples.
Truth: Horus had only four disciples (called ‘Heru-Shemsu’), but at some point in his story there is reference to sixteen followers and a group of unnumbered followers who join Horus in battle (called ‘mesnui’).

Claim: Horus performed miracles, exorcized demons, raised someone from the dead, and walked on water.
Truth: Horus certainly performed miracles (he was, after all, described as a god). But there was no mention of exorcizing demons, raising people from the dead or walking on water.

Claim: Horus was called “Iusa”, the “ever-becoming son” and the “Holy Child”.
Truth: No one in Egyptian history was ever called “Iusa” (the word does not exist) nor was anyone called “Holy Child”.

Claim: Horus delivered a “Sermon on the Mount”, and his followers recounted his sayings. He was transfigured on the Mount.
Truth: Horus never delivered a “Sermon on the Mount”, nor was he transfigured.

Claim: Horus was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and was resurrected.
Truth: Horus is not reported to have died at all in the vast majority of Egyptian narratives. There is also no crucifixion story. Instead, Horus is usually described as eventually merging with Re (the Sun god) after which he “dies” and is “reborn” every day as the sun rises. There is a parallel account describing Horus’ death and detailing how he was cast in pieces into the water, later fished out by a crocodile at Isis’ request.

Claim: Horus was called “Way”, “the Truth the Light”, “Messiah”, “God’s Anointed Son”, “Son of Man”, “Good Shepherd”, “Lamb of God”, “Word made flesh”, “Word of Truth”, “the KRST” or “Anointed One”.
Truth: None of these titles are in Egyptian history, but Horus is called by several names you might expect for any god in mythology: “Great God”, “Chief of the Powers”, “Master of Heaven”, and “Avenger of His Father”. Horus was not called “the Krst”. This word in Egyptian means “burial” (it wasn’t a title at all).

Claim: Horus was “the Fisher” and was associated with the Fish, Lamb and Lion.
Truth: Some of conspiracy theorists associate Horus with fish (by virtue of the fact that Horus was a fish in some portion of the ancient narrative), but there is no evidence Horus was ever called a “fisher” or was ever associated with the Lion or the Lamb.

Claim: Horus came to fulfill the Law, and was supposed to reign one thousand years.
Truth: There was no Egyptian “law” for Horus to fulfill, and there is no mention of a thousand year reign in Egyptian mythology.
http://coldcasechristianity.com/2017/is-jesus-simply-a-retelling-of-the-horus-myth/
poor guano.....

RB 60
07-26-2018, 05:48 AM
Which one of the Demons is Owl? :)

https://thumb7.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/92208/232130074/stock-photo-a-scary-demon-woman-with-big-sharp-teeth-232130074.jpg

PostmodernProphet
07-26-2018, 05:49 AM
Attis?

How much truth is there to these claims? Not a lot of details are available regarding Attis, but most sources do not mention any of these similarities and the only ones that do mention them postdate the time of Jesus by several centuries and were written by Christian authors - meaning that any similarity to Christianity may have been due to the religion being interpreted through a Christian lens. Also, if the actual myth is examined, it bears little resemblance to the Gospel narrative.

According to one version of the myth, Attis was made high priest by Cybele and one of the requirements was chastity on the part of Attis. When he broke this vow of faithfulness to her with a nymph, she caused him to go insane and he eventually castrated himself. After he regained his senses, he committed suicide and she turned him into a tree which became sacred to her.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends-europe/pagan-attis-and-christian-jesus-spurious-connection-009634

if you are an enraged atheist, committing suicide and turning into a tree is just like being crucified on a cross.......poor guano....

PostmodernProphet
07-26-2018, 05:51 AM
Krishna.....born of a virgin just like his seven older brothers........guano is getting boring.....

http://bib.irr.org/krishna-and-christ-debunking-parallels-between-jesus-and-krishna

PostmodernProphet
07-26-2018, 05:55 AM
Dionysus


Though Zeus begged her not to ask this, she persisted and he agreed. Therefore, he came to her wreathed in bolts of lightning; mortals, however, could not look upon an undisguised god without dying, and she perished in the ensuing blaze. Zeus rescued the unborn Dionysus by sewing him into his thigh. A few months later, Dionysus was born on Mount Pramnos in the island of Ikaria, where Zeus went to release the now-fully-grown baby from his thigh. In this version, Dionysus is borne by two "mothers" (Semele and Zeus) before his birth, hence the epithet dimētōr (of two mothers) associated with his being "twice-born".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysus
gosh, just like the nativity.....poor uninformed guano....

Guno צְבִי
07-26-2018, 07:58 AM
Now that humanity has access to to history and sociology at their fingertips , truth is readily available to matters of the roots of belief systems

Guno צְבִי
07-26-2018, 08:04 AM
You are a fool. People have been trying to discredit the Bible for 2000 years. No one has succeeded. In fact, many parts of Scripture once thought to be myths have been proven true through archeology. Not once. Not twice. Not three times, but many times. Over and over again, Scripture has been proven to be accurate in everything it says. They even found what's left of Sodom and Gamorrah. And guess what? They were destroyed by fire and brimstone. Just like the Bible said.


education is your friend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py_rO90mFbY

Guno צְבִי
07-26-2018, 08:07 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCVpiZo5jAk

Guno צְבִי
07-26-2018, 08:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnVwWrIDB3s


Several books in Christian Bibles were demonstrably not written by their alleged authors. Many of these books are now designated the “Pseudepigrapha” or “Apocrypha.” The term pseudepigrapha means generally “falsely written,” and the term apocrypha means “secret” or, more suspiciously, “hidden.” How did such seemingly spurious writings become part of the biblical canon? In this lecture, Prof. Wright will explain how these books came into being and how they became canonical. This fresh look at these “false,” “secret,” or “hidden” books will reveal the great diversity that existed in earliest Judaism and Christianity.

J. Edward Wright is Professor of Hebrew Bible and Early Judaism and has served as the Director of the Arizona Center for Judaic Studies at The University of Arizona since 2000. Wright received his Ph.D. from Brandeis University and did additional graduate study at The Hebrew University of Jerusalem and the Harvard Divinity School.

domer76
07-26-2018, 08:34 AM
That's the most honest answer I could possibly give you!
There are some who would instantly understand what I'm saying.
But to make it easy,before there was a physical universe with matter.
There was a pure Spiritual universe with just Spirits,we call Angels.
Until Lucifer attempted to overthrow
YHWH,causing "The Big Bang",creating the physical universe,and the third of the Angels who backed him,became what we call fallen Angels or Demons.
Also at that moment of "The Big Bang",the ArchAngel Michael was created.
So ,do I believe there are Angels?
Absolutely!

Who told you all that garbage?

domer76
07-26-2018, 08:36 AM
Still having a problem with cultures, now a religion, that's not your own, bigot?

The Gospels are eyewitness reports. If they agreed 100%, then they would be suspect.

Joseph Smith had eyewitness accounts, too. So, you must believe in his golden tablets.

domer76
07-26-2018, 08:37 AM
Krishna.....born of a virgin just like his seven older brothers........guano is getting boring.....

http://bib.irr.org/krishna-and-christ-debunking-parallels-between-jesus-and-krishna

Wow! ANOTHER virgin birth!

Go figure....

Frank Apisa
07-26-2018, 08:51 AM
You are a fool. People have been trying to discredit the Bible for 2000 years. No one has succeeded. In fact, many parts of Scripture once thought to be myths have been proven true through archeology. Not once. Not twice. Not three times, but many times. Over and over again, Scripture has been proven to be accurate in everything it says. They even found what's left of Sodom and Gamorrah. And guess what? They were destroyed by fire and brimstone. Just like the Bible said.

People have been trying to discredit the Bible for more than 2000 years...

...and most have succeeded.

But stick with your mythology. It helps get you past the graveyard...although whistling a happy tune works also.

Frank Apisa
07-26-2018, 08:54 AM
That's the most honest answer I could possibly give you!
There are some who would instantly understand what I'm saying.
But to make it easy,before there was a physical universe with matter.
There was a pure Spiritual universe with just Spirits,we call Angels.
Until Lucifer attempted to overthrow
YHWH,causing "The Big Bang",creating the physical universe,and the third of the Angels who backed him,became what we call fallen Angels or Demons.
Also at that moment of "The Big Bang",the ArchAngel Michael was created.
So ,do I believe there are Angels?
Absolutely!

So...your blind guess is that the Bible is the word of a god...

...and a further blind guess is that "angels" exist.

Why do you word that as, "I believe?"

Guno צְבִי
07-26-2018, 09:12 AM
Paul reported that around 37CE, he had a revelation from God on the road to Damascus. According to his writings, he saw a blinding light, fell to the ground unconscious, heard voices, and became temporarily blinded. During this episode, Jesus appeared to him and spoke to him.

Some say his description is consistent with an epileptic seizure, (Epilepsy, at that time, was thought to indicate possession by a demon—perhaps Paul called his seizure a revelation to avoid the stigma of epilepsy.) Others suggest that Paul had a psychotic episode. It is also possible that Paul was affected by a fireball or meteor passing through the sky which accounts for the blinding light, being knocked to the ground, and temporary blindness.

The first of Paul’s Epistles was written fourteen years later around 52CE. (We have no earlier writings from him and know nothing about what he did for those 14 years.) Paul said that he met Peter and James, the brother of Jesus. However, he reports that he made no attempt to meet and talk with them or any of the other disciples. Just the opposite—there appears to have been a rift between Paul and the people who could have known Jesus. I think Paul and the early Christians had very different opinions about who Jesus was and what he taught.

Paul is quite insistent that he bases his ideas about Christ on his revelation and not upon any eyewitness account told to him.



https://owlcation.com/humanities/Jesus-Who-The-Historical-Record-Gives-No-Clue

Nomad
07-26-2018, 09:25 AM
Arguing about religion is pointless.

People are going to believe what they believe.

Guno צְבִי
07-26-2018, 09:33 AM
Arguing about religion is pointless.

People are going to believe what they believe.

When mental illnesses and delusions are used to drive national policy it is very pertinent

Nomad
07-26-2018, 09:37 AM
When mental illnesses and delusions are used to drive national policy it is very pertinent

True, but that's a slightly different argument.

Just arguing about religion for the sake of argument or trying to convince the other guy your beliefs are right and theirs are wrong is a waste of time.

All you do is cause them to dig in their heels.

Frank Apisa
07-26-2018, 10:16 AM
True, but that's a slightly different argument.

Just arguing about religion for the sake of argument or trying to convince the other guy your beliefs are right and theirs are wrong is a waste of time.

All you do is cause them to dig in their heels.

All the more so, because "beliefs" in a religious context...are nothing but blind guesses about the unknown.

When a person says, "I believe there is a GOD"...that person is actually saying, "It is my blind guess that a GOD EXISTS."

By the same token, a person who says, "I believe there are no gods...they are myths"...is actually saying, "It is my blind guess that no gods exist...that the notion of gods (or a GOD) IS A MYTH.

If everyone would get away from making blind guesses about THAT aspect of the REALITY of existence, the world would be a much nicer place.

Short of that...if we could all get away from calling our blind guesses on these matters "beliefs"...that would go a long way toward helping make the world a better place.

Nothing wrong with blind guesses.

MAGA MAN
07-26-2018, 10:16 AM
Joseph Smith had eyewitness accounts, too. So, you must believe in his golden tablets.

You don't get to tell me what to believe.

Nomad
07-26-2018, 10:55 AM
All the more so, because "beliefs" in a religious context...are nothing but blind guesses about the unknown.

When a person says, "I believe there is a GOD"...that person is actually saying, "It is my blind guess that a GOD EXISTS."

By the same token, a person who says, "I believe there are no gods...they are myths"...is actually saying, "It is my blind guess that no gods exist...that the notion of gods (or a GOD) IS A MYTH.

If everyone would get away from making blind guesses about THAT aspect of the REALITY of existence, the world would be a much nicer place.

Short of that...if we could all get away from calling our blind guesses on these matters "beliefs"...that would go a long way toward helping make the world a better place.

Nothing wrong with blind guesses.

I have no problem calling blind guesses "beliefs", just stop calling them "facts".

Don't be so insecure that you can't admit that we as humans don't know shit about anything beyond our five physical senses.

Nomad
07-26-2018, 10:57 AM
You don't get to tell me what to believe.

Why would someone who calls himself "Dark Soul" be defending Christianity, hypocrite?

Mason Michaels
07-26-2018, 11:00 AM
Who told you all that garbage?

YHWH thru the Holy Spirit.

Mason Michaels
07-26-2018, 11:03 AM
So...your blind guess is that the Bible is the word of a god...

...and a further blind guess is that "angels" exist.

Why do you word that as, "I believe?"

Believe it don't,I just share my Revelation

Mason Michaels
07-26-2018, 11:05 AM
Arguing about religion is pointless.

People are going to believe what they believe.

That applies to politics too!

Nomad
07-26-2018, 11:08 AM
That applies to politics too!

True, but at least arguing about politics involves people and events that can be seen with the eyes and heard with the ears.

Mason Michaels
07-26-2018, 11:13 AM
True, but at least arguing about politics involves people and events that can be seen with the eyes and heard with the ears.

Can you see the wind?

Controlled Opposition
07-26-2018, 11:20 AM
The reason I asked Mason about angels was that I read that 77% of Americans believe in angels and 50% believe they have a guardian angel.

domer76
07-26-2018, 11:31 AM
YHWH thru the Holy Spirit.

Hearing voices?

There's medication for that.

Nomad
07-26-2018, 11:46 AM
Can you see the wind?

No, but like everyone else, I can feel it and see it bending trees and limbs, so I know it's there.

Grugore
07-26-2018, 11:55 AM
Do all liberals hate Jesus?

Since liberalism is completely opposed to the teachings of Christ, I would have to say yes they are.

Crazy Cat Lady
07-26-2018, 11:57 AM
Do all liberals hate Jesus?

No.

Grugore
07-26-2018, 12:09 PM
True, but that's a slightly different argument.

Just arguing about religion for the sake of argument or trying to convince the other guy your beliefs are right and theirs are wrong is a waste of time.

All you do is cause them to dig in their heels.

Actually, thousands of atheists come to know Chist every day. They hear God's word and they believe. So, it's not pointless at all. Is it?

Frank Apisa
07-26-2018, 12:16 PM
I have no problem calling blind guesses "beliefs", just stop calling them "facts".

What the hell are you talking about here, Nomad?

It is my position that anything called a "belief" about the existence or non-existence of a GOD or gods...

...is nothing but a blind guess. I think blind guesses ought to be called blind guesses.


Don't be so insecure that you can't admit that we as humans don't know shit about anything beyond our five physical senses.

What the hell are you talking about here, Nomad?

I am not insecure about anything on this issue. I have set out my position several times. Here it is again:

I do not know if gods exist or not;
I see no reason to suspect gods CANNOT EXIST...that the existence of gods is impossible;
I see no reason to suspect that gods MUST EXIST...that gods are needed to explain existence;
I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction...

...so I don't.


If you want to make blind guesses on the issue...and call those blind guesses something else...do it.

I think it sucks to do so.

Frank Apisa
07-26-2018, 12:18 PM
Since liberalism is completely opposed to the teachings of Christ, I would have to say yes they are.

The teachings of Jesus are antithetical to American conservatism.

For the most part...the teachings of Jesus comport well with a progressive agenda.

Frank Apisa
07-26-2018, 12:19 PM
Actually, thousands of atheists come to know Chist every day. They hear God's word and they believe. So, it's not pointless at all. Is it?

Nothing wrong with atheists changing their blind guesses from "there are no gods" to "there is a GOD...AND jESUS IS IT."

Blind guesses are just blind guesses.

Fentoine Lum
07-26-2018, 12:21 PM
Christianity/religion, the bible and the constitution in american society are not things we frame our lives accordingly to, and society upon, or are guided by. They are blunt instruments for bludgeoning each other with.

Grugore
07-26-2018, 12:23 PM
Nothing wrong with atheists changing their blind guesses from "there are no gods" to "there is a GOD...AND jESUS IS IT."

Blind guesses are just blind guesses.

People believe in God because of evidence. There is no guessing involved.

Nomad
07-26-2018, 12:24 PM
Actually, thousands of atheists come to know Chist every day. They hear God's word and they believe. So, it's not pointless at all. Is it?

Apparently talking to you is pointless, so..... :dunno:

Grugore
07-26-2018, 12:25 PM
Apparently talking to you is pointless, so..... :dunno:

YOU talking to me is pointless. You never have a valid point to offer.

Fentoine Lum
07-26-2018, 12:25 PM
Actually, thousands of atheists come to know Chist every day. They hear God's word and they believe. So, it's not pointless at all. Is it?

Imagine the conversion rates if folks actually saw christians living the teachings of Christ in their daily lives as opposed to all the browbeating self-aggrandizing peacherism. As it is, I would suggest self-professed christians begin openly living according to the teachings of Christ; show me.

Frank Apisa
07-26-2018, 12:26 PM
People believe in God because of evidence. There is no guessing involved.

Horse shit.

There is no "evidence" that logically can be considered "evidence that any gods exist."

There also is no "evidence" that logically can be considered "evidence that no gods exist."

Fentoine Lum
07-26-2018, 12:27 PM
YOU talking to me is pointless. You never have a valid point to offer.


"YOU talking to me is pointless. You never agree."

Frank Apisa
07-26-2018, 12:28 PM
Imagine the conversion rates if folks actually saw christians living the teachings of Christ in their daily lives as opposed to all the browbeating self-aggrandizing peacherism. As it is, I would suggest self-professed christians begin openly living according to the teachings of Christ; show me.

It would indeed be a blessing if the so-called "Christians" of America...would start living according to the teachings of Jesus.

For the most part they don't...especially the most vocal...the "conservative" christians.

Grugore
07-26-2018, 12:32 PM
Horse shit.

There is no "evidence" that logically can be considered "evidence that any gods exist."

There also is no "evidence" that logically can be considered "evidence that no gods exist."

Really? If there is no God, then where did the physical universe come from? Where did the laws of physics come from? Where does consciousness come from? Where do love and hate come from? What about art and music? Why do we create and enjoy it? The Bible explains all of it. Science can explain none of it.

Nomad
07-26-2018, 12:39 PM
What the hell are you talking about here, Nomad?

It is my position that anything called a "belief" about the existence or non-existence of a GOD or gods...

...is nothing but a blind guess. I think blind guesses ought to be called blind guesses.


Fine. Call them whatever you want to. I'm perfectly OK with calling blind guesses beliefs if those doing the guessing actually believe their guesses.

Sounds pretty logical if you ask me.


What the hell are you talking about here, Nomad?

I am not insecure about anything on this issue. I have set out my position several times. Here it is again:

I do not know if gods exist or not;
I see no reason to suspect gods CANNOT EXIST...that the existence of gods is impossible;
I see no reason to suspect that gods MUST EXIST...that gods are needed to explain existence;
I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction...

...so I don't.

Whoa there, big fella!!! Settle down!!!

I was not talking about you. When I said "you" I meant it in a generic sense.

IOW, "you" as in "anybody".

Relax.


If you want to make blind guesses on the issue...and call those blind guesses something else...do it.

I think it sucks to do so.

I'm agnostic. I don't make blind guesses or have beliefs on the issue. I readily admit that we as humans don't know anything.

I thought I made that abundantly clear.

I just don't see what the BFD is about calling beliefs "beliefs" given that's exactly what they are. Maybe you have a different definition of the word than I do.

Again, as long as they aren't calling beliefs "facts", I'm OK with it.

You are free to feel however you want to about it.

Frank Apisa
07-26-2018, 12:42 PM
Really? If there is no God, then where did the physical universe come from?

I do not know...and neither do you.

But I understand that your blind guess is that there is a GOD.

Fine...nothing wrong with a blind guess.




Where did the laws of physics come from?


Which ones?




Where does consciousness come from?

I do not know...and neither do you.

But I understand that your blind guess is that there is a GOD...and that "consciousness" comes from that GOD.

Fine...nothing wrong with a blind guess.





Where do love and hate come from?

I don't know and neither do you.

But I understand that your blind guess is that there is a GOD...and that love and hate come from that GOD. (Interesting that you think THAT!)

But, fine...nothing wrong with a blind guess.




What about art and music? Why do we create and enjoy it?

Most art and music come from the humans who create it.

What is your problem with that?




The Bible explains all of it. Science can explain none of it.

Horse shit on both counts.

Fentoine Lum
07-26-2018, 12:43 PM
People believe in God because of evidence. There is no guessing involved.

No. Believing is not the same as thinking, and too many believe believing is thinking. Faith is the purposeful suspension of critical thought.

Frank Apisa
07-26-2018, 12:44 PM
Fine. Call them whatever you want to. I'm perfectly OK with calling blind guesses beliefs if those doing the guessing actually believe their guesses.

Sounds pretty logical if you ask me.



Whoa there, big fella!!! Settle down!!!

I was not talking about you. When I said "you" I meant it in a generic sense.

IOW, "you" as in "anybody".

Relax.



I'm agnostic. I don't make blind guesses or have beliefs on the issue. I readily admit that we as humans don't know anything.

I thought I made that abundantly clear.

I just don't see what the BFD is about calling beliefs "beliefs" given that's exactly what they are. Maybe you have a different definition of the word than I do.

Again, as long as they aren't calling beliefs "facts", I'm OK with it.

You are free to feel however you want to about it.

If you think it is okay to call blind guesses "beliefs"...and then ask that those blind guesses be given special respect because they are called "beliefs"...fine with me.

I think that is destructive to reasonable discussion on the issue.

We simply disagree on this.

Grugore
07-26-2018, 12:44 PM
I do not know...and neither do you.

But I understand that your blind guess is that there is a GOD.

Fine...nothing wrong with a blind guess.






Which ones?





I do not know...and neither do you.

But I understand that your blind guess is that there is a GOD...and that "consciousness" comes from that GOD.

Fine...nothing wrong with a blind guess.





I don't know and neither do you.

But I understand that your blind guess is that there is a GOD...and that love and hate come from that GOD. (Interesting that you think THAT!)

But, fine...nothing wrong with a blind guess.




Most art and music come from the humans who create it.

What is your problem with that?




Horse shit on both counts.

In other words, your argument is that it's just a blind guess. Only someone who is blind would say something like that.

Fentoine Lum
07-26-2018, 12:46 PM
Really? If there is no God, then where did the physical universe come from? Where did the laws of physics come from? Where does consciousness come from? Where do love and hate come from? What about art and music? Why do we create and enjoy it? The Bible explains all of it. Science can explain none of it.

Humankind really went astray with the notion of the creator in human form; this entire concept of the male dominator god.

Frank Apisa
07-26-2018, 12:48 PM
In other words, your argument is that it's just a blind guess. Only someone who is blind would say something like that.

That was very lame.

As to the question:

Is there a GOD?...

...one can either truthfully say, "I do not know"...or make a blind guess.

If you want to blindly guess there is a GOD...fine with me.

There are others who will blindly guess that there are no gods.

That is also fine with me.

Nothing wrong with blind guesses.

Fentoine Lum
07-26-2018, 12:51 PM
In other words, your argument is that it's just a blind guess. Only someone who is blind would say something like that.

You're as blind as any hominid alive, it is part and parcel of the human condition, only someone who cannot deal with that reaches for blind faith to cope, which is actually a refusal of/to use the creative intelligence your creator endowed you with.

Grugore
07-26-2018, 12:59 PM
That was very lame.

As to the question:

Is there a GOD?...

...one can either truthfully say, "I do not know"...or make a blind guess.

If you want to blindly guess there is a GOD...fine with me.

There are others who will blindly guess that there are no gods.

That is also fine with me.

Nothing wrong with blind guesses.

I can truthfully say, with all confidence, that there is a God.

Frank Apisa
07-26-2018, 01:11 PM
I can truthfully say, with all confidence, that there is a God.

You cannot "truthfully" say that...but I understand you are a captive of your blind guess that there is a God...and that you know its nature...and know what pleases it and what offends it.

If it brings you comfort...great.

I'll stick with "I do not know and do not want to make a guess."

Fentoine Lum
07-26-2018, 01:15 PM
I can truthfully say, with all confidence, that there is a God.

You can say anything at all, utterly meaningless, look at your president.

Fentoine Lum
07-26-2018, 01:20 PM
People believe in God because of evidence. There is no guessing involved.

They were beaten and murdered into submission, see the The Inquisition. The tribes of Europe were slaughtered into submission to the male dominator "God" chain of command, took hundreds of years and generations to subdue the tribes of Europe. Once the descendants of the tribes of Europe landed in the Americas to subjugate the peoples of the Americas and wage a war for "possession of the souls of the savage heathens", they no longer knew what it meant to be a human being and/or spiritual beings. The perversion of turning a spiritual perception of reality into a religious perception of reality was the point all along.

Grugore
07-26-2018, 01:32 PM
You cannot "truthfully" say that...but I understand you are a captive of your blind guess that there is a God...and that you know its nature...and know what pleases it and what offends it.

If it brings you comfort...great.

I'll stick with "I do not know and do not want to make a guess."

You can deny the truth all you like. Doesn't change anything. You will die. You will stand before your Creator and be judged. Nothing will change that. There will be no excuses on Judgment Day.

Nomad
07-26-2018, 01:35 PM
If you think it is okay to call blind guesses "beliefs"...and then ask that those blind guesses be given special respect because they are called "beliefs"...fine with me.

I think that is destructive to reasonable discussion on the issue.

We simply disagree on this.

I think everybody's right to hold whichever religious beliefs they want to, should be given a reasonable level of basic respect.

I fail to see where using the word "beliefs" has any bearing on anything.

It's just a word.

Fentoine Lum
07-26-2018, 01:36 PM
You can deny the truth all you like. Doesn't change anything. You will die. You will stand before your Creator and be judged. Nothing will change that. There will be no excuses on Judgment Day.

You will have nothing to do with any of it, and have no idea whether that's how it goes down or not. At all. You simply choose to believe what you like. And that's fine, for you. That is NOT yours to put on others. You are not God son, again, this has always been the problem with seeing the creator in human form.

Here's what you know: You will die. Nothing will change that.

Frank Apisa
07-26-2018, 01:38 PM
You can deny the truth all you like. Doesn't change anything. You will die. You will stand before your Creator and be judged. Nothing will change that. There will be no excuses on Judgment Day.

I understand the blind guesses you have made that leads you to a post such as this one I quoted.

You MAY be right.

The GOD you suppose MAY exist...and all the shit you suppose MAY happen.

You MAY be wrong.

I understand your devotion to that blind guess...and if it brings you comfort...great. I'm on your side.

That is the way it goes with blind guesses, Grugore. Some are right and some are wrong. There are people like you blindly guessing that god of yours exists...and other people blindly guessing that no gods exist.

Either side MAY be correct.

I'd just as soon not guess.

Frank Apisa
07-26-2018, 01:39 PM
I think everybody's right to hold whichever religious beliefs they want to, should be given a reasonable level of basic respect.

I fail to see where using the word "beliefs" has any bearing on anything.

It's just a word.

I understand that you fail to see it.

So?

Grugore
07-26-2018, 01:43 PM
I understand the blind guesses you have made that leads you to a post such as this one I quoted.

You MAY be right.

The GOD you suppose MAY exist...and all the shit you suppose MAY happen.

You MAY be wrong.

I understand your devotion to that blind guess...and if it brings you comfort...great. I'm on your side.

That is the way it goes with blind guesses, Grugore. Some are right and some are wrong. There are people like you blindly guessing that god of yours exists...and other people blindly guessing that no gods exist.

Either side MAY be correct.

I'd just as soon not guess.

Once again, I'm not guessing. God is real, the evidence is overwhelming, yet you still refuse to accept it. The evidence is there, but most people reject it out of sinful pride.

Fentoine Lum
07-26-2018, 01:47 PM
Once again, I'm not guessing. God is real, the evidence is overwhelming, yet you still refuse to accept it. The evidence is there, but most people reject it out of sinful pride.

Faith is the purposeful suspension of critical thought.

Frank Apisa
07-26-2018, 01:53 PM
Once again, I'm not guessing.

YES...you are guessing. And for the most part, relying on the blind guesses of superstitious ancient Hebrews for your blind guesses.




God is real,

There may be a GOD...there may be many gods.

We really do not know. I understand your blind guess that there is a GOD...and that it is the particular god that the ancient Hebrews blindly guessed existed.



the evidence is overwhelming,

The "evidence" is underwhelming.

There may be a god...there may be no gods.

The "evidence" such as exists...simply does not point in either direction.



yet you still refuse to accept it.

I refuse to make a blind guess. Not sure why that bothers you so.



The evidence is there, but most people reject it out of sinful pride.

There is no "evidence" that points to any god...and certainly none that point to the god you suppose exists.

People like you blindly guess it is so...and refuse to acknowledge it is a guess out of "pride" and stubbornness.

Controlled Opposition
07-26-2018, 01:57 PM
You can deny the truth all you like. Doesn't change anything. You will die. You will stand before your Creator and be judged. Nothing will change that. There will be no excuses on Judgment Day.

Why wait to be judged? An all knowing god wouldn't have to keep a ledger, knowing everything you were going to do before you did it.

Fentoine Lum
07-26-2018, 01:59 PM
Why wait to be judged? An all knowing god wouldn't have to keep a ledger, knowing everything you were going to do before you did it.

Oh that's what the stoning and labeling and "non'believer" shunning are for. Sometimes "God" needs real time assistance from the "Godly".

Guno צְבִי
07-26-2018, 02:27 PM
I think everybody's right to hold whichever religious beliefs they want to, should be given a reasonable level of basic respect.

I fail to see where using the word "beliefs" has any bearing on anything.

It's just a word.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPAC_cGVnUg

Fentoine Lum
07-26-2018, 02:29 PM
There it is.

Mason Michaels
07-26-2018, 02:42 PM
No, but like everyone else, I can feel it and see it bending trees and limbs, so I know it's there.

Same thing with God,you can see the reaction,suggest as the Holocaust,Israel becoming a nation again,Jerusalem becoming under Jewish Control.

Fentoine Lum
07-26-2018, 02:46 PM
Same thing with God,you can see the reaction,suggest as the Holocaust,Israel becoming a nation again,Jerusalem becoming under Jewish Control.

And the slaughtered becoming the slaughterers.

Frank Apisa
07-26-2018, 02:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPAC_cGVnUg

One of the reasons I suggest we change from "belief" to "blind guess" (other than because it more accurately and truthfully depicts what is being said)...is that very few people would argue for giving "respect" to someone's blind guesses.

They simply are blind guesses...and nothing more.

They deserve the kind of respect one should have for a blind guess.

PostmodernProphet
07-26-2018, 03:08 PM
Some say his description is consistent with an epileptic seizure

would those be the same medical experts who thought a woman with eight sons was a virgin?.....

PostmodernProphet
07-26-2018, 03:10 PM
When mental illnesses and delusions are used to drive national policy it is very pertinent

not to worry......nobody actually takes you seriously........

Fentoine Lum
07-26-2018, 03:11 PM
would those be the same medical experts who thought a woman with eight sons was a virgin?.....

I urge anyone to go attempt to pass off a virgin birth now.

PostmodernProphet
07-26-2018, 03:19 PM
poor Frank......he thinks because he is blind every one else must be......

Fentoine Lum
07-26-2018, 03:20 PM
poor Frank......he thinks because he is blind every one else must be......

Should be intimately familiar to ya.

PostmodernProphet
07-26-2018, 03:26 PM
just think......I disproved the claims of virgin birth in five religions in ten minutes using the internet........you guys have had two thousand years......how's it going?......

Fentoine Lum
07-26-2018, 03:33 PM
just think......I disproved the claims of virgin birth in five religions in ten minutes using the internet........you guys have had two thousand years......how's it going?......

The need to "believe" is stronger than reality itself.

Nomad
07-26-2018, 03:37 PM
I understand that you fail to see it.

So?

What I understand is that you fail to understand the definition of the word "belief".

If someone believes something to be true, no matter how unsupported by hard evidence or science those beliefs may be, or what other words like "blind guesses" might also be used to describe those beliefs, they still fit the definition of the word belief, whether you like it or not or whether you accept it or not or whether you understand it or not.

OK, we get it. You hate Christians. Fine. I find most of them to be annoying hypocrites too, especially the far right, rwnj Trumptards and goofballs.

But that doesn't change the definition of the word belief.

Sorry, but it is what it is.

Guno צְבִי
07-26-2018, 03:37 PM
I urge anyone to go attempt to pass off a virgin birth now.

in addition what kind of sign was a virgin birth? did cockeyed mary wear a sigh letting everyone know?

And The Mistranslation of “Virgin”

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/tippling/2016/12/07/debunking-nativity-mistranslation-virgin/

Fentoine Lum
07-26-2018, 03:41 PM
in addition what kind of sign was a virgin birth? did cockeyed mary wear a sigh letting everyone know?

And The Mistranslation of “Virgin”

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/tippling/2016/12/07/debunking-nativity-mistranslation-virgin/

Kristian Kuntservatives have certainly erased the notion that Joe and Mary were poor travelers who were offered very little kindness by strangers.

domer76
07-26-2018, 03:58 PM
You can deny the truth all you like. Doesn't change anything. You will die. You will stand before your Creator and be judged. Nothing will change that. There will be no excuses on Judgment Day.

Who told you all that garbage?

Fentoine Lum
07-26-2018, 04:00 PM
Who told you all that garbage?

Religious middlemen.

domer76
07-26-2018, 04:00 PM
Once again, I'm not guessing. God is real, the evidence is overwhelming, yet you still refuse to accept it. The evidence is there, but most people reject it out of sinful pride.

It is? Have you seen him? Has anyone seen him? Has he spoken to you? Has he spoken to anyone?
Answers:

Nope
Nope
Nope
Nope
Nope

Fentoine Lum
07-26-2018, 04:01 PM
It is? Have you seen him? Has anyone seen him? Has he spoken to you? Has he spoken to anyone?
Answers:

Nope
Nope
Nope
Nope
Nope

He spoke to George Bush so there!

domer76
07-26-2018, 04:01 PM
just think......I disproved the claims of virgin birth in five religions in ten minutes using the internet........you guys have had two thousand years......how's it going?......

You did?

Why stop there? All claims of virgin birth are bunk. Besides your massive gullibility, what makes your virgin birth special?

Guno צְבִי
07-26-2018, 04:04 PM
You don't get to tell me what to believe.

no your spawners did a good job of drilling that crap into your skull, and it stuck

so don't get your plaid skirt all in a knot

MAGA MAN
07-26-2018, 05:01 PM
no your spawners did a good job of drilling that crap into your skull, and it stuck

so don't get your plaid skirt all in a knot

Still having a problem with culture and religion that isn't your own I see, bigot.

MAGA MAN
07-26-2018, 05:02 PM
Why would someone who calls himself "Dark Soul" be defending Christianity, hypocrite?

Why not?

PostmodernProphet
07-26-2018, 05:15 PM
what makes it special?.....for one thing, its the one not disproven.......

PostmodernProphet
07-26-2018, 05:16 PM
in addition what kind of sign was a virgin birth? did cockeyed mary wear a sigh letting everyone know?

And The Mistranslation of “Virgin”

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/tippling/2016/12/07/debunking-nativity-mistranslation-virgin/

I doubt there is anything you have not mistranslated, guano.....

patheos.....is that based on the same root word as pathetic?......

Nomad
07-26-2018, 05:49 PM
no your spawners did a good job of drilling that crap into your skull, and it stuck

so don't get your plaid skirt all in a knot

Dork Hole prefers leopard print to plaid....

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/92/c5/be/92c5bebf90b60ad9d1253735313706d5--drag-queen-mini-dresses.jpg

:whoa:

domer76
07-26-2018, 06:27 PM
poor Frank......he thinks because he is blind every one else must be......

^"If the Bible says it, it happened." :rofl2:

domer76
07-26-2018, 06:29 PM
what makes it special?.....for one thing, its the one not disproven.......

Really? And besides your massive gullibility, how is yours proven?

Oh, that's right:

“The Bible is the word of God"
"How can you be sure it's the word of God?"
"Because the Bible tells us so"
"Why believe the Bible?
"The Bible is infallible"
"How do you know it's infallible?"...

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Nomad
07-26-2018, 07:37 PM
^"If the Bible says it, it happened." :rofl2:

That's why PostmenopausalPussy and his kind so readily and unquestioningly swallow Trump's bullshit.

They've had all that prior indoctrination and training during all those years of going to church and being brainwashed and brow-beaten.

Nomad
07-26-2018, 07:38 PM
Really? And besides your massive gullibility, how is yours proven?

Oh, that's right:

“The Bible is the word of God"
"How can you be sure it's the word of God?"
"Because the Bible tells us so"
"Why believe the Bible?
"The Bible is infallible"
"How do you know it's infallible?"...

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Waste of time arguing about this stuff.

PostmodernProphet
07-26-2018, 07:47 PM
domer only has one argument and he still doesn't know when to use it......

MAGA MAN
07-26-2018, 07:49 PM
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/92/c5/be/92c5bebf90b60ad9d1253735313706d5--drag-queen-mini-dresses.jpg



Is that your girlfriend?

Nomad
07-26-2018, 07:52 PM
Is that your girlfriend?

That's you on a typical Saturday night.

Guno צְבִי
07-26-2018, 07:53 PM
Still having a problem with culture and religion that isn't your own I see, bigot.

Listen , no one has a problem with your "lifestyle", if you want to prance around wearing a plaid skirt in the blue ridge go for it. I am sure you feel fabulous after busting out in song while you prance around, but don't take people for fools mumbling about it's a cultural thing . O.K

https://media.giphy.com/media/8DIwfwlM3TlJe/giphy.gif



https://i.gifer.com/2M70.gif

PostmodernProphet
07-26-2018, 07:54 PM
Is that your girlfriend?
no......she said she didn't want to be seen with him in public......

MAGA MAN
07-26-2018, 08:14 PM
That's you on a typical Saturday night.

How silly, taking a photo of yourself or significant other and calling it me.

MAGA MAN
07-26-2018, 08:16 PM
Listen , no one has a problem with your "lifestyle", if you want to prance around wearing a plaid skirt in the blue ridge go for it. I am sure you feel fabulous after busting out in song while you prance around, but don't take people for fools mumbling about it's a cultural thing . O.K

https://media.giphy.com/media/8DIwfwlM3TlJe/giphy.gif



Great movie, and Andrews was a major babe.

Nah, your insisting on calling a well-known article of clothing by a different name shows your true nature as a bigot, bigot.

Guno צְבִי
07-26-2018, 08:16 PM
I doubt there is anything you have not mistranslated, guano.....

patheos.....is that based on the same root word as pathetic?......

Throughout history when Jews brought up these points to Christians, guess what? they were slaughtered ie inquisitions,pogroms banished from Spain, etc then culminating in the Shoah

MAGA MAN
07-26-2018, 08:21 PM
Waste of time arguing about this stuff.

Don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out.

Grugore
07-26-2018, 08:28 PM
It's funny how someone calls a belief in God a guess, without evidence, then goes on to try to discredit that "guess". Why do they do that? I know why. Do you? It's in the Bible. It is the reason every person rejects God. And it has nothing to do with belief.

Guno צְבִי
07-26-2018, 08:30 PM
Actually, thousands of atheists come to know Chist every day. They hear God's word and they believe. So, it's not pointless at all. Is it?

more goyim delsuions

Nomad
07-26-2018, 08:37 PM
How silly, taking a photo of yourself or significant other and calling it me.

How silly, seeing a photo of yourself or significant other and calling it me.

Nomad
07-26-2018, 08:40 PM
Don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out.

If I do, are going to demand pictures of it? :rofl2:

domer76
07-26-2018, 10:17 PM
domer only has one argument and he still doesn't know when to use it......

It can be used every time, moron. That’s your only “proof”.

“If the Bible says it, it happened.” Your quote, Rufus. Classic circularity.

“The Bible is the word of God"
"How can you be sure it's the word of God?"
"Because the Bible tells us so"
"Why believe the Bible?
"The Bible is infallible"
"How do you know it's infallible?"...

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domer76
07-26-2018, 10:18 PM
It's funny how someone calls a belief in God a guess, without evidence, then goes on to try to discredit that "guess". Why do they do that? I know why. Do you? It's in the Bible. It is the reason every person rejects God. And it has nothing to do with belief.

“It’s in the Bible.” Thanks for validating my point.

“The Bible is the word of God"
"How can you be sure it's the word of God?"
"Because the Bible tells us so"
"Why believe the Bible?
"The Bible is infallible"
"How do you know it's infallible?"...

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Controlled Opposition
07-27-2018, 01:20 AM
Throughout history when Jews brought up these points to Christians, guess what? they were slaughtered ie inquisitions,pogroms banished from Spain, etc then culminating in the Shoah

Jews have been thrown out of nations for centuries and none of that was ever their fault.

Frank Apisa
07-27-2018, 02:35 AM
What I understand is that you fail to understand the definition of the word "belief".

If someone believes something to be true, no matter how unsupported by hard evidence or science those beliefs may be, or what other words like "blind guesses" might also be used to describe those beliefs, they still fit the definition of the word belief, whether you like it or not or whether you accept it or not or whether you understand it or not.

So?




OK, we get it. You hate Christians.

I do not hate Christians...nor Islamists...nor Jews...nor Hindus...nor whatever.

I DO NOT HATE THEM AT ALL.



Fine. I find most of them to be annoying hypocrites too, especially the far right, rwnj Trumptards and goofballs.


Okay.


But that doesn't change the definition of the word belief.

I am not trying to change the definition of the word belief. That is something often hidden from view...and something we ought bring into the light and always keep in mind when discussing religious "beliefs."

I am merely saying that in the context of religion...a "belief" is just a blind guess about the unknown.

In specific...a "belief" that there are no gods...is nothing but a blind guess about the REALITY of existence. Likewise, a "belief" that there is a GOD and that the Bible tells us what the GOD finds pleasing and finds offending...is nothing but a blind guess about the REALITY of existence.

You think "beliefs" deserve "a reasonable level of basic respect."

I don't! Certainly not the kind of "respect" asked for by some people.

I think a blind guess should be treated like a blind guess.

I certainly don't think it should be given the kind of respect that requires us to use that blind guess to formulate laws.



Sorry, but it is what it is.

No need to be sorry, Nomad. We agree strongly on so many issues. BUT...on this issue, we simply disagree .

Frank Apisa
07-27-2018, 02:40 AM
It's funny how someone calls a belief in God a guess, without evidence, then goes on to try to discredit that "guess". Why do they do that? I know why. Do you? It's in the Bible. It is the reason every person rejects God. And it has nothing to do with belief.

A "belief" that a GOD exists...IS A BLIND GUESS.

A "belief" that no gods exists...IS ALSO A BLIND GUESS.

We humans do not know if gods exist or not...and the evidence that there are gods...or are no gods...is so ambiguous we can only make blind guesses on the issue.

Sorry you are having so much trouble with that.

It happens.

Guno צְבִי
07-27-2018, 02:53 AM
Jews have been thrown out of nations for centuries and none of that was ever their fault.

Yes the goyim nations wanted to cling to their ignorance and hated educated people and needed a scapegoat. So tell me pork gobbler . why is it that Jews who are a small minority have excelled in educations and the professions, such as law, medicine, sciences, engineering and academics? Could it be education is stressed


A summary of every Jewish holiday: They tried to kill us, we won, let's eat!

Alan King

And yes there are a lot of Jewish atheists , which is very hard for some bible thumping goyim to grasp

RB 60
07-27-2018, 03:44 AM
A "belief" that a GOD exists...IS A BLIND GUESS.

A "belief" that no gods exists...IS ALSO A BLIND GUESS.

We humans do not know if gods exist or not...and the evidence that there are gods...or are no gods...is so ambiguous we can only make blind guesses on the issue.

Sorry you are having so much trouble with that.

It happens.

Why do you care what others believe?

Frank Apisa
07-27-2018, 03:57 AM
Why do you care what others believe?

I do not care what others blindly guess.

What makes you think I do?

RB 60
07-27-2018, 04:13 AM
I do not care what others blindly guess.

What makes you think I do?

The hundreds of posts you've posted? :palm:

Guno צְבִי
07-27-2018, 04:25 AM
personal belief is one thing for an adult but when it it used to control others such as blasphemy laws , blue laws etc it becomes a public nuisance

Also retarding a childs mind with mythology as fact is child abuse

PostmodernProphet
07-27-2018, 05:27 AM
Throughout history when Jews brought up these points to Christians, guess what? they were slaughtered ie inquisitions,pogroms banished from Spain, etc then culminating in the Shoah

and once upon a time homo sapiens killed neanderthals........what does that have to do with your ignorance?......

PostmodernProphet
07-27-2018, 05:30 AM
personal belief is one thing for an adult but when it it used to control others such as blasphemy laws , blue laws etc it becomes a public nuisance

Also retarding a childs mind with mythology as fact is child abuse

blasphemy laws?......are you stuck in the 1800s?.....

MAGA MAN
07-27-2018, 06:13 AM
How silly, seeing a photo of yourself or significant other and calling it me.

Not very logical, are you?

MAGA MAN
07-27-2018, 06:14 AM
If I do, are going to demand pictures of it? :rofl2:

No, since he's on his way out, liar. ;)

domer76
07-27-2018, 07:27 AM
blasphemy laws?......are you stuck in the 1800s?.....

“Stuck in the 1800s?”

Oh, the IRONY! :rofl2:

Frank Apisa
07-27-2018, 08:37 AM
The hundreds of posts you've posted? :palm:

Oh.

Okay.

Nothing I can do about you misreading what I write.

PostmodernProphet
07-27-2018, 09:45 AM
domer is busy proving he's one of the dumbest posters at JPP, isn't he......

domer76
07-30-2018, 07:45 AM
domer is busy proving he's one of the dumbest posters at JPP, isn't he......

^”If the Bible says it, it happened.”

:rofl2:

Tell us about that boat with all the animals again.

PostmodernProphet
07-30-2018, 08:39 AM
if the question included the phrase "what does the Bible say about.....", it may be legitimate to quote what the Bible says.....

Gotcha68
08-07-2018, 12:07 PM
There is no arguing with believers (of any issue) as they aren't there to listen but to defend their beliefs at all costs. Long as they aren't hurting anyone else with their beliefs then leave them to it and occupy your time with more fruitful endeavors.