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Brent
07-26-2006, 11:58 AM
I often hear left-wingers offer praise to Nelson Mandela. This is the man who killed thousands of innocent White farmers, stole their land for his cause, and killed thousands Blacks who would not join his Communist organization. Mandella is a sick man and a brutal, racist dictator. He should have never been set free from prison. The only reason he should have been removed from his cell is to be lynched.

Immanuel
07-26-2006, 03:50 PM
Lynched?

Such a sentimental word to use when you are discussing a man of color. Do you always try to be so sensitive to others feeling?

Immie

Brent
07-27-2006, 12:49 AM
Lynched?

Such a sentimental word to use when you are discussing a man of color. Do you always try to be so sensitive to others feeling?

Immie

Oh. My. Lord.

Please assure me you are joking, Immanuel. :) Pretty please!

I do not care if he is lynched, shot, stoned, whatever - my point is, he is a mass-murderer who favored violence against innocent people in order to accomplish his twisted political goals. Lynching just seems most practical, because it does not cost anything.

charver
07-27-2006, 03:10 AM
Brent, you are advocating hanging to such an extent that i suspect you are either -

(a) an investor in a small rope manufacturing operation, or

(b) on the pipe.

maineman
07-27-2006, 03:57 AM
Brent's claims to Christianity are an insult to real Christians.

The folks on the right wing wacko fringe think that Brent is a right wing wacko.

All heat... no light.

Immanuel
07-27-2006, 06:04 AM
Oh. My. Lord.

Please assure me you are joking, Immanuel. :) Pretty please!

I do not care if he is lynched, shot, stoned, whatever - my point is, he is a mass-murderer who favored violence against innocent people in order to accomplish his twisted political goals. Lynching just seems most practical, because it does not cost anything.

Really? First off the term is highly inappropriate and maybe deliberately inflammatory but I'll let that slide.

I'm very interested in your Biblical justification for your views on this mostly your interpretation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and how this fits into the Grace that God has given us through the death of is son. Please show me Biblical references for this.

Immie

maineman
07-27-2006, 06:07 AM
Really? First off the term is highly inappropriate and maybe deliberately inflammatory but I'll let that slide.

I'm very interested in your Biblical justification for your views on this mostly your interpretation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and how this fits into the Grace that God has given us through the death of is son. Please show me Biblical references for this.

Immie

you should have specified the New Testament!

maineman
07-27-2006, 06:09 AM
and anyone who considers equality for the vast majority of people living in a country as a "twisted political goal" is sickeningly twisted themselves.

Immanuel
07-27-2006, 06:18 AM
and anyone who considers equality for the vast majority of people living in a country as a "twisted political goal" is sickeningly twisted themselves.

Technically I did:

"mostly your interpretation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ"

And I mentioned the Gospel deliberately to separate it from the Old Testament and the out of context Levitical passages that I knew he would try to throw at us.

Immie

maineman
07-27-2006, 06:22 AM
Brent gives Christians a bad name

Brent
07-27-2006, 09:38 AM
Immanuel,

We (80%+ of Christians) interpret Exodus chapter twenty-one to support the death penalty with a clean conscience, as you once did. We do not ignore the fact that the death penalty was ordained of God before the Law of Moses in Genesis 9:6. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. Nelson Mandela is guilty of such a crime, and is therefore worthy of death. He is a sick man who killed political opponents and their wives and their children. To hang him would be an act of righteousness.

Christ saves us from spiritual death, not physical death.
Or is YOUR body going to live forever, Immanuel?

Besides, I think you've flip-flopped on the death penalty enough that you no longer have any credibility on this issue as far as I am concerned. Clearly it is a matter of emotion for you and not a matter of conscience.

YOU have no right to judge me, Immanuel.
What I believe in regards to the death penalty is between the Lord and I.

Brent
07-27-2006, 09:45 AM
you should have specified the New Testament!

You should rip out your Old Testament from your Bible and cast it into the fire. Obviously you have no need for it, since you think it is worthless and archaic.

Immanuel
07-27-2006, 09:57 AM
Immanuel,

We (80%+ of Christians) interpret Exodus chapter twenty-one to support the death penalty with a clean conscience, as you once did. We do not ignore the fact that the death penalty was ordained of God before the Law of Moses in Genesis 9:6. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. Nelson Mandela is guilty of such a crime, and is therefore worthy of death. He is a sick man who killed political opponents and their wives and their children. To hang him would be an act of righteousness.

Christ saves us from spiritual death, not physical death.
Or is YOUR body going to live forever, Immanuel?

Besides, I think you've flip-flopped on the death penalty enough that you no longer have any credibility on this issue as far as I am concerned. Clearly it is a matter of emotion for you and not a matter of conscience.

YOU have no right to judge me, Immanuel.
What I believe in regards to the death penalty is between the Lord and I.

Brent,

Ye who judge people on hourly basis have no right to judge me. Maybe you should try reading the Book of Romans. I think Romans 2 would be a good place to start.

I must confess that I wonder if you are truly Christian. You viewpoints are much more in line with Adolf Hitler's who liked to quote the Bible but was no where near Christian than they are with Jesus Christ.

Immie

Immanuel
07-27-2006, 10:03 AM
How many times have I flip flopped, Brent?

Once. I've changed from being very much pro-death penalty to one who has reservations based solely on the human use of it.

How many times have you flip flopped on your Christian beliefs? I can't count but you started as a RR Christian and have been a Christian Falangist and a Mormon and God knows how many other extremist view points in just the couple of years you have been on this site?

You think you have any credibility?

Immie

Jarod
07-27-2006, 10:06 AM
I often hear left-wingers offer praise to Nelson Mandela. This is the man who killed thousands of innocent White farmers, stole their land for his cause, and killed thousands Blacks who would not join his Communist organization. Mandella is a sick man and a brutal, racist dictator. He should have never been set free from prison. The only reason he should have been removed from his cell is to be lynched.


Cite? Or did you just make these allegations up? :confused:

Immanuel
07-27-2006, 10:08 AM
I'm beginning to think, Brent, that maybe you are a tool of the devil attempting to destroy the credibility of people of faith.

Immie

OrnotBitwise
07-27-2006, 10:13 AM
I'm beginning to think, Brent, that maybe you are a tool of the devil attempting to destroy the credibility of people of faith.

Immie
I've been saying that for some time. Well, not that exactly, but something not too dissimilar.

Brent's just too bent to be believed. :cool:

maineman
07-27-2006, 10:30 AM
You should rip out your Old Testament from your Bible and cast it into the fire. Obviously you have no need for it, since you think it is worthless and archaic.


For someone who claims to be a Christian, you seem awfully flippant about the teachings of Jesus..... perhaps you should rip out your New Testament since you seem to have no need for the compassionate teachings of the Christ.

Brent
07-27-2006, 06:39 PM
Immanuel,

Help me understand, here.

You say you are not opposed to the death penalty -- you simply have reservations about its use. In other words, you agree there might be SOME cases where it MAY be justified. Is that correct? Now, here I am saying a man who killed thousands of innocent farmers, and/or stole their land, and oppressed a large group of people based on the color of their skin, and killed Blacks who did not agree with him, should be executed; and then you have the nerve to suggest that I am not a Christian -- that I am "judging" Nelson Mandela, who is a genocidal maniac in the image of Adolf Hitler. Naturally, that leads to ask you the question: if Mandela does not deserve the death penalty, WHO DOES?

Also, per usual, you never forget to emphasize what a PERFECT Christian you are. You talk of Grace, but you do not show any Grace towards me. Did you ever stop to consider that, even if the death penalty is wrong, that GOD simply has not spoken to me regarding this matter?

I see nothing in the Bible condemning the death penalty. Nothing. And the Spirit has never convicted me to believe otherwise. So what the hell do you expect me to do?

If you want to talk, respond rationally. "You are not a Christian, you're from Satan" is not going to cut it. Look, I can respect that you have reservations about the death penaly, but don't you DARE suggest that I am not a Christian because I believe the death penalty is OK with God. Especially considering I have Biblical passages to support my beliefs.

So let's see who is rational now.

If you plan on responding as you've done thus far, don't even bother, because I do not plan on responding to you, and you'll immediately find yourself on my ignore list. That wouldn't be a very good testimony, now would it? But if you wish to discuss our beliefs, and explain your convictions, rather than judging me because I do not share your convictions, THEN we can talk.

Regards,
Brent

tinfoil
07-27-2006, 06:44 PM
Brent, you are advocating hanging to such an extent that i suspect you are either -

(a) an investor in a small rope manufacturing operation, or

(b) on the pipe.

LOL'd

Immanuel
07-27-2006, 06:57 PM
I see Brent. You can attack me and say I have no crebility, but I cannot respond in kind.

I meant exactly what I said regarding you behaving like a tool of the devil. Every word of it. You come on these sites and make an all out ass of yourself while proclaiming to be Godly. You act as if you worship Adolf Hitler and Mussolini and the likes and expect me to welcome you as a brother? Ain't gonna happen.

As for your belief regarding the death penatly. I have no problem with them. They had nothing to do with my statements about you. My statements are in regards to your completely unchristian ramblings, your nearly weekly changes from mormon to what have you and your absolutely hateful manner to non-Christians.

Christian means Christlike and I will definitely tell you that you are in no way, shape or form Christlike. In fact, for you to claim to be is an insult to Jesus Christ.

And I don't give a crap whether you respond to this or not.

Immie

maineman
07-27-2006, 07:00 PM
fighting against racist oppression is not an action that deserves the death penalty

Immanuel
07-27-2006, 07:00 PM
Also Brent,

In reference to your ramblings about Nelson Mandela. I believe you were asked to provide a link regarding your accusations. I honestly have never heard that shit before. Please put up or shut up and show your proof.

Immie

maineman
07-27-2006, 07:01 PM
does brent think we ought to hang those folks from operation rescue who bombed abortion clinics?

Brent
07-27-2006, 07:03 PM
I see Brent. You can attack me and say I have no crebility, but I cannot respond in kind.

Well, for that I apologize; but I still maintain that you're judging me by an unfair standard.


You act as if you worship Adolf Hitler and Mussolini and the likes and expect me to welcome you as a brother? Ain't gonna happen.

Where have I done anything less than CONDEMN Adolf Hitler and Mussolini? Find the quotes, Immie. Alternatively, you can admit now that you just lied.


As for your belief regarding the death penatly. I have no problem with them. They had nothing to do with my statements about you. My statements are in regards to your completely unchristian ramblings, your nearly weekly changes from mormon to what have you and your absolutely hateful manner to non-Christians.

So why take this subject off-topic?
If you think I'm deserving of rebuke, shouldn't it be done in private?

Matthew 18:15 says:

"If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private;"

Any thoughts on that, Immanuel?

Immanuel
07-27-2006, 07:03 PM
Every bit of research that I have pulled up on him today tells me that you are pulling those accusations out of your ass as you normally do. Skinhead.

Immie

Brent
07-27-2006, 07:05 PM
Every bit of research that I have pulled up on him today tells me that you are pulling those accusations out of your ass as you normally do.

Liberal "research," no doubt.

Have you ever met anyone, particularly Whites, from South Africa? I have...


Skinhead.

Another lie. I am anti-racist. Some of my best friends are people of other races.

Any more hate smearing, Immie?

Immanuel
07-27-2006, 07:06 PM
"If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private;"

If you think I have sinned against you then come to me in private.

In the meantime, skinhead, please provide some backup to your ramblings about Nelson Mandela.

Immie

Immanuel
07-27-2006, 07:07 PM
Liberal "research," no doubt.

Have you ever met anyone, particularly Whites, from South Africa? I have...



Another lie. I am anti-racist. Some of my best friends are people of other races.

Any more hate smearing, Immie?

The skinhead reference was, as you no doubt realize a reference to one of your more telling trolls.

Immie

Immanuel
07-27-2006, 07:08 PM
That being a troll that you seem to mold right into the personage of.

Immie

Brent
07-27-2006, 07:10 PM
"If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private;"

If you think I have sinned against you then come to me in private.

In the meantime, skinhead, please provide some backup to your ramblings about Nelson Mandela.

Immie

Try to keep up with me here, Immanual.

YOU are the one trying to rebuke ME. So why don't you do it in private?

Why on the public forums? Do you have something to prove?

Beefy
07-27-2006, 07:11 PM
Liberal "research," no doubt.

Have you ever met anyone, particularly Whites, from South Africa? I have...



Another lie. I am anti-racist. Some of my best friends are people of other races.

Any more hate smearing, Immie?


Sorry to face you like this, but you asked for it:

t has now been a couple of weeks since I announced that I had lost my mind. Yes, I went completely over the deep end. The good news is, I am recovering quickly, and as part of that recovery, I am now willing to admit a few things about myself:

I am a complete liar -- lying is easier for me than telling the truth.
I am a racist (I am bigotted towards Asians and Hispanics).
I hate feminists so much I want to see them die.
I am a heartless bastard who thinks "every man for himself."
I am filled with uncontrollable anger at the world.
I categorize entire groups of people as scum.

There are other faults of mine, but to summarize, I am a hypocrite of a Christian. Now I am willing to admit that. However, I also deeply want a change of heart. I want to let go of the hate and embrace the love of Christ for all mankind.

Perhaps some of you might be interested in helping, and in the process, maybe we can help each other.

Regards,
Brent

http://www.fullpolitics.com/viewthread.php?tid=17818

Posted on 5-15-06

2 months bdw. This is why you're having credibility problems here.

Immanuel
07-27-2006, 07:12 PM
Try to keep up with me here, Immanual.

YOU are the one trying to rebuke ME. So why don't you do it in private?

Why on the public forums? Do you have something to prove?

You have not sinned against me. If anything you have sinned against the whole board.

If it were up to me, skinhead, I would just ignore you. However, you continue to spout your unchristlike "Christianity" on this board. I feel the need to call you on it.

I would pray that you would turn from it, but I fear that you do it on purpose for the reason stated above.

Immie

Brent
07-27-2006, 07:13 PM
Here is a lovely quote from Mandela:

"We Communist Party members are the most advanced revolutionaries in modern history." He also said, "The Communist movement still faces powerful enemies which must be completely crushed and wiped out from the face of the earth before a Communist world can be realized." Furthermore, "The people of South Africa, led by the SACP (South African Communist Party]), will destroy capitalism and build in its place socialism."

Brent
07-27-2006, 07:14 PM
Immanuel, congratulations, you've earned a spot on my ignore list.

You've lied at least three times in this thread, and you show no desire of repenting. You're an arrogant, holier-than-thou, hypocritical asshole.

Immanuel
07-27-2006, 07:17 PM
I'm waiting for your proof on the crimes of Nelson Mandela. Surely, you have them at your fingertips. Even if my research is "liberal" which I am not unwilling to accept, you must be able to prove your accusations.

Please provide your links soon.

We are all waiting with baited breath.

Immie

Brent
07-27-2006, 07:17 PM
This message is hidden because Immanuel is on your ignore list.

Wow. Big improvement. :)

This is what happens when people trash-talk, lie, and hate-smear, with no effort whatsoever to discuss and respect differences.

Immanuel
07-27-2006, 07:17 PM
You are still posting lies Brent.

Nothing in there talks of the murders you spoke of.

Immie

Beefy
07-27-2006, 07:18 PM
Immanuel, congratulations, you've earned a spot on my ignore list.

You've lied at least three times in this thread, and you show no desire of repenting. You're an arrogant, holier-than-thou, hypocritical asshole.

Admit it, you're just mad because he brought up Skinhead, and showed you the error of your ways.

Anyway, I'll be in Seattle next month, would you like to get some beers, hookers and pot? Well, a beer anyway?

Immanuel
07-27-2006, 07:18 PM
Brent ignores me because he gets his ass handed to him again.

Oh well, no big loss.

Immie

Brent
07-27-2006, 07:19 PM
This message is hidden because Immanuel is on your ignore list.

Yep, much better. ;)

When you're ready to patch things up, Immanuel, you know my e-mail address.

Beefy
07-27-2006, 07:19 PM
Wow. Big improvement. :)

This is what happens when people trash-talk, lie, and hate-smear, with no effort whatsoever to discuss and respect differences.

Look who's talking.

Brent
07-27-2006, 07:21 PM
Look who's talking.

I am not the one claiming other Christians are tools of Satan.

Furthermore, when I make invalid statements, I apologize. Heck, I even apologized in this thread.

Immanuel
07-27-2006, 07:21 PM
Hehe,

I'm trash-talking because I brought up his favorite alter-ego.

Immie

maineman
07-27-2006, 07:23 PM
brent is on record as being a racist....

Nelson Mandela fighting against the terrible oppression of apartheid is hardly a crime.

Brent is no more a Christian than Madelyn Murray

Immanuel
07-27-2006, 07:24 PM
I'm waiting for him to back up his trash about Mandela. Probably be waiting throughout the life of this board, but oh well. {shrug}

Too bad, I really would have liked to have seen it.

Immie

Brent
07-27-2006, 07:25 PM
brent is on record as being a racist...

I've had my share of bigotries. Hasn't everyone?

By the Grace of God, I've mostly worked through those bigotries. I no longer am bigotted towards Asians at all. (That was my particular area of bigotry). See, I recognize bigotry is a sin, and I'm working past it. Fair enough? :)


Nelson Mandela fighting against the terrible oppression of apartheid is hardly a crime.

He released 9,000 terroists from prison who immediately killed White farmers and took their hand. Mandela supported these and other acts of brutality. He is a racist, marxist swine.


Brent is no more a Christian than Madelyn Murray

Well, unlike you and Immanuel, I don't claim to be the perfect Christian.

I'm a sinner saved by Grace.

Beefy
07-27-2006, 07:26 PM
Sorry to face you like this, but you asked for it:

t has now been a couple of weeks since I announced that I had lost my mind. Yes, I went completely over the deep end. The good news is, I am recovering quickly, and as part of that recovery, I am now willing to admit a few things about myself:

I am a complete liar -- lying is easier for me than telling the truth.
I am a racist (I am bigotted towards Asians and Hispanics).
I hate feminists so much I want to see them die.
I am a heartless bastard who thinks "every man for himself."
I am filled with uncontrollable anger at the world.
I categorize entire groups of people as scum.

There are other faults of mine, but to summarize, I am a hypocrite of a Christian. Now I am willing to admit that. However, I also deeply want a change of heart. I want to let go of the hate and embrace the love of Christ for all mankind.

Perhaps some of you might be interested in helping, and in the process, maybe we can help each other.

Regards,
Brent

http://www.fullpolitics.com/viewthread.php?tid=17818

Posted on 5-15-06

2 months bdw. This is why you're having credibility problems here.


Just want to make sure everyone saw this. I like Brent, I think he is a good fellah, but I have to call him out when I see him pulling shenanigans.

maineman
07-27-2006, 07:26 PM
I am waiting for him to explain how oppressed blakcs in south africa fighting apartheid were committing heinous crimes? Apartheid was the heinous crime!

Brent
07-27-2006, 07:29 PM
I am waiting for him to explain how oppressed blakcs in south africa fighting apartheid were committing heinous crimes? Apartheid was the heinous crime!

Killing innocent farmers and raping women and children are the heinous crimes.

Brent
07-27-2006, 07:30 PM
Just want to make sure everyone saw this. I like Brent, I think he is a good fellah, but I have to call him out when I see him pulling shenanigans.

Like I said:

"By the Grace of God, I've mostly worked through those bigotries. I no longer am bigotted towards Asians at all. (That was my particular area of bigotry). See, I recognize bigotry is a sin, and I'm working past it. Fair enough?"

Immanuel
07-27-2006, 07:30 PM
Well, unlike you and Immanuel, I don't claim to be the perfect Christian.

I'm a sinner saved by Grace.

Would someone please point out to me where I have ever claimed to be a perfect Christian?

Immie

maineman
07-27-2006, 07:32 PM
Killing innocent farmers and raping women and children are the heinous crimes.

link?

and how do farmers who participate in and perpetuate a government that creates apartheid get off as being "innocent"?

Beefy
07-27-2006, 07:33 PM
Like I said:

"By the Grace of God, I've mostly worked through those bigotries. I no longer am bigotted towards Asians at all. (That was my particular area of bigotry). See, I recognize bigotry is a sin, and I'm working past it. Fair enough?"

What about Hispanics? Why do you feel compelled to ignore Immie anyway? You're shortchanging yourself. If you're ignoring him, you are merely cementing your reputation of one who cannot tolerate argument, dissent or tolerance itself. It makes me think twice about your ability to overcome your prejudices so quickly.

You must realize that you give more information by your actions than by your proclamations. Just a tip for you buddy.

maineman
07-27-2006, 07:34 PM
link?

and how do farmers who participate in and perpetuate a government that creates apartheid get off as being "innocent"?


their ancestors conquer the land, subjegate the people and set up a government where the white minority rules over the black majority and keeps them downtrodden and without equal rights and they are INNOCENT? bullshit.

Brent
07-27-2006, 07:37 PM
What about Hispanics?

My only area of bigotry towards Hispanics was those who come here and don't know English. I came to realize there are many reasons why that could be, and therefore I should not judge. Not necessarily because they don't want to learn English.

It just annoyed the hell out of me, that's all.


Why do you feel compelled to ignore Immie anyway? You're shortchanging yourself. If you're ignoring him, you are merely cementing your reputation of one who cannot tolerate argument, dissent or tolerance itself. It makes me think twice about your ability to overcome your prejudices so quickly.

You must realize that you give more information by your actions than by your proclamations. Just a tip for you buddy.

You are not on my ignore list because you offer constructive criticism, and I can see some of it is valid. Immie is on my list because he does not wish to discuss anything. He is militant, arrogant, and holds me to standards which, until recently, he did not meet up to himself.

Immanuel
07-27-2006, 07:38 PM
What about Hispanics? Why do you feel compelled to ignore Immie anyway? You're shortchanging yourself. If you're ignoring him, you are merely cementing your reputation of one who cannot tolerate argument, dissent or tolerance itself. It makes me think twice about your ability to overcome your prejudices so quickly.

Stop it please. I rather like being on his ignore list. I can say all kinds of nasty things about him and not worry about any reprisals. ;)

Immie

Brent
07-27-2006, 07:39 PM
their ancestors conquer the land, subjegate the people and set up a government where the white minority rules over the black majority and keeps them downtrodden and without equal rights and they are INNOCENT? bullshit.

So, what you're saying is, EVERYONE WHITE in South Africa is a racist?
INNOCENT PEOPLE were killed at the hands of this butcherer Mandela.

WHO IS THE RACIST NOW?

Beefy
07-27-2006, 07:41 PM
Stop it please. I rather like being on his ignore list. I can say all kinds of nasty things about him and not worry about any reprisals. ;)

Immie

Okay, but I know you don't say nasty things. I just think its an ego thing for him.

maineman
07-27-2006, 07:42 PM
you have yet to show us any evidence that Nelson Mandela butchered anyone...

and I am saying that whites in south africa that did not rise up against Apartheid were complicit... and therefore not innocent. I doubt highly that any whites who died in the struggle to end apartheid were "butchered" and if they were killed, I doubt highly that they had previously opposed Apartheid

Brent
07-27-2006, 07:43 PM
Stop it please. I rather like being on his ignore list. I can say all kinds of nasty things about him and not worry about any reprisals.

OK, that is funny.

Immanuel
07-27-2006, 07:43 PM
does brent think we ought to hang those folks from operation rescue who bombed abortion clinics?


Dang! I missed that comment, Mainemane. I'd sure like to see an answer to that.

Immie

Beefy
07-27-2006, 07:45 PM
you have yet to show us any evidence that Nelson Mandela butchered anyone...

and I am saying that whites in south africa that did not rise up against Apartheid were complicit... and therefore not innocent. I doubt highly that any whites who died in the struggle to end apartheid were "butchered" and if they were killed, I doubt highly that they had previously opposed Apartheid

This sure sounds like the "with us or against us" bullshit that W was spouting while selling us this fucked up war.

Immanuel
07-27-2006, 07:55 PM
OK, that is funny.

Thanks a lot Beefy. It looks like I am no longer on his ignore list. I will repay your kindness in a most gruesome way.

Brent, when or if you read this. I don't hate you in any way. I was trying to get a point across. And I don't think I said you were a tool of the devil rather I said you acted like one. Big difference there in my books.

I'll go back and check.

Immie

maineman
07-27-2006, 07:56 PM
This sure sounds like the "with us or against us" bullshit that W was spouting while selling us this fucked up war.

no ..it doesn't.... the whites in South Africa were either part of the solution or part of the problem... do you recall any of them giving up the farmlands that their ancestors had taken at gunpoint?

Immanuel
07-27-2006, 07:58 PM
I'm beginning to think, Brent, that maybe you are a tool of the devil attempting to destroy the credibility of people of faith.

Immie

Okay, well it wasn't that you were acting like one but I did not say you WERE a tool of the devil. It was probably a little harsh.

I do apologize for that. Next time I will make sure I say you are acting like one.

Immie.

Beefy
07-27-2006, 08:03 PM
no ..it doesn't.... the whites in South Africa were either part of the solution or part of the problem... do you recall any of them giving up the farmlands that their ancestors had taken at gunpoint?

Its all relative. Are you giving your house back to the indians? It can be extrapolated as an argument. Colonization is an ugly thing, and it leads to more ugliness. We are where we are because of such ugliness. Does that make sense?
*note, I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but on message boards it can look that way. Everything here is at face value.

maineman
07-27-2006, 08:12 PM
it is all relative...my guess is that the pressure for me to give my house back to the indians would be significantly greater if native americans were the overwhelming majority of the population, don't you think? And the land in Maine where MY house is located was purchased from the Penobscot Indians

Beefy
07-27-2006, 08:15 PM
it is all relative...my guess is that the pressure for me to give my house back to the indians would be significantly greater if native americans were the overwhelming majority of the population, don't you think? And the land in Maine where MY house is located was purchased from the Penobscot Indians

So it makes a difference if the population being oppressed is a majority? It would matter less if it was a minority? At what point does it become relevant?

maineman
07-27-2006, 08:18 PM
you asked if I would give up my house...I said no and I said why.

deal with it.

Beefy
07-27-2006, 08:23 PM
You also said that it would be different if it were a majority. I called you out on it. Deal with it, and answer the question if you can.

maineman
07-27-2006, 08:29 PM
it would be different.... wouldn't it? If there were a handful of caucasians who had stolen the native american's land and were livin' large while millions and millions of native americans were subjegated as second class citizens, do you not think that there would be a different dynamic than we have here today?

and I answered your UN question.... did that clear that up for you?

Beefy
07-27-2006, 08:35 PM
it would be different.... wouldn't it? If there were a handful of caucasians who had stolen the native american's land and were livin' large while millions and millions of native americans were subjegated as second class citizens, do you not think that there would be a different dynamic than we have here today?

and I answered your UN question.... did that clear that up for you?

Indeed it would be a different dynamic. Thanks for the answer. Its a funny thing about collectivist thought though isn't it. That the individual doesn;t matter that much, that you have to place a number on something for it to matter. That's a big difference between you and me.

At what point do the numbers outweigh the injustice?

maineman
07-27-2006, 08:40 PM
where did I ever say that the individual did not matter? I really get tired of you and your pal dixie making a living by putting words in other folks' mouths

Beefy
07-27-2006, 08:44 PM
where did I ever say that the individual did not matter? I really get tired of you and your pal dixie making a living by putting words in other folks' mouths


My pal Dixie. Okay. Whatever.

My point is that your statements indicate that certain property issues become more pertinent with numbers. That the number of people behind a certain issue give said issue more validation. Its collectivist.

my guess is that the pressure for me to give my house back to the indians would be significantly greater if native americans were the overwhelming majority of the population

How does this respect the individual?

Brent
07-27-2006, 08:47 PM
This is nice. The only time I have to read Immie's statements are when you fellas quote him. Hmm. Maybe I should ignore Maineman, too? ;) I love this feature!

Beefy
07-27-2006, 08:53 PM
This is nice. The only time I have to read Immie's statements are when you fellas quote him. Hmm. Maybe I should ignore Maineman, too? ;) I love this feature!

Don't be getting all flippant with the ignore feature, unless you want to shield yourself from dissent and thus become irrelevant yourself. It is there for trolls, like the ones you used to use. Not for guys like maine or immie. Don't shoot yourself in the foot.
If you want to ignore everyone, go to http://www.intolerantchristians.com

Immanuel
07-27-2006, 09:07 PM
Brent, is this really a man that you think so highly of? It is this kind of thing that makes me and others wonder about you and question your Christlikeness

Francisco Franco:

On October 1, 1936 he was publicly proclaimed as GeneralĂ*simo of the Fascist army and Jefe del Estado (Head of State).


Political command
He managed to fuse the ideologically incompatible national-syndicalist Falange ("phalanx", a far-right Spanish political party with ideology similar to that of Mussolini's movement) and the Carlist monarchist parties under his rule.

From early 1937 every death sentence had to be signed (or acknowledged) by Franco.

Spain under Franco
Spain was bitterly divided and economically ruined as a result of the civil war. After the war a very harsh repression began, with thousands of summary executions, an unknown number of political prisoners and tens of thousands of people in exile, largely in France and Latin America. The 1940 shooting of the president of the Catalan government, LluĂ*s Companys, was one of the most notable cases of this early repression, while the major groups targeted were real and suspected leftists, ranging from the moderate, democratic left to Communists and Anarchists, the Spanish intelligentsia, atheists and military and government figures that had remained loyal to the Madrid government during the war. The bloodshed in Spain did not end with the cessation of hostilities, many political prisoners suffered execution by the firing squad, under the accusation of treason by martial courts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Franco#World_War_II

Immie

Beefy
07-27-2006, 09:10 PM
Immie, beadie W is just lost. His flavor of the week is Franco. Next week it might be L Ron Hubbard. Take it with a grain of salt.

Immanuel
07-27-2006, 09:21 PM
Immie, beadie W is just lost. His flavor of the week is Franco. Next week it might be L Ron Hubbard. Take it with a grain of salt.

It doesn't really matter anyway. He's probably still got his fingers in his ears and is singing "lalalalalalalalalala" as loud as he can so he can't hear me.

And, please anyone but L. Ron Hubbard. :)

Immie

Beefy
07-27-2006, 09:25 PM
lol, I said this:


This sure sounds like the "with us or against us" bullshit that W was spouting while selling us this fucked up war.

Then maineman says this:


no ..it doesn't.... the whites in South Africa were either part of the solution or part of the problem..

LOL, how is this different again? With us or against us, part of the problem or part of the solution? I just caught this. Maineman, good god, pull your head out your ass. You cant make this up.

IHateGovernment
07-27-2006, 09:45 PM
I don't see any evidence for what you have said Brent.

I did some searching and found this site.

http://www.seanbryson.com/articles/nerve_mandela.html

I don't find it to be particularly valid.

do you have a more legitimate source?

Timshel
07-27-2006, 09:58 PM
Admit it, you're just mad because he brought up Skinhead, and showed you the error of your ways.

Anyway, I'll be in Seattle next month, would you like to get some beers, hookers and pot? Well, a beer anyway?

Funny, just a couple weeks ago I was thinking of starting UNHF the United Nationalist Hooker Fund. I was going to propose that you escort Brent to a hooker and see if we could not get a collection going. I am willing to put $100. He really needs to get laid.

Beefy
07-27-2006, 11:02 PM
Funny, just a couple weeks ago I was thinking of starting UNHF the United Nationalist Hooker Fund. I was going to propose that you escort Brent to a hooker and see if we could not get a collection going. I am willing to put $100. He really needs to get laid.


I'm in for $100.

maineman
07-28-2006, 05:43 AM
lol, I said this:



Then maineman says this:


no ..it doesn't.... the whites in South Africa were either part of the solution or part of the problem..

LOL, how is this different again? With us or against us, part of the problem or part of the solution? I just caught this. Maineman, good god, pull your head out your ass. You cant make this up.

What ARE you asking here? Are you suggesting that all either/or comparisons are equal? Pull your head out of YOUR ass. Either you walk to school, or you carry your lunch.... either you eat shit or you bark at the moon... either you are a vegetarian or you're not....either you live in Boston or you don't..... get real.

Are you suggesting that white South African farmers who are DIRECT DESCENDANTS of the Europeans that invaded, conquered and occupied south africa and who were a tiny minority of the total population but owned damned near every acre of land and totally subjugated the black population that vastly outnumbered them are somehow no more complicit in the inequity of life in south africa than - say - Italian immigrants living in Hell's Kitchen in Manhattan - an island that was BOUGHT from native Americans over three centuries ago - are complicit in the mistreatment of native americans in this country?

Or, are you saying that blacks living in south africa did not have a right to fight against the oppression of apartheid?

What IS your fucking point besides the fact that George Bush saying "either you are with us or you're with the terrorists" uses the same grammatical construction as my statement about white south africans and their complicity with apartheid?

I can hardly wait for your next critique of my writing style, "teach"

fuck off....how's that work for ya?

Topspin
07-28-2006, 11:29 AM
Mandella could do 20 yrs in prison.
He could take 3yrs with his wife upon release they got divorced. LOL

maineman
07-28-2006, 11:34 AM
LOL @ topspin!

toby
07-28-2006, 12:21 PM
Nelson's total claim to fame was that he was in jail for a long time! LOL

IHateGovernment
07-28-2006, 04:33 PM
Looks like Maineman has a new Dixie.

OrnotBitwise
07-28-2006, 04:41 PM
I don't see any evidence for what you have said Brent.

I did some searching and found this site.

http://www.seanbryson.com/articles/nerve_mandela.html

I don't find it to be particularly valid.

do you have a more legitimate source?Indulging in a little Brittish style dryly understated sardonic humor there, IH8?

:cool:

maineman
07-28-2006, 05:00 PM
Looks like Maineman has a new Dixie.

Who? Beefy? no way...beefy is a good guy... he was a good guy on FP.com and he hasn't changed..... I am just cantakerous.... surely that is not a surprise.

Damocles
07-28-2006, 05:09 PM
Who? Beefy? no way...beefy is a good guy... he was a good guy on FP.com and he hasn't changed..... I am just cantakerous.... surely that is not a surprise.

You? Naaaaah..!

;)

AnyOldIron
07-30-2006, 10:57 AM
We (80%+ of Christians) interpret Exodus chapter twenty-one to support the death penalty with a clean conscience, as you once did. We do not ignore the fact that the death penalty was ordained of God before the Law of Moses in Genesis 9:6.


Silly little boy. Moses didn't even write the pentateuch, it had four seperate authors.

And your use of tatty rewritten-to-suit-political-aims myths and legends to justify your little-Hitler fantasies is no argument besides....