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Damocles
12-29-2007, 09:06 PM
I thought I'd look through and research a few conspiracies that in the past were very real.

Often people who are interested in conspiracies are treated like they are insane. There is often very good reason for this... but sometimes... it is very real.

Here are a few examples from history of some very real conspiracies...

1. The Assassination of Julius Caesar

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/caesar2.htm



The Plan:

"The conspirators never met openly, but they assembled a few at a time in each others' homes. There were many discussions and proposals, as might be expected, while they investigated how and where to execute their design. Some suggested that they should make the attempt as he was going along the Sacred Way, which was one of his favorite walks. Another idea was for it to be done at the elections during which he bad to cross a bridge to appoint the magistrates in the Campus Martius; they should draw lots for some to push him from the bridge and for others to run up and kill him. A third plan was to wait for a coming gladiatorial show. The advantage of that would be that, because of the show, no suspicion would be aroused if arms were seen prepared for the attempt. But the majority opinion favored killing him while he sat in the Senate, where he would be by himself since non-Senators would not be admitted, and where the many conspirators could hide their daggers beneath their togas. This plan won the day."

Brutus Persuades Caesar to Ignore his Apprehensions:

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"...his friends were alarmed at certain rumors and tried to stop him going to the Senate-house, as did his doctors, for he was suffering from one of his occasional dizzy spells. His wife, Calpurnia, especially, who was frightened by some visions in her dreams, clung to him and said that she would not let him go out that day. But Brutus, one of the conspirators who was then thought of as a firm friend, came up and said, 'What is this, Caesar? Are you a man to pay attention to a woman's dreams and the idle gossip of stupid men, and to insult the Senate by not going out, although it has honored you and has been specially summoned by you? But listen to me, cast aside the forebodings of all these people, and come. The Senate has been in session waiting for you since early this morning.' This swayed Caesar and he left."

Bad Omens:

"Before he entered the chamber, the priests brought up the victims for him to make what was to be his last sacrifice. The omens were clearly unfavorable. After this unsuccessful sacrifice, the priests made repeated other ones, to see if anything more propitious might appear than what had already been revealed to them. In the end they said that they could not clearly see the divine intent, for there was some transparent, malignant spirit hidden in the victims. Caesar was annoyed and abandoned divination till sunset, though the priests continued all the more with their efforts.

Those of the murderers present were delighted at all this, though Caesar's friends asked him to put off the meeting of the Senate for that day because of what the priests had said, and he agreed to do this. But some attendants came up, calling him and saying that the Senate was full. He glanced at his friends, but Brutus approached him again and said, 'Come, good sir, pay no attention to the babblings of these men, and do not postpone what Caesar and his mighty power has seen fit to arrange. Make your own courage your favorable omen.' He convinced Caesar with these words, took him by the right hand, and led him to the Senate which was quite near. Caesar followed in silence."

The Attack:

"The Senate rose in respect for his position when they saw him entering. Those who were to have part in the plot stood near him. Right next to him went Tillius Cimber, whose brother had been exiled by Caesar. Under pretext of a humble request on behalf of this brother, Cimber approached and grasped the mantle of his toga, seeming to want to make a more positive move with his hands upon Caesar. Caesar wanted to get up and use his hands, but was prevented by Cimber and became exceedingly annoyed.

That was the moment for the men to set to work. All quickly unsheathed their daggers and rushed at him. First Servilius Casca struck him with the point of the blade on the left shoulder a little above the collar-bone. He had been aiming for that, but in the excitement he missed. Caesar rose to defend himself, and in the uproar Casca shouted out in Greek to his brother. The latter heard him and drove his sword into the ribs. After a moment, Cassius made a slash at his face, and Decimus Brutus pierced him in the side. While Cassius Longinus was trying to give him another blow he missed and struck Marcus Brutus on the hand. Minucius also hit out at Caesar and hit Rubrius in the thigh. They were just like men doing battle against him.

Under the mass of wounds, he fell at the foot of Pompey's statue. Everyone wanted to seem to have had some part in the murder, and there was not one of them who failed to strike his body as it lay there, until, wounded thirty-five times, he breathed his last. "


2. The Gunpowder Plot... (One of my favorites, a Conspiracy within a Conspiracy always makes for good reading).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_Plot



The Gunpowder Plot of 1605, or the Powder Treason, as it was known at the time,[1] was a failed attempt by a group of provincial English Catholics to kill King James I of England and VI of Scotland, his family, and most of the Protestant aristocracy in a single attack by blowing up the Houses of Parliament during the State Opening on 5 November 1605. The conspirators had also planned to abduct the royal children, not present in Parliament, and incite a revolt in the Midlands.

The Gunpowder Plot was one of many unsuccessful assassination attempts against James I, and followed the Main Plot and Bye Plot of 1603. Some popular historians have put forward a debate about government involvement in the plot.[2]

On 5 November each year, people in the United Kingdom and other Commonwealth countries and regions[3] celebrate the failure (or among some groups, the attempt) of the plot on what is known as Guy Fawkes Night, Bonfire Night, Fireworks Night, Cracker Night or Plot Night; although the political meaning of the festival has grown to be very much secondary today.

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3. Nero "Fiddles" as Rome Burns... (This is an interesting one, while the fiddle wasn't invented this conspiracy is mostly built on a rumor. And Nero had to find a scapegoat to quell what is more than likely a false rumor. Who did he find? Why the Christians, of course!)

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/rome.htm



During the night of July 18, 64 AD, fire broke out in the merchant area of the city of Rome. Fanned by summer winds, the flames quickly spread through the dry, wooden structures of the Imperial City. Soon the fire took on a life of its own consuming all in its path for six days and seven nights. When the conflagration finally ran its course it left seventy percent of the city in smoldering ruins.

Rumors soon arose accusing the Emperor Nero of ordering the torching of the city and standing on the summit of the Palatine playing his lyre as flames devoured the world around him. These rumors have never been confirmed. In fact, Nero rushed to Rome from his palace in Antium (Anzio) and ran about the city all that first night without his guards directing efforts to quell the blaze. But the rumors persisted and the Emperor looked for a scapegoat. He found it in the Christians, at that time a rather obscure religious sect with a small following in the city. To appease the masses, Nero literally had his victims fed to the lions during giant spectacles held in the city's remaining amphitheater.

From the ashes of the fire rose a more spectacular Rome. A city made of marble and stone with wide streets, pedestrian arcades and ample supplies of water to quell any future blaze. The debris from the fire was used to fill the malaria-ridden marshes that had plagued the city for generations.

The Horror of Fire

The historian Tacitus was born in the year 56 or 57 probably in Rome. He was in Rome during the great fire. During his lifetime he wrote a number of histories chronicling the reigns of the early emperors. The following eye witness account comes from his final work The Annals written around the year 116.

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This one is still very interesting as there are conflicting stories of Nero's heroism and also of men who kept others from fighting the flames acting, as they said "under orders". Nero also created many programs to help people as well as opened his own grounds and palace to people to save their lives.

Historians are in disagreement whether he actually did order the blaze started.

4. An example of the suppression of knowledge, something we often speak of here, actually happened in history as well. Galileo...

Even though he only repeated what Copernicus already propounded, it was Galileo who seemed to find the most trouble because of it...

http://www.answers.com/topic/galileo-galilei?cat=technology



The Dialogue certainly proved that for all his rhetorical provisos Galileo held, taught, and defended the doctrine of Copernicus. It did not help Galileo either that he put into the mouth of the discredited Simplicius an argument which was a favorite with Urban VIII. Galileo was summoned to Rome to appear before the Inquisition. Legally speaking, his prosecutors were justified. Galileo did not speak the truth when he claimed before his judges that he did not hold Copernicanism since the precept was given to him in 1616 to abandon it. The justices had their point, but it was the letter of the law, not its spirit, that they vindicated. More importantly, they miscarried justice, aborted philosophical truth, and gravely compromised sound theology. In that misguided defense of orthodoxy the only sad solace for Galileo's supporters consisted in the fact that the highest authority of the Church did not become implicated, as the Catholic René Descartes, the Protestant Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz, and others were quick to point out during the coming decades.

The proceedings dragged on from the fall of 1632 to the summer of 1633. During that time Galileo was allowed to stay at the home of the Florentine ambassador in Rome and was detained by the Holy Office only from June 21, the day preceding his abjuration, until the end of the month. He was never subjected to physical coercion. However, he had to inflict the supreme torture upon himself by abjuring the doctrine that the earth moved. One hundred years later a writer with vivid imagination dramatized the event by claiming that following his abjuration Galileo muttered the words "Eppur si muove (And yet it does move)."

On his way back to Florence, Galileo enjoyed the hospitality of the archbishop of Siena for some 5 months and then received permission in December to live in his own villa at Arcetri. He was not supposed to have any visitors, but this injunction was not obeyed. Nor was ecclesiastical prohibition a serious obstacle to the printing of his works outside Italy. In 1634 Father Marin Mersenne published in French translation a manuscript of Galileo on mechanics composed during his Paduan period. In Holland the Elzeviers brought out his Dialogue in Latin in 1635 and shortly afterward his great theological letter to Grand Duchess Christina. But the most important event in this connection took place in 1638, when Galileo's Two New Sciences saw print in Leiden.


5. The Reichstag Fire

Very little explanation necessary, this is one of the more famous conspiracies ever found out...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire



The Reichstag fire was a pivotal event in the establishment of Nazi Germany. At 21:15 on the night of February 27, 1933, a Berlin fire station received an alarm call that the Reichstag building, the assembly location of the German Parliament, was ablaze. The fire was started in the Session Chamber[1], and by the time the police and firemen arrived, the main Chamber of Deputies was in flames. Inside the building, the police quickly found a shirtless Marinus van der Lubbe. Van der Lubbe was a Dutch insurrectionist council communist and unemployed bricklayer who had recently arrived in Germany, ostensibly to carry out his political activities. The fire was used as evidence that the Communists were beginning a plot against the German government. Van der Lubbe and 4000 Communist leaders were arrested. Then-chancellor Adolf Hitler urged President Hindenburg to pass an emergency decree in order to counter the "ruthless confrontation of the KPD".

Meanwhile, investigation of the Reichstag Fire continued, with the National Socialists eager to uncover Comintern complicity. In early March 1933, three men were arrested who were to play pivotal roles during the Leipzig Trial, known also as "Reichstag Fire Trial," namely three Bulgarians: Georgi Dimitrov, Vasil Tanev and Blagoi Popov. The Bulgarians were known to the Prussian police as senior Comintern operatives, but the police had no idea how senior they were: Dimitrov was head of all Comintern operations in Western Europe.


6. The Dreyfus Affair...

What would conspiracies be without racism? Even when they knew they had the wrong guy they persisted. Thankfully it ended better than most...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyfus_Affair



The Dreyfus affair was a political scandal with anti-Semitic overtones which divided France from the 1890s to the early 1900s. It involved the wrongful conviction for treason of Captain Alfred Dreyfus, a promising young artillery officer in the French Army. Alfred Dreyfus (1859-1935) was the youngest son born to a wealthy Jewish family who owned a textile factory in the mostly German-speaking Alsace, before that province became a part of Germany in 1871. The political and judicial scandal that followed lasted until Alfred Dreyfus was fully vindicated, after which he actively served in World War I as a lieutenant-colonel and was raised to the rank of Officer of the Legion of Honor in November 1918.

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7. The Panama Canal... (One for Darla...)

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#panama



Panama had an uneasy relationship with Colombia for generations, with a number of revolts, but was relatively independent in 1900. Throughout the 1800s, the United States never supported Panamanian notions of independence from Colombia. The U.S. had a treaty with Colombia that it would put down any Panamanian revolts, keeping the region around its rail line stable. Because of the Isthmus traffic, the Panamanian region was relatively prosperous and something of a Colombian cash cow. When Grant was president, he had Central America surveyed several times, to scout out canal possibilities. With the collapse of the French effort, American interest began anew. It quickly came down to two possible routes: through Panama and Nicaragua. Lake Nicaragua was planned for part of the Nicaraguan route.

The milieu surrounding the building of the Panama Canal was complex, with several competing factions, but it could be seen as similar to the Spanish conquest of the Aztecs: it was a grand tale with everything in it but a hero. The Columbian authorities were willing to part with land to build the canal, for the right price. American railroad interests saw the canal as a potential threat, and tried opposing it. The French were willing to sign over the canal rights, for the right price. Similar to Cortés’ rise from obscurity as he stumbled into opportunity in Mesoamerica, Philippe Bunau-Varilla was an obscure, puffed-up Frenchman who launched a personal campaign to have the canal built through Panama.

The corruption of Washington D.C. in those days was fairly open. Mark “Dollar” Hanna was Washington’s most powerful man before Teddy Roosevelt took the throne. Hanna was deeply in the robber barons’ hip pockets. While Teddy Roosevelt said that acquiring the Canal Zone and building the canal was his greatest achievement, and that he “took” it, [241] the dirty reality was that the effort of acquiring the Canal Zone was largely led by Wall Street lawyer William Nelson Cromwell, acting as front man for a syndicate which was mainly bankrolled by J.P. Morgan. Colombia, facing the inevitable, was trying to get the best price it could for Panama, but its representatives were naïve to the real game being played. The Panamanian “revolutionaries” were largely following the orders of their American backers. Panama’s first president was an employee of the American rail line in Panama, and his “leading” the 1903 revolution was mostly confined to doing as he was told. Cromwell and his pals bankrolled and orchestrated the Panamanian “revolution,” bribing the Colombian general in Panama, Manuel Amador Guerrero, to do America’s bidding, not Colombia’s. It is a contender for the most fake “revolution” in world history. After bribing and manipulating the Panamanian revolution into being, Bunau-Varilla quickly bilked Panama out of its sovereignty by pulling off a diplomatic swindle, ceding Panama’s lands, much as American “treaties” defrauded the Native Americans.[242]

Not long after Panama achieved its “independence,” Joseph Pulitzer’s media empire began publishing allegations that Roosevelt worked with the Cromwell-Morgan syndicate to perform a huge stock swindle regarding the U.S.’ $40 million payment to France for the canal rights. Although Roosevelt sued Pulitzer for libel, Pulitzer was apparently right. The Cromwell-Morgan syndicate had surreptitiously bought up the worthless French canal company stock and received about $24 million on an “investment” of about ten percent as much. The Cromwell-Morgan syndicate’s maneuvers were brilliant and secretive, with the full story unknown to this day, with offshore shenanigans, complete record destruction and other machinations.[243] J.P Morgan became the first treasurer of the Panamanian “republic.”

The cover-up was so good that Roosevelt’s relationship to the Cromwell-Morgan syndicate is still obscure. However, it was discovered that Roosevelt’s Secretary of War and future U.S. president and Supreme Court Chief Justice, William H. Taft, had an interest in the Cromwell-Morgan syndicate, using his wife to front for him. It is doubtful that Roosevelt had “clean” hands. What has been established, however, was that the Cromwell-Morgan syndicate got the lion’s share of the money paid for Panama, with healthy bribes also passing to the Panamanian “revolutionaries.” It was neocolonialism at its starkest. Those were the days of Teddy Roosevelt's Big Stick Diplomacy. The Monroe Doctrine became appended in American politics with the Roosevelt Corollary, which stated that the U.S. was appointing itself the selfless task of sometimes exercising "international police power" on its Latin American neighbors, for their own good, of course. The crude neocolonialism of how Panama gained its “independence” eventually gave way to more refined methods.


And this is just a few of the examples... Conspiracies exist...

Annie
12-29-2007, 09:09 PM
That was great! I'm going to have to be much more careful in calling tinfoil!

Damocles
12-29-2007, 09:13 PM
Yeah, this was one of the reasons I did it myself. I found myself dismissing too many conspiracies on their face.

Hermes Thoth
12-30-2007, 05:30 AM
These are all examples of minor conspiracies to change one regime, or kill one man.

Most Conspiracy Theorists are more concerned about the ongoing conspiracy which enables what we would call the status quo to perpetuate itself, regardless of it's moral or ethical fitness, or the direction it's going in.

In short we're more concerned about the conspiracies the powerful are perpetrating on the people, and not the other way around. Entrenched power is not the victim here.

Hermes Thoth
12-30-2007, 05:31 AM
Oh. ANd masons are globalist occultists who have perverted all institutions of america to suit their Noahide Agenda. That one's true too.

evince
12-30-2007, 10:20 AM
Frank Zappa

"The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way, and you will see a brick wall at the back of the theater."

Topspin
01-01-2008, 07:15 PM
4 more ready to order thier years worth of tabloids.

Cancel7
01-01-2008, 07:23 PM
Very interesting stuff Damo.

Hermes Thoth
01-02-2008, 06:03 AM
Very interesting stuff Damo.

It's minor league, as conspiracies go.

Check out Noahidism and fiat currency if you want some real evil conspiracies.