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The Ugly Truth
06-08-2018, 08:10 AM
You're a clown who visits local children's hospitals, trying to bring a little joy into the lives of sick and dying children. One day, a 5 year old girl asks you if she will go to Heaven when she dies. What do you say to her?

Jack
06-08-2018, 08:26 AM
Tough call there. You could phrase it as 'Heaven', 'Level Two', 'the next life'. As an Agnostic, I'm not sure if your Spirit dies or 'moves on', I might phrase it as the 'next adventure'.

The Ugly Truth
06-08-2018, 08:59 AM
Tough call there. You could phrase it as 'Heaven', 'Level Two', 'the next life'. As an Agnostic, I'm not sure if your Spirit dies or 'moves on', I might phrase it as the 'next adventure'.

Wrong answer. The child wouldn't ask such a question if she didn't want to go to Heaven. So you tell her what she wants to hear. Personal beliefs aside, your first concern should be to comfort her.

Jack
06-08-2018, 09:04 AM
Wrong answer. The child wouldn't ask such a question if she didn't want to go to Heaven. So you tell her what she wants to hear. Personal beliefs aside, your first concern should be to comfort her.

"One day, a 5 year old girl asks you if she will go to Heaven when she dies."

hahahaha ... this was the question YOU posed. I gave MY response to YOUR question.

christiefan915
06-08-2018, 09:32 AM
You're a clown who visits local children's hospitals, trying to bring a little joy into the lives of sick and dying children. One day, a 5 year old girl asks you if she will go to Heaven when she dies. What do you say to her?

You tell her yes, she will be escorted by angels and Jesus will welcome her with open arms. She doesn't need a philosophical argument on her deathbed.

Phantasmal
06-08-2018, 09:46 AM
You're a clown who visits local children's hospitals, trying to bring a little joy into the lives of sick and dying children. One day, a 5 year old girl asks you if she will go to Heaven when she dies. What do you say to her?
You will become star dust. You are energy and your life force will continue because energy is neither created nor destroyed.

Phantasmal
06-08-2018, 09:48 AM
Tough call there. You could phrase it as 'Heaven', 'Level Two', 'the next life'. As an Agnostic, I'm not sure if your Spirit dies or 'moves on', I might phrase it as the 'next adventure'.
You use science, it already has the answer for her.

Jack
06-08-2018, 09:54 AM
You use science, it already has the answer for her.

Like someone else said, a 5 y/o on her death bed might not want to know about 'science'.

Like ... let's say you ask your husband: "Do these pants make my ass look fat?"
You, I'm just guessing here, my not want to hear the 'science' ? :(

bhaktajan
06-08-2018, 12:30 PM
The Non-atheist knows to say:

You, me, and everyone that ever existed or ever will in future are all each individual individuals.
Each soul is indivisable and pervades the entire body, it is indestructible,
No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul,
for the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time,
the soul has not come into being, does not come into being,
and will not come into being. the soul is unborn, eternal,
ever-existing and primeval, the soul is not die when the body dies,
the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable
the soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon,
nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water,
nor withered by the wind, the individual soul is unbreakable
and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried,
the soul is everlasting, unchangeable, immovable and
eternally the unchanged.

The temporal false-ego = the ego garnered via the particular birth. Such a temporal false-ego exists for the span of the life time. The body withers but the conscious life-force [the soul --atma, in sanskrit] continues to another birth ---thus lossing all of its Identity to the dust of time; and then to re-start another life-time . . . as per the Karma-phalam (fruits of actions/works) from the last lifetime. Scripture says that all facilities are accorded to all species without prejudice ---you get a future birth mechanically as per the stratum of cultivated sensibilities that "were remembered at the time of death".

Personal relationships, work skills, wealth, social status are all lost ---and the future birth is determined by the culmination of past works/the final thoughts at the time of death/life-long cultivated desires.

At death, unless one is informed of absolute truths (or that which approximate such absolute truths) one is destined fro repeated "relative" existence of striving to enjoy sans (without) ultimate purpose.

All past associations are lost upon a material body's death ---freeing it up to pursue any available future birth without overt effort ---as per the qualification of the souls level of cultivated sophistication.

bhaktajan
06-08-2018, 12:36 PM
**simply by understanding the transcendental nature of the body and activities of the Lord, attains the abode of the Lord after ending this body and does not run the risk of returning to this material world.**

"One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode"

One who can understand the truth of the appearance of the Personality of Godhead is already liberated from material bondage, and therefore he returns to the kingdom of God immediately after quitting this present material body. Such liberation of the living entity from material bondage is not at all easy. The impersonalists and the yogīs attain liberation only after much trouble and many, many births. Even then, the liberation they achieve – merging into the impersonal brahma-jyotir of the Lord – is only partial, and there is the risk of returning to this material world. But the devotee, simply by understanding the transcendental nature of the body and activities of the Lord, attains the abode of the Lord after ending this body and does not run the risk of returning to this material world.

Although there are many transcendental forms of the Lord, they are still one and the same Supreme Personality of Godhead. One has to understand this fact with conviction, although it is incomprehensible to mundane scholars and empiric philosophers.

As stated in the Vedas (Puruṣa-bodhinī Upaniṣad):
“The one Supreme Personality of Godhead is eternally engaged in many, many transcendental forms in relationships with His unalloyed devotees.”

Simply by accepting this truth on faith, one can, without a doubt, attain liberation.
Anyone who understands “You are the same Supreme Brahman, the Personality of Godhead,” is certainly liberated instantly,
and consequently his entrance into the transcendental association of the Lord is guaranteed.

Frank Apisa
06-08-2018, 12:50 PM
You're a clown who visits local children's hospitals, trying to bring a little joy into the lives of sick and dying children. One day, a 5 year old girl asks you if she will go to Heaven when she dies. What do you say to her?

Well, I am not an atheist, but if it were a 5 year old girl on her death bed or a 60 year old man...I suspect most atheists and agnostics would say what would most likely comfort a person near death asking that question.

"Yes, of course god is going to take you to into heaven."

I imagine YOU would say, "Yes, you will go into Heaven...unless you have offended GOD...in which case you will be sent to Hell to suffer unimaginable torture for all of eternity."

FUCK THE POLICE
06-08-2018, 05:02 PM
I would throw her out the window.

USFREEDOM911
06-08-2018, 05:46 PM
You're a clown who visits local children's hospitals, trying to bring a little joy into the lives of sick and dying children. One day, a 5 year old girl asks you if she will go to Heaven when she dies. What do you say to her?

You ask her if she thinks she'll go to Heaven; because she obviously believes in Heaven and is just looking for acknowledgement.

USFREEDOM911
06-08-2018, 05:48 PM
The Non-atheist knows to say:

You, me, and everyone that ever existed or ever will in future are all each individual individuals.
Each soul is indivisable and pervades the entire body, it is indestructible,
No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul,
for the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time,
the soul has not come into being, does not come into being,
and will not come into being. the soul is unborn, eternal,
ever-existing and primeval, the soul is not die when the body dies,
the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable
the soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon,
nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water,
nor withered by the wind, the individual soul is unbreakable
and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried,
the soul is everlasting, unchangeable, immovable and
eternally the unchanged.

The temporal false-ego = the ego garnered via the particular birth. Such a temporal false-ego exists for the span of the life time. The body withers but the conscious life-force [the soul --atma, in sanskrit] continues to another birth ---thus lossing all of its Identity to the dust of time; and then to re-start another life-time . . . as per the Karma-phalam (fruits of actions/works) from the last lifetime. Scripture says that all facilities are accorded to all species without prejudice ---you get a future birth mechanically as per the stratum of cultivated sensibilities that "were remembered at the time of death".

Personal relationships, work skills, wealth, social status are all lost ---and the future birth is determined by the culmination of past works/the final thoughts at the time of death/life-long cultivated desires.

At death, unless one is informed of absolute truths (or that which approximate such absolute truths) one is destined fro repeated "relative" existence of striving to enjoy sans (without) ultimate purpose.

All past associations are lost upon a material body's death ---freeing it up to pursue any available future birth without overt effort ---as per the qualification of the souls level of cultivated sophistication.

So basically the atheist is going to talk her to death. :palm:

Phantasmal
06-08-2018, 05:49 PM
Like someone else said, a 5 y/o on her death bed might not want to know about 'science'.

Like ... let's say you ask your husband: "Do these pants make my ass look fat?"
You, I'm just guessing here, my not want to hear the 'science' ? :(
I don’t ask my husband questions like that. I can look in a mirror and determine myself if the pants make me look fat.

BRUTALITOPS
06-08-2018, 05:58 PM
Perhaps I would lie. I don’t know. But the point is I would be lying.

BRUTALITOPS
06-08-2018, 06:01 PM
Tough call there. You could phrase it as 'Heaven', 'Level Two', 'the next life'. As an Agnostic, I'm not sure if your Spirit dies or 'moves on', I might phrase it as the 'next adventure'.

You are either a pussy atheist or a pussy theist. There is no such thing as “an agnostic” because being agnostic is an adjective, not a noun, and pussies like you have bastardized this concept. One can be an agnostic theist or be a “gnostic atheist”

its like saying you you are a blue. A blue what? A blue car? A smurf?

Fentoine Lum
06-08-2018, 06:02 PM
You're a clown who visits local children's hospitals, trying to bring a little joy into the lives of sick and dying children. One day, a 5 year old girl asks you if she will go to Heaven when she dies. What do you say to her?

Rejoice! Your male dominator God gave you dominion over the earth, all the earth's creatures, plants, animals and all you survey, including humans who are not of your faith.

This IS your heaven.

USFREEDOM911
06-08-2018, 06:03 PM
Perhaps I would lie. I don’t know. But the point is I would be lying.

I think when it comes to children who are dying; that most people would say what ever they think will bring the child comfort, regardless of their own personal beliefs or ideas.

Fentoine Lum
06-08-2018, 06:05 PM
You tell her yes, she will be escorted by angels and Jesus will welcome her with open arms. She doesn't need a philosophical argument on her deathbed.

We don't do it anytime up to that point either, really. That's what believing is all about.

Phantasmal
06-08-2018, 06:07 PM
You are either a pussy atheist or a pussy theist. There is no such thing as “an agnostic” because being agnostic is an adjective, not a noun, and pussies like you have bastardized this concept. One can be an agnostic theist or be a “gnostic atheist”

its like saying you you are a blue. A blue what? A blue car? A smurf?

Why does it have to be black or white with you? Why can’t it be, “I don’t know and I just live my life because it doesn’t have a bearing on my existence”? That is agnosticism to me, it is t pussy at all, it’s simply stating I don’t have enough evidence.

Fentoine Lum
06-08-2018, 06:08 PM
I think when it comes to children who are dying; that most people would say what ever they think will bring the child comfort, regardless of their own personal beliefs or ideas.

Believing is the purposeful suspension of critical thinking, perhaps this is a conservatve gambler kinda angle, why not, can't hurt.

And sometimes that turns out ok.

Fentoine Lum
06-08-2018, 06:10 PM
Why does it have to be black or white with you? Why can’t it be, “I don’t know and I just live my life because it doesn’t have a bearing on my existence”? That is agnosticism to me, it is t pussy at all, it’s simply stating I don’t have enough evidence.

" Why can’t it be, “I don’t know and I just live my life because it doesn’t have a bearing on my existence”? "

Because you cannot be allowed to wander off on your own like that. Remember how we started this thing here, and The Inquisition.

If you're independent and coherent you're a threat.

Jack
06-08-2018, 06:29 PM
You are either a pussy atheist or a pussy theist. There is no such thing as “an agnostic” because being agnostic is an adjective, not a noun, and pussies like you have bastardized this concept. One can be an agnostic theist or be a “gnostic atheist”

its like saying you you are a blue. A blue what? A blue car? A smurf?

Thank you for your thoughtful post. I will give you MY thoughts on the term.

My interpretation of 'Theist' is someone that believes in God/Gods.
My interpretation of 'Atheist' is someone that denies God/Gods exist.
My interpretation of 'Agnostic' is someone that can't prove either God/Gods exist or God/Gods don't exist. And really doesn't care, and usually has an Epicurean attitude about God/Gods (if there are God/Gods, they don't interact with humans).

My view is more an Epicurean view, I plan on living THIS life to the Max, and IF there is a 'Level 2', I plan on living THAT life to the Max. And if there is a 'Level 3' ... you get the idea.

Jack
06-08-2018, 06:39 PM
Why does it have to be black or white with you? Why can’t it be, “I don’t know and I just live my life because it doesn’t have a bearing on my existence”? That is agnosticism to me, it is t pussy at all, it’s simply stating I don’t have enough evidence.

1. I think Irthriuth is just fucking with us.
2. The view of Epicures was that IF there were Gods, they would be hanging out with other Gods and NOT hanging out with lowly humans. Epicures was probably an Atheist, but to avoid the Authorities' wrath, framed it as that. His view was to enjoy Life. I think he lived around 400 BC.

Jack
06-08-2018, 06:41 PM
" Why can’t it be, “I don’t know and I just live my life because it doesn’t have a bearing on my existence”? "

Because you cannot be allowed to wander off on your own like that. Remember how we started this thing here, and The Inquisition.

If you're independent and coherent you're a threat.

Fentoine Lum. Glad to see you have re-appeared. The Man, ... always tries to decapitate the head of the snake. Glad you're back. :)

Leonthecat
06-08-2018, 06:45 PM
I would ask her, how does she think a clown would answer such a silly question?

I wouldn't lie to a dying child.

Fentoine Lum
06-08-2018, 06:45 PM
Fentoine Lum. Glad to see you have re-appeared. The Man, ... always tries to decapitate the head of the snake. Glad you're back. :)

They put me in the hole fer a bit, pfffffffffffffft, wtfever mang, someone's feelings got hurt. Kinda hard to not swing elbows when it seems everyone else is. The lines are squishy, anyway, thanks.

domer76
06-08-2018, 06:49 PM
You're a clown who visits local children's hospitals, trying to bring a little joy into the lives of sick and dying children. One day, a 5 year old girl asks you if she will go to Heaven when she dies. What do you say to her?

You lie and tell her yes.

domer76
06-08-2018, 07:27 PM
1. I think Irthriuth is just fucking with us.
2. The view of Epicures was that IF there were Gods, they would be hanging out with other Gods and NOT hanging out with lowly humans. Epicures was probably an Atheist, but to avoid the Authorities' wrath, framed it as that. His view was to enjoy Life. I think he lived around 400 BC.

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

Epicurus

Phantasmal
06-08-2018, 07:34 PM
1. I think Irthriuth is just fucking with us.
2. The view of Epicures was that IF there were Gods, they would be hanging out with other Gods and NOT hanging out with lowly humans. Epicures was probably an Atheist, but to avoid the Authorities' wrath, framed it as that. His view was to enjoy Life. I think he lived around 400 BC.
Yes, he trolls

bhaktajan
06-08-2018, 08:26 PM
So basically the atheist is going to talk her to death. :palm:
Yes especially during the moment of passage ---Chant loudly the Hollowed Name of God.


Funny, When I see those TV St Jude's Children's Hospital and the little kids testify...I think to me self...oi get away from those doctors!!! But how???
A Hospital is a Hospice!

bhaktajan
06-08-2018, 08:27 PM
You are either a pussy atheist or a pussy theist. There is no such thing as “an agnostic” because being agnostic is an adjective, not a noun, and pussies like you have bastardized this concept. One can be an agnostic theist or be a “gnostic atheist”

its like saying you you are a blue. A blue what? A blue car? A smurf?

So the ABSOLUTE TRUTH is a "Persona"?

ThatOwlWoman
06-08-2018, 08:36 PM
You're a clown who visits local children's hospitals, trying to bring a little joy into the lives of sick and dying children. One day, a 5 year old girl asks you if she will go to Heaven when she dies. What do you say to her?

I would hug her and talk with her about what her mom and dad say about that, and take it from there.

Irish Exit
06-08-2018, 08:38 PM
You're a clown who visits local children's hospitals, trying to bring a little joy into the lives of sick and dying children. One day, a 5 year old girl asks you if she will go to Heaven when she dies. What do you say to her?

"Darling, you are not going to die."

ThatOwlWoman
06-08-2018, 08:39 PM
I don’t ask my husband questions like that. I can look in a mirror and determine myself if the pants make me look fat.

But this is Katrina Jack, you see, who is intensely interested in both your ass, how he can best talk about it publicly and in the most filthy way possible, and manage to drag your marriage and husband into it as well. This is just a shot across the bow. lol

BRUTALITOPS
06-08-2018, 09:34 PM
Why does it have to be black or white with you? Why can’t it be, “I don’t know and I just live my life because it doesn’t have a bearing on my existence”? That is agnosticism to me, it is t pussy at all, it’s simply stating I don’t have enough evidence.

you are arguing on two fronts. First was just a language argument I made, the second was the pussy argument. So I assume you are basically addressing the ladder.

Here is the thing rana, if you met someone that like never had human contact and you asked them the question on gods existence, you may very well have a point. But you are ignoring a whole swath of context regarding how culturally embedded humanity is with religion. Claiming to be "an agnostic" (or "an blue".. as some on JPP would like to prefer to call themselves) is doing so within that context that I described, and it is cowardly. People deep down have had enough experience and world-living to have a true conclusion on the matter, they just don't want to admit it out loud, or want to lie to children, or be a secret atheist without any of the blow back ("hey dont worry guys.. either side has merit!").

The reason it is a cowardly choice is because it is ONLY WITH RELIGION that people to claim this agnostic set of beliefs and looking at the world. Are you an agnostic when it comes to santa clause? Why not? I am sure you might say something to the effect of "Well I know that I actually bought presents for my kids, it's obviously made up"

But how would you REALLY KNOW that? Maybe santa clause is real and he alters your memory to make you just THINK you bought presents for your kids, but really he was actually going around the world with flying reindeer, swooping down chimneys, and knows the heart and mind of every christian kid in the world? Why can't you be agnostic on that? Is this really any more fanciful thinking than believing in a man that watches over all of us, knows all 7 billion people, has a place called heaven where "good" people chill for all eternity when their "soul" is sucked out of their body?

If someone were to claim to be a leprechaun agnostic or a santa clause agnostic you'd see them as the retard they are. Only religion seems to get this absurd deference where you can't say for sure that god isn't real. Even though we all the time say fairies aren't real, underground mole people aren't real, and unicorns aren't real. God is no different.

The magic and fanciful thinking that goes along with santa, or the belief in fairies, or leprechauns, is the exact same as god. But you'll notice an interesting pattern, every time someone claims to be an agnostic when it comes to religious matters, is never an agnostic on all the other things I listed. Those things are "obviously false." Why not the same standard with all magical, non falsifiable claims? Because AGNOSTICS ARE COWARDS, and they have ULTERIOR MOTIVES.

BRUTALITOPS
06-08-2018, 09:35 PM
" Why can’t it be, “I don’t know and I just live my life because it doesn’t have a bearing on my existence”? "

Because you cannot be allowed to wander off on your own like that. Remember how we started this thing here, and The Inquisition.

If you're independent and coherent you're a threat.

lol so people that are holding on to the notions of thousands year old desert dwellers are the true free thinkers. lol

USFREEDOM911
06-08-2018, 09:40 PM
Believing is the purposeful suspension of critical thinking, perhaps this is a conservatve gambler kinda angle, why not, can't hurt.

And sometimes that turns out ok.

I disagree with your assessment and conclusion; because it is not the suspension of critical thinking and requires critical thinking, instead of needing everything spelled out in black and white.

BRUTALITOPS
06-08-2018, 09:40 PM
Thank you for your thoughtful post. I will give you MY thoughts on the term.

My interpretation of 'Theist' is someone that believes in God/Gods.
My interpretation of 'Atheist' is someone that denies God/Gods exist.
My interpretation of 'Agnostic' is someone that can't prove either God/Gods exist or God/Gods don't exist. And really doesn't care, and usually has an Epicurean attitude about God/Gods (if there are God/Gods, they don't interact with humans).

My view is more an Epicurean view, I plan on living THIS life to the Max, and IF there is a 'Level 2', I plan on living THAT life to the Max. And if there is a 'Level 3' ... you get the idea.


agnostic literally means "without knowledge", it has nothing to do with proof.

are you a unicorn agnostic? is this how you describe yourself in general society? a leprechaun agnostic? I am not being facetious.

The concept of god is non falsifiable. If you are an agnostic on god you pretty much have to be an agnostic on everything in the universe that may have even the slimiest possibility of existing. That's ridiculous. At some point, there is enough evidence, enough better explanations for our world and existence, that the concept of god is entirely redundant and not useful. The only reason you are "agnostic" is because of living in a world where you have been indoctrinated to give a higher level of accordance to a particular set of fanciful beliefs. You think you are being reasonable and middle road, but really you are entirely brainwashed.

USFREEDOM911
06-08-2018, 09:41 PM
I would ask her, how does she think a clown would answer such a silly question?

I wouldn't lie to a dying child.

So you would take a concerned and scared child and instead of easing her fears and worries, you would just tell her to suck it up and deal with it.

:facepalm:

USFREEDOM911
06-08-2018, 09:48 PM
They put me in the hole fer a bit, pfffffffffffffft, wtfever mang, someone's feelings got hurt. Kinda hard to not swing elbows when it seems everyone else is. The lines are squishy, anyway, thanks.

YEAH, that's it!!

After making the comment you did in post #212 @ https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?95127-Nearly-40-Shot-In-3-Days-In-Chicago&p=2359220#post2359220; I wouldn't suggest making lite of it, because the next time in may be permanent.

By the way, the lines aren't "squishy"; because they're spelled out in the rules, very clearly.

USFREEDOM911
06-08-2018, 09:49 PM
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

Epicurus

Free will!!!

USFREEDOM911
06-08-2018, 09:50 PM
Yes especially during the moment of passage ---Chant loudly the Hollowed Name of God.


Funny, When I see those TV St Jude's Children's Hospital and the little kids testify...I think to me self...oi get away from those doctors!!! But how???
A Hospital is a Hospice!

What does your reply have to do with the my comment on what was said in the post I replied to?? :dunno:

USFREEDOM911
06-08-2018, 09:52 PM
you are arguing on two fronts. First was just a language argument I made, the second was the pussy argument. So I assume you are basically addressing the ladder.

Here is the thing rana, if you met someone that like never had human contact and you asked them the question on gods existence, you may very well have a point. But you are ignoring a whole swath of context regarding how culturally embedded humanity is with religion. Claiming to be "an agnostic" (or "an blue".. as some on JPP would like to prefer to call themselves) is doing so within that context that I described, and it is cowardly. People deep down have had enough experience and world-living to have a true conclusion on the matter, they just don't want to admit it out loud, or want to lie to children, or be a secret atheist without any of the blow back ("hey dont worry guys.. either side has merit!").

The reason it is a cowardly choice is because it is ONLY WITH RELIGION that people to claim this agnostic set of beliefs and looking at the world. Are you an agnostic when it comes to santa clause? Why not? I am sure you might say something to the effect of "Well I know that I actually bought presents for my kids, it's obviously made up"

But how would you REALLY KNOW that? Maybe santa clause is real and he alters your memory to make you just THINK you bought presents for your kids, but really he was actually going around the world with flying reindeer, swooping down chimneys, and knows the heart and mind of every christian kid in the world? Why can't you be agnostic on that? Is this really any more fanciful thinking than believing in a man that watches over all of us, knows all 7 billion people, has a place called heaven where "good" people chill for all eternity when their "soul" is sucked out of their body?

If someone were to claim to be a leprechaun agnostic or a santa clause agnostic you'd see them as the retard they are. Only religion seems to get this absurd deference where you can't say for sure that god isn't real. Even though we all the time say fairies aren't real, underground mole people aren't real, and unicorns aren't real. God is no different.

The magic and fanciful thinking that goes along with santa, or the belief in fairies, or leprechauns, is the exact same as god. But you'll notice an interesting pattern, every time someone claims to be an agnostic when it comes to religious matters, is never an agnostic on all the other things I listed. Those things are "obviously false." Why not the same standard with all magical, non falsifiable claims? Because AGNOSTICS ARE COWARDS, and they have ULTERIOR MOTIVES.

:hand:BRAVO:hand:BRAVO:hand:

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06-08-2018, 10:03 PM
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Jack
06-08-2018, 10:50 PM
agnostic literally means "without knowledge", it has nothing to do with proof.

are you a unicorn agnostic? is this how you describe yourself in general society? a leprechaun agnostic? I am not being facetious.

The concept of god is non falsifiable. If you are an agnostic on god you pretty much have to be an agnostic on everything in the universe that may have even the slimiest possibility of existing. That's ridiculous. At some point, there is enough evidence, enough better explanations for our world and existence, that the concept of god is entirely redundant and not useful. The only reason you are "agnostic" is because of living in a world where you have been indoctrinated to give a higher level of accordance to a particular set of fanciful beliefs. You think you are being reasonable and middle road, but really you are entirely brainwashed.

"The Big Book of Near Death Experiences". Tells about people 'dying', their experience, and their thoughts on being brought back to life. I thought it was interesting. Thought it was some brain reaction to the dying process, even though there were numerous examples of people 'seeing' things it was impossible for them to have seen.
Anyway, I'm not a Christian, you probably are and think others have been 'brainwashed' like you had been. That's not my upbringing baggage. I've been a skeptic ever since Kindergarten. When I say 'Agnostic' I'm not referring to some guy with a beard and wild hair looking like Zeus, I'm referring to 'The Unknown'.

Does the 'Soul', 'Spirit' survive, or does it vanish, like the physical body? I can't answer that question.

Short Story.
My wife died 5 years ago (heart attack). She was in this room going through some procedure when she died, I rushed in about 15 minutes after she died. I talked to her, said all the things I should have said but never did. I noticed in the right hand corner of the room her face and upper torso, smiling a radiant smile as though she was the happiest person in the world. Now, this was like this book had talked about "right hand side, in upper corner", so I thought I was just subconsciously thinking this. When I finally had enough courage to look directly at her, she wasn't there. I asked her "Stay with me Baby, never leave me". She said "I'll come back and visit". This wasn't really what I thought she would say if I was just subconsciously 'thinking' this. I figure she would say "I'll be with you forever" or some bullshit like that. Saying she would "Come back and visit" really made more sense. So, in my peripheral vision, she was there, a golden radiant smiling entity, smiling pure happiness, for about 15 minutes. I stayed with her for about an hour, until around midnight. I never saw her 'radiance' again.

So, bottom line ... the Spirit or Soul ... may continue to exist in my mind. Her body doesn't. It was cremated and rests in her Flower Garden in front on my house, I walk past it every day.
At night, I look into the Stars and hope she is there, with her ancestors.

"agnostic literally means "without knowledge", it has nothing to do with proof."
That's why I usually refer to myself as 'Agnostic'. I acknowledge I have no proof as to what happens after dearth.

Leonthecat
06-09-2018, 12:26 AM
So you would take a concerned and scared child and instead of easing her fears and worries, you would just tell her to suck it up and deal with it.

:facepalm:

It would be immoral to lie to her.
You would lie to her.

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 12:32 AM
It would be immoral to lie to her.
You would lie to her.

What's immoral is being such a shit head that you care more about your own beliefs, instead of easing her fears.

Plus, prove it's a lie.

Leonthecat
06-09-2018, 12:47 AM
What's immoral is being such a shit head that you care more about your own beliefs, instead of easing her fears.

Plus, prove it's a lie.

Would you confirm the expectations of a dying atheist child?
No, you would lie to them as well.
You live to lie.

You want me to prove that a fairytale is a fairytale?
Meh.

Controlled Opposition
06-09-2018, 12:50 AM
I would mind my own business. The only way to find out is to die. I would tell the child that I just don't know the answer.

Leonthecat
06-09-2018, 01:07 AM
I would mind my own business. The only way to find out is to die. I would tell the child that I just don't know the answer.

You know.

Controlled Opposition
06-09-2018, 01:26 AM
You know.

Care to elaborate? Do you know what happens on dying? Or are you suggesting that I should lie to a dying child?

Leonthecat
06-09-2018, 01:31 AM
Care to elaborate? Do you know what happens on dying? Or are you suggesting that I should lie to a dying child?

You are too smart to entertain magical fairy tales.

The "I don't know" line is a copout.

Controlled Opposition
06-09-2018, 01:37 AM
You are too smart to entertain magical fairy tales.

The "I don't know" line is a copout.

I am a Taoist, and I don't entertain fairy tales. But I don't pretend to know what happens upon death. I don't believe in lying to dying people.

Either there is nothing, or one is off on a brand new adventure. I suspect it is the former.

I won't even bother with your arrogance. No "copout" is involved. Do people still say copout?

Frank Apisa
06-09-2018, 03:11 AM
You are either a pussy atheist or a pussy theist. There is no such thing as “an agnostic” because being agnostic is an adjective, not a noun, and pussies like you have bastardized this concept. One can be an agnostic theist or be a “gnostic atheist”

its like saying you you are a blue. A blue what? A blue car? A smurf?

Who the fuck are you to declare there is no such thing as an agnostic?

You can stick your fucking atheism label up your ass?

In the meantime...if you are saying that there are no gods...or that it is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one god...you are doing what theists do...

...blindly guessing about the true nature of the REALITY of existence.

Frank Apisa
06-09-2018, 03:15 AM
You lie and tell her yes.

Are you saying that if you answer "yes"...YOU KNOW that to be a lie???

Frank Apisa
06-09-2018, 03:17 AM
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

Epicurus

If Epicurus actually wrote that crap, Epicurus was a jerk. At least as much a jerk as the people who wrote crap that results in, "therefore there is a GOD."

Why make any of those assumptions that form the predicates of those sentences?

Frank Apisa
06-09-2018, 03:19 AM
you are arguing on two fronts. First was just a language argument I made, the second was the pussy argument. So I assume you are basically addressing the ladder.

Here is the thing rana, if you met someone that like never had human contact and you asked them the question on gods existence, you may very well have a point. But you are ignoring a whole swath of context regarding how culturally embedded humanity is with religion. Claiming to be "an agnostic" (or "an blue".. as some on JPP would like to prefer to call themselves) is doing so within that context that I described, and it is cowardly. People deep down have had enough experience and world-living to have a true conclusion on the matter, they just don't want to admit it out loud, or want to lie to children, or be a secret atheist without any of the blow back ("hey dont worry guys.. either side has merit!").

The reason it is a cowardly choice is because it is ONLY WITH RELIGION that people to claim this agnostic set of beliefs and looking at the world. Are you an agnostic when it comes to santa clause? Why not? I am sure you might say something to the effect of "Well I know that I actually bought presents for my kids, it's obviously made up"

But how would you REALLY KNOW that? Maybe santa clause is real and he alters your memory to make you just THINK you bought presents for your kids, but really he was actually going around the world with flying reindeer, swooping down chimneys, and knows the heart and mind of every christian kid in the world? Why can't you be agnostic on that? Is this really any more fanciful thinking than believing in a man that watches over all of us, knows all 7 billion people, has a place called heaven where "good" people chill for all eternity when their "soul" is sucked out of their body?

If someone were to claim to be a leprechaun agnostic or a santa clause agnostic you'd see them as the retard they are. Only religion seems to get this absurd deference where you can't say for sure that god isn't real. Even though we all the time say fairies aren't real, underground mole people aren't real, and unicorns aren't real. God is no different.

The magic and fanciful thinking that goes along with santa, or the belief in fairies, or leprechauns, is the exact same as god. But you'll notice an interesting pattern, every time someone claims to be an agnostic when it comes to religious matters, is never an agnostic on all the other things I listed. Those things are "obviously false." Why not the same standard with all magical, non falsifiable claims? Because AGNOSTICS ARE COWARDS, and they have ULTERIOR MOTIVES.

Who the fuck are YOU to call people who consider themselves agnostic on the questions of whether there are gods or not...to be cowards?

Only a horse's ass would do that.

Frank Apisa
06-09-2018, 03:20 AM
lol so people that are holding on to the notions of thousands year old desert dwellers are the true free thinkers. lol

I'd debate you on this question while doing a difficult word puzzle!

Leonthecat
06-09-2018, 03:34 AM
I am a Taoist, and I don't entertain fairy tales. But I don't pretend to know what happens upon death. I don't believe in lying to dying people.

Either there is nothing, or one is off on a brand new adventure. I suspect it is the former.

I won't even bother with your arrogance. No "copout" is involved. Do people still say copout?

https://www.google.com/search?q=copout&oq=copout&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

You know it is the former and you are too noncommittal to acknowledge it.
I suspect you have someone in your life who believes in magical beings and afterlife fantasies, and you are afraid of hurting their feelings if you told what you really think, so you pretend you don't know.
It's not uncommon.
Facts don't care about anyone's feelings.

domer76
06-09-2018, 05:02 AM
Are you saying that if you answer "yes"...YOU KNOW that to be a lie???

Yep.

domer76
06-09-2018, 05:07 AM
If Epicurus actually wrote that crap, Epicurus was a jerk. At least as much a jerk as the people who wrote crap that results in, "therefore there is a GOD."

Why make any of those assumptions that form the predicates of those sentences?

Frank,

Go ahead and defend your logic against his. Try it line by line.

The Christisn god is supposedly omniscient, omnibenevolent and omnipotent. Like it or not, Epicurus destroys that concept.

BRUTALITOPS
06-09-2018, 05:41 AM
Who the fuck are you to declare there is no such thing as an agnostic?

You can stick your fucking atheism label up your ass?

In the meantime...if you are saying that there are no gods...or that it is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one god...you are doing what theists do...

...blindly guessing about the true nature of the REALITY of existence.

who the fuck am I? I'm grind, and I know shit.

calling oneself an agnostic is fucking stupid. you can be an agnostic atheist, a gnostic atheist, an agnostic christian, or a gnostic christian. so when one calls themselves an agnostic, they are demonstrating how dumb they are.

BRUTALITOPS
06-09-2018, 05:41 AM
Who the fuck are YOU to call people who consider themselves agnostic on the questions of whether there are gods or not...to be cowards?

Only a horse's ass would do that.

stay butthurt

Althea
06-09-2018, 05:53 AM
You're a clown who visits local children's hospitals, trying to bring a little joy into the lives of sick and dying children. One day, a 5 year old girl asks you if she will go to Heaven when she dies. What do you say to her?
Ask her what her vision of heaven is

Frank Apisa
06-09-2018, 06:17 AM
Yep.

Dormer...think that out.

Stop doing what the theists do...making blind guesses and asserting them as facts.

You do not good for reason when you do that.

Frank Apisa
06-09-2018, 06:20 AM
Frank,

Go ahead and defend your logic against his. Try it line by line.

The Christisn god is supposedly omniscient, omnibenevolent and omnipotent. Like it or not, Epicurus destroys that concept.

The meme is childish and self-serving...even more childish and self-serving as the proof of Aquinas.

iolo
06-09-2018, 06:23 AM
You're a clown who visits local children's hospitals, trying to bring a little joy into the lives of sick and dying children. One day, a 5 year old girl asks you if she will go to Heaven when she dies. What do you say to her?

'You'll get a good sleep and no-one will ever bully, punish or spite you any more.'

Frank Apisa
06-09-2018, 06:26 AM
who the fuck am I? I'm grind, and I know shit.

calling oneself an agnostic is fucking stupid. you can be an agnostic atheist, a gnostic atheist, an agnostic christian, or a gnostic christian. so when one calls themselves an agnostic, they are demonstrating how dumb they are.

You are a jerk-off...although it is interesting to understand that you are "the grind" so many people laugh at here in this forum.

Your first point was that if you answered "yes" (you said you might) you would be lying. So...you are pretending you know there is not "heaven."

There may be. Your blind guess that there isn't is of no more value than the blind guess of a theist who says that there is.

Your second point was that "agnostic" was an adjective...not a noun.

Quote from a standard dictionary that does not show agnostic as a NOUN as well as an adjective. And in most cases, the dictionary will show "noun" as the primary part of speech.

Frank Apisa
06-09-2018, 06:27 AM
stay butthurt

You are as ugly in being as your avatar.

If anyone is "butthurt" it is you, not I.

I'm just having a bit of fun.

domer76
06-09-2018, 06:38 AM
Dormer...think that out.

Stop doing what the theists do...making blind guesses and asserting them as facts.

You do not good for reason when you do that.

Frank, it’s merely a hypothetical. Do I believe I’m lying when I tell a five year old she’s going to heaven? Yep.

I’m also lying when I tell her about the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. So, where’s the harm?

domer76
06-09-2018, 06:40 AM
The meme is childish and self-serving...even more childish and self-serving as the proof of Aquinas.

Don’t answer the points it challenges then.

Frank Apisa
06-09-2018, 06:48 AM
Frank, it’s merely a hypothetical. Do I believe I’m lying when I tell a five year old she’s going to heaven? Yep.

I’m also lying when I tell her about the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. So, where’s the harm?

The bottom line question is: Are there any gods...or are there none.

My answer is...I do not know and I can think of no way I can know.

More specifically:

I do not know if gods exist or not;
I see no reason to suspect gods CANNOT EXIST...that the existence of gods is impossible;
I see no reason to suspect that gods MUST EXIST...that gods are needed to explain existence;
I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction...

...so I don't.




What is yours?

Frank Apisa
06-09-2018, 06:51 AM
Don’t answer the points it challenges then.

"The Christisn god is supposedly omniscient, omnibenevolent and omnipotent. Like it or not, Epicurus destroys that concept. "

That does not establish there are no gods. It does not even establish that the "Christian" (Jewish) GOD does not exist.

It may (just, may) establish that some of the attributes of the god as given by the Jews and Christians...are not properly stated.

The meme is an absurdity.

Cypress
06-09-2018, 07:10 AM
You're a clown who visits local children's hospitals, trying to bring a little joy into the lives of sick and dying children. One day, a 5 year old girl asks you if she will go to Heaven when she dies. What do you say to her?

I know you thought this would be a mind pretzel that would stump liberals, but that thought would only occur to someone of limited imagination and low educational level.

That answer to this is easy, and does not even take a nanosecond to prepare for.

First, you should never lie to anyone - children least of all. To the dying we owe the truth, first and foremost. My response to a child in in this specific context is that a lot of people think you are going somewhere wonderful when your body expires. That is both a tactful and honest answer in that context. An answer that respects both the child and myself.


"I believe that suffering will be healed and made up for, that all the humiliating absurdity of human contradictions will vanish like a pitiful mirage, like the despicable fabrication of the impotent and infinitely small Euclidean mind of man, that in the world's finale, at the moment of eternal harmony, something so precious will come to pass that it will suffice for all hearts, for the comforting of all resentments, for the atonement of all the crimes of humanity, for all the blood that they've shed; that it will make it not only possible to forgive but to justify all that has happened.”
-Fyodor Dostoyevsky

Frank Apisa
06-09-2018, 07:18 AM
I know you thought this would be a mind pretzel that would stump liberals, but that thought would only occur to someone of limited imagination and low educational level.

That answer to this is easy, and does not even take a nanosecond to prepare for.

First, you should never lie to anyone - children least of all. To the dying we owe the truth, first and foremost. My response to a child in this specific context is that a lot people think you are going somewhere wonder when your body expires. That is both a tactful and honest answer in that context. An answer that respects both the child and myself.

I don't often disagree with you, Cypress...but I do here.

The answer to the hypothetical from a 5 year old child...is, "Yes."

It makes no difference if the answer is correct or incorrect. (It truly cannot be a lie...because you can be no more sure there is no Heaven...than a theist can be sure there is one.)

It would a travesty to try to be philosophical with a dying youngster...and my guess is a dying youngster would see through the "a lot of people think you are going somewhere wonderful" stuff.

A child asking this is begging for a 'YES!"

In my opinion, anyone who thinks he/she would not give that answer really needs to do a major introspection.

domer76
06-09-2018, 08:07 AM
The bottom line question is: Are there any gods...or are there none.

My answer is...I do not know and I can think of no way I can know.

More specifically:

I do not know if gods exist or not;
I see no reason to suspect gods CANNOT EXIST...that the existence of gods is impossible;
I see no reason to suspect that gods MUST EXIST...that gods are needed to explain existence;
I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction...

...so I don't.




What is yours?

Good for you, Frank.

The Christian god? That one who is supposedly omnibenevolent, omniscient, omnipotent? Nope. Nowhere to be found. Until there's ANY evidence that entity exists, it doesn't. Like a unicorn or Santa Claus.

domer76
06-09-2018, 08:08 AM
"The Christisn god is supposedly omniscient, omnibenevolent and omnipotent. Like it or not, Epicurus destroys that concept. "

That does not establish there are no gods. It does not even establish that the "Christian" (Jewish) GOD does not exist.

It may (just, may) establish that some of the attributes of the god as given by the Jews and Christians...are not properly stated.

The meme is an absurdity.

Frank,

RELAX!

Epicurus is addressing the Christian god, not Q.

evince
06-09-2018, 08:11 AM
You're a clown who visits local children's hospitals, trying to bring a little joy into the lives of sick and dying children. One day, a 5 year old girl asks you if she will go to Heaven when she dies. What do you say to her?

you simply say

Im a silly clown


ask your religious leader

evince
06-09-2018, 08:12 AM
Wrong answer. The child wouldn't ask such a question if she didn't want to go to Heaven. So you tell her what she wants to hear. Personal beliefs aside, your first concern should be to comfort her.


nope

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 08:14 AM
Would you confirm the expectations of a dying atheist child?
No, you would lie to them as well.
You live to lie.

You want me to prove that a fairytale is a fairytale?
Meh.

This has nothing to do with how I live or my beliefs.

This has to do with comforting a dying child and not ADDING to their suffering.

Grow the fuck up and realize that not everything in this world, revolves around you.

:facepalm::

evince
06-09-2018, 08:14 AM
Good for you, Frank.

The Christian god? That one who is supposedly omnibenevolent, omniscient, omnipotent? Nope. Nowhere to be found. Until there's ANY evidence that entity exists, it doesn't. Like a unicorn or Santa Claus.

people used to believe in the craken


then we learned more


there are no gods or monsters

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 08:16 AM
https://www.google.com/search?q=copout&oq=copout&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

You know it is the former and you are too noncommittal to acknowledge it.
I suspect you have someone in your life who believes in magical beings and afterlife fantasies, and you are afraid of hurting their feelings if you told what you really think, so you pretend you don't know.
It's not uncommon.
Facts don't care about anyone's feelings.

And there you have it folks.

Leon doesn't care about a dying 5 year old's feelings.

How compassionate and PC. :palm:

evince
06-09-2018, 08:16 AM
You're a clown who visits local children's hospitals, trying to bring a little joy into the lives of sick and dying children. One day, a 5 year old girl asks you if she will go to Heaven when she dies. What do you say to her?

post one


why would she ask a clown instead of all the Drs and nurses and her family?

evince
06-09-2018, 08:17 AM
And there you have it folks.

Leon doesn't care about a dying 5 year old's feelings.

How compassionate and PC. :palm:

lies are lies

you could lie to her and tell her she will not die and be fine soon huh

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 08:18 AM
Frank, it’s merely a hypothetical. Do I believe I’m lying when I tell a five year old she’s going to heaven? Yep.

I’m also lying when I tell her about the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. So, where’s the harm?

Exactly.

This isn't about the person being asked the question, it's about the worries of a scared dying 5 year old.

evince
06-09-2018, 08:18 AM
And there you have it folks.

Leon doesn't care about a dying 5 year old's feelings.

How compassionate and PC. :palm:

you are a fucking liar so heave off dick bag

evince
06-09-2018, 08:19 AM
Exactly.

This isn't about the person being asked the question, it's about the worries of a scared dying 5 year old.

then lie to her and tell her she will be fine and not be dying

domer76
06-09-2018, 08:20 AM
This message is hidden because the stalking cocksucker, USFREEDUMBFUCK is on your ignore list.

evince
06-09-2018, 08:22 AM
yeah he is very likely a russian bot hole

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 08:22 AM
I know you thought this would be a mind pretzel that would stump liberals, but that thought would only occur to someone of limited imagination and low educational level.

That answer to this is easy, and does not even take a nanosecond to prepare for.

First, you should never lie to anyone - children least of all. To the dying we owe the truth, first and foremost. My response to a child in in this specific context is that a lot of people think you are going somewhere wonderful when your body expires. That is both a tactful and honest answer in that context. An answer that respects both the child and myself.

You're trying to use a logical copout with a 5 YEAR OLD and expecting her to have the same reasoning power as an adult.

SHE'S 5 YEARS OLD and her knowledge of the world and everything else is limited and seen through the eyes of a 5 year old.

It's obvious that some of you, in your strive to be so enlightened, have lost your humanity and compassion and would be happy to tell her:
"NAH; they just stick you in a box, bury you in a deep dark hole, and then you just rot away like that dead cat you saw."

:facepalm:

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 08:23 AM
I don't often disagree with you, Cypress...but I do here.

The answer to the hypothetical from a 5 year old child...is, "Yes."

It makes no difference if the answer is correct or incorrect. (It truly cannot be a lie...because you can be no more sure there is no Heaven...than a theist can be sure there is one.)

It would a travesty to try to be philosophical with a dying youngster...and my guess is a dying youngster would see through the "a lot of people think you are going somewhere wonderful" stuff.

A child asking this is begging for a 'YES!"

In my opinion, anyone who thinks he/she would not give that answer really needs to do a major introspection.

On this, we agree.

:hand:

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 08:25 AM
you simply say

Im a silly clown


ask your religious leader

Fuck you Desh.

You have relinquished any right to ever say anything about how anyone else treats children, you fucking hypocritical, foreskin eating, cum drinking, bitch.

There, I feel better now.

evince
06-09-2018, 08:25 AM
you simply say

Im a silly clown


ask your religious leader

POST 83

evince
06-09-2018, 08:26 AM
You're a clown who visits local children's hospitals, trying to bring a little joy into the lives of sick and dying children. One day, a 5 year old girl asks you if she will go to Heaven when she dies. What do you say to her?



POST ONE

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 08:27 AM
people used to believe in the craken


then we learned more


there are no gods or monsters

You're wrong on both counts; because you've just revealed the monster you really are, in comments you have made on this thread. :palm:

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 08:28 AM
post one


why would she ask a clown instead of all the Drs and nurses and her family?

She's 5 YEARS OLD, who gives a fuck who she asks.

She asked, that's all that matters you insensitive bitch. :palm:

evince
06-09-2018, 08:28 AM
Fuck you Desh.

You have relinquished any right to ever say anything about how anyone else treats children, you fucking hypocritical, foreskin eating, cum drinking, bitch.

There, I feel better now.

STAY AWAY FROM SICK CHILDREN YOU FUCKING HEARTLESS SOCIOPATH

evince
06-09-2018, 08:29 AM
you simply say

Im a silly clown


ask your religious leader

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 08:29 AM
lies are lies

you could lie to her and tell her she will not die and be fine soon huh

What does that have to do with her question?

If she asked if she was going to die and I knew she was dying, I would tell "I hope not; because I would miss you."

evince
06-09-2018, 08:29 AM
You're a clown who visits local children's hospitals, trying to bring a little joy into the lives of sick and dying children. One day, a 5 year old girl asks you if she will go to Heaven when she dies. What do you say to her?

POST ONE

evince
06-09-2018, 08:30 AM
What does that have to do with her question?

If she asked if she was going to die and I knew she was dying, I would tell "I hope not; because I would miss you."

YOU JUST TOLD HER YOU HOPE SHE DOESNT GO TO HEAVEN IDIOT

evince
06-09-2018, 08:31 AM
You're a clown who visits local children's hospitals, trying to bring a little joy into the lives of sick and dying children. One day, a 5 year old girl asks you if she will go to Heaven when she dies. What do you say to her?

POST ONE

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 08:32 AM
you are a fucking liar so heave off dick bag

You can call me anything you want; but at least I can show compassion to a dying 5 year old, instead of trying to push my agenda on her.


Good job Desh, because not only did you reveal yourself as a racist in previous threads; but now you've exposed your hypocrisy regarding children. :good4u:

evince
06-09-2018, 08:32 AM
What does that have to do with her question?

If she asked if she was going to die and I knew she was dying, I would tell "I hope not; because I would miss you."

POST 104


YOU ALSO INFERED YOU WILL NEVER GO TO HEAVEN

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 08:33 AM
then lie to her and tell her she will be fine and not be dying

She didn't ask if she was dying, so why would I throw that in her face; but apparently your bed side manner is just walk into a children's ward and announce:
"You're all dying, so hurry up."

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 08:34 AM
This message is hidden because the stalking cocksucker, USFREEDUMBFUCK is on your ignore list.

Your hate has blinded you to the FACT, that I was agreeing with you.

:facepalm:

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 08:35 AM
yeah he is very likely a russian bot hole

I would rather be a Russian "bot hole", then to be an uncaring, sniveling, ass hole like you. :good4u:

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 08:38 AM
STAY AWAY FROM SICK CHILDREN YOU FUCKING HEARTLESS SOCIOPATH

You're the sociopath, you fucking cunt.

You have no compassion for a dying 5 year old and would rather just force your ideas upon her, instead of comforting her and giving her the answer she's looking for.

If her mom had died, you would probably tell her:
"OH, by the way. You won't be seeing Mommy either; because she's just a bag of bones and rotting flesh."

domer76
06-09-2018, 08:38 AM
Lying
Obsessive
Stalker

LOSER

:rofl2:

evince
06-09-2018, 08:40 AM
the right has called me a bleeding heart liberal all my life

nice to know even you Russian bots are programed to shame for sociopathy instead now



Its called wining for me

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 08:40 AM
you simply say

Im a silly clown


ask your religious leader

And there you have, Desh expects a dying 5 year old to have the wherewithal to comprehend what and who her "religious leader" is and what it means.

You're fucking stupid.

I pity you and wonder what ever happened to you, to make you such a hateful cunt.

evince
06-09-2018, 08:41 AM
You're the sociopath, you fucking cunt.

You have no compassion for a dying 5 year old and would rather just force your ideas upon her, instead of comforting her and giving her the answer she's looking for.

If her mom had died, you would probably tell her:
"OH, by the way. You won't be seeing Mommy either; because she's just a bag of bones and rotting flesh."

go get the post of mine you claim exists lying sociopathic bot hole

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 08:42 AM
YOU JUST TOLD HER YOU HOPE SHE DOESNT GO TO HEAVEN IDIOT

Two different questions, you hypocritical bitch.

1 - Am I going to die / I hope not; because I would miss you
2 - If I die, am I going to heaven / Yes

evince
06-09-2018, 08:43 AM
the right has called me a bleeding heart liberal all my life

nice to know even you Russian bots are programed to shame for sociopathy instead now



Its called wining for me




you fucks now know being a heartless rightwing asshole aint popular anymore

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 08:44 AM
Lying
Obsessive
Stalker

LOSER

:rofl2:

Once again, in this thread your hate has blinded you to the fact that I'm in agreement with you.
Your loss. :palm:

evince
06-09-2018, 08:44 AM
your party would take her healthcare

and allow the drug companies to over charge her parents for the drugs that keep her pain at bay

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 08:46 AM
the right has called me a bleeding heart liberal all my life

nice to know even you Russian bots are programed to shame for sociopathy instead now



Its called wining for me

You would have to have a heart to be a bleeding one and you have shown that you lack possession of one.

I'll pray for your soul and you can't stop me.

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 08:47 AM
go get the post of mine you claim exists lying sociopathic bot hole

You complained in the past, about "children dying in the streets, like you give a fuck; because you've shown your true nature and you can't hide from it now.

domer76
06-09-2018, 08:48 AM
Lying
Obsessive
Stalker

LOSER

:rofl2:

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 08:48 AM
your party would take her healthcare

and allow the drug companies to over charge her parents for the drugs that keep her pain at bay

Stay on topic, you fucking degenerate piece of shit. :palm:

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 08:50 AM
Lying
Obsessive
Stalker

LOSER

:rofl2:

You're showing how desperate you really are and that you're just driven by your angst.

More's the pity. :palm:

Frank Apisa
06-09-2018, 08:56 AM
Good for you, Frank.

The Christian god? That one who is supposedly omnibenevolent, omniscient, omnipotent? Nope. Nowhere to be found. Until there's ANY evidence that entity exists, it doesn't. Like a unicorn or Santa Claus.

The "Christian god"...more properly the expropriated Jewish god...MAY exist...and the people describing it may have screwed up.

Maybe the god cannot do the impossible...maybe the god has a different definition of "benevolent" than you do...maybe a whole lot of things that you are arbitrarily disregarding.

(I am in a rush because of things happening around the house today...and cannot give this the attention it deserves. But I have discussed these things for four decades...and will gladly do so in greater depth starting Monday afternoon...or Tuesday after golf.)

The god...or some god...MAY EXIST.

Also...no gods MAY EXIST.

None of us knows for sure.

Frank Apisa
06-09-2018, 08:57 AM
Frank,

RELAX!

Epicurus is addressing the Christian god, not Q.

If you had a leaking hot tub problem like I am working around to do this posting...you might be less relaxed than normal...which is what I am.

I sincerely apologize. Probably should not have gotten into this at all today, but...

Epicurus is full of shit...just as Aquinas was. But more about that when the water is not doing what it is doing.

Gotcha68
06-09-2018, 09:40 AM
If she is asking about heaven then odds are her parents are raising her to believe in such things. She already has her answer even if it's a 5 year old's understanding based on what her parents have told her. She wants confirmation that the scary thing happening to her at least has a "happy ending". While I have made it a life long point not to lie to my children, it would be damn near impossible and unkind to use that specific opportunity to attempt to undo what her own parents have done and "set her straight" according to my understanding of life and the hereafter as an atheist.

My best answer would be that having never faced such a scenario, I really can't say for sure what I would say absolutely but I can't imagine there is anyone on this planet who would use that opportunity to make that scared dying child feel even worse by telling her there is no heaven, you will be gone and that's it.

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 09:45 AM
If she is asking about heaven then odds are her parents are raising her to believe in such things. She already has her answer even if it's a 5 year old's understanding based on what her parents have told her. She wants confirmation that the scary thing happening to her at least has a "happy ending". While I have made it a life long point not to lie to my children, it would be damn near impossible and unkind to use that specific opportunity to attempt to undo what her own parents have done and "set her straight" according to my understanding of life and the hereafter as an atheist.

My best answer would be that having never faced such a scenario, I really can't say for sure what I would say absolutely but I can't imagine there is anyone on this planet who would use that opportunity to make that scared dying child feel even worse by telling her there is no heaven, you will be gone and that's it.

Evidently Desh and several other JPP liberals would. :palm:

evince
06-09-2018, 09:47 AM
Evidently Desh and several other JPP liberals would. :palm:

go get the post of mine you claim exists lying sociopath

Gotcha68
06-09-2018, 09:50 AM
Evidently Desh and several other JPP liberals would. :palm:

Not only do I not believe in death bed conversions, I also don't believe you should use that tragic moment to emotionally destroy someone.

evince
06-09-2018, 09:50 AM
you simply say

Im a silly clown


ask your religious leader

post 83

my first post in this thread

evince
06-09-2018, 09:51 AM
Not only do I not believe in death bed conversions, I also don't believe you should use that tragic moment to emotionally destroy someone.


he is fucking lying about what people said

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 09:54 AM
go get the post of mine you claim exists lying sociopath

Blow your false indignation out your ass, you uncaring racist.

The evidence is there for all to see how you would act towards a dying child, and you can't remove the shit stain that you've covered yourself in.

And anyone who tries to defend you, from this point on, is as uncaring and uncompassionate as you are. :good4u:

Now eat shit and choke to death.

Gotcha68
06-09-2018, 09:56 AM
he is fucking lying about what people said

My comment was from my own experience, nothing to do with his.

evince
06-09-2018, 09:56 AM
go get the post of mine you claim exists lying sociopath

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 09:57 AM
Not only do I not believe in death bed conversions, I also don't believe you should use that tragic moment to emotionally destroy someone.

We may not agree on anything else; but on this, we do.
:hand:

Fentoine Lum
06-09-2018, 09:57 AM
your party would take her healthcare

and allow the drug companies to over charge her parents for the drugs that keep her pain at bay

All the little people screeching at each other is exactly what the corporate state is after and they achieve it with little effort thanks in large part to the likes of you.

Let's all remember that "your" party's solution was a Republican plan hatched at the Heritage Foundation that they then allowed the "health" insurance and pharma industries to tweak in their own behalf against what is good for the population. Let's remember that "your" party is as against single payer as the "other" party.

Let's remember that "health"care in america is a privilege for the wealthy. Let's remember that having your "health"care from/through your employer is sharcropping in a manner of application.

Let us recall that ours is THE most expensive and inefficient system amongst "advanced" post industrial societies and how our system stacks up to those [shudder] "socialist" systems.

New York, N.Y., October 8, 2015 — The U.S. spent more per person on health care than 12 other high-income nations in 2013, while seeing the lowest life expectancy and some of the worst health outcomes among this group, according to a Commonwealth Fund report out today. The analysis shows that in the U.S., which spent an average of $9,086 per person annually, life expectancy was 78.8 years. Switzerland, the second-highest-spending country, spent $6,325 per person and had a life expectancy of 82.9 years. Mortality rates for cancer were among the lowest in the U.S., but rates of chronic conditions, obesity, and infant mortality were higher than those abroad.
“Time and again, we see evidence that the amount of money we spend on health care in this country is not gaining us comparable health benefits,” said Commonwealth Fund President David Blumenthal, M.D. “We have to look at the root causes of this disconnect and invest our health care dollars in ways that will allow us to live longer while enjoying better health and greater productivity.”
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/press-releases/2015/oct/us-spends-more-on-health-care-than-other-nations

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2014/06/16/u-s-healthcare-ranked-dead-last-compared-to-10-other-countries/#486bbd6f576f

Major Findings
• Quality: The indicators of quality were grouped into four categories: effective care, safe care, coordinated care, and patient-centered care. Compared with the other 10 countries, the U.S. fares best on provision and receipt of preventive and patient-centered care. While there has been some improvement in recent years, lower scores on safe and coordinated care pull the overall U.S. quality score down. Continued adoption of health information technology should enhance the ability of U.S. physicians to identify, monitor, and coordinate care for their patients, particularly those with chronic conditions.
• Access: Not surprisingly—given the absence of universal coverage—people in the U.S. go without needed health care because of cost more often than people do in the other countries. Americans were the most likely to say they had access problems related to cost. Patients in the U.S. have rapid access to specialized health care services; however, they are less likely to report rapid access to primary care than people in leading countries in the study. In other countries, like Canada, patients have little to no financial burden, but experience wait times for such specialized services. There is a frequent misperception that trade-offs between universal coverage and timely access to specialized services are inevitable; however, the Netherlands, U.K., and Germany provide universal coverage with low out-of-pocket costs while maintaining quick access to specialty services.
• Efficiency: On indicators of efficiency, the U.S. ranks last among the 11 countries, with the U.K. and Sweden ranking first and second, respectively. The U.S. has poor performance on measures of national health expenditures and administrative costs as well as on measures of administrative hassles, avoidable emergency room use, and duplicative medical testing. Sicker survey respondents in the U.K. and France are less likely to visit the emergency room for a condition that could have been treated by a regular doctor, had one been available.
• Equity: The U.S. ranks a clear last on measures of equity. Americans with below-average incomes were much more likely than their counterparts in other countries to report not visiting a physician when sick; not getting a recommended test, treatment, or follow-up care; or not filling a prescription or skipping doses when needed because of costs. On each of these indicators, one-third or more lower-income adults in the U.S. said they went without needed care because of costs in the past year.
• Healthy lives: The U.S. ranks last overall with poor scores on all three indicators of healthy lives—mortality amenable to medical care, infant mortality, and healthy life expectancy at age 60. The U.S. and U.K. had much higher death rates in 2007 from conditions amenable to medical care than some of the other countries, e.g., rates 25 percent to 50 percent higher than Australia and Sweden. Overall, France, Sweden, and Switzerland rank highest on healthy lives.
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror

No other advanced country even comes close to the United States in annual spending on health care, but plenty of those other countries see much better outcomes in their citizens' actual health overall.
A new Commonwealth Fund report released Thursday underscored that point — yet again — with an analysis that ranks 13 high-income nations on their overall health spending, use of medical services, prices and health outcomes.
The study data, which is from 2013, predates the full implementation of Obamacare, which took place in 2014. Obamacare is designed to increase health coverage for Americans and stem the rise in health-care costs.
The findings indicate that despite spending well in excess of the rate of any other of those countries in 2013, the United States achieved worse outcomes when it comes to rates of chronic conditions, obesity and infant mortality.
One rare bright spot for the U.S., however, is that its mortality rate for cancer is among the lowest out of the 13 countries, and that cancer rates fell faster between 1995 and 2007 than in other countries.
"Time and again, we see evidence that the amount of money we spend on health care in this country is not gaining us comparable health benefits," said Dr. David Blumenthal, president of the Commonwealth Fund. "We have to look at the root causes of this disconnect and invest our health-care dollars in ways that will allow us to live longer while enjoying better health and greater productivity."
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/08/us-health-care-spending-is-high-results-arenot-so-good.html

Ranking 37th — Measuring the Performance of the U.S. Health Care System
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0910064#t=article

Health Care Outcomes in States Influenced by Coverage, Disparities
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2017-02-21/health-care-outcomes-in-states-influenced-by-coverage-disparities

One explanation for the health disadvantage of the United States relative to other high-income countries might be deficiencies in health services. Although the United States is renowned for its leadership in biomedical research, its cutting-edge medical technology, and its hospitals and specialists, problems with ensuring Americans’ access to the system and providing quality care have been a long-standing concern of policy makers and the public (Berwick et al., 2008; Brook, 2011b; Fineberg, 2012). Higher mortality rates from diseases, and even from transportation-related injuries and homicides, may be traceable in part to failings in the health care system.

The United States stands out from many other countries in not offering universal health insurance coverage. In 2010, 50 million people (16 percent of the U.S. population) were uninsured (DeNavas-Walt et al., 2011). Access to health care services, particularly in rural and frontier communities or disadvantaged urban centers, is often limited. The United States has a relatively weak foundation for primary care and a shortage of family physicians (American Academy of Family Physicians, 2009; Grumbach et al., 2009; Macinko et al., 2007; Sandy et al., 2009). Many Americans rely on emergency departments for acute, chronic, and even preventive care (Institute of Medicine, 2007a; Schoen et al., 2009b, 2011). Cost sharing is common in the United States, and high out-of-pocket expenses make health care services, pharmaceuticals, and medical supplies increasingly unaffordable (Commonwealth Fund Commission on a High Performance System, 2011; Karaca-Mandic et al., 2012). In 2011, one-third of American households reported problems paying medical bills (Cohen et al., 2012), a problem that seems to have worsened in recent years (Himmelstein et al., 2009). Health insurance premiums are consuming an increasing proportion of U.S. household income (Commonwealth Fund Commission on a High Performance System, 2011).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK154484/

Once again, U.S. has most expensive, least effective health care system in survey
A report released Monday by a respected think tank ranks the United States dead last in the quality of its health-care system when compared with 10 other western, industrialized nations, the same spot it occupied in four previous studies by the same organization. Not only did the U.S. fail to move up between 2004 and 2014 -- as other nations did with concerted effort and significant reforms -- it also has maintained this dubious distinction while spending far more per capita ($8,508) on health care than Norway ($5,669), which has the second most expensive system.
"Although the U.S. spends more on health care than any other country and has the highest proportion of specialist physicians, survey findings indicate that from the patients’ perspective, and based on outcome indicators, the performance of American health care is severely lacking," the Commonwealth Fund, a New York-based foundation that promotes improved health care, concluded in its extensive analysis. The charts in this post are from the report.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/06/16/once-again-u-s-has-most-expensive-least-effective-health-care-system-in-survey/?utm_term=.3bea55276072

US healthcare system ranks 50th out of 55 countries for efficiency
http://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/us-healthcare-system-ranks-50th-out-of-55-countries-for-efficiency.html

The U.S. healthcare system notched another dubious honor in a new comparison of its quality to the systems of 10 other developed countries: its rank was dead last.

The new study by the Commonwealth Fund ranks the U.S. against seven wealthy European countries and Canada, Australia and New Zealand. It's a follow-up of previous surveys published in 2010, 2007, 2006 and 2004, in all of which the U.S. also ranked last.

Although the U.S. ranked in the middle of the pack on measures of effectiveness, safety and coordination of care, it ranked dead last on access and cost, by a sufficient margin to rank dead last overall. The breakdowns are in the chart above.
Conservative pundits hastened to explain away these results after the report was published. See Aaron Carroll for a gloss on the "zombie arguments" put forth against the clear evidence that the U.S. system falls short.
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-the-us-healthcare-system-20140617-column.html

U.S. Health Care Ranked Worst in the Developed World
http://time.com/2888403/u-s-health-care-ranked-worst-in-the-developed-world/

domer76
06-09-2018, 10:22 AM
The "Christian god"...more properly the expropriated Jewish god...MAY exist...and the people describing it may have screwed up.

Maybe the god cannot do the impossible...maybe the god has a different definition of "benevolent" than you do...maybe a whole lot of things that you are arbitrarily disregarding.

(I am in a rush because of things happening around the house today...and cannot give this the attention it deserves. But I have discussed these things for four decades...and will gladly do so in greater depth starting Monday afternoon...or Tuesday after golf.)

The god...or some god...MAY EXIST.

Also...no gods MAY EXIST.

None of us knows for sure.

Frank,

Let's be clear, it's not MY definition. That's the so-called Christian definition. That god is AWOL.

You want a god? Give me Q

http://www.syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/2017/09/qheader.jpg

Frank Apisa
06-09-2018, 10:50 AM
Frank,

Let's be clear, it's not MY definition. That's the so-called Christian definition. That god is AWOL.

I am clear on that. You seem to be unwilling to listen to what I am saying.

The god of the Jews (the one appropriated by the Christians) MAY EXIST anyway.

The people who described what that god wants...what offends that god...what pleases that god...

...MAY HAVE GOT IT ALL WRONG.

And they may have got wrong that the god was looking over what they were saying about it...what is written in that Bible.




You want a god?

No. And if the Christian/Jewish god exists as described in some way...it can suck my cock or kiss my ass...or both, because there is no way I can even tolerate that god let alone love it.

And if such a god as described exists...I would loathe the idea that it might "love" me.

Okay?




Give me Q



http://www.syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/2017/09/qheader.jpg


Whatever.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9_4ohoEVlc

Leonthecat
06-09-2018, 10:51 AM
post one


why would she ask a clown instead of all the Drs and nurses and her family?

Ugly truth is a clown.
It's all he knows.

Leonthecat
06-09-2018, 10:54 AM
Lying to children is what insane religious people do.

IMHO it is child abuse under any circumstances.

Frank Apisa
06-09-2018, 10:57 AM
Two different questions, you hypocritical bitch.

1 - Am I going to die / I hope not; because I would miss you
2 - If I die, am I going to heaven / Yes

Since we disagree on damn near everything...I have mention that I agree here in spades.

I cannot tell you how disappointed I am with some of the people with whom I am usually in substantial agreement. This one is not rocket science.

Your response to a hypothetical, "Am I going to die?"...is what I would say if that question would ever be put to me by a child.

And your response to a hypothetical, "If I die, am I going to heaven?"...is spot on also.

The answer to the hypothetical is:


YES!

Anyone sitting around thinking philosophy or personal morality here...is engaging in philosophical masturbation.

evince
06-09-2018, 11:00 AM
Lying to children is what insane religious people do.

IMHO it is child abuse under any circumstances.

because some peoples brains are wired for beliefs like this I beg to differ

its not a final decision.


the child can outgrow these beliefs

the people telling the child them believe these ideas



your answer to the original question was about the same as mine


we think a lot alike

evince
06-09-2018, 11:02 AM
Since we disagree on damn near everything...I have mention that I agree here in spades.

I cannot tell you how disappointed I am with some of the people with whom I am usually in substantial agreement. This one is not rocket science.

Your response to a hypothetical, "Am I going to die?"...is what I would say if that question would ever be put to me by a child.

And your response to a hypothetical, "If I die, am I going to heaven?"...is spot on also.

The answer to the hypothetical is:


YES!

Anyone sitting around thinking philosophy or personal morality here...is engaging in philosophical masturbation.





if I was a clown at a hospital I don't know the families religious beliefs

which is why I answered

the way I did

evince
06-09-2018, 11:03 AM
you simply say

Im a silly clown


ask your religious leader

post 83

evince
06-09-2018, 11:05 AM
Since we disagree on damn near everything...I have mention that I agree here in spades.

I cannot tell you how disappointed I am with some of the people with whom I am usually in substantial agreement. This one is not rocket science.

Your response to a hypothetical, "Am I going to die?"...is what I would say if that question would ever be put to me by a child.

And your response to a hypothetical, "If I die, am I going to heaven?"...is spot on also.

The answer to the hypothetical is:


YES!

Anyone sitting around thinking philosophy or personal morality here...is engaging in philosophical masturbation.

why not just tell the child they will not die but will get better if lies are fine

evince
06-09-2018, 11:10 AM
Lying to children is what insane religious people do.

IMHO it is child abuse under any circumstances.


if the child was raised in a family that believes these things


I would tell them what their family has taught them


its about the same as trying to convert an atheist on their deathbed


cruel

evince
06-09-2018, 11:13 AM
I believe life is all we have


if I believe the child will die and there is nothing after

it merely soothes the childs last moments of existance

no harm done to the child

evince
06-09-2018, 11:14 AM
How would you answer a child who believes in reincarnation in the same situation?

evince
06-09-2018, 11:15 AM
"IM I going to be reincarnated?"

Leonthecat
06-09-2018, 11:16 AM
because some peoples brains are wired for beliefs like this I beg to differ

its not a final decision.


the child can outgrow these beliefs

the people telling the child them believe these ideas



your answer to the original question was about the same as mine


we think a lot alike

Some people are insane.
It's not okay to put insane ideas into the head of an inquisitive child.
Under ANY circumstances.

My kids were always told the truth when they asked me a question. Even before they could understand the concepts involved, they got honest truthful answers from me.
They never mistrusted me to this day, because they know I respect their questions.

Even a clown like USFREEDOM has the responsibility to tell the truth, to any child, at any time.

Frank Apisa
06-09-2018, 11:20 AM
why not just tell the child they will not die but will get better if lies are fine

I appreciate your position, Evince...but I agree with the way USFREEDOM said he would deal with the issue.

In my strong opinion, the answer to the specific hypothetical of the thread is:

YES!

The answer to the second hypothetical that arose, "Am I going to die?"...should almost certainly be answered with as close a variation as possible of: "I hope not; because I would miss you."

evince
06-09-2018, 11:22 AM
Some people are insane.
It's not okay to put insane ideas into the head of an inquisitive child.
Under ANY circumstances.

My kids were always told the truth when they asked me a question. Even before they could understand the concepts involved, they got honest truthful answers from me.
They never mistrusted me to this day, because they know I respect their questions.

Even a clown like USFREEDOM has the responsibility to tell the truth, to any child, at any time.

I did the same



even with the kids who visited my house


they got truth from me as best as I could answer

if there were questions we would look up facts




its why I walked away from my family's beliefs in a higher being



some people think they are telling them the truth

Frank Apisa
06-09-2018, 11:22 AM
Some people are insane.
It's not okay to put insane ideas into the head of an inquisitive child.
Under ANY circumstances.

My kids were always told the truth when they asked me a question. Even before they could understand the concepts involved, they got honest truthful answers from me.
They never mistrusted me to this day, because they know I respect their questions.

Even a clown like USFREEDOM has the responsibility to tell the truth, to any child, at any time.

Okay...I get that.

But I hope you never get close to a dying child.

What is "the truth" by the way...or are you merely saying that you would share your guess about the truth at an inappropriate time?

Leonthecat
06-09-2018, 11:22 AM
if the child was raised in a family that believes these things


I would tell them what their family has taught them


its about the same as trying to convert an atheist on their deathbed


cruel

Telling children lies is the bigger cruelty.

evince
06-09-2018, 11:24 AM
I appreciate your position, Evince...but I agree with the way USFREEDOM said he would deal with the issue.

In my strong opinion, the answer to the specific hypothetical of the thread is:

YES!

The answer to the second hypothetical that arose, "Am I going to die?"...should almost certainly be answered with as close a variation as possible of: "I hope not; because I would miss you."

and then you find out that child was raised in a different religion


and you just caused a family outrage on her deathbed

evince
06-09-2018, 11:25 AM
Telling children lies is the bigger cruelty.

less disruption in their last few days

Leonthecat
06-09-2018, 11:29 AM
Okay...I get that.

But I hope you never get close to a dying child.

What is "the truth" by the way...or are you merely saying that you would share your guess about the truth at an inappropriate time?

I would answer with what I know to be true. I don't guess, that is for insane religious people who don't have the strength to recognize reality, to do.
Lying to children is always inappropriate.

Frank Apisa
06-09-2018, 12:03 PM
and then you find out that child was raised in a different religion


and you just caused a family outrage on her deathbed

Jesus H. Christ, Evince.

Are you actually that fucking petty?

It is a five year old child in the hypothetical...asking if she will be going to heaven.

Say "YES"...and that's it.

But if you want to be petty here...and pretend you are saying something worthwhile...

...be my guest.

You are the kind of person who makes me INSIST that I will NEVER use the label "liberal" no matter who enthusiastically I support a progressive agenda, because so many of the people who enjoy that label are fucking, unthinking morons.

Frank Apisa
06-09-2018, 12:04 PM
I would answer with what I know to be true. I don't guess, that is for insane religious people who don't have the strength to recognize reality, to do.
Lying to children is always inappropriate.

What do you "know" to be true about whether that child is going to heaven or not?

domer76
06-09-2018, 01:48 PM
I am clear on that. You seem to be unwilling to listen to what I am saying.

The god of the Jews (the one appropriated by the Christians) MAY EXIST anyway.

The people who described what that god wants...what offends that god...what pleases that god...

...MAY HAVE GOT IT ALL WRONG.

And they may have got wrong that the god was looking over what they were saying about it...what is written in that Bible.





No. And if the Christian/Jewish god exists as described in some way...it can suck my cock or kiss my ass...or both, because there is no way I can even tolerate that god let alone love it.

And if such a god as described exists...I would loathe the idea that it might "love" me.

Okay?






Whatever.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9_4ohoEVlc


Frank, my man, the question posed was what would you tell a dying 5 year old, not a theological argument over Pascal or Epicurus.

Go fix your hot tub and sit it in.

Frank Apisa
06-09-2018, 02:19 PM
Frank, my man, the question posed was what would you tell a dying 5 year old, not a theological argument over Pascal or Epicurus.



I didn't bring Epicurus up....I merely responded and used Pascal and Aquinas in my response.

Do you know who did start that crap?



Go fix your hot tub and sit it in.

Ain't gonna be fixed. Gave up the ghost.

We just priced a new one...and I am still suffering from sticker shock. I hope that makes you happy.

USFREEDOM911
06-09-2018, 02:30 PM
Jesus H. Christ, Evince.

Are you actually that fucking petty?

It is a five year old child in the hypothetical...asking if she will be going to heaven.

Say "YES"...and that's it.

But if you want to be petty here...and pretend you are saying something worthwhile...

...be my guest.

You are the kind of person who makes me INSIST that I will NEVER use the label "liberal" no matter who enthusiastically I support a progressive agenda, because so many of the people who enjoy that label are fucking, unthinking morons.

Frank:

I want to apologize for all the disparity that has been between us.

Truce??

Controlled Opposition
06-09-2018, 02:33 PM
https://www.google.com/search?q=copout&oq=copout&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

You know it is the former and you are too noncommittal to acknowledge it.
I suspect you have someone in your life who believes in magical beings and afterlife fantasies, and you are afraid of hurting their feelings if you told what you really think, so you pretend you don't know.
It's not uncommon.
Facts don't care about anyone's feelings.

And I suspect that you can fuck off.

Controlled Opposition
06-09-2018, 02:46 PM
Who wouldn't want spiritual advice from someone wearing a red rubber nose and giant shoes?

domer76
06-09-2018, 03:12 PM
I didn't bring Epicurus up....I merely responded and used Pascal and Aquinas in my response.

Do you know who did start that crap?




Ain't gonna be fixed. Gave up the ghost.

We just priced a new one...and I am still suffering from sticker shock. I hope that makes you happy.

Bummer on the hot tub. I need to replace a pump on mine. Been idle for a year and I miss it a lot.

Leonthecat
06-09-2018, 09:33 PM
What do you "know" to be true about whether that child is going to heaven or not?

I know that there is no such place, or phenomena. So to tell her she were going there would be a lie.
I would tell the child facing death that those who love her will remember her and think of her for a very long time.
That would be comforting and would not be a lie.

I know it may be hard for you to understand, but, I would not lie to her.
I would have too much respect for her, especially if she were dying, to tell her lies.

Leonthecat
06-09-2018, 09:41 PM
Bummer on the hot tub. I need to replace a pump on mine. Been idle for a year and I miss it a lot.

Get the model number from the plate on the pump and go to E bay. It should not be more than $300.00 Maybe a lot less, if you shop there wisely.
I have been a certified pool operator in Colorado for ten years.
PM me if you need help.

Leonthecat
06-09-2018, 09:42 PM
And I suspect that you can fuck off.

Seems that I have touched a nerve.

Leonthecat
06-09-2018, 09:45 PM
less disruption in their last few days

If you are going to lie to her to make her feel better, why not go all the way and tell her that she will get better real soon and live a long healthy life, get married and have lots of children of her own?
Dishonesty shows a lack of respect.
Especially towards someone who is facing their mortality head on, as in the hypothetical.

Leonthecat
06-09-2018, 09:50 PM
I didn't bring Epicurus up....I merely responded and used Pascal and Aquinas in my response.

Do you know who did start that crap?




Ain't gonna be fixed. Gave up the ghost.

We just priced a new one...and I am still suffering from sticker shock. I hope that makes you happy.

As long as the shell and jets aren't shattered and leaking you can always repair a hot tub a lot more cheaply than buying, even a used one.

Leonthecat
06-09-2018, 10:45 PM
Bottom line here is that you shouldn't say YES and you don't have to NO either,
There are many ways to comfort the dying without telling them lies.
People are so used to lying to children that the knee jerk reaction is to lie and lie some more to shut them up.
That is sick.
Respect for someone, anyone, facing their mortality should rule out lies.
For me it is a moral issue.

Controlled Opposition
06-09-2018, 10:50 PM
Seems that I have touched a nerve.

Yes, you are annoying me, and that was the sole purpose of your posts. You're more like Legion than you realize.

Frank Apisa
06-10-2018, 01:49 AM
I know that there is no such place, or phenomena. So to tell her she were going there would be a lie.
I would tell the child facing death that those who love her will remember her and think of her for a very long time.
That would be comforting and would not be a lie.

I know it may be hard for you to understand, but, I would not lie to her.
I would have too much respect for her, especially if she were dying, to tell her lies.

You seem to have no trouble lying to me...so I question that "respect" you suppose you have.

Frank Apisa
06-10-2018, 01:50 AM
As long as the shell and jets aren't shattered and leaking you can always repair a hot tub a lot more cheaply than buying, even a used one.

This one is twenty five years old...and I am sure it is time to replace it.

Jack
06-10-2018, 01:56 AM
Leonthecat: "I know that there is no such place, or phenomena."
This is the EXACT mirror image of one that says "I KNOW that there IS such a place!".

Hard to 'know' ... The Unknown.

Frank Apisa
06-10-2018, 02:07 AM
Leonthecat: "I know that there is no such place, or phenomena."
This is the EXACT mirror image of one that says "I KNOW that there IS such a place!".

Hard to 'know' ... The Unknown.

Exactly!

TOP
06-10-2018, 03:17 AM
After scanning the discussion here, I'm guessing that there are at least a couple of you who don't believe that your pets cross the Rainbow Bridge when they pass away;( (they do, btw...)

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 05:42 AM
Yes, you are annoying me, and that was the sole purpose of your posts. You're more like Legion than you realize.

Legion is my brother and you need to be annoyed into facing what you know to be true.

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 05:44 AM
After scanning the discussion here, I'm guessing that there are at least a couple of you who don't believe that your pets cross the Rainbow Bridge when they pass away;( (they do, btw...)

Rainbow bridge?
Where did you get that from, Saturday morning cartoons?

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 05:49 AM
You seem to have no trouble lying to me...so I question that "respect" you suppose you have.

I do not lie to you. I know a fairytale when I hear one.
If you believe you will live forever because you say the correct incantations to the correct magical, invisible beings, you are lying to yourself or you are insane, or both.

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 05:51 AM
This one is twenty five years old...and I am sure it is time to replace it.

Go ahead, and pay through the nose then.

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 05:55 AM
Leonthecat: "I know that there is no such place, or phenomena."
This is the EXACT mirror image of one that says "I KNOW that there IS such a place!".

Hard to 'know' ... The Unknown.

That is insane fantasy.
I deal in reality.
Play the game of lying to yourself in order to deal with your inability to face the reality of your mortality if you must.
Just keep your insanity to yourself.

TOP
06-10-2018, 05:56 AM
Rainbow bridge?
Where did you get that from, Saturday morning cartoons?Not at all....

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 06:09 AM
Exactly!

I have been searching for any hard convincing evidence of any supernatural force for 65 years. It's time to say I know bullshit when I hear it and put it away as suspended sanity due to a weakness of character.
I can accept the finality of my mortality and I do not need to play out childish fantasies like, maybe I can live forever if I pretend not to know, in order to come to grips with it.
I grew up .
It's probably time you did too.

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 06:10 AM
Not at all....

Make it up yourself then?

TOP
06-10-2018, 06:12 AM
Make it up yourself then?Not at all...

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 06:19 AM
Not at all...

I just read up on it. If you honestly believe that, you are retarded.
This was a poem to placate grieving children whose pet has died.
More feel good lies to tell kids.
It is sick.

TOP
06-10-2018, 06:22 AM
I just read up on it. If you honestly believe that you are retarded.
This was a poem to placate grieving children whose pet has died.
More feel good lies to tell kids.
It is sick.
I'm sorry you feel that way...that's unfortunate, but I appreciate you taking the time to look it up.
I don't know many who are unfamiliar with the Rainbow Bridge...Rest assured, if you had pets who passed away, they've crossed....be happy that they're in good hands now;)

ThatOwlWoman
06-10-2018, 06:30 AM
Who wouldn't want spiritual advice from someone wearing a red rubber nose and giant shoes?

LMAO

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 06:36 AM
I'm sorry you feel that way...that's unfortunate, but I appreciate you taking the time to look it up.
I don't know many who are unfamiliar with the Rainbow Bridge...Rest assured, if you had pets who passed away, they've crossed....be happy that they're in good hands now;)

I have had pets that have died and I remember their character personalities and our relationship with fondness and warmth.
But I am not a child. They are gone and exist no more in any way, beyond memories.
If you believe a poem, about magical places, written for grieving kids, you are retarded.
I'm not just calling you names here.
I am quite serious.
You are retarded.

Eagle_Eye
06-10-2018, 06:54 AM
I'm sorry you feel that way...that's unfortunate, but I appreciate you taking the time to look it up.
I don't know many who are unfamiliar with the Rainbow Bridge...Rest assured, if you had pets who passed away, they've crossed....be happy that they're in good hands now;)

Why can't these idiots see the mercy in trying to ease a child's grief and pain? I bet Leon's response to a dying child asking if they will go to heaven would be "no, you will soon be worm food". How sick liberals are is amazing.

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 06:58 AM
Why can't these idiots see the mercy in trying to ease a child's grief and pain? I bet Leon's response to a dying child asking if they will go to heaven would be "no, you will soon be worm food". How sick liberals are is amazing.

I would never say that to anyone dying.
Still I would not lie to them either.
There are many ways to comfort the dying without telling them lies and fairy tales.

TOP
06-10-2018, 07:04 AM
I have had pets that have died and I remember their character personalities and our relationship with fondness and warmth.
But I am not a child. They are gone and exist no more in any way, beyond memories.
If you believe a poem, about magical places, written for grieving kids, you are retarded.
I'm not just calling you names here.
I am quite serious.
You are retarded.
You'll be pleasantly surprised someday, particularly since you say you remember your pets with fondness and warmth;)

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 07:12 AM
You'll be pleasantly surprised someday, particularly since you say you remember your pets with fondness and warmth;)

You are retarded.

Eagle_Eye
06-10-2018, 07:14 AM
I would never say that to anyone dying.
Still I would not lie to them either.
There are many ways to comfort the dying without telling them lies and fairy tales.

You say you wouldn't lie to someone that was dying but you don't know that there isn't a God and heaven! All you know is what non-believers taught you. So by denying they will go to heaven you may very well be lying to them!

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 07:22 AM
You say you wouldn't lie to someone that was dying but you don't know that there isn't a God and heaven! All you know is what non-believers taught you. So by denying they will go to heaven you may very well be lying to them!

I know .
I do not practice the childish suspended sanity that you do, so, I know.

Eagle_Eye
06-10-2018, 07:25 AM
[QUOTE=Leonthecat;2417771]I know .
I do not practice the childish suspended sanity that you do, so, I know.[/QUOT

Only a fool refuses to accept all possibilities. Need I say more!

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 07:30 AM
Only a fool refuses to accept all possibilities. Need I say more!

Only a fool can not face reality and clings to childish solutions for their inability to face mortality.
You call the impossible possible only because you are of weak character.

TOP
06-10-2018, 07:42 AM
You are retarded. What a very odd thing to say. I'm not surprised you would stoop to using the word in such a dated and offensive way, though...

Eagle_Eye
06-10-2018, 08:24 AM
[QUOTE=Eagle Eye;2417778]

Only a fool can not face reality and clings to childish solutions for their inability to face mortality.
You call the impossible possible only because you are of weak character.


It is extremely entertaining how you atheists are so positive you are right but get so defensive when your beliefs are challenged. I have asked this many times and not one of you has been able to answer truthfully.


1. If I am wrong what do I lose?
2. If you are wrong what do you lose.


there are only two correct answers.

The Ugly Truth
06-10-2018, 09:20 AM
[QUOTE=Leonthecat;2417789]


It is extremely entertaining how you atheists are so positive you are right but get so defensive when your beliefs are challenged. I have asked this many times and not one of you has been able to answer truthfully.


1. If I am wrong what do I lose?
2. If you are wrong what do you lose.


there are only two correct answers.

According to Scripture, there is no such thing as an atheist. They know there is a God. They simply refuse to admit it. They do this because of pride. They refuse to admit that they are not good enough and don't measure up to God's standard of perfection. They also love their sin more than they love the One who created them. So, when they end up before the Gods Throne of Judgement, there really shouldn't be any surprised expressions.

Phantasmal
06-10-2018, 09:23 AM
[QUOTE=Leonthecat;2417789]


It is extremely entertaining how you atheists are so positive you are right but get so defensive when your beliefs are challenged. I have asked this many times and not one of you has been able to answer truthfully.


1. If I am wrong what do I lose?
2. If you are wrong what do you lose.


there are only two correct answers.
1. Nothing
2. You seem to think you know the mind of your God, if there is a god as you believe, no one knows how this god will deal with any of us.

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 09:25 AM
It is extremely entertaining how you atheists are so positive you are right but get so defensive when your beliefs are challenged. I have asked this many times and not one of you has been able to answer truthfully.


1. If I am wrong what do I lose?
2. If you are wrong what do you lose.


there are only two correct answers.

1 Your common sense.
2 I am not wrong.

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 09:30 AM
What a very odd thing to say. I'm not surprised you would stoop to using the word in such a dated and offensive way, though...

As I said before, I am not just calling you offensive names here. I honestly believe you are in arrested mental development.
To believe what you claim you do, you would have to be.

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 09:31 AM
According to Scripture, there is no such thing as an atheist. They know there is a God. They simply refuse to admit it. They do this because of pride. They refuse to admit that they are not good enough and don't measure up to God's standard of perfection. They also love their sin more than they love the One who created them. So, when they end up before the Gods Throne of Judgement, there really shouldn't be any surprised expressions.

You are insane.
There is no alternative assessment here. If you believe that drivel you just posted, you have to be insane.

TOP
06-10-2018, 09:45 AM
What a heartbreakingly beautiful realization that all of our pets, along with the rest of God's creatures, are running healthy, happy, and pain free together after passing over the Rainbow Bridge;) They are in our hearts, forever, until we meet again...

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 09:51 AM
What a heartbreakingly beautiful realization that all of our pets, along with the rest of God's creatures, are running healthy, happy, and pain free together after passing over the Rainbow Bridge;) They are in our hearts, forever, until we meet again...

I get that you grieve for, and miss your pets who have expired. I do too.
But to take a childish poem that is full of lies only a child or a simpleton could believe as true and declare it as fact leaves me to conclude that you are retarded or you are just fucking with us.
I don't rule out either one at this point.

Jack
06-10-2018, 09:57 AM
After scanning the discussion here, I'm guessing that there are at least a couple of you who don't believe that your pets cross the Rainbow Bridge when they pass away;( (they do, btw...)

They end up in ... Canada?!?

https://www.niagarafallslive.com/rainbow_bridge.htm

TOP
06-10-2018, 09:58 AM
I get that you grieve for, and miss your pets who have expired. I do too.
But to take a childish poem that is full of lies only a child or a simpleton could believe as true and declare it as fact leaves me to conclude that you are retarded or you are just fucking with us.
I don't rule out either one at this point.
Why do you have such a problem with anyone who choses to believe that there is a heaven? You're welcome to say that you disagree with anyone who does. I don't understand the need for the name calling... Especially the term "retarded"...or "simpleton", for that matter.

Eagle_Eye
06-10-2018, 10:00 AM
[QUOTE=Eagle Eye;2417868]
1. Nothing
2. You seem to think you know the mind of your God, if there is a god as you believe, no one knows how this god will deal with any of us.

You got #1 correct.
#2 is everything.

I only go by what the bible teaches me. I don't speak for the creator. So your choice believe or not, true democracy.

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 10:00 AM
They end up in ... Canada?!?

https://www.niagarafallslive.com/rainbow_bridge.htm

LOL!

Eagle_Eye
06-10-2018, 10:02 AM
1 Your common sense.
2 I am not wrong.

Is it common sense to burn bridges you don't have to? No it's call stupidity not common sense. :innocent:

Eagle_Eye
06-10-2018, 10:04 AM
Why do you have such a problem with anyone who choses to believe that there is a heaven? You're welcome to say that you disagree with anyone who does. I don't understand the need for the name calling... Especially the term "retarded"...or "simpleton", for that matter.

It's called fright.

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 10:04 AM
Why do you have such a problem with anyone who choses to believe that there is a heaven? You're welcome to say that you disagree with anyone who does. I don't understand the need for the name calling... Especially the term "retarded"...or "simpleton", for that matter.

Those terms are not meant as simply offensive language.

I see them as accurate assessments of your state of mind.

If you are serious that you actually believe that poem, you are not right in the head.

TOP
06-10-2018, 10:05 AM
They end up in ... Canada?!?

https://www.niagarafallslive.com/rainbow_bridge.htmVery pretty.... but different Rainbow bridge...

ThatOwlWoman
06-10-2018, 10:08 AM
You are retarded.

She is, you have no idea. You might as well try to nail jello to a tree than try to have an adult discussion with that one. I find her outrage about your use of the word "retard" to be hilarious hypocrisy. She often calls other ppl "unwell," "sick," "psychotic," "insane," "crazy," etc.

As for the whole afterlife/heaven/Nirvana/rainbow bridge deal.... personally I don't care what someone believes as long as they don't insist I have to indulge too.

CO had the best post here so far.... "Who wouldn't want spiritual advice from someone wearing a red rubber nose and giant shoes?" LOL

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 10:09 AM
It's called fright.

To the contrary. I am not afraid of dying. I am at peace with reality.
You on the other hand are so scared shittless that you will one day end, that you are willing to give up your common sense and adopt fairy tales as reality in order to cope with your weaknesses.
I must say that, in a way, I feel sorry for you.
You are so afraid that you figure everyone must be as frightened of dying as you are.
You are dead wrong.

TOP
06-10-2018, 10:15 AM
Those terms are not meant as simply offensive language.

I see them as accurate assessments of your state of mind.

If you are serious that you actually believe that poem, you are not right in the head.
Yet they are offensive language, unnecessary and inaccurate. Very simply. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree about what we think comes after our death, or the death of our pets...
(I'm glad you learned about the Bridge today, though...and remember..you have many loved ones waiting for you in heaven....some are people and some are not people at all:)

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 10:19 AM
She is, you have no idea. You might as well try to nail jello to a tree than try to have an adult discussion with that one. I find her outrage about your use of the word "retard" to be hilarious hypocrisy. She often calls other ppl "unwell," "sick," "psychotic," "insane," "crazy," etc.

As for the whole afterlife/heaven/Nirvana/rainbow bridge deal.... personally I don't care what someone believes as long as they don't insist I have to indulge too.

CO had the best post here so far.... "Who wouldn't want spiritual advice from someone wearing a red rubber nose and giant shoes?" LOL

The clowns wearing vestments, backwards collars and crucifixes are at least as silly and not nearly as entertaining..

TOP
06-10-2018, 10:21 AM
That took much longer than I thought it would;) lol

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 10:23 AM
Yet they are offensive language, unnecessary and inaccurate. Very simply. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree about what we think comes after our death, or the death of our pets...
(I'm glad you learned about the Bridge today, though...and remember..you have many loved ones waiting for you in heaven....some are people and some are not people at all:)

We must agree that you at least as flaky as a shit house rat.
I will not agree to anything less than that.

TOP
06-10-2018, 10:24 AM
We must agree that you at least as flaky as a shit house rat.
I will not agree to anything less than that.
Ok...I accomplished what I wished to accomplish...have a lovely afternoon (and afterlife;)

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 10:27 AM
Ok...I accomplished what I wished to accomplish...have a lovely afternoon (and afterlife;)

All you have accomplished is that you have revealed how crazy you are.
Congratulations.

TOP
06-10-2018, 10:31 AM
All you have accomplished is that you have revealed how crazy you are.
Congratulations. I don't believe I stuttered....I accomplished what I wished to accomplish...you are welcome to believe whatever you like. Again, have a lovely afternoon and afterlife. I think that you will be pleased;)

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 10:31 AM
Is it common sense to burn bridges you don't have to? No it's call stupidity not common sense. :innocent:

What "bridges " are you referring to?
Do you subscribe to that rainbow bridge drivel too?

ThatOwlWoman
06-10-2018, 10:42 AM
All you have accomplished is that you have revealed how crazy you are.
Congratulations.

She was the former Amazon forum's biggest attention whore, followed closely by another who just showed up here recently. She accomplished what she wished -- she got attention from someone. This means that she still matters, even though it wasn't positive attention at all. Your "shithouse rat" description is spot on.

ThatOwlWoman
06-10-2018, 10:44 AM
What "bridges " are you referring to?
Do you subscribe to that rainbow bridge drivel too?

Feeble Eye is a gambling sort of Xtian. He has said before that he decided to believe the Xtian mythos in order to hedge his bets. See, if none of that turns out to be true, he's lost nothing. But if it *is* true, then he wins the game and gets to go to heaven.

I'm not quite sure he really understands Christianity, or faith for that matter. lol

Eagle_Eye
06-10-2018, 10:45 AM
To the contrary. I am not afraid of dying. I am at peace with reality.
You on the other hand are so scared shittless that you will one day end, that you are willing to give up your common sense and adopt fairy tales as reality in order to cope with your weaknesses.
I must say that, in a way, I feel sorry for you.
You are so afraid that you figure everyone must be as frightened of dying as you are.
You are dead wrong.

I can only say one thing I am glad I had no one like you protecting my 6 in Nam. Oh I'm certainly not afraid of dying because I believe my soul will go to a better place. Too bad you don't have the same outlook. Well remember this conversation when you are trying to make peace with your maker on your death bed.

Eagle_Eye
06-10-2018, 10:49 AM
Feeble Eye is a gambling sort of Xtian. He has said before that he decided to believe the Xtian mythos in order to hedge his bets. See, if none of that turns out to be true, he's lost nothing. But if it *is* true, then he wins the game and gets to go to heaven.

I'm not quite sure he really understands Christianity, or faith for that matter. lol

An idiot Wiccan who believes in worshipping a Goddess and a God. These are traditionally viewed as the Moon Goddess and the Horned God, respectively. ... Wicca often involves the ritual practice of magic, though it is not always necessary. preaching to a Christian. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


You can't make this up folks

The Ugly Truth
06-10-2018, 10:58 AM
I get that you grieve for, and miss your pets who have expired. I do too.
But to take a childish poem that is full of lies only a child or a simpleton could believe as true and declare it as fact leaves me to conclude that you are retarded or you are just fucking with us.
I don't rule out either one at this point.

So far, your only argument is that everyone who believes in God is stupid. You can stop now. It is painfully obvious that you are the stupid one, since you have no intelligent arguments to offer. Pathetic

Truth Detector
06-10-2018, 11:16 AM
The Non-atheist knows to say:

You, me, and everyone that ever existed or ever will in future are all each individual individuals.
Each soul is indivisable and pervades the entire body, it is indestructible,
No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul,
for the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time,
the soul has not come into being, does not come into being,
and will not come into being. the soul is unborn, eternal,
ever-existing and primeval, the soul is not die when the body dies,
the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable
the soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon,
nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water,
nor withered by the wind, the individual soul is unbreakable
and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried,
the soul is everlasting, unchangeable, immovable and
eternally the unchanged.

The temporal false-ego = the ego garnered via the particular birth. Such a temporal false-ego exists for the span of the life time. The body withers but the conscious life-force [the soul --atma, in sanskrit] continues to another birth ---thus lossing all of its Identity to the dust of time; and then to re-start another life-time . . . as per the Karma-phalam (fruits of actions/works) from the last lifetime. Scripture says that all facilities are accorded to all species without prejudice ---you get a future birth mechanically as per the stratum of cultivated sensibilities that "were remembered at the time of death".

Personal relationships, work skills, wealth, social status are all lost ---and the future birth is determined by the culmination of past works/the final thoughts at the time of death/life-long cultivated desires.

At death, unless one is informed of absolute truths (or that which approximate such absolute truths) one is destined fro repeated "relative" existence of striving to enjoy sans (without) ultimate purpose.

All past associations are lost upon a material body's death ---freeing it up to pursue any available future birth without overt effort ---as per the qualification of the souls level of cultivated sophistication.


**simply by understanding the transcendental nature of the body and activities of the Lord, attains the abode of the Lord after ending this body and does not run the risk of returning to this material world.**

"One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode"

One who can understand the truth of the appearance of the Personality of Godhead is already liberated from material bondage, and therefore he returns to the kingdom of God immediately after quitting this present material body. Such liberation of the living entity from material bondage is not at all easy. The impersonalists and the yogīs attain liberation only after much trouble and many, many births. Even then, the liberation they achieve – merging into the impersonal brahma-jyotir of the Lord – is only partial, and there is the risk of returning to this material world. But the devotee, simply by understanding the transcendental nature of the body and activities of the Lord, attains the abode of the Lord after ending this body and does not run the risk of returning to this material world.

Although there are many transcendental forms of the Lord, they are still one and the same Supreme Personality of Godhead. One has to understand this fact with conviction, although it is incomprehensible to mundane scholars and empiric philosophers.

As stated in the Vedas (Puruṣa-bodhinī Upaniṣad):
“The one Supreme Personality of Godhead is eternally engaged in many, many transcendental forms in relationships with His unalloyed devotees.”

Simply by accepting this truth on faith, one can, without a doubt, attain liberation.
Anyone who understands “You are the same Supreme Brahman, the Personality of Godhead,” is certainly liberated instantly,
and consequently his entrance into the transcendental association of the Lord is guaranteed.

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Eagle_Eye
06-10-2018, 11:24 AM
Angry Bowel Woman's newest Wiccan ride.


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Frank Apisa
06-10-2018, 12:04 PM
I do not lie to you. I know a fairytale when I hear one.
If you believe you will live forever because you say the correct incantations to the correct magical, invisible beings, you are lying to yourself or you are insane, or both.

I do not do "believing" at all.

As for whether or not there are any gods...or a heaven...I DO NOT KNOW.

YOU ARE lying when you say you KNOW there is no heaven.

But that's the way it goes with liars. They lie...and then they give lectures to others about how their "morals" require the do the shit they do.

Frank Apisa
06-10-2018, 12:07 PM
I have been searching for any hard convincing evidence of any supernatural force for 65 years. It's time to say I know bullshit when I hear it and put it away as suspended sanity due to a weakness of character.
I can accept the finality of my mortality and I do not need to play out childish fantasies like, maybe I can live forever if I pretend not to know, in order to come to grips with it.
I grew up .
It's probably time you did too.

Wow...65 years.

I am going to be 82 in six weeks...and I've been doing lots of searching also.

I now know that people like you are full of shit when they claim to know stuff they obviously do not know.

If you truly want to grow up...I would suggest starting by not being a childish liar...and by not lecturing others on morality.

Frank Apisa
06-10-2018, 12:09 PM
I know .
I do not practice the childish suspended sanity that you do, so, I know.

You do not know.

Stop with the bullshit. It makes you look even worse than usual...which is truly pretty bad.

Gotcha68
06-10-2018, 12:14 PM
Feeble Eye is a gambling sort of Xtian. He has said before that he decided to believe the Xtian mythos in order to hedge his bets. See, if none of that turns out to be true, he's lost nothing. But if it *is* true, then he wins the game and gets to go to heaven.

I'm not quite sure he really understands Christianity, or faith for that matter. lol

I would imagine this god they believe in would know they were just "hedging their bets" and believing "just in case". This All Knowing God seems easily swindled.

USFREEDOM911
06-10-2018, 12:23 PM
Why can't these idiots see the mercy in trying to ease a child's grief and pain? I bet Leon's response to a dying child asking if they will go to heaven would be "no, you will soon be worm food". How sick liberals are is amazing.

This is why I've stopped even responding to their stupidity and lack of caring, over this situation.

All they want to do is try and beat everyone else into the same narcists that they are.

USFREEDOM911
06-10-2018, 12:26 PM
[QUOTE=Eagle Eye;2417868]

According to Scripture, there is no such thing as an atheist. They know there is a God. They simply refuse to admit it. They do this because of pride. They refuse to admit that they are not good enough and don't measure up to God's standard of perfection. They also love their sin more than they love the One who created them. So, when they end up before the Gods Throne of Judgement, there really shouldn't be any surprised expressions.

They also do it, because they're scared that they really aren't in control of their lives; but what they fail to accept that they are in control and it's called free will.

Gotcha68
06-10-2018, 12:28 PM
This is why I've stopped even responding to their stupidity and lack of caring, over this situation.

All they want to do is try and beat everyone else into the same narcists that they are.

Who is "they"? Only Leon has expressed that negative tact on here?

Gotcha68
06-10-2018, 12:31 PM
[QUOTE=The Ugly Truth;2418008]

They also do it, because they're scared that they really aren't in control of their lives; but what they fail to accept that they are in control and it's called free will.

Believers don't want us telling you what you believe but here are both of you telling atheists what they "really" believe.

Religion teaches blatant unabashed hypocrisy which is why I abhor it.

USFREEDOM911
06-10-2018, 12:35 PM
Who is "they"? Only Leon has expressed that negative tact on here?

There were a couple of others and I see no reason to waste time on them spewing how they would treat a dying 5 year old, who asked a question.

If she asked "Will there be Unicorns in Heaven?", I would have said YES.

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 01:03 PM
You do not know.

Stop with the bullshit. It makes you look even worse than usual...which is truly pretty bad.

I know there is nothing supernatural that effects my life.

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 01:05 PM
Wow...65 years.

I am going to be 82 in six weeks...and I've been doing lots of searching also.

I now know that people like you are full of shit when they claim to know stuff they obviously do not know.

If you truly want to grow up...I would suggest starting by not being a childish liar...and by not lecturing others on morality.

Hocus Pocus. Magic is not real, Frank.

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 01:06 PM
I do not do "believing" at all.

As for whether or not there are any gods...or a heaven...I DO NOT KNOW.

YOU ARE lying when you say you KNOW there is no heaven.

But that's the way it goes with liars. They lie...and then they give lectures to others about how their "morals" require the do the shit they do.

I am not lying. I know that magic is not real and that magical thinking is nonsense.

Leonthecat
06-10-2018, 01:09 PM
So far, your only argument is that everyone who believes in God is stupid. You can stop now. It is painfully obvious that you are the stupid one, since you have no intelligent arguments to offer. Pathetic

Stupid?
No, not necessarily .

Willing to induce a temporary insanity to accept magical thinking?
Probably.

Weak minded and afraid of facing the finality of death?
Certainly.

Frank Apisa
06-10-2018, 01:11 PM
I know there is nothing supernatural that effects my life.

Don't start that backtracking bullshit.

You said you KNOW there is no heaven.

I'm saying you do not know.

Fact is...IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW THERE IS NO HEAVEN.

You are blindly guessing...just as some people blindly guess there IS a heaven.

Adult up...and concede the point.

Frank Apisa
06-10-2018, 01:12 PM
Hocus Pocus. Magic is not real, Frank.

That has nothing to do with our conversation here.

Adult up. Concede you lied.