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Bill
09-05-2017, 11:44 AM
‘They know he’s not a real Christian’: Former ‘Christaholic’ explains why evangelicals love Trump (http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/they-know-hes-not-a-real-christian-former-christaholic-explains-why-evangelicals-love-trump/)http://2d0yaz2jiom3c6vy7e7e5svk.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/editors/default.gif
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05 SEP 2017 AT 06:45 ET (http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/05/)




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Evangelical Christians have drawn ire since overwhelmingly supporting President Donald Trump during the 2016 election. But one former evangelical, who left the church, suggests they made a deal with the devil (http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/trump-is-a-clown-show-evangelicals-supplied-the-tent-conservative-scorches-religious-right-frauds/) so they could get the legislation they’ve always wanted (http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/heres-why-trumps-evangelicals-wont-care-about-those-budget-cuts/).
According to Guardian writer Josiah Hesse (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/05/donald-trump-why-do-evangelicals-support-him), Trump has “bragged about his sins and built a career on casinos and half-naked women,” but evangelicals saw him as an opportunity and agreed to mobilize their voting bloc in the churches to elect him.
“Evangelicals know he’s not a real Christian,” Hesse explained. “But they’re pragmatic about overturning Roe v. Wade, and generally agree with his economic plan of deregulation, lowering taxes and keeping undocumented immigrants out.”
It’s a philosophy rumored to have inspired congressional Republicans in making a deal with Trump.
“Many Republican members of Congress have made a Faustian bargain with Donald Trump,” wrote David Brooks for The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/31/opinion/the-republican-fausts.html) shortly after Trump took office. “They don’t particularly admire him as a man, they don’t trust him as an administrator, they don’t agree with him on major issues, but they respect the grip he has on their voters, they hope he’ll sign their legislation and they certainly don’t want to be seen siding with the inflamed progressives or the hyperventilating media.”
Republicans saw the rare opportunity to have every single branch of government controlled by a single party — their party. Though, as Trump has begun attacking members of his own party, they’re starting to have buyer’s remorse. The evangelical community, however, is still hanging on (http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/evangelicals-who-propelled-trump-to-white-house-now-faced-with-rising-army-of-hidden-atheists/), as Trump’s board of faith-based advisors has remained intact.
“I don’t think that he’s a believer, (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/morning-joe-nails-trump-by-exposing-all-the-times-he-has-attacked-someones-christian-faith/) but he cares about evangelicals,” evangelical Christian and Trump supporter Jay Eike told Hesse. “The tweeting drives me crazy. But evangelicals think his policies are more important [than his behavior].”
The same story was true for former President Ronald Reagan, who became a messiah for evangelicals (http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/here-are-some-of-the-truths-the-trump-presidency-has-revealed-about-american-christianity/). Being the “reformed” sinner who came back to God also helped George W. Bush secure the image of a prodigal son the community should align themselves with.
Hesse argues that evangelicals like that Trump wants to “shake things up.” Jerry Falwell Jr., Liberty University president, told ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video/liberty-university-president-jerry-falwell-jr-49319982) he liked Trump because the president doesn’t cave to the politeness of “political correctness.”
“For evangelicals, pissing off liberals and defending unpopular opinions makes him appear more like one of them,” Hesse explained. “What seems like an imploding presidency to some, appears as a heroic martyr against liberalism to others.”
He went on to quote Jesus, claiming, “Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven.” The more hated a person is, the nearer a Christian can be to God. Given his approval rating, Trump is getting closer and closer.

PostmodernProphet
09-05-2017, 11:55 AM
Bill carries God's litmus paper.....

Bill
09-05-2017, 12:16 PM
Bill carries God's litmus paper.....

Pray for your dear leader....

Stretch
09-05-2017, 12:37 PM
So, a couple of newspaper writers and a disgruntled judgmental possible Christian Trump supporter have judged Trump's heart. These are the types who would have plotted a coup against God's chosen man, King David for stealing his neighbor's wife, committing adultery and sending her husband to the front lines in battle so that he would be killed. King David knew the power of God's mercy and forgiveness when sought. This is a concept that the non-believing carnal world can not grasp.

I can grasp it though for I have been forgiven much.

Bill
09-05-2017, 01:01 PM
They have judged his actions, not his heart, note the difference4652

Comparing the dirty trumpf to David??? Shame on you....

David was repentant.. The dirty does not even know what that means:
https://youtu.be/bp73zbYwaqw

Русский агент
09-05-2017, 01:03 PM
It would be hilarious if Trump converted to Islam.

No liberal would dare criticize him again. :rofl2:

Stretch
09-05-2017, 03:34 PM
They have judged his actions, not his heart, note the difference4652

Comparing the dirty trumpf to David??? Shame on you....

David was repentant.. The dirty does not even know what that means:
https://youtu.be/bp73zbYwaqw

So, YOU have judged his heart. Please don't do this. Please.

Bill
09-05-2017, 03:44 PM
So, YOU have judged his heart. Please don't do this. Please.

You heard what he said if you listened, really nothing else need be said, & you know it..:palm:

archives
09-05-2017, 04:20 PM
A lot of the Evangelicals are cafeteria Christians, that and the fact that they hated anything Clinton

Celticguy
09-05-2017, 05:01 PM
You boys just love your little fantasies

Bill
09-05-2017, 05:06 PM
You boys just love your little fantasies

Will you be representing Cafeteria Christians in this thread??

PostmodernProphet
09-05-2017, 05:11 PM
Will you be representing Cafeteria Christians in this thread??

I thought you had that job spoken for....

Bill
09-05-2017, 05:21 PM
I thought you had that job spoken for....

You thought wrong as usual.. You just jump into a thread &, well you know the line..:rofl2:

PostmodernProphet
09-05-2017, 05:36 PM
/shrugs.....well you were already speaking for God, it seemed logical you would plan on speaking for Christians as well......

Русский агент
09-05-2017, 05:39 PM
/shrugs.....well you were already speaking for God, it seemed logical you would plan on speaking for Christians as well......

Billy is so silly. :rofl2:

Bill
09-05-2017, 05:57 PM
/shrugs.....well you were already speaking for God, it seemed logical you would plan on speaking for Christians as well......

We have you for that, when you're not off on your daily trolling/stocking...

Русский агент
09-05-2017, 06:16 PM
We have you for that, when you're not off on your daily trolling/stocking...

Perhaps you can link us up to some examples of PostmodernProphet speaking for God, then, silly Billy.

I'll wait.

Canceled.2018.1
09-05-2017, 06:26 PM
Get a life or involve yourself in electing the next pope.

christiefan915
09-05-2017, 08:42 PM
‘They know he’s not a real Christian’: Former ‘Christaholic’ explains why evangelicals love Trump (http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/they-know-hes-not-a-real-christian-former-christaholic-explains-why-evangelicals-love-trump/)

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Evangelical Christians have drawn ire since overwhelmingly supporting President Donald Trump during the 2016 election. But one former evangelical, who left the church, suggests they made a deal with the devil (http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/trump-is-a-clown-show-evangelicals-supplied-the-tent-conservative-scorches-religious-right-frauds/) so they could get the legislation they’ve always wanted (http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/heres-why-trumps-evangelicals-wont-care-about-those-budget-cuts/).
According to Guardian writer Josiah Hesse (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/05/donald-trump-why-do-evangelicals-support-him), Trump has “bragged about his sins and built a career on casinos and half-naked women,” but evangelicals saw him as an opportunity and agreed to mobilize their voting bloc in the churches to elect him.
“Evangelicals know he’s not a real Christian,” Hesse explained. “But they’re pragmatic about overturning Roe v. Wade, and generally agree with his economic plan of deregulation, lowering taxes and keeping undocumented immigrants out.”
It’s a philosophy rumored to have inspired congressional Republicans in making a deal with Trump.
“Many Republican members of Congress have made a Faustian bargain with Donald Trump,” wrote David Brooks for The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/31/opinion/the-republican-fausts.html) shortly after Trump took office. “They don’t particularly admire him as a man, they don’t trust him as an administrator, they don’t agree with him on major issues, but they respect the grip he has on their voters, they hope he’ll sign their legislation and they certainly don’t want to be seen siding with the inflamed progressives or the hyperventilating media.”
Republicans saw the rare opportunity to have every single branch of government controlled by a single party — their party. Though, as Trump has begun attacking members of his own party, they’re starting to have buyer’s remorse. The evangelical community, however, is still hanging on (http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/evangelicals-who-propelled-trump-to-white-house-now-faced-with-rising-army-of-hidden-atheists/), as Trump’s board of faith-based advisors has remained intact.
“I don’t think that he’s a believer, (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/morning-joe-nails-trump-by-exposing-all-the-times-he-has-attacked-someones-christian-faith/) but he cares about evangelicals,” evangelical Christian and Trump supporter Jay Eike told Hesse. “The tweeting drives me crazy. But evangelicals think his policies are more important [than his behavior].”
The same story was true for former President Ronald Reagan, who became a messiah for evangelicals (http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/here-are-some-of-the-truths-the-trump-presidency-has-revealed-about-american-christianity/). Being the “reformed” sinner who came back to God also helped George W. Bush secure the image of a prodigal son the community should align themselves with.
Hesse argues that evangelicals like that Trump wants to “shake things up.” Jerry Falwell Jr., Liberty University president, told ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video/liberty-university-president-jerry-falwell-jr-49319982) he liked Trump because the president doesn’t cave to the politeness of “political correctness.”
“For evangelicals, pissing off liberals and defending unpopular opinions makes him appear more like one of them,” Hesse explained. “What seems like an imploding presidency to some, appears as a heroic martyr against liberalism to others.”
He went on to quote Jesus, claiming, “Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven.” The more hated a person is, the nearer a Christian can be to God. Given his approval rating, Trump is getting closer and closer.


Great article, Bill. This part is what I've thought right from the beginning:

“Many Republican members of Congress have made a Faustian bargain with Donald Trump,” wrote David Brooks for The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/31/opinion/the-republican-fausts.html) shortly after Trump took office. “They don’t particularly admire him as a man, they don’t trust him as an administrator, they don’t agree with him on major issues, but they respect the grip he has on their voters, they hope he’ll sign their legislation and they certainly don’t want to be seen siding with the inflamed progressives or the hyperventilating media.”

Republicans saw the rare opportunity to have every single branch of government controlled by a single party — their party. Though, as Trump has begun attacking members of his own party, they’re starting to have buyer’s remorse. The evangelical community, however, is still hanging on (http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/evangelicals-who-propelled-trump-to-white-house-now-faced-with-rising-army-of-hidden-atheists/), as Trump’s board of faith-based advisors has remained intact.

christiefan915
09-05-2017, 08:45 PM
Get a life or involve yourself in electing the next pope.

What's that supposed to mean? Catholics don't elect the Pope, he's chosen by the College of Cardinals.

Русский агент
09-05-2017, 10:06 PM
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/4d/a2/7f/4da27faf247d8d327e60b153e8b1e84b--catholic-saints-catholic-kids.jpg

Saint Christiefa of Antifa hath descended from Heaven and blessed us with a Holy visitation. :rofl2:

Cypress
09-05-2017, 10:10 PM
So, a couple of newspaper writers and a disgruntled judgmental possible Christian Trump supporter have judged Trump's heart. These are the types who would have plotted a coup against God's chosen man, King David for stealing his neighbor's wife, committing adultery and sending her husband to the front lines in battle so that he would be killed. King David knew the power of God's mercy and forgiveness when sought. This is a concept that the non-believing carnal world can not grasp.

I can grasp it though for I have been forgiven much.


I have seen you give thanks notifications to the most foul and repulsive racists and misogynist posters here. Posters who routinely call black people n*gers, women cunts, gay people faggots, and routinely assert the superiority of the white race over the inferior "darkies".

You have given them thanks notifications, made common cause with them, and provided them safe harbor.

You are not only unlike any real Christian I have ever met, you are a terrible judge of character who freely associates with the worst kind of scum in cyberspace.

Русский агент
09-05-2017, 10:34 PM
I have seen you give thanks notifications to the most foul and repulsive racists and misogynist posters here. Posters who routinely call black people n*gers, women cunts, gay people faggots, and routinely assert the superiority of the white race over the inferior "darkies".

You have given them thanks notifications, made common cause with them, and provided them safe harbor.

You are not only unlike any real Christian I have ever met, you are a terrible judge of character who freely associates with the worst kind of scum in cyberspace.

I haven't seen that.

Post your evidence.

Stretch
09-05-2017, 11:26 PM
You heard what he said if you listened, really nothing else need be said, & you know it..:palm:

You realize that's an old interview? When you ever decide to repent, ask forgiveness for your sins and believe Christ as your Savior, you won't like it if friends you knew in the past continue condemning you for your past.

Phantasmal
09-06-2017, 04:44 AM
So, a couple of newspaper writers and a disgruntled judgmental possible Christian Trump supporter have judged Trump's heart. These are the types who would have plotted a coup against God's chosen man, King David for stealing his neighbor's wife, committing adultery and sending her husband to the front lines in battle so that he would be killed. King David knew the power of God's mercy and forgiveness when sought. This is a concept that the non-believing carnal world can not grasp.

I can grasp it though for I have been forgiven much.
Trump doesn't ask God for forgiveness, that pretty much summed it up for me.

Phantasmal
09-06-2017, 04:46 AM
You realize that's an old interview? When you ever decide to repent, ask forgiveness for your sins and believe Christ as your Savior, you won't like it if friends you knew in the past continue condemning you for your past.
You truly believe a narcissist like Trump has had a change of heart? That really is a stretch!

Русский агент
09-06-2017, 06:45 AM
Trump doesn't ask God for forgiveness, that pretty much summed it up for me.

Liar. You hated Trump as soon as you knew he would be a candidate for the GOP. If he'd been a Democrat you'd be fluffing for him.

Imbecile.

canceled.2021.3
09-06-2017, 06:56 AM
Libtards have gone full on Alinsky since the election. They have been shaken to their core


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Русский агент
09-06-2017, 07:00 AM
Libtards have gone full on Alinsky since the election. They have been shaken to their core


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It's especially cute when they pretend to be in a position to lecture others about Christianity. :rofl2:

Amadeus
09-06-2017, 08:14 AM
Evangelicals are not real Christians, either. They are grifters and assholes who wear religion on their sleeve as a shield from criticism for being assholes and grifters.

PostmodernProphet
09-06-2017, 09:12 AM
Evangelicals are not real Christians, either. They are grifters and assholes who wear religion on their sleeve as a shield from criticism for being assholes and grifters.

sorry, God has already given the keys of heaven to Bill.......you will need to make application to him to keep evangelicals out.......

Русский агент
09-06-2017, 09:13 AM
Evangelicals are not real Christians, either. They are grifters and assholes who wear religion on their sleeve as a shield from criticism for being assholes and grifters.

It doesn't matter what you think of anyone's religion, Canuck.

We have freedom of religion in America.

Now get back to washing those dishes @ Tim Horton's

Stretch
09-06-2017, 11:52 AM
You truly believe a narcissist like Trump has had a change of heart? That really is a stretch!

Salvation is of God. He's the one who can break through a "heart of stone and give us a heart of flesh." Ezekiel 36:26

And, he is no "respecter of persons." Romans 2:11

God changed my heart and saved me from my sins and since he is no respecter of persons, he'll do it for anybody. That's what real mercy is all about. After that it's a learning and growing process, never ever reaching perfection of course. But, God alone sees the intent of a person who desires to live and grow in understanding of his Word and his Way.

The only time a follower of Christ is free from sin is when we are taken to Heaven where the Bible says, "For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known." 1Corinthians 13-12
And, "Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know Him. Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is. And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure." 1John 3:1-3

Bill
09-06-2017, 11:57 AM
You realize that's an old interview? When you ever decide to repent, ask forgiveness for your sins and believe Christ as your Savior, you won't like it if friends you knew in the past continue condemning you for your past.

Not that old & nothing has changed since.......

He has not done that, he does not even see a need to..:dunno:

Phantasmal
09-06-2017, 11:58 AM
Salvation is of God. He's the one who can break through a "heart of stone and give us a heart of flesh." Ezekiel 36:26

And, he is no "respecter of persons." Romans 2:11

God changed my heart and saved me from my sins and since he is no respecter of persons, he'll do it for anybody. That's what real mercy is all about. After that it's a learning and growing process, never ever reaching perfection of course. But, God alone sees the intent of a person who desires to live and grow in understanding of his Word and his Way.

The only time a follower Christ is free from sin is when we are taken to Heaven where the Bible says, "For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known." 1Corinthians 13-12
And, "Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know Him. Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is. And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure." 1John 3:1-3
This is your belief and I respect that, but I do not believe in a supreme being who interjects themselves into human lives.
therefore, Trump would have to have some deep introspection into himself to change and I don't think he is capable of that.

Bill
09-06-2017, 12:02 PM
Evangelicals are not real Christians, either. They are grifters and assholes who wear religion on their sleeve as a shield from criticism for being assholes and grifters.

I believe some are, although they would be hard to find here or on most boards.......

The kind that usually show up on boards declaring it are the ones no one would be able to tell/know they are by their actions.........

Bill
09-06-2017, 12:09 PM
sorry, God has already given the keys of heaven to Bill.......you will need to make application to him to keep evangelicals out.......

As is typical you, nothing he said has anything to do w/ your stupid reply........

Stretch
09-06-2017, 12:37 PM
This is your belief and I respect that, but I do not believe in a supreme being who interjects themselves into human lives.
therefore, Trump would have to have some deep introspection into himself to change and I don't think he is capable of that.

You're honest. And, this is why a believer should always avoid arguments with those who do not believe. There is peace for both parties that way. I do not give my opinions when in discussions with non-believers. My opinions are inept and useless in the big picture. All I (or any believer) can do is offer what God says from his Word. After that, we let it go and move on. It's between them and the Lord at that point. I am not the way of salvation to anyone, LOL. Jesus alone is the Way.

"Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet." Mat. 10-14

"Don't answer the foolish arguments; So as to imitate his folly, by passionate or reproachful speeches." Proverbs 26:4

Using the same logic, it would make sense for non-believers with no understanding of God's Word to let go of it as well when it comes to their personal "judgments" of any human being who says they have repented of their sins and accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior. We're not perfect, just forgiven.

"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you." John14:16-17

"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." Mat. 10:28

PostmodernProphet
09-06-2017, 01:51 PM
As is typical you, nothing he said has anything to do w/ your stupid reply........

please forgive me and let me back into heaven, bill.......I am sorry for insulting your intelligence and morality and apologize for thinking you're a pile of shit not worth looking at.......

Bill
09-06-2017, 02:07 PM
please forgive me and let me back into heaven, bill.......I am sorry for insulting your intelligence and morality and apologize for thinking you're a pile of shit not worth looking at.......
lol Lying the first chance you get, say not worth looking @ while in the act of looking @..... 200 hail mary's from 40 yards through the goal posts then 15 laps & eyes above while be watching lest you try to cheat again.:evilnod:

Русский агент
09-06-2017, 02:24 PM
It's always amusing to see liberals like silly Billy deciding what constitutes true Christianity.

I wonder if he lectures any Muslims on the morality of their words and deeds.

PostmodernProphet
09-06-2017, 03:21 PM
lol Lying the first chance you get, say not worth looking @ while in the act of looking @..... 200 hail mary's from 40 yards through the goal posts then 15 laps & eyes above while be watching lest you try to cheat again.:evilnod:

sorry......not Catholic.......no idea what a Hail Mary is, unless you want me to play football.......

Nordberg
12-02-2017, 05:07 PM
tTe people the church trump claimed to be a member of, never saw him in attendance. He attempts to talk the bible and shows he never read it. He is a womanizer and a cheater . he has trouble getting lawyers because he does not pay them. He cheats contractors and workers just because he can. Trump is a despicable human being. he is what is wrong with America.

Cypress
12-02-2017, 06:55 PM
@ Bill in post one.

A lot of the people who claim most fervently to be Christians, are actually some of the least Christian people you can imagine. Some of them might even be on this forum!

Bill
12-05-2017, 12:53 AM
Yep...... I have been surprised that some of them actually claim to be.:dunno: Kinda sad really....:(

Phantasmal
12-05-2017, 06:10 AM
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/12/christian-calls-out-his-fellow-evangelicals-we-embarrass-ourselves-by-being-gullible-targets-for-fake-news/amp/

Bill
12-05-2017, 01:30 PM
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/12/christian-calls-out-his-fellow-evangelicals-we-embarrass-ourselves-by-being-gullible-targets-for-fake-news/amp/Great article thnx...


I'm going to start a thread on that one..