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Beefy
01-28-2008, 01:41 PM
I remember having everyone pissed off at me at p.com back in '04 for posting this question.

But its a pretty simple question:

Who should determine where a child goes to school?

A.) His parents

B.) The government

Damocles
01-28-2008, 01:42 PM
A.)

Epicurus
01-28-2008, 01:42 PM
TEH GOVERNMENTS!

Minister of Truth
01-28-2008, 02:09 PM
Parents are too stupid to determine such important matters.

uscitizen
01-28-2008, 02:12 PM
that is true 3d as most seem to want the gummit to raise their children for them.

evince
01-28-2008, 02:12 PM
Without the government intervention into schooling most kids would go to school nowhere.

FUCK THE POLICE
01-28-2008, 02:14 PM
B.)

Beefy
01-28-2008, 02:14 PM
Without the government intervention into schooling most kids would go to school nowhere.

Who should decide where a child goes to school.

A.) Parents

B.) Government

Its a simple question.

Minister of Truth
01-28-2008, 02:16 PM
that is true 3d as most seem to want the gummit to raise their children for them.

Well, its nice to see someone on your side say that. I believe Desh was saying a while back how most parents don't really know what is in the best interests of their children...

Damocles
01-28-2008, 03:16 PM
Well, its nice to see someone on your side say that. I believe Desh was saying a while back how most parents don't really know what is in the best interests of their children...
Nor does the gob'ment. You will notice they are made up of those same people. They just believe they are more competent because they agree with themselves.

uscitizen
01-28-2008, 03:24 PM
Umm damo I would think all mostly sane people agree with themselves....

evince
01-28-2008, 03:25 PM
Can a parent deside to not school their child at all?

DigitalDave
01-28-2008, 03:26 PM
LOL, Desh voted for herself...

uscitizen
01-28-2008, 03:27 PM
Desh, In Ky you can if you want to be fined or goto jail or lose custody.

Damocles
01-28-2008, 03:27 PM
Can a parent deside to not school their child at all?
They can do that now by simply "homeschooling" poorly.

Damocles
01-28-2008, 03:32 PM
Umm damo I would think all mostly sane people agree with themselves....
Duh, but for some reason these people think it is a special trait and therefore they "know" what is best for everybody's children. Make sure they go to a state-sponsored school, lean to speak Newspeak and think Newthink...

uscitizen
01-28-2008, 03:37 PM
yeah we need a bit better oversight on home schooling.
Too easy to use this to hide various forms of abuse.

DigitalDave
01-28-2008, 03:37 PM
Let's put it this way... No Child Left Behind, Iraq, Patriot Act, $9.1 Trillion deficit, medical marijuana still illegal, and you think they make better decisions than a parent of their own child?

uscitizen
01-28-2008, 03:39 PM
Let's put it this way... No Child Left Behind, Iraq, Patriot Act, $9.1 Trillion deficit, medical marijuana still illegal, and you think they make better decisions than a parent of their own child?

For some no, after all many parents supported all these things.

gonzojournals
01-29-2008, 09:04 AM
For some no, after all many parents supported all these things.

Oh please...lamest argument ever.

uscitizen
01-29-2008, 10:13 AM
Oh please...lamest argument ever.

Lame but true. Blame the lame parents not me.

DamnYankee
01-29-2008, 10:16 AM
Are libs voting "parents". If so, then why are they still libs?

DigitalDave
01-29-2008, 12:52 PM
For some no, after all many parents supported all these things.

Yep, and apparently a few people still trust the governments decisions making abilities. So because we got stupid people, we must make sure all children are stupid, so we don't make those few stupid ones feel bad ;)

uscitizen
01-29-2008, 12:57 PM
Yep, and apparently a few people still trust the governments decisions making abilities. So because we got stupid people, we must make sure all children are stupid, so we don't make those few stupid ones feel bad ;)

The republicans have to have someone to vote for them in the future.

Damocles
01-29-2008, 02:01 PM
The republicans have to have someone to vote for them in the future.
Well, we felt sorry for the liberals so we let them take over and run the schools, indoctrinating the kids from K through 12. We felt we needed to give them a chance. Unfortunately they whine about teaching math so that kids can pass a basic test.

Annie
01-29-2008, 02:02 PM
Well, we felt sorry for the liberals so we let them take over and run the schools, indoctrinating the kids from K through 12. We felt we needed to give them a chance. Unfortunately they whine about teaching math so that kids can pass a basic test.

If you were math, what number and function would you be?

Damocles
01-29-2008, 02:03 PM
If you were math, what number and function would you be?
I feel like "threeve"...

LadyT
01-29-2008, 02:05 PM
LOL, Desh voted for herself...

So did I. She was in the poll.

FUCK THE POLICE
01-29-2008, 02:11 PM
Well, we felt sorry for the liberals so we let them take over and run the schools, indoctrinating the kids from K through 12. We felt we needed to give them a chance. Unfortunately they whine about teaching math so that kids can pass a basic test.

They whine about teaching a test instead of a class. Dumbass Republican Nazi.

Annie
01-29-2008, 02:12 PM
I feel like "threeve"...

LOL! What color is math? Why? You may get an A+ at this rate! :clink:

Damocles
01-29-2008, 02:16 PM
They whine about teaching a test instead of a class. Dumbass Republican Nazi.
Did you know that if they actually teach you to understand the math, you will pass the test without being "taught the test"? It's an amazing thing, understanding.

Damocles
01-29-2008, 02:21 PM
LOL! What color is math? Why? You may get an A+ at this rate! :clink:
Math is like a girl with blueteen eyes dancing on a superfacia...

Annie
01-29-2008, 02:31 PM
Math is like a girl with blueteen eyes dancing on a superfacia...

Very good! You do earn that A+, you should be so proud! Whoever was it that told you there were always right and wrong answers in math? Your parents? LOL! Thankfully so much has changed from 35 years ago! I know they want to to know your 'facts', but they just don't mean what they once did. It's a process, dear.

Battleborne
01-29-2008, 02:49 PM
If you were math, what number and function would you be?



I am infinity...I am the decider...and the color is green!

Battleborne
01-29-2008, 02:52 PM
The two 'D's" darla&Desh and one Lady T voted for desh...dumb,dumber and tweeked!

Annie
01-29-2008, 04:12 PM
I am infinity...I am the decider...and the color is green!

You too get an A+! Wonderful! Wonderful!

Battleborne
01-29-2008, 04:16 PM
You too get an A+! Wonderful! Wonderful!



Thats the first A+ I have gotten in a very long time...:clap::fogey:

FUCK THE POLICE
01-29-2008, 08:42 PM
Did you know that if they actually teach you to understand the math, you will pass the test without being "taught the test"? It's an amazing thing, understanding.

Did you know that the US is the only nation in the world that attaches funding for schools to standardized tests? Or uses standardized tests at all?

This is why we have such a great edumacation system.

gonzojournals
01-29-2008, 09:56 PM
Did you know that the US is the only nation in the world that attaches funding for schools to standardized tests? Or uses standardized tests at all?

This is why we have such a great edumacation system.

No, we have a shitty education system because the socialists insist on treating every child equally--- whereas in other countries only those students that have a hope in higher school continue on to more advanced education, while the others continue on to learn a trade.

Our obsession with education, combined with our need to enhance self-esteem rather than learning capabilities, is what has made our education system the way it is today.

FUCK THE POLICE
01-29-2008, 10:39 PM
No, we have a shitty education system because the socialists insist on treating every child equally--- whereas in other countries only those students that have a hope in higher school continue on to more advanced education, while the others continue on to learn a trade.

Our obsession with education, combined with our need to enhance self-esteem rather than learning capabilities, is what has made our education system the way it is today.

I can think of about 10 different countries in western Europe who have excellent schools despite not practicing your fascist "only possible method'.

Beefy
01-29-2008, 10:44 PM
No, we have a shitty education system because the socialists insist on treating every child equally--- whereas in other countries only those students that have a hope in higher school continue on to more advanced education, while the others continue on to learn a trade.

Our obsession with education, combined with our need to enhance self-esteem rather than learning capabilities, is what has made our education system the way it is today.

Do you have any idea how "Brave New World" you sound?

Soma anyone?

FUCK THE POLICE
01-30-2008, 10:28 AM
we have a shitty education system because the socialists insist on treating every child equally

That should be put in my sig.

FUCK THE POLICE
01-30-2008, 10:33 AM
Seriously, it just doesn't cost that much to educate every child in the nation, for what we get out of it. Arbitrarily denying children access to secondary education (even private) because they failed a test in 6th grade, like they do in Hong Kong, is not only wrong, it's bad for the economy. If you think teaching them holds the smarter kids back, you'd be wrong, because almost every high school in the nation has advanced classes for smarter kids and basic classes for the not so smart.

And think about the Netherlands, France, Britian, and Germany. None of those schools arbitrarily deny kids access to education. In fact, education is compulsory until you're eighteen. Only fascist paradises that you worship, like Singapore and Hong Kong, practice what you said. And you said it as if it were a plain fact that every country in the world besides America practiced it.

evince
01-30-2008, 10:39 AM
LOL, Desh voted for herself...


Of course!

Minister of Truth
01-30-2008, 11:43 AM
Seriously, it just doesn't cost that much to educate every child in the nation, for what we get out of it. Arbitrarily denying children access to secondary education (even private) because they failed a test in 6th grade, like they do in Hong Kong, is not only wrong, it's bad for the economy. If you think teaching them holds the smarter kids back, you'd be wrong, because almost every high school in the nation has advanced classes for smarter kids and basic classes for the not so smart.

And think about the Netherlands, France, Britian, and Germany. None of those schools arbitrarily deny kids access to education. In fact, education is compulsory until you're eighteen. Only fascist paradises that you worship, like Singapore and Hong Kong, practice what you said. And you said it as if it were a plain fact that every country in the world besides America practiced it.

Unless they changed recently, those countries have a habit of testing students before they enter high school, and the outcome does have an effect along the lines of determining technical school vs. higher education... Just echoing what a college chum told me a while back. I'm not really sure.

uscitizen
01-30-2008, 11:48 AM
I support vouchers to the extent of the voucher amount being equal to the amount of school taxes the voucher recipient paid in. and the child cannot attend public schools until the next year.
But I want my taxes to go to the public system for all children.

DamnYankee
01-30-2008, 12:23 PM
I support vouchers to the extent of the voucher amount being equal to the amount of school taxes the voucher recipient paid in. and the child cannot attend public schools until the next year.
But I want my taxes to go to the public system for all children. So poor parents who live in an apartment get zero for their kids to attend a decent school, but Mr. and Mrs. Smith who live on the right side of the tracks get a nice, big check.

That sounds like a plan that you would accuse Evil Republicans of coming up with.

uscitizen
01-30-2008, 12:39 PM
Sure it is the republican way.
It is my tax money and I want to control how it is spent :D
You don't think a republican would want something subsidized by others tax money do you ?

You are catching on southern Guy.

FUCK THE POLICE
01-30-2008, 02:31 PM
I support vouchers to the extent of the voucher amount being equal to the amount of school taxes the voucher recipient paid in. and the child cannot attend public schools until the next year.
But I want my taxes to go to the public system for all children.

US, that would only be fair if you paid back the parents for all the taxes they had ever paid for public education and told them they'd never have to pay them again. Simply giving them relief from paying for other kids children while their kids are going to another school quite clearly isn't fair. Or you could simply admit that you don't want private schools.

DamnYankee
01-30-2008, 03:43 PM
It appears that US is very confused. But it's not the first time.

sawa1600
02-09-2008, 02:19 PM
Government

midcan5
02-14-2008, 07:47 AM
Parents already do that so the question is moot.