If not God, then...

[The Ugly Truth]

Simple question. If God did not create the universe, then who or what is responsible? Without a Creator, you have no choice but to believe that there was no cause for the universe. That it created itself. This violates every law of science, since nothing physical can create itself.

Now, before you idiot atheists ask who created God, I will point out the simple fact that God is not physical and has always existed. Any way you slice it, the universe requires a Creator.

[iolo]

Simple question. If God did not create the universe, then who or what is responsible? Without a Creator, you have no choice but to believe that there was no cause for the universe. That it created itself. This violates every law of science, since nothing physical can create itself.

Now, before you idiot atheists ask who created God, I will point out the simple fact that God is not physical and has always existed. Any way you slice it, the universe requires a Creator.

It is like Idiocy, doubtless. It always existed and created idiots, sure to be! :)

[Jack]

Simple question. If God did not create the universe, then who or what is responsible? Without a Creator, you have no choice but to believe that there was no cause for the universe. That it created itself. This violates every law of science, since nothing physical can create itself.

Now, before you idiot atheists ask who created God, I will point out the simple fact that God is not physical and has always existed. Any way you slice it, the universe requires a Creator.

"Now, before you idiot atheists ask who created God, I will point out the simple fact that God is not physical and has always existed. Any way you slice it, the universe requires a Creator."
But ... who created God?

[kudzu]

Simple question. If God did not create the universe, then who or what is responsible? Without a Creator, you have no choice but to believe that there was no cause for the universe. That it created itself. This violates every law of science, since nothing physical can create itself.

Now, before you idiot atheists ask who created God, I will point out the simple fact that God is not physical and has always existed. Any way you slice it, the universe requires a Creator.

So you believe the Jewish creation story?

[Frank Apisa]

Simple question. If God did not create the universe, then who or what is responsible? Without a Creator, you have no choice but to believe that there was no cause for the universe. That it created itself. This violates every law of science, since nothing physical can create itself.

Now, before you idiot atheists ask who created God, I will point out the simple fact that God is not physical and has always existed. Any way you slice it, the universe requires a Creator.

You arbitrarily assert that "the universe" was created...and artificially create a need for a Creator.

Why do that?

Why not assume "the universe" was never "created"...that it simply ALWAYS has existed?

[The Ugly Truth]

Just as I suspected. Not a single one of you has an intelligent reply.

[kudzu]

Just as I suspected. Not a single one of you has an intelligent reply.

Which creation story do you believe? There are hundreds of them.

[Jack]

"Why not assume "the universe" was never "created"...that it simply ALWAYS has existed?"

Because that would fuck up his whole narrative.
See ... the narrative has to be 'God always existed'.

And ... talks to Homo Sapiens here on Planet Earth, a truly special place filled with special people here in the vast expanse of the Cosmos.

[Jack]

Just as I suspected. Not a single one of you has an intelligent reply.


The Replies are intelligent, you're the only one with the imaginary friend living in your head.

[evince]

"Now, before you idiot atheists ask who created God, I will point out the simple fact that God is not physical and has always existed. Any way you slice it, the universe requires a Creator."
But ... who created God?

there is no proof there is a god


there is mountains of facts to prove that the universe exists


its the universe that has always existed


why is it easy for you to accept one has always existed ?


but not the other


because your brain is wired that way

[Jack]

there is no proof there is a god


there is mountains of facts to prove that the universe exists


its the universe that has always existed


why is it easy for you to accept one has always existed ?


but not the other


because your brain is wired that way

I support Mental Institutions letting the Inmates have access to the Computers.

[evince]

do you believe in science or in monsters and gods?

[The Ugly Truth]

there is no proof there is a god


there is mountains of facts to prove that the universe exists


its the universe that has always existed


why is it easy for you to accept one has always existed ?


but not the other


because your brain is wired that way

It is physically impossible for the universe to have always existed. If it were true, then there would be no energy left. Second law of thermo dynamics.

[Jack]

do you believe in science or in monsters and gods?

How long have you had Tourette's Syndrome?

[evince]

It is physically impossible for the universe to have always existed. If it were true, then there would be no energy left. Second law of thermo dynamics.

link

[evince]

How long have you had Tourette's Syndrome?

oh I see

you believe in hate

[Jack]

It is physically impossible for the universe to have always existed. If it were true, then there would be no energy left. Second law of thermo dynamics.

Big Bang/Big Crush? Maybe it's pulsating? :)

[Jack]

oh I see

you believe in hate


I believe in trying to read a post before responding to it. I don't think you do that. You strike me as a person that just has a brain fart here and there. (no disrespect ma'am)

[The Ugly Truth]

Big Bang/Big Crush? Maybe it's pulsating? :)

There will be no big crunch. The rate of expansion is accelerating. Try to stay informed.

[evince]

I believe in trying to read a post before responding to it. I don't think you do that. You strike me as a person that just has a brain fart here and there. (no disrespect ma'am)


your hate embrace is recognized


yes I missed the quotation marks in your post

it could be because I didn't really read the OPs post

the op is a complete asshole


hate on dude

see where it gets you in life

[archives]

Simple question. If God did not create the universe, then who or what is responsible? Without a Creator, you have no choice but to believe that there was no cause for the universe. That it created itself. This violates every law of science, since nothing physical can create itself.

Now, before you idiot atheists ask who created God, I will point out the simple fact that God is not physical and has always existed. Any way you slice it, the universe requires a Creator.

Wrong forum, but your hitting yourself in the head with a two by four raising religion as a topic

Your endorsing Aquinas's Prime Mover theory, Aristotelian, looking for ratioanl explanations to spiritual questions on faith

Can't be done, doesn't have to be, think Augustanian, Plato, the belief in God doesn't have to be, actually can't be, explained rationally, you either believe it or you don't, why it is called faith, logic and religion don't interface

[Jack]

There will be no big crunch. The rate of expansion is accelerating. Try to stay informed.

Hey, who knows? That's the beauty of scientific inquiry. People have all kinds of theories and are compelled to tract them down. Religion is dogmatic and shuts down thought. Some say there are multiple universes, like soap bubbles. No one has a problem with YOUR theory that there is a God. Go prove it like all the other scientists do.

[The Ugly Truth]

Wrong forum, but your hitting yourself in the head with a two by four raising religion as a topic

Your endorsing Aquinas's Prime Mover theory, Aristotelian, looking for ratioanl explanations to spiritual questions on faith

Can't be done, doesn't have to be, think Augustanian, Plato, the belief in God doesn't have to be, actually can't be, explained rationally, you either believe it or you don't, why it is called faith, logic and religion don't interface

Nothing physical can create itself. It's a scientific fact. Therefore, the physical universe had a non physical Creator.

[Frank Apisa]

Just as I suspected. Not a single one of you has an intelligent reply.

Just as I suspected...any reply given you will designate as "not intelligent" or "off track."

Stop being such a phony.

And stop pretending to be ignoring me. I know your kind...and my guess is you read everything I post.

[evince]

for some believing in god means they get to hate people.


religion just confuses some people with low morals

[Frank Apisa]

"Why not assume "the universe" was never "created"...that it simply ALWAYS has existed?"

Because that would fuck up his whole narrative.
See ... the narrative has to be 'God always existed'.

And ... talks to Homo Sapiens here on Planet Earth, a truly special place filled with special people here in the vast expanse of the Cosmos.

Yup, I'm afraid you are correct.

We just gotta come back at him...and hope that he and others like him can finally start getting logical.

[Frank Apisa]

It is physically impossible for the universe to have always existed. If it were true, then there would be no energy left. Second law of thermo dynamics.

Oh, Jesus H. Christ.

Don't go scientific on us. Not when positing a being that "created" the universe.

[Frank Apisa]

Nothing physical can create itself. It's a scientific fact. Therefore, the physical universe had a non physical Creator.

Once again...irrationally asserting that "the universe" had to be "created"...just so you can posit a "Creator."

Get off that bullshit. It is a loser.

[archives]

Nothing physical can create itself. It's a scientific fact. Therefore, the physical universe had a non physical Creator.

Try it once more, you are wasting your time, you can't prove that either, assume it, but can't definitively prove it, one can't prove God's existence rationally, but you don't need to, why it is called faith

[The Ugly Truth]

Try it once more, you are wasting your time, you can't prove that either, assume it, but can't definitively prove it, one can't prove God's existence rationally, but you don't need to, why it is called faith

Then perhaps you could give us one example of something creating itself. That would blow my argument out of the water.

[kudzu]

Then perhaps you could give us one example of something creating itself. That would blow my argument out of the water.

Last time I looked there were 250 creation stories to explain to people of the Bronze Age, "where do we come from?"...

Are you really quibbling about an ancient myth?

[Jack]

Yup, I'm afraid you are correct.

We just gotta come back at him...and hope that he and others like him can finally start getting logical.

Frank: "We just gotta come back at him...and hope that he and others like him can finally start getting logical."

My Position:
What if you were on a boat going up the Amazon River. After a day or two, you turned upon a tributary heading further into the unknown. After a week in the Amazonian Wilderness, you detect a Tribe of people. You stop and give them gifts. You try to understand their customs, rituals, their Way of Life.

All cultures throughout Time have some 'storyline' about 'The Beginning'. They have their 'stories', they have their assorted 'heroes'.

Now, you as an educated person ... would YOU try to explain YOUR version of Reality to them, or would you leave them to their ancient and familiar rituals and customs?

My View: Here in the Modern World, we still have Primitive People amongst us. Leave them be. Let them live in THEIR world. Think 'Amish'. Don't you support the Amish to live as they choose?

[The Ugly Truth]

Last time I looked there were 250 creation stories to explain to people of the Bronze Age, "where do we come from?"...

Are you really quibbling about an ancient myth?

Doesn't matter what 'myth' you believe in, as far as this topic goes. It is a scientific fact that nothing physical can create itself. Do you disagree?

[kudzu]

Doesn't matter what 'myth' you believe in, as far as this topic goes. It is a scientific fact that nothing physical can create itself. Do you disagree?

You are trying to make a myth fit scientific theory... or vice versa.. That is childish.

[The Ugly Truth]

You are trying to make a myth fit scientific theory... or vice versa.. That is childish.

No. I stated a scientific fact, then offered an alternative. The only alternative. If something physical cannot create itself, that means someone created it. Simple logic.

[kudzu]

No. I stated a scientific fact, then offered an alternative. The only alternative. If something physical cannot create itself, that means someone created it. Simple logic.


So you believe Genesis and that the earth is almost 6,000 years old?

[The Ugly Truth]

So you believe Genesis and that the earth is almost 6,000 years old?

Do you believe that something physical can create itself?

[Guno צְבִי]

Just as I suspected. Not a single one of you has an intelligent reply.

well so much for that

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?95555-Goodbye&p=2373360#post2373360

[domer76]

Simple question. If God did not create the universe, then who or what is responsible? Without a Creator, you have no choice but to believe that there was no cause for the universe. That it created itself. This violates every law of science, since nothing physical can create itself.

Now, before you idiot atheists ask who created God, I will point out the simple fact that God is not physical and has always existed. Any way you slice it, the universe requires a Creator.

Your god is not phyical and has always existed? Who told you so? Your god?

What happened to that “created man in his own image” horseshit?

:lolup::rofl2:

[domer76]

Just as I suspected. Not a single one of you has an intelligent reply.

Priceless!

Folks, you can’t cut the irony here with a chain saw!

[domer76]

There will be no big crunch. The rate of expansion is accelerating. Try to stay informed.

It is accelerating? How do you know?

Oh, that’s right. SCIENTISTS, the same guys who provide actual SCIENTIFIC theories, told you so.

Gotta laugh at the disconnect there.

[domer76]

No. I stated a scientific fact, then offered an alternative. The only alternative. If something physical cannot create itself, that means someone created it. Simple logic.

It’s a scientific fact that your god has always existed? Please site a peer reviewed article on that.

[The Ugly Truth]

Do you believe that something physical can create itself?

Are you going to answer the question, Kudzu?

[evince]

Your god is not phyical and has always existed? Who told you so? Your god?

What happened to that “created man in his own image” horseshit?

:lolup::rofl2:

man created god

mankind needed god at the time


that time may end

or we may always have a section of the population that needs a God


believe whatever you want people


don't try to force others to believe things you cant prove


accept that others don't believe in god for good reasons

its your faith

NOT FACTS

[Frank Apisa]

Then perhaps you could give us one example of something creating itself. That would blow my argument out of the water.

Your god.

[Frank Apisa]

Frank: "We just gotta come back at him...and hope that he and others like him can finally start getting logical."

My Position:
What if you were on a boat going up the Amazon River. After a day or two, you turned upon a tributary heading further into the unknown. After a week in the Amazonian Wilderness, you detect a Tribe of people. You stop and give them gifts. You try to understand their customs, rituals, their Way of Life.

All cultures throughout Time have some 'storyline' about 'The Beginning'. They have their 'stories', they have their assorted 'heroes'.

Now, you as an educated person ... would YOU try to explain YOUR version of Reality to them, or would you leave them to their ancient and familiar rituals and customs?

My View: Here in the Modern World, we still have Primitive People amongst us. Leave them be. Let them live in THEIR world. Think 'Amish'. Don't you support the Amish to live as they choose?

Okay. I get your point.

I still like to dance with an ugly woman once in a while.

[Jack]

Okay. I get your point.

I still like to dance with an ugly woman once in a while.

hahahahahaha ... Oh, I agree. They bring it on themselves. It's hard NOT to respond. :)

[The Ugly Truth]

Why are you people avoiding the question? Can something physical create itself? It's a simple yes or no question. I think I know why you won't answer. If you answer yes, you look like a fool. If you answer no, then you agree with me. Lol. You can't win.

[Jack]

You know, it's an interesting question. With all our technology, the super computers, all the DNA and Genome knowledge we are acquiring, we still can't create 'Life'.

My son thinks Aliens seeded the Planet. That's as good as any other theory I've heard.

[Frank Apisa]

You know, it's an interesting question. With all our technology, the super computers, all the DNA and Genome knowledge we are acquiring, we still can't create 'Life'.

My son thinks Aliens seeded the Planet. That's as good as any other theory I've heard.

Jack...

...the answer to the question, "Can something physical create itself?"...

...is...

...wait for it...

...I DO NOT KNOW...AND NEITHER DOES THE UGLY ONE.

Nobody does.

If what we humans call "the universe" is a creation (something we do not know, but people like the ugly one blindly guesses is the case)...

...anyway, if what we humans call "the universe" is a creation...it either was created by something else or it was created by ITSELF.

We simply do not know.

Fact is, we actually do not even know if this thing we humans call "the universe" IS A PHYSICAL THING.

It may not be. (More about that some other time.)

The fact is that science may some day determine that SOME physical things CAN create themselves. It may even determine that this thing we humans call "the universe" DID JUST THAT...CREATED ITSELF.

Or it may determine that it, or its precursors, ALWAYS existed.

Ugly is being a dickhead about this...but ya gotta understand it. He thinks that "Creator" of his might find a reason to punish him by having him endure torture for all the rest of eternity.

Big motivation for all that bullshit of his.

By the way...Ugly is pretending to ignore me. He's supposedly not going to see any of this. You might want to discuss it.

[domer76]

Why are you people avoiding the question? Can something physical create itself? It's a simple yes or no question. I think I know why you won't answer. If you answer yes, you look like a fool. If you answer no, then you agree with me. Lol. You can't win.

The answer is you invented your god, pally boy. Including the version where he/she/it is not physical and has existed forever. The only part you got correct is the scientific fact that the universe is expanding at an accelerated rate. That’s what the SCIENTISTS have told you. Not the voices in your head.

[Jack]

Jack...

...the answer to the question, "Can something physical create itself?"...

...is...

...wait for it...

...I DO NOT KNOW...AND NEITHER DOES THE UGLY ONE.

Nobody does.

If what we humans call "the universe" is a creation (something we do not know, but people like the ugly one blindly guesses is the case)...

...anyway, if what we humans call "the universe" is a creation...it either was created by something else or it was created by ITSELF.

We simply do not know.

Fact is, we actually do not even know if this thing we humans call "the universe" IS A PHYSICAL THING.

It may not be. (More about that some other time.)

The fact is that science may some day determine that SOME physical things CAN create themselves. It may even determine that this thing we humans call "the universe" DID JUST THAT...CREATED ITSELF.

Or it may determine that it, or its precursors, ALWAYS existed.

Ugly is being a dickhead about this...but ya gotta understand it. He thinks that "Creator" of his might find a reason to punish him by having him endure torture for all the rest of eternity.

Big motivation for all that bullshit of his.

By the way...Ugly is pretending to ignore me. He's supposedly not going to see any of this. You might want to discuss it.

I agree with what you say.
I heard some scientist remark "If the Seven Dwarfs are running the Universe, we'll let you know."
That's good enough for me.

I think in the 'olden days', the High Priests held all the Answers, now it seems their descendants (Ministers of God) are Frauds and it's just a money-making operation. It probably should be illegal but ... when is fleecing the ignorant a crime?

[CFM]

Which creation story do you believe? There are hundreds of them.

I believe you were created when two monkeys butt fucked.

[evince]

I believe you were created when two monkeys butt fucked.

wow

I guess your parents gave you the wrong "talk"

[evince]

I agree with what you say.
I heard some scientist remark "If the Seven Dwarfs are running the Universe, we'll let you know."
That's good enough for me.

I think in the 'olden days', the High Priests held all the Answers, now it seems their descendants (Ministers of God) are Frauds and it's just a money-making operation. It probably should be illegal but ... when is fleecing the ignorant a crime?

some human brains are wired for god beliefs


when humans knew next to nothing about how the world operated believing in a God like creature helped them survive a hostile world




human brain wiring



give them a break


believe whatever is in your heart folks

don't try to beat others over the head with your preferred myths


SCIENCE belief is not equal to a religion


the people who game science to make money or gain power are evil


don't follow them

[CFM]

wow

I guess your parents gave you the wrong "talk"

You mean the wrong talk yours gave you about how someone can be the other gender because they feel that way?

One monkey butt fucked the other, shit came out, and they named it kudzu.

[evince]

You mean the wrong talk yours gave you about how someone can be the other gender because they feel that way?

One monkey butt fucked the other, shit came out, and they named it kudzu.


that also involves brain wiring


its all sciencey


you idiot dick in the dirt dragging racists wont like it

[CFM]

that also involves brain wiring


its all sciencey


you idiot dick in the dirt dragging racists wont like it

Apparently kudzu's existence was dependent upon two monkey butt fucking.

[evince]

Apparently kudzu's existence was dependent upon two monkey butt fucking.

YOUR MOMMY LIED TO YOU ABOUT SEX

[hypGnosis]

Why are you people avoiding the question? Can something physical create itself? It's a simple yes or no question. I think I know why you won't answer. If you answer yes, you look like a fool. If you answer no, then you agree with me. Lol. You can't win.

No, it is not a simple Yes or No question.

If we had evidence of something creating itself, then the answer would be a definitive YES.

Lacking that evidence does not mean it is not possible ... The answer could either be Yes or no one knows.

You have a great deal of work to establish a definitive NO.

LOL to your dark heart's content, but until you (Nobel Prize winning advance in Science here) can prove it impossible, you've got nothing except your sophomoric mockery.
.

[The Ugly Truth]

No, it is not a simple Yes or No question.

If we had evidence of something creating itself, then the answer would be a definitive YES.

Lacking that evidence does not mean it is not possible ... The answer could either be Yes or no one knows.

You have a great deal of work to establish a definitive NO.

LOL to your dark heart's content, but until you (Nobel Prize winning advance in Science here) can prove it impossible, you've got nothing except your sophomoric mockery.
.

All of science is based on the law of causality. Nothing can create itself. It's a scientific fact. Deny it all you want. You just look like a fool.

[Frank Apisa]

No, it is not a simple Yes or No question.

If we had evidence of something creating itself, then the answer would be a definitive YES.

Lacking that evidence does not mean it is not possible ... The answer could either be Yes or no one knows.

You have a great deal of work to establish a definitive NO.

LOL to your dark heart's content, but until you (Nobel Prize winning advance in Science here) can prove it impossible, you've got nothing except your sophomoric mockery.
.

He cannot accept the "we do not know" answer, because he wants his blind guess to be correct.

Don't waste your time with him. He starts these kinds of threads every once in a while. It is a form of mental masturbation on his part.

[domer76]

All of science is based on the law of causality. Nothing can create itself. It's a scientific fact. Deny it all you want. You just look like a fool.

"You just look like a fool."

Jesus Christ in a Crapper, the irony just gets thicker with every post from the Thumper!