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kudzu
06-09-2018, 07:11 AM
Since it was first published in 1909, the Scofield Reference Bible has made uncompromising Zionists out of tens of millions of Americans. When John Hagee, the founder of Christians United for Israel , said that "50 million evangelical bible-believing Christians unite with five million American Jews standing together on behalf of Israel ," it was the Scofield Bible that he was talking about.

Although the Scofield Reference Bible contains the text of the King James Authorized Version, it is not the traditional Protestant bible but Cyrus I. Scofield’s annotated commentary that is the problem.

More than any other factor, it is Scofield’s notes that induced generations of American evangelicals to believe that God demands their uncritical support for the modern State of Israel.

Blessing Israel

Central to Christian Zionist belief is Scofield’s commentary on Genesis 12:3. For the sake of clarity, Scofield’s notes have been italicized in the following passage:

"'I will bless them that bless thee.’ In fulfilment closely related to the next clause, 'And curse him that curseth thee.’ Wonderfully fulfilled in the history of the dispersion. It has invariably fared ill with the people who have persecuted the Jew – well with those who have protected him. The future will still more remarkably prove this principle."

Drawing on Scofield’s speculative interpretation, John Hagee claims, "The man or nation that lifts a voice or hand against Israel invites the wrath of God."

However, as Stephen Sizer points out, in his definitive critique, Christian Zionism: Road-map to Armageddon?: "The promise, when referring to Abraham’s descendants speaks of God blessing them, not of entire nations 'blessing’ the Hebrew nation, still less the contemporary and secular State of Israel."

Apparently unaware of this more orthodox reading, The New Scofield Study Bible, published by Oxford University Press in 1984, enhanced Scofield’s interpretation, by adding, "For a nation to commit the sin of anti-Semitism brings inevitable judgement." Reading such tendentious comments, a bible-believing Christian could easily assume, for example, that God will punish the 114 countries which endorsed the Goldstone Report.

"Sustained by a dubious exegesis of selective biblical texts," Stephen Sizer concludes, "Christian Zionism’s particular reading of history and contemporary events … sets Israel and the Jewish people apart from other peoples in the Middle East… it justifies the endemic racism intrinsic to Zionism, exacerbates tensions between Jews and Palestinians and undermines attempts to find a peaceful resolution of the Palestinian- Israeli conflict, all because 'the Bible tells them so.’"

The incredible Scofield

In his 2008 book, The Rise of Israel: A History of a Revolutionary State , Jonathan R. Adelman describes the crucial support Israel receives from Christian fundamentalists as "totally fortuitous." The incredible career of the man who wrote "the Bible of Fundamentalism," however, casts considerable doubt on that assertion.

Two years after Scofield’s reported conversion to Christianity in 1879, the Atchison Patriot was less than impressed. Describing the former Atchison resident as the "late lawyer, politician and shyster generally," the article went on to recount a few of Scofield’s "many malicious acts."

These included a series of forgeries in St. Louis , for which he was sentenced to six months in jail.

Being a "born again" preacher, however, did not preclude Scofield from becoming a member of an exclusive New York men’s club in 1901. In his devastating biography, The Incredible Scofield and His Book, Joseph M. Canfield comments, "The admission of Scofield to the Lotos Club, which could not have been sought by Scofield, strengthens the suspicion that has cropped up before, that someone was directing the career of C. I. Scofield."

That someone, Canfield suspects, was associated with one of the club’s committee members, the Wall Street lawyer Samuel Untermeyer. As Canfield intimates, Scofield’s theology was "most helpful in getting Fundamentalist Christians to back the international interest in one of Untermeyer’s pet projects – the Zionist Movement."

Others, however, have been more explicit about the nature of Scofield’s service to the Zionist agenda. In "Unjust War Theory: Christian Zionism and the Road to Jerusalem," Prof. David W. Lutz claims, "Untermeyer used Scofield, a Kansas city lawyer with no formal training in theology, to inject Zionist ideas into American Protestantism.

Untermeyer and other wealthy and influential Zionists whom he introduced to Scofield promoted and funded the latter’s career, including travel in Europe ."

Absent such powerful connections, it is hard to imagine "this peer among scalawags" ever getting a contract with Oxford University Press to publish his bible. Nevertheless, it remains a mystery why OUP chose to endorse such a sectarian work.


Atonement

If there had been no Scofield Bible, American presidents influenced by Christian Zionism, such as Truman, Johnson, Reagan and George W. Bush, would most likely have been less sympathetic to Israeli demands, and consequently more attentive to U.S. interests.

Moreover, the American people might have been spared the well-publicized pro-Israeli rants of John Hagee, Pat Robertson and the late Jerry Falwell, not to mention the lucrative End Times "prophecy" peddled by Hal Lindsey and Tim LaHaye.



But it is the people of the Middle East who have suffered most at the hands of an expansionist Israel, emboldened by the unswerving allegiance of America’s Christian Zionists, who were led to believe that Scofield’s words were God’s will.


continued

http://www.israelshamir.net/shamirReaders/english/Cathail--Scofield-Zionist-Bible.php

kudzu
06-09-2018, 07:18 AM
Although much needless suffering has already been caused by the Scofield Bible, perhaps it’s not too late for Oxford University Press to publicly disavow its harmful book. Among its many victims are 3.5 million Palestinian refugees whose right to return is fervently opposed by Christian Zionists, who believe that the land belongs exclusively to "God’s chosen people."

At the very least, OUP could demonstrate remorse for its role in promoting ethnic cleansing by compensating those refugees with the considerable profits accrued over the past century from sales of its Zionist bible.

PostmodernProphet
06-09-2018, 11:52 AM
However, as Stephen Sizer points out, in his definitive critique, Christian Zionism: Road-map to Armageddon?: "The promise, when referring to Abraham’s descendants speaks of God blessing them, not of entire nations 'blessing’ the Hebrew nation, still less the contemporary and secular State of Israel."

obviously it refers to the entire world being blessed by Jesus coming forth out of the nation of Israel.......

Jack
06-09-2018, 11:57 AM
I probably won't read any of this but it will be nice to see who engages in 'Biblical Talk'.

The Ugly Truth
06-09-2018, 04:41 PM
Since it was first published in 1909, the Scofield Reference Bible has made uncompromising Zionists out of tens of millions of Americans. When John Hagee, the founder of Christians United for Israel , said that "50 million evangelical bible-believing Christians unite with five million American Jews standing together on behalf of Israel ," it was the Scofield Bible that he was talking about.

Although the Scofield Reference Bible contains the text of the King James Authorized Version, it is not the traditional Protestant bible but Cyrus I. Scofield’s annotated commentary that is the problem.

More than any other factor, it is Scofield’s notes that induced generations of American evangelicals to believe that God demands their uncritical support for the modern State of Israel.

Blessing Israel

Central to Christian Zionist belief is Scofield’s commentary on Genesis 12:3. For the sake of clarity, Scofield’s notes have been italicized in the following passage:

"'I will bless them that bless thee.’ In fulfilment closely related to the next clause, 'And curse him that curseth thee.’ Wonderfully fulfilled in the history of the dispersion. It has invariably fared ill with the people who have persecuted the Jew – well with those who have protected him. The future will still more remarkably prove this principle."

Drawing on Scofield’s speculative interpretation, John Hagee claims, "The man or nation that lifts a voice or hand against Israel invites the wrath of God."

However, as Stephen Sizer points out, in his definitive critique, Christian Zionism: Road-map to Armageddon?: "The promise, when referring to Abraham’s descendants speaks of God blessing them, not of entire nations 'blessing’ the Hebrew nation, still less the contemporary and secular State of Israel."

Apparently unaware of this more orthodox reading, The New Scofield Study Bible, published by Oxford University Press in 1984, enhanced Scofield’s interpretation, by adding, "For a nation to commit the sin of anti-Semitism brings inevitable judgement." Reading such tendentious comments, a bible-believing Christian could easily assume, for example, that God will punish the 114 countries which endorsed the Goldstone Report.

"Sustained by a dubious exegesis of selective biblical texts," Stephen Sizer concludes, "Christian Zionism’s particular reading of history and contemporary events … sets Israel and the Jewish people apart from other peoples in the Middle East… it justifies the endemic racism intrinsic to Zionism, exacerbates tensions between Jews and Palestinians and undermines attempts to find a peaceful resolution of the Palestinian- Israeli conflict, all because 'the Bible tells them so.’"

The incredible Scofield

In his 2008 book, The Rise of Israel: A History of a Revolutionary State , Jonathan R. Adelman describes the crucial support Israel receives from Christian fundamentalists as "totally fortuitous." The incredible career of the man who wrote "the Bible of Fundamentalism," however, casts considerable doubt on that assertion.

Two years after Scofield’s reported conversion to Christianity in 1879, the Atchison Patriot was less than impressed. Describing the former Atchison resident as the "late lawyer, politician and shyster generally," the article went on to recount a few of Scofield’s "many malicious acts."

These included a series of forgeries in St. Louis , for which he was sentenced to six months in jail.

Being a "born again" preacher, however, did not preclude Scofield from becoming a member of an exclusive New York men’s club in 1901. In his devastating biography, The Incredible Scofield and His Book, Joseph M. Canfield comments, "The admission of Scofield to the Lotos Club, which could not have been sought by Scofield, strengthens the suspicion that has cropped up before, that someone was directing the career of C. I. Scofield."

That someone, Canfield suspects, was associated with one of the club’s committee members, the Wall Street lawyer Samuel Untermeyer. As Canfield intimates, Scofield’s theology was "most helpful in getting Fundamentalist Christians to back the international interest in one of Untermeyer’s pet projects – the Zionist Movement."

Others, however, have been more explicit about the nature of Scofield’s service to the Zionist agenda. In "Unjust War Theory: Christian Zionism and the Road to Jerusalem," Prof. David W. Lutz claims, "Untermeyer used Scofield, a Kansas city lawyer with no formal training in theology, to inject Zionist ideas into American Protestantism.

Untermeyer and other wealthy and influential Zionists whom he introduced to Scofield promoted and funded the latter’s career, including travel in Europe ."

Absent such powerful connections, it is hard to imagine "this peer among scalawags" ever getting a contract with Oxford University Press to publish his bible. Nevertheless, it remains a mystery why OUP chose to endorse such a sectarian work.


Atonement

If there had been no Scofield Bible, American presidents influenced by Christian Zionism, such as Truman, Johnson, Reagan and George W. Bush, would most likely have been less sympathetic to Israeli demands, and consequently more attentive to U.S. interests.

Moreover, the American people might have been spared the well-publicized pro-Israeli rants of John Hagee, Pat Robertson and the late Jerry Falwell, not to mention the lucrative End Times "prophecy" peddled by Hal Lindsey and Tim LaHaye.



But it is the people of the Middle East who have suffered most at the hands of an expansionist Israel, emboldened by the unswerving allegiance of America’s Christian Zionists, who were led to believe that Scofield’s words were God’s will.


continued

http://www.israelshamir.net/shamirReaders/english/Cathail--Scofield-Zionist-Bible.php

Germany persecuted the Jews. Look what happened to them.

kudzu
06-09-2018, 04:43 PM
Germany persecuted the Jews. Look what happened to them.

God bless them so much that 6 million of them were killed..

Are you an idiot?

Fentoine Lum
06-09-2018, 04:45 PM
Although much needless suffering has already been caused by the Scofield Bible, perhaps it’s not too late for Oxford University Press to publicly disavow its harmful book. Among its many victims are 3.5 million Palestinian refugees whose right to return is fervently opposed by Christian Zionists, who believe that the land belongs exclusively to "God’s chosen people."

At the very least, OUP could demonstrate remorse for its role in promoting ethnic cleansing by compensating those refugees with the considerable profits accrued over the past century from sales of its Zionist bible.

The world could have done much better without any of the male dominator god adherents and/or texts. Way too much "justification" for slaughter and plunder in all of them. Humankind really went astray it began to envision the creator in human form.

The Ugly Truth
06-09-2018, 04:45 PM
God bless them so much that 6 million of them were killed..

Are you an idiot?

God bless or curses the Jews based on their behavior. It's in the Bible. Look it up, idiot.

The Ugly Truth
06-09-2018, 04:47 PM
The world could have done much better without any of the male dominator god adherents and texts.

And atheist countries do so well. Don't they. Why don't you move N Korea?

Fentoine Lum
06-09-2018, 04:49 PM
God bless or curses the Jews based on their behavior. It's in the Bible. Look it up, idiot.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/TIKI-57-in-Kauai-Bamboo-Torch-1112478/204808790

Fentoine Lum
06-09-2018, 04:49 PM
And atheist countries do so well. Don't they. Why don't you move N Korea?

Pretty weak pard, really. Too close to home? Peruse the Papal Bulls of the 1500s calling for the extermination of the indigenous peoples of the Americas. Merely one example which you won't want to learn about. And won't.

kudzu
06-09-2018, 04:59 PM
God bless or curses the Jews based on their behavior. It's in the Bible. Look it up, idiot.


What do you think they did to deserve the Holocaust?

kudzu
06-09-2018, 05:01 PM
And atheist countries do so well. Don't they. Why don't you move N Korea?

The Scofield heresy comes from the Darbyites.. and they got it from the dream of a teen aged girl.

The Ugly Truth
06-09-2018, 05:09 PM
Pretty weak pard, really. Too close to home? Peruse the Papal Bulls of the 1500s calling for the extermination of the indigenous peoples of the Americas. Merely one example which you won't want to learn about. And won't.

Show me the Scripture that told them to do that.

The Ugly Truth
06-09-2018, 05:11 PM
The Scofield heresy comes from the Darbyites.. and they got it from the dream of a teen aged girl.

Trying to deflect again?

The Ugly Truth
06-09-2018, 05:11 PM
What do you think they did to deserve the Holocaust?

What didn't they do?

Jack
06-09-2018, 05:20 PM
What do you think they did to deserve the Holocaust?

I know! I know! Pick me! Pick me!

They killed Jesus. (and no, don't even try that old excuse about "it was the Romans, the Romans did it")

kudzu
06-09-2018, 05:28 PM
I know! I know! Pick me! Pick me!

They killed Jesus. (and no, don't even try that old excuse about "it was the Romans, the Romans did it")

LOLOL.. I'm afraid our friend is an idiot.

Fentoine Lum
06-09-2018, 05:31 PM
Show me the Scripture that told them to do that.

Some bullshit in Genesis

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,a and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,

in the image of God he created them;

male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Imagine the mindfuck of a religion like that based upon guilt, sin, and blame - and you're guilty just for getting born (original quilt/sin/blame), so you must submit to a male domantor God or burn in hell for eternity (fear/intimidation) and a religious power structure who tells you to wage war for the souls of the heathens (conquering the tribes of Europe for your God). And anyone who does not accept your religious views is a "heathen", a "savage", or today for some, a Muslim.

You easily recognize the madness when Muslims do it, you have a blind spot for other male dominator god religions doing the same throughout history and today, say in Gaza for example. You're merely a product of where your mother spread her legs to push you out, and you could have easily been Muslim were you born elsewhere given your lack of intellectual curiosity and willingness so swallow-n-follow group think. But hey, that's what religion and faith are for; so you won't wander off thinking on your own.

The problem for you here is that it is utterly irrelevant whether I show you a passage from the bible that you agree sanctioned those actions. The reality is that the Roman Catholic Church and all the other christian cults that came to North America found justification in scripture for doing what they did. Take it up with them, I don't see it there for them as an excuse either.

On that we agree.

The Ugly Truth
06-09-2018, 07:15 PM
Some bullshit in Genesis

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,a and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,

in the image of God he created them;

male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Imagine the mindfuck of a religion like that based upon guilt, sin, and blame - and you're guilty just for getting born (original quilt/sin/blame), so you must submit to a male domantor God or burn in hell for eternity (fear/intimidation) and a religious power structure who tells you to wage war for the souls of the heathens (conquering the tribes of Europe for your God). And anyone who does not accept your religious views is a "heathen", a "savage", or today for some, a Muslim.

You easily recognize the madness when Muslims do it, you have a blind spot for other male dominator god religions doing the same throughout history and today, say in Gaza for example. You're merely a product of where your mother spread her legs to push you out, and you could have easily been Muslim were you born elsewhere given your lack of intellectual curiosity and willingness so swallow-n-follow group think. But hey, that's what religion and faith are for; so you won't wander off thinking on your own.

The problem for you here is that it is utterly irrelevant whether I show you a passage from the bible that you agree sanctioned those actions. The reality is that the Roman Catholic Church and all the other christian cults that came to North America found justification in scripture for doing what they did. Take it up with them, I don't see it there for them as an excuse either.

On that we agree.

The Bible is not difficult to understand. Neither is God's will for our lives. He spelled it out for us. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and your neighbor as yourself. Any interpretation of Scripture that conflicts with that simple instruction is false.

Minister of Truth
06-09-2018, 07:54 PM
You easily recognize the madness when Muslims do it, you have a blind spot for other male dominator god religions doing the same throughout history and today, say in Gaza for example. You're merely a product of where your mother spread her legs to push you out, and you could have easily been Muslim were you born elsewhere given your lack of intellectual curiosity and willingness so swallow-n-follow group think. But hey, that's what religion and faith are for; so you won't wander off thinking on your own.


We have problems with Islam because, for nearly 14 centuries, it has attempted to defeat and conquer Western Civilization. So, we elevate it above many other world problems in our condemnation.

During the latter 20th Century, it was your ideology that threatened the free world, killing 150 million people in Russia and China, alone.

countryboy
06-09-2018, 08:50 PM
I know! I know! Pick me! Pick me!

They killed Jesus. (and no, don't even try that old excuse about "it was the Romans, the Romans did it")

I've never heard anyone suggest that. Is there a scriptural basis for this line of thinking?

Jack
06-10-2018, 01:35 AM
I've never heard anyone suggest that. Is there a scriptural basis for this line of thinking?

I think it more a 'historical basis'. In 'Christendom', Jews haven't fared well. (Course, the Pendulum has swung in the last hundred years or so)

Guno צְבִי
06-10-2018, 03:37 AM
God bless or curses the Jews based on their behavior. It's in the Bible. Look it up, idiot.

your goyim bible has been used to justify a lot of sick shit against Jews


http://jcpa.org/article/the-origins-of-christian-anti-semitism/

kudzu
06-10-2018, 03:40 AM
your goyim bible has been used to justify a lot of sick shit against Jews


http://jcpa.org/article/the-origins-of-christian-anti-semitism/

Did you know that Lord Balfour was an avid Christian Zionist?

Guno צְבִי
06-10-2018, 03:46 AM
Did you know that Lord Balfour was an avid Christian Zionist?

He was a lunatic as christer zionists are

kudzu
06-10-2018, 04:19 AM
He was a lunatic as christer zionists are

I agree........

PostmodernProphet
06-10-2018, 06:40 AM
http://jcpa.org/article/the-origins-of-christian-anti-semitism/

is this your primary source of your bigoted ideas?.....

PostmodernProphet
06-10-2018, 06:41 AM
Did you know that Lord Balfour was an avid Christian Zionist?

?????......more random stupidity.......random references to irrelevant information........do you ever post anything pertinent to the issue.......

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 06:43 AM
It's a Buy-Bull.
'Nuff said.

kudzu
06-10-2018, 06:52 AM
?????......more random stupidity.......random references to irrelevant information........do you ever post anything pertinent to the issue.......

Pity that you don't understand the relevance.

countryboy
06-10-2018, 07:58 AM
I think it more a 'historical basis'. In 'Christendom', Jews haven't fared well. (Course, the Pendulum has swung in the last hundred years or so)

Again, based on what? I also asked you for a scriptural basis for this line of thinking. You realize Christianity is based on scripture, right?

kudzu
06-10-2018, 08:02 AM
Again, based on what? I also asked you for a scriptural basis for this line of thinking. You realize Christianity is based on scripture, right?

Evangelical Christianity is based on the Scofield heresy which was designed to promote Zionism.

countryboy
06-10-2018, 08:10 AM
Evangelical Christianity is based on the Scofield heresy which was designed to promote Zionism.

Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I agree that Hagee and his ilk have done great harm to the salvation of mankind, but to claim that all of modern evangelical Christianity has it's roots in the word of faith movement, is ignorant in the extreme, at best. The entirety of modern evangelical Christianity aren't "Zionist".

Are you a Christian? Or even a believer?

RB 60
06-10-2018, 08:26 AM
Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I agree that Hagee and his ilk have done great harm to the salvation of mankind, but to claim that all of modern evangelical Christianity has it's roots in the word of faith movement, is ignorant in the extreme, at best. The entirety of modern evangelical Christianity aren't "Zionist".

Are you a Christian? Or even a believer?

kudzu is like a dog who barks just to hear itself bark. No rhyme, no reason, no understanding.

PostmodernProphet
06-10-2018, 10:03 AM
Pity that you don't understand the relevance.

its only relevant to your fantasies......

PostmodernProphet
06-10-2018, 10:04 AM
Evangelical Christianity is based on the Scofield heresy which was designed to promote Zionism.

bullshit.....

Fentoine Lum
06-10-2018, 12:01 PM
We have problems with Islam because, for nearly 14 centuries, it has attempted to defeat and conquer Western Civilization.


We have problems with "Islam" because the US' christio-fascist-capitalist class demands control over the natrual resources of the planet (their christian god gave them the planet to rule you know) and leverages our miltary/industrial complex (that Eisenhower warned us of long ago, way before the mass surveillance state came into being) in the application of institutionalized violence to secure control over said natural resources and to prop up the petro dollar.

You will note we seem to have no beef with the Wahabist Islamist Saudis who actually were involved in 9/11; we cannot sell enough arms to the beheading Saudi govt.

The reality of our relationships with various Islamists and Muslim national governments is shizophrenic.

We have also partnered with Saddam, Osama, al Qaida, al Nusra, and ISIS whenever it suits our empirical pursuits. Just kinda depends upon what our substantial people are up to at any given moment.

But that's a bit tougher to sell back home, so we do what america always does when trapped in it's own lies, we feed the masses another illusion.

kudzu
06-10-2018, 12:22 PM
Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I agree that Hagee and his ilk have done great harm to the salvation of mankind, but to claim that all of modern evangelical Christianity has it's roots in the word of faith movement, is ignorant in the extreme, at best. The entirety of modern evangelical Christianity aren't "Zionist".

Are you a Christian? Or even a believer?

I am Episcopalian who rejects the Scofield heresy which is the foundation of Evangelism. Do you believe in the Rapture? Do you believe there will be a third temple?

kudzu
06-10-2018, 12:23 PM
We have problems with "Islam" because the US' christio-fascist-capitalist class demands control over the natrual resources of the planet (their christian god gave them the planet to rule you know) and leverages our miltary/industrial complex (that Eisenhower warned us of long ago, way before the mass surveillance state came into being) in the application of institutionalized violence to secure control over said natural resources and to prop up the petro dollar.

You will note we seem to have no beef with the Wahabist Islamist Saudis who actually were involved in 9/11; we cannot sell enough arms to the beheading Saudi govt.

The reality of our relationships with various Islamists and Muslim national governments is shizophrenic.

We have also partnered with Saddam, Osama, al Qaida, al Nusra, and ISIS whenever it suits our empirical pursuits. Just kinda depends upon what our substantial people are up to at any given moment.

But that's a bit tougher to sell back home, so we do what america always does when trapped in it's own lies, we feed the masses another illusion.

Wahabbis were NOT involved in 9-11.. OBL was Deobandi and followed Sayiid Qubt.. That's why his citizenship was revoked in 1994.

Fentoine Lum
06-10-2018, 12:59 PM
Wahabbis were NOT involved in 9-11.. OBL was Deobandi and followed Sayiid Qubt.. That's why his citizenship was revoked in 1994.

How many Saudis on them TTT suicide planes pard?

kudzu
06-10-2018, 01:03 PM
How many Saudis on them TTT suicide planes pard?

No one is sure.. Six of them used false names and IDs to get US visas.

Muhammed Atta was not Wahhabi either.

leaningright
06-11-2018, 02:32 PM
I am Episcopalian who rejects the Scofield heresy which is the foundation of Evangelism. Do you believe in the Rapture? Do you believe there will be a third temple?

I believe the fact that we even have a nation of Israel in the Middle East nowadays is the misguided attempt of such zionists to try to help God out in 1948. Just look at the trouble that has caused.

kudzu
06-12-2018, 12:08 AM
How many Saudis on them TTT suicide planes pard?

We don't know.. We do know that six of them used fake IDs to get their visas.

kudzu
06-12-2018, 12:12 AM
I believe the fact that we even have a nation of Israel in the Middle East nowadays is the misguided attempt of such zionists to try to help God out in 1948. Just look at the trouble that has caused.

Lord Balfour was an ardent Christian Zionist..

American Zionists paid for the Scofield Bible to be written and published it.