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Beefy
01-13-2008, 12:49 AM
This man had no need to apologize, nor was a disorderly conduct threat warranted.

Wtf is happening to this country?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/12/vulgar.check.ap/index.html

FUCK THE POLICE
01-13-2008, 12:51 AM
I don't understand why he wasn't shot on site?

We have to uphold the morals of this country. What happened to our family values?

Beefy
01-13-2008, 12:53 AM
I don't understand why he wasn't shot on site?

We have to uphold the morals of this country.

The man wrote his check, he issued them the money, and they threaten to put him in a cage because they don't like a note that was on his money?

There's no way this would even be debatable if it was the private sector, but since its the government, they can put you in a fucking cage?

Give me a break. I need an ass hat.

Battleborne
01-13-2008, 12:55 AM
This man had no need to apologize, nor was a disorderly conduct threat warranted.

Wtf is happening to this country?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/12/vulgar.check.ap/index.html


with you and the guys attorney...had it gone thru the court system the disorderly charges would not have stuck...however it would have cost him far more than the apology and $5 ticket...PC is run amock in todays world...a sorry state of affairs!

FUCK THE POLICE
01-13-2008, 12:56 AM
The man wrote his check, he issued them the money, and they threaten to put him in a cage because they don't like a note that was on his money?

There's no way this would even be debatable if it was the private sector, but since its the government, they can put you in a fucking cage?

Give me a break. I need an ass hat.

These are the lies of the noahide new world order trans-america highway building globalist slave drivers.

Beefy
01-13-2008, 12:57 AM
These are the lies of the noahide new world order trans-america highway building globalist slave drivers.

You're a lot funnier when you're not trying to be funny.

Beefy
01-13-2008, 12:59 AM
with you and the guys attorney...had it gone thru the court system the disorderly charges would not have stuck...however it would have cost him far more than the apology and $5 ticket...PC is run amock in todays world...a sorry state of affairs!

Well, at least you don't have to worry about it. I doubt they would even raise an eyebrow if the memo line said "Bimbo" or "caca breath". :D

FUCK THE POLICE
01-13-2008, 01:02 AM
You're a lot funnier when you're not trying to be funny.

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Sad like Fibonacci.

Beefy
01-13-2008, 01:05 AM
Yes, I'm familiar with the Fibonacci sequence.

Are you channeling stirfry? Are you going to start talking about phi now?

FUCK THE POLICE
01-13-2008, 01:08 AM
Yes, I'm familiar with the Fibonacci sequence.

Are you channeling stirfry? Are you going to start talking about phi now?

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Beefy
01-13-2008, 01:11 AM
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FUCK THE POLICE
01-13-2008, 01:27 AM
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FUCK THE POLICE
01-13-2008, 01:28 AM
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Yo dude has six fingers (assuming he has a thumb no presented).

Beefy
01-13-2008, 01:35 AM
Yo dude has six fingers (assuming he has a thumb no presented).

Do you have any idea how hard it is to draw a thumb with this:
:mad:

So the finger on the left is a thumb.

FUCK THE POLICE
01-13-2008, 02:48 AM
Do you have any idea how hard it is to draw a thumb with this:
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So the finger on the left is a thumb.

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A flipping off hand that complies to the fibonacci sequence. Hah.

Hermes Thoth
01-13-2008, 07:22 AM
This man had no need to apologize, nor was a disorderly conduct threat warranted.

Wtf is happening to this country?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/12/vulgar.check.ap/index.html


This is bullshit. This man's freedom of speech was repressed! Thanks for watching out for the people in my absence, Beefy. You are a noble warrior for justice.
:clink:

midcan5
01-13-2008, 07:53 AM
LOL - small town America folks, has no one here ever seen a small town or are you all reality blind behind that computer screen? That is the scary thing about assuming grandiose ideas such as freedom mean the same thing everywhere.

FUCK THE POLICE
01-13-2008, 11:19 AM
LOL - small town America folks, has no one here ever seen a small town or are you all reality blind behind that computer screen? That is the scary thing about assuming grandiose ideas such as freedom mean the same thing everywhere.

The meaning of freedom changes based on your location? That's the most retarded thing I'VE EVER HEARD IN MY LIFE. Go worship Mussoloni, far right conservative.

blackascoal
01-13-2008, 02:46 PM
Anyone dumb enough to write an obscene message on a check they issue to pay a parking ticket deserves to spend some time in the pen .. for gross ignorance if nothing else.

How old was this dummy and isn't this something one would expect from an 8th grader?

Slow day on JPP I guess.

Beefy
01-13-2008, 02:51 PM
Anyone dumb enough to write an obscene message on a check they issue to pay a parking ticket deserves to spend some time in the pen .. for gross ignorance if nothing else.



You can't possibly believe this drivel.

blackascoal
01-13-2008, 02:55 PM
You can't possibly believe this drivel.

YES, I do.

What in the fuck makes people believe they can just say any damn thing that comes to mind no matter where they may be?

What kind of adult believes that writing FUCK on a check they're using to pay a fine makes any sense at all.

Wouldn't you be scolding a child or teenager for such behavior?

Damn.

Beefy
01-13-2008, 04:46 PM
YES, I do.

What in the fuck makes people believe they can just say any damn thing that comes to mind no matter where they may be?

What kind of adult believes that writing FUCK on a check they're using to pay a fine makes any sense at all.

Wouldn't you be scolding a child or teenager for such behavior?

Damn.

Yeah, I'd scold my kid for doing something like that. But I sure as shit don't see it as something jailworthy.

People should be put in jail for being stupid eh? And who is the arbitor of that? You?

If we put people in jail for being stupid, I'd be the only free man left in the country. Well, me and Damocles, and maybe RString.

gonzojournals
01-13-2008, 04:49 PM
What in the fuck makes people believe they can just say any damn thing that comes to mind no matter where they may be?
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The 1st Amendment, I'd imagine (you fascist).

Cancel7
01-13-2008, 04:50 PM
Yeah, I'd scold my kid for doing something like that. But I sure as shit don't see it as something jailworthy.

People should be put in jail for being stupid eh? And who is the arbitor of that? You?

If we put people in jail for being stupid, I'd be the only free man left in the country. Well, me and Damocles, and maybe RString.

Yes, we should put people in jail for being stupid, and I don't have a problem with bac deciding who qualifies... though I wouldn't mind having a say too.

Gonzo - 20 years, no parole!

BB gets life.

gonzojournals
01-13-2008, 04:52 PM
Yes, we should put people in jail for being stupid, and I don't have a problem with bac deciding who qualifies... though I wouldn't mind having a say too.

Gonzo - 20 years, no parole!

BB gets life.

The funny thing is that I haven't advocated silencing free speech or putting people in prison-- the so-called liberals on this site are always the ones calling for people to shut up and advocating ridiculous punishments for non-crimes.

EDIT: By the way, Darla, your role as BAC's sycophant is starting to get a little old.

Battleborne
01-13-2008, 05:21 PM
Yes, we should put people in jail for being stupid, and I don't have a problem with bac deciding who qualifies... though I wouldn't mind having a say too.

Gonzo - 20 years, no parole!

BB gets life.


never gets laid...cause she is the only bimbo on the board.. bimbos always get a 'Life' of Misery...enjoy your old maid syndrome to the end duhla!

Battleborne
01-13-2008, 05:27 PM
The funny thing is that I haven't advocated silencing free speech or putting people in prison-- the so-called liberals on this site are always the ones calling for people to shut up and advocating ridiculous punishments for non-crimes.

EDIT: By the way, Darla, your role as BAC's sycophant is starting to get a little old.



I am begining to think darla is BAC's parole officer..or maybe vis versus...:cof1:

Socrtease
01-13-2008, 05:33 PM
Come on the guy wrote fuck or fuck you in the note section of the check. Doesn't keep it from getting cash and it was not a threat. Here in NM you can tell a cop to fuck off right to his face and it is not disorderly conduct. Unfortunately there is just a bit more bullshit you have to be willing to take when you work for law enforcement or the government. Most states you would not be charged with disorderly conduct for telling john q public "Fuck You!" So why should it be any different for the government?

evince
01-13-2008, 05:34 PM
I would have to see the note he wrote. If it constituted a threat then it would be differnent.

gonzojournals
01-13-2008, 05:36 PM
I'm assuming he wrote "fuck you", and either way this whole thing is ridiculous.

evince
01-13-2008, 05:48 PM
He couls have written something like "I hope you fucking die".

We just dont have enough information to really know.

gonzojournals
01-13-2008, 05:49 PM
He couls have written something like "I hope you fucking die".

We just dont have enough information to really know.

And? That still isn't illegal.

FUCK THE POLICE
01-13-2008, 05:50 PM
What in the fuck makes people believe they can just say any damn thing that comes to mind no matter where they may be?



The constitution.

Socrtease
01-13-2008, 05:51 PM
I would have to see the note he wrote. If it constituted a threat then it would be differnent.If it constituted a threat they would have jailed him.

gonzojournals
01-13-2008, 05:51 PM
The constitution.

I already said the 1st Amendment, copycat :P

FUCK THE POLICE
01-13-2008, 05:52 PM
He couls have written something like "I hope you fucking die".

We just dont have enough information to really know.

That wouldn't be taken as a serious threat. A serious threat wouldn't be dealt with by "disorderly conduct" anyway.

gonzojournals
01-13-2008, 05:54 PM
BAC is acting obnoxious again.

This is where Darla comes into the thread and talks about how brilliant BAC is...I wish I were black so that people could constantly re-affirm my self-worth without me ever actually earning their respect.

FUCK THE POLICE
01-13-2008, 05:54 PM
I already said the 1st Amendment, copycat :P

Yep I saw that.

The mindset of the far far-left on this site sometimes gets just scary.

It's "simple" to think that freedom means the same thing everywhere?

What the fuck do you think gives you the right to say whatever you want?


Hitler would've been proud.

FUCK THE POLICE
01-13-2008, 05:55 PM
This is where Darla comes into the thread and talks about how brilliant BAC is...I wish I were black so that people could constantly re-affirm my self-worth without me ever actually earning their respect.

Damn you! I deleted the ad hominem. I don't want to start a fire...

gonzojournals
01-13-2008, 05:56 PM
Yep I saw that.

The mindset of the far far-left on this site sometimes gets just scary.

It's simple to think that freedom means the same thing everywhere?

What the fuck do you think gives you the right to say whatever you want?


Hitler would've been proud.

That's why the left scares the shit out of me...beneath all their rhetoric, they stand for a future of totalitarianism and control that would make even the most die-hard of despots crap their pants.

gonzojournals
01-13-2008, 05:57 PM
Damn you! I deleted the ad hominem. I don't want to start a fire...

Don't walk on egg-shells around people...like a person for who they are, regardless of ethnicity, and hate them regardless of ethnicity as well...

It makes the world much more simple.

FUCK THE POLICE
01-13-2008, 05:57 PM
That's why the left scares the shit out of me...beneath all their rhetoric, they stand for a future of totalitarianism and control that would make even the most die-hard of despots crap their pants.

I usually side with the left, but sometimes true lefties, the ones that think of socialism whenever they hear the word "liberal", scare me just as much as WRL types.

FUCK THE POLICE
01-13-2008, 05:58 PM
Don't walk on egg-shells around people...like a person for who they are, regardless of ethnicity, and hate them regardless of ethnicity as well...

It makes the world much more simple.

It's just not productive to insult people.

gonzojournals
01-13-2008, 05:58 PM
I usually side with the left, but sometimes true lefties, the ones that think of socialism whenever they hear the word "liberal", scare me just as much as WRL types.

I agree...hence my "third path" mentality...the extremists on both sides are just ridiculous.

gonzojournals
01-13-2008, 05:58 PM
It's just not productive to insult people.

No, but it is often fun. :P

Bonestorm
01-13-2008, 06:08 PM
First, this is nonsense. Pressing charges against a guy for writing something nasty on the memo line of a check? Ridiculous.

Second, those railing at "the left" or the "PC police" for being responsible for this nonsense are probably off the mark. Of all the people that I can see getting the vapors from seeing the word "fuck" on a check (for what it's worth, the Philly papers are reporting that he wrote "Go Fuck Yourself"), some leftist hippie type is the last on my list. First on my list, a bible-thumping tight ass.

Battleborne
01-13-2008, 06:11 PM
This is where Darla comes into the thread and talks about how brilliant BAC is...I wish I were black so that people could constantly re-affirm my self-worth without me ever actually earning their respect.



you silver tongued devil I wish I would have said that...never mind I already did...I called her a 'Bimbo':cof1:

FUCK THE POLICE
01-13-2008, 06:13 PM
First, this is nonsense. Pressing charges against a guy for writing something nasty on the memo line of a check? Ridiculous.

Second, those railing at "the left" or the "PC police" for being responsible for this nonsense are probably off the mark. Of all the people that I can see getting the vapors from seeing the word "fuck" on a check (for what it's worth, the Philly papers are reporting that he wrote "Go Fuck Yourself"), some leftist hippie type is the last on my list. First on my list, a bible-thumping tight ass.

Midcan and BAC came out and agreed with it, Dungheap. I tried to make it carefully apparent that I didn't believe the whole left would agree with something like this. Besides, from the looks of things, this charge came from the PC right.

Battleborne
01-13-2008, 06:15 PM
First, this is nonsense. Pressing charges against a guy for writing something nasty on the memo line of a check? Ridiculous.

Second, those railing at "the left" or the "PC police" for being responsible for this nonsense are probably off the mark. Of all the people that I can see getting the vapors from seeing the word "fuck" on a check (for what it's worth, the Philly papers are reporting that he wrote "Go Fuck Yourself"), ( Darlas favorite wording)some leftist hippie type is the last on my list. First on my list, a bible-thumping tight ass.



But darla is a self confessed super liberal who uses the 'F' word quite frequently in this board...she tells alot of people who disagree with her BS...To 'F' off etc etc...and now she is agreeing with BAC saying this guy(assuming he is white and all) should go to jail for using this word...go figure...;)

Socrtease
01-13-2008, 06:16 PM
He couls have written something like "I hope you fucking die".

We just dont have enough information to really know.That is not a threat. There are several people in this world that hope fucking die. I am not going to talk part in their death but when they are dead I may do piss on their grave. (Strom Thurmond is getting my piss someday) If I said I am going to fucking kill you that is a threat but wishing death on someone is not a crime unless you follow that wish us with cash, preferably 20s in non consectuve numbers.

Socrtease
01-13-2008, 06:24 PM
That's why the left scares the shit out of me...beneath all their rhetoric, they stand for a future of totalitarianism and control that would make even the most die-hard of despots crap their pants.Oh yeah those nasty old leftists like the ACLU that have defended the rights of People to wear "Fuck the draft" on their jacket. Or those nasty old leftwingers that want to criminalize burning the flag in protest. Lets talk about all those nasty lefties that burn Harry Potter books. You wanna do walk through time on free speech and see what side the lefties took in free speech cases? You will find very rarely that it was the left working hard to censor peoples thoughts and criminalize their words. But nice try and rewriting history.

gonzojournals
01-13-2008, 06:26 PM
Oh yeah those nasty old leftists like the ACLU that have defended the rights of People to wear "Fuck the draft" on their jacket. Or those nasty old leftwingers that want to criminalize burning the flag in protest. Lets talk about all those nasty lefties that burn Harry Potter books. You wanna do walk through time on free speech and see what side the lefties took in free speech cases? You will find very rarely that it was the left working hard to censor peoples thoughts and criminalize their words. But nice try and rewriting history.

2 Live Crew

gonzojournals
01-13-2008, 06:28 PM
Oh yeah those nasty old leftists like the ACLU that have defended the rights of People to wear "Fuck the draft" on their jacket. Or those nasty old leftwingers that want to criminalize burning the flag in protest. Lets talk about all those nasty lefties that burn Harry Potter books. You wanna do walk through time on free speech and see what side the lefties took in free speech cases? You will find very rarely that it was the left working hard to censor peoples thoughts and criminalize their words. But nice try and rewriting history.

Also, say something completely and radically on the right and see how much the left respects your right to free speech.

evince
01-13-2008, 06:28 PM
That is not a threat. There are several people in this world that hope fucking die. I am not going to talk part in their death but when they are dead I may do piss on their grave. (Strom Thurmond is getting my piss someday) If I said I am going to fucking kill you that is a threat but wishing death on someone is not a crime unless you follow that wish us with cash, preferably 20s in non consectuve numbers.


I would like to watch you fucking die.

There are many ways to say pretty much the same thing which could be construed a threat. Especially if the person is an officer of the law of some type.

Bonestorm
01-13-2008, 06:29 PM
That is not a threat. There are several people in this world that hope fucking die. I am not going to talk part in their death but when they are dead I may do piss on their grave. (Strom Thurmond is getting my piss someday) If I said I am going to fucking kill you that is a threat but wishing death on someone is not a crime unless you follow that wish us with cash, preferably 20s in non consectuve numbers.



The guy wrote "Go Fuck Yourself" and police, characterizing it as "obscene," issued the charge of disorderly conduct. There was no threat involved.

gonzojournals
01-13-2008, 06:29 PM
The guy wrote "Go Fuck Yourself" and police, characterizing it as "obscene," issued the charge of disorderly conduct. There was no threat involved.

This is why reading the whole thread helps before posting.

Bonestorm
01-13-2008, 06:30 PM
This is why reading the whole thread helps before posting.

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gonzojournals
01-13-2008, 06:31 PM
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Someone brought up that it would be bad if it had been a threat, hence the line of argument about whether or not it was a threat.

We know what he was actually arrested for (and it is still bullshit).

EDIT: Also, burning Harry Potter books is a good thing...first of all, because they are horrible, horrible books...secondly, because it helps the author's sales :P

Socrtease
01-13-2008, 06:31 PM
2 Live CrewProsecuted by Broward County prosecutor Jack Thompson John Bruce “Jack” Thompson (born July 25, 1951) is an American attorney and activist, based in Coral Gables, Florida. Thompson describes himself as a Christian conservative and a Republican

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_%28attorney%29

Tell me about your next left wing example. All you have in your repetoire is Tipper Gore.

evince
01-13-2008, 06:31 PM
The article doesnt say that .
DOYLESTOWN, Pennsylvania (AP) -- A man who wrote a vulgar message on the memo line of a check he used to pay a $5 parking ticket has apologized in writing, leading police to drop a disorderly conduct charge against him.


David Binner sent the check after receiving a $5 parking ticket. He calls it "a temporary lapse of judgment."

Clerks were offended by the message, and the disorderly conduct charge was filed because the comment was obscene, police Chief James Donnelly said.

"He was contrite enough to offer an apology, and I think that satisfies the people who were insulted by it," he said.

The lawyer for David Binner, 45, said his client would have prevailed if he went through a trial.

"The F-word isn't what it used to be," attorney Keith Williams said. It doesn't have a sexual connotation anymore and so can't be considered obscene, he said.

Williams said his client felt bad about what he did and will pay the parking fine and court costs.

"This is not my normal nature and admittedly was a temporary lapse of judgment on my part, vented in a moment of frustration," Binner wrote in his letter of apology. E-m

gonzojournals
01-13-2008, 06:33 PM
All you have in your repetoire is Tipper Gore.

You got me! Although you are make two assumptions-- first of all, that I support right-wingers that are similarly delusional...and secondly, that the left isn't full of control freaks that want to dictate behaviour just as much as the right...the behaviour they want to legislate differs, is all.

Battleborne
01-13-2008, 06:35 PM
I would like to watch you fucking die.

There are many ways to say pretty much the same thing which could be construed a threat. Especially if the person is an officer of the law of some type.


Being that I had a complete career in the LE field this saying is common(I had been called worse...and only reacted when spit on or physically struck)...most if not all experienced officers just shrug it off with a laugh...This is a isolated case...and dollars to donuts those officer involved were most likely the few left liberal democrat types...it would be interesting to see what they were registered as...as some in here always point and say all in LE are conservatives(Thru innuendo when the act is bad)...there are a few on the other side...!

Bonestorm
01-13-2008, 06:48 PM
The article doesnt say that .
DOYLESTOWN, Pennsylvania (AP) -- A man who wrote a vulgar message on the memo line of a check he used to pay a $5 parking ticket has apologized in writing, leading police to drop a disorderly conduct charge against him.


David Binner sent the check after receiving a $5 parking ticket. He calls it "a temporary lapse of judgment."

Clerks were offended by the message, and the disorderly conduct charge was filed because the comment was obscene, police Chief James Donnelly said.

"He was contrite enough to offer an apology, and I think that satisfies the people who were insulted by it," he said.

The lawyer for David Binner, 45, said his client would have prevailed if he went through a trial.

"The F-word isn't what it used to be," attorney Keith Williams said. It doesn't have a sexual connotation anymore and so can't be considered obscene, he said.

Williams said his client felt bad about what he did and will pay the parking fine and court costs.

"This is not my normal nature and admittedly was a temporary lapse of judgment on my part, vented in a moment of frustration," Binner wrote in his letter of apology. E-m


The AP article doesn't say that, but that's what the local papers are reporting and it is consistent with the AP's description that it was "vulgar" and "obscene" as opposed to threatening.

Cypress
01-13-2008, 07:01 PM
This man had no need to apologize, nor was a disorderly conduct threat warranted.

Wtf is happening to this country?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/12/vulgar.check.ap/index.html


There's not enough information in the article for me to jump to a conclusion one way or the other.

As for the disorderly conduct charge, that's like a $100 fine. A low level misdemeanor that is barely a slap on the wrist. Which is generally applied to people acting in a disruptive manner, but who aren't threatening anyone. In other words, the guys' freedom wasn't threatened, and I don't think this is a case the ACLU will get too ginned up about.

Beefy
01-13-2008, 07:19 PM
There's not enough information in the article for me to jump to a conclusion one way or the other.

As for the disorderly conduct charge, that's like a $100 fine. A low level misdemeanor that is barely a slap on the wrist. Which is generally applied to people acting in a disruptive manner, but who aren't threatening anyone. In other words, the guys' freedom wasn't threatened, and I don't think this is a case the ACLU will get too ginned up about.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/137-01132008-1470219.html

He wrote "Go Fuck yourself".

Yeah Cypress, since its just a little fine, its okay. And what happens if he can't pay the fine? He get's put in a cage.

I'm frankly surprised you find this acceptable.

gonzojournals
01-13-2008, 07:27 PM
This is completely unacceptable if we are to live in a free society.

Battleborne
01-13-2008, 07:31 PM
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/137-01132008-1470219.html

He wrote "Go Fuck yourself".

Yeah Cypress, since its just a little fine, its okay. And what happens if he can't pay the fine? He get's put in a cage.

I'm frankly surprised you find this acceptable.


from cippie the Veternarian...he cleans doggie cages all day long...he wants to punish those damn critters who use the cage to poop in and 'bark'nasty thingees...just consider the source when addressing cippies wonderful logic!:cof1:

Socrtease
01-13-2008, 07:34 PM
Being that I had a complete career in the LE field this saying is common(I had been called worse...and only reacted when spit on or physically struck)...most if not all experienced officers just shrug it off with a laugh...This is a isolated case...and dollars to donuts those officer involved were most likely the few left liberal democrat types...it would be interesting to see what they were registered as...as some in here always point and say all in LE are conservatives(Thru innuendo when the act is bad)...there are a few on the other side...!Yeah someone spits on me they are getting hurt. I once had the crap kicked outta me and then he spit on me. I was like a whole new person. Just cause you are a cop doesn't mean you should get spit on or battered. But sticks and stones sticks and stones. Also you are right, not all cops are conservative. My brother was a cop here in Las Cruces for 9 years and then Sheriff's detective for 2 until he went back to school and became a teacher. He the union rep for the PD and he is not a right winger by any stretch of the imagination.

Socrtease
01-13-2008, 07:36 PM
You got me! Although you are make two assumptions-- first of all, that I support right-wingers that are similarly delusional...and secondly, that the left isn't full of control freaks that want to dictate behaviour just as much as the right...the behaviour they want to legislate differs, is all.
I agree completely. The left and right are all about dictating our behavior. It is the people in the center that can do some good but our primary system is not designed for moderates.

Cypress
01-13-2008, 07:39 PM
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/137-01132008-1470219.html

He wrote "Go Fuck yourself".

Yeah Cypress, since its just a little fine, its okay. And what happens if he can't pay the fine? He get's put in a cage.

I'm frankly surprised you find this acceptable.

there are plenty of situation's in life where saying "go fuck yourself" is totally legal and fine.

But the first amendment doesn't give you a right to be disruptive, when it comes to the rights of other people. Or at their places of employment.

If I walked into a kindergarten class, in a pre-meditated and belligerent way, yelled "go fuck yourselves!" to the teacher and kids, I would fully expect cops to threaten me with a disorderly misdemeanor conduct charge unless I apolgized. If I walked into an symphony concert, and yelled "go to hell motherfuckers", a cop may well threaten me with a disorderly conduct charge.

I'm not saying I'm an expert on the intent of disorderly conduct statutes, but this guy did it in a pre-meditated and belligerent way, intended to disrupt the many people in the civil service and banking institutions that would read and see his little asshole note to them. And without knowing all the details, I can't say what the cops did was right. But, I can certainly see situations where premeditated, belligerent written notes to people at their places of employment could be construed as disruptive.

Bonestorm
01-13-2008, 09:34 PM
there are plenty of situation's in life where saying "go fuck yourself" is totally legal and fine.

But the first amendment doesn't give you a right to be disruptive, when it comes to the rights of other people. Or at their places of employment.

If I walked into a kindergarten class, in a pre-meditated and belligerent way, yelled "go fuck yourselves!" to the teacher and kids, I would fully expect cops to threaten me with a disorderly misdemeanor conduct charge unless I apolgized. If I walked into an symphony concert, and yelled "go to hell motherfuckers", a cop may well threaten me with a disorderly conduct charge.

I'm not saying I'm an expert on the intent of disorderly conduct statutes, but this guy did it in a pre-meditated and belligerent way, intended to disrupt the many people in the civil service and banking institutions that would read and see his little asshole note to them. And without knowing all the details, I can't say what the cops did was right. But, I can certainly see situations where premeditated, belligerent written notes to people at their places of employment could be construed as disruptive.


All he did is write a note that some may find offensive. I can't think of any situation where writing "Go Fuck Yourself" on a check would warrant any form of sanction by the state. I could imagine the IRS has dealt with this sort of stuff for decades.

As an aside, I used to write all sorts of vulgar shit on my rent checks when I was in college. My landlord wanted one check for the full rent so I would write and check to my roommate and he would write a check to the landlord. It was standard practice for me to write some of the nastiest shit imaginable in the memo line just as a lark. After all, what else is that memo line there for? You might as well use it.

Damocles
01-13-2008, 09:36 PM
there are plenty of situation's in life where saying "go fuck yourself" is totally legal and fine.

But the first amendment doesn't give you a right to be disruptive, when it comes to the rights of other people. Or at their places of employment.

If I walked into a kindergarten class, in a pre-meditated and belligerent way, yelled "go fuck yourselves!" to the teacher and kids, I would fully expect cops to threaten me with a disorderly misdemeanor conduct charge unless I apolgized. If I walked into an symphony concert, and yelled "go to hell motherfuckers", a cop may well threaten me with a disorderly conduct charge.

I'm not saying I'm an expert on the intent of disorderly conduct statutes, but this guy did it in a pre-meditated and belligerent way, intended to disrupt the many people in the civil service and banking institutions that would read and see his little asshole note to them. And without knowing all the details, I can't say what the cops did was right. But, I can certainly see situations where premeditated, belligerent written notes to people at their places of employment could be construed as disruptive.
Paying a ticket is not a Kindergarten class, and we have a right to free speech. In what way was anybody harmed, or was it even possible for them to be harmed, by writing whatever he wrote in the memo line of the check he used to pay for a ticket?

Cypress
01-13-2008, 09:46 PM
All he did is write a note that some may find offensive. I can't think of any situation where writing "Go Fuck Yourself" on a check would warrant any form of sanction by the state. I could imagine the IRS has dealt with this sort of stuff for decades.

As an aside, I used to write all sorts of vulgar shit on my rent checks when I was in college. My landlord wanted one check for the full rent so I would write and check to my roommate and he would write a check to the landlord. It was standard practice for me to write some of the nastiest shit imaginable in the memo line just as a lark. After all, what else is that memo line there for? You might as well use it.

I personally wouldn't have made a stink about it. It wouldn't bother me.

But, I still don't think writing beligerent notes to complete strangers at their place of employment is neccessarily constitutionally protected free speech, depending on the particulars of the case.

Damocles
01-13-2008, 09:48 PM
I personally wouldn't have made a stink about it. It wouldn't bother me.

But, I still don't think writing beligerent notes to complete strangers at their place of employment is neccessarily constitutionally protected free speech, depending on the particulars of the case.
It is when it is a government entity.

gonzojournals
01-13-2008, 09:59 PM
But, I still don't think writing beligerent notes to complete strangers at their place of employment is neccessarily constitutionally protected free speec.

Then what the fuck is? Freedom of speech is there to protect exactly this kind of guy, not Ms. Susan Nicepants who never causes a fuss.

Bonestorm
01-13-2008, 10:00 PM
It is when it is a government entity.


That's my thought as well. If this guy wrote a letter to the Parking Authority that read as follows, I think we would all agree that it is protected speech:

Dear Parking Authority,

Go fuck yourself.

Very truly yours,

Ticketed Guy

gonzojournals
01-13-2008, 10:02 PM
That's my thought as well. If this guy wrote a letter to the Parking Authority that read as follows, I think we would all agree that it is protected speech:

Dear Parking Authority,

Go fuck yourself.

Very truly yours,

Ticketed Guy

I would say that would be appropriate towards anyone so long as you only did it once (otherwise it would probably be harrassment).

Against the Parking Authority, though, it is certainly free speech...just as much as telling Bush to fuck himself would be.

Cypress
01-13-2008, 10:04 PM
It is when it is a government entity.

The civil servants and bank employees that process and read the checks, have nothing to do with passing laws, or with this guys grievance.

You want to write a "fuck you" letter to the city councilman who passed the law, the landlord who screwed you on your lease, or your ex-boyfriend. That's fine.

It sounds like the civil servants over reacted to me. But, I'm not willing to unequivocably state that you have a first amendment right, to write belligerent notes to civil servants and bank employees that are complete strangers to you, and who have nothing to do with your greivance.

gonzojournals
01-13-2008, 10:06 PM
The civil servants and bank employees that process and read the checks, have nothing to do with passing laws, or with this guys grievance.

You want to write a "fuck you" letter to the city councilman who passed the law, the landlord who screwed you on your lease, or your ex-boyfriend. That's fine.

It sounds like the civil servants over reacted to me. But, I'm not willing to unequivocably state that you have a first amendment right, to write belligerent notes to civil servants and bank employees that are complete strangers to you, and who have nothing to do with your greivance.

Um, yeah, you do. If you have the 1st Amendment right to hold racist rallies (and you do), then why the fuck can't you be belligerent to bank employees?

You are the type of person that makes me worry about this country's future, and that is coming from someone that wants democracy dissolved in favour of a single-party dictatorship (but at least the dictatorship would let you vent frustration).

Damocles
01-13-2008, 10:07 PM
The civil servants and bank employees that process and read the checks, have nothing to do with passing laws, or with this guys grievance.

You want to write a "fuck you" letter to the city councilman who passed the law, the landlord who screwed you on your lease, or your ex-boyfriend. That's fine.

It sounds like the civil servants over reacted to me. But, I'm not willing to unequivocably state that you have a first amendment right, to write belligerent notes to civil servants and bank employees that are complete strangers to you, and who have nothing to do with your greivance.
In what way were they harmed by seeing his obvious expression of political dissatisfaction?

You keep trying to make a victim of somebody for just seeing that word, used as a political statement.

As well as the fact that banks no longer see checks. They are run through a system that reads the account numbers and simply deducts the amount directly from the account and transfers it automatically to the other account. It is even cheap for a place that sees many checks like, say, a government entity....

Bonestorm
01-13-2008, 10:07 PM
The civil servants and bank employees that process and read the checks, have nothing to do with passing laws, or with this guys grievance.

You want to write a "fuck you" letter to the city councilman who passed the law, the landlord who screwed you on your lease, or your ex-boyfriend. That's fine.

It sounds like the civil servants over reacted to me. But, I'm not willing to unequivocably state that you have a first amendment right, to write belligerent notes to civil servants and bank employees that are complete strangers to you, and who have nothing to do with your greivance.


It's not as though he addressed it to anyone is particular. It seems clear that his speech was directed at the authority itself and not to an individual. At most it was a generalized grievance to no one in particular. That seems as though it should be protected to me.

gonzojournals
01-13-2008, 10:10 PM
It's not as though he addressed it to anyone is particular. It seems clear that his speech was directed at the authority itself and not to an individual. At most it was a generalized grievance to no one in particular. That seems as though it should be protected to me.

It doesn't fucking matter if he directed it at anyone or not...you have the right to call someone a mother fucker if you want to...that is part of free speech.

Now, if you are on their land, they can certainly ask you to leave (and if you yell from the street too much it will be harrassment), but you can tell anyone in this country anything you want, as long as it isn't an actual threat.

See, this is how you tell who really believes in the Constitution-- the people who defend those that did something unpopular, not the ones constantly crying about freedom of speech only when it affects their own words.

Beefy
01-13-2008, 11:07 PM
I think its fair to say that Cypress and BAC have been roundly skewered on this thread. Roundly skewered. I can practically smell the gristle.

Minister of Truth
01-14-2008, 02:11 AM
Like a pig on a rotissary with an apple in its mouth.

Beefy
01-16-2008, 03:41 AM
It doesn't fucking matter if he directed it at anyone or not...you have the right to call someone a mother fucker if you want to...that is part of free speech.

Now, if you are on their land, they can certainly ask you to leave (and if you yell from the street too much it will be harrassment), but you can tell anyone in this country anything you want, as long as it isn't an actual threat.

See, this is how you tell who really believes in the Constitution-- the people who defend those that did something unpopular, not the ones constantly crying about freedom of speech only when it affects their own words.

I can certainly agree with this.

But since when are you a strict constructionist?

uscitizen
01-16-2008, 06:50 AM
We must uphold family values at all costs!

gonzojournals
01-16-2008, 07:03 AM
I can certainly agree with this.

But since when are you a strict constructionist?

I believe in the Constitution and in the rule of Law...any changes to this country must be made legally, and until then the existing government must be upheld.

Timshel
01-16-2008, 08:09 AM
This man had no need to apologize, nor was a disorderly conduct threat warranted.

Wtf is happening to this country?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/12/vulgar.check.ap/index.html

I write little notes on ny IRS check every year. My vulgarities are much more offensive, i.e., I list many of the vulgar actions for which the state will use the money.