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SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 12:39 PM
Hi everyone,
I'm new here and I'm twenty-five and a college student studying criminal justice and want to focus on Criminology. Politically I associate myself as a socialist. In my free time I love to read, listen to music, watch movies and play video games. :)

uscitizen
12-19-2007, 12:40 PM
Welcome to our madness :D

I am an old fart who leans toward the liberal side ohn humanistic issues, but am pretty conservative on money issues.

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 12:43 PM
Hey Sourthern bell. How do you feel about globalization and the world bank and the imf and shipping american jobs overseas to be performed by slaves?

uscitizen
12-19-2007, 12:46 PM
Just bring the slave here AHZ. Ohh wait we are already doing that, the illegal immigration thing...

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 12:47 PM
Just bring the slave here AHZ. Ohh wait we are already doing that, the illegal immigration thing...

Yes. I wonder how southern belle feels about that?

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 01:08 PM
Hello. Here's how I feel on these issues.

Globalization- We talked a lot about this in a political class I had last term. John Kerry wrote a book once called "The New War" which is about globalization and represents my views pretty well. Here's a little bit what the book is about-
http://www.amazon.com/New-War-Threatens-Americas-Security/dp/0684846144 If we are going to have globalization we should take international laws more seriously.

World Bank- I think they're too biased and have always had someone represent the bank from the US. I would like to see other country's get invovled with that role. I'm with Hugo Chavez on that and the global south should have their own bank if enough intrest is there to run it etc. They are more in touch with the issues of the global south than the global north is.

IMF- I'm not sure what you mean.

Jobs going over seas- I don't like sweatshops and find them disgusting. Especially those with child labor. Here in my state the governor made a law stating if you create a job that is started in the state it has to stay here. More jobs have been created since then. I think whomever is the next president should make a law like that as well. Where it concerns immigration it's tough to become a legal immigrant. I think the laws to become legal should be re looked at and debated. Also I think we should work more on ALL of our boarders and ports etc. like what John Kerry talked about in 2004. We should also be concentrating on the companies who hire undocumented workers and should have a sort of "three strikes" rule against them.




Hey Sourthern bell. How do you feel about globalization and the world bank and the imf and shipping american jobs overseas to be performed by slaves?

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 01:14 PM
Hello. Here's how I feel on these issues.

Globalization- We talked a lot about this in a political class I had last term. John Kerry wrote a book once called "The New War" which is about globalization and represents my views pretty well. Here's a little bit what the book is about-
http://www.amazon.com/New-War-Threatens-Americas-Security/dp/0684846144 If we are going to have globalization we should take international laws more seriously.

World Bank- I think they're too biased and have always had someone represent the bank from the US. I would like to see other country's get invovled with that role. I'm with Hugo Chavez on that and the global south should have their own bank if enough intrest is there to run it etc. They are more in touch with the issues of the global south than the global north is.

IMF- I'm not sure what you mean.

Jobs going over seas- I don't like sweatshops and find them disgusting. Especially those with child labor. Here in my state the governor made a law stating if you create a job that is started in the state it has to stay here. More jobs have been created since then. I think whomever is the next president should make a law like that as well. Where it concerns immigration it's tough to become a legal immigrant. I think the laws to become legal should be re looked at and debated. Also I think we should work more on ALL of our boarders and ports etc. like what John Kerry talked about in 2004. We should also be concentrating on the companies who hire undocumented workers and should have a sort of "three strikes" rule against them.

But what about not "having" globalization. was that side of the argument presented? It's my belief we should limit trade to partners who share our views on personal freedom and equality of opportunity. Of course, the fascists attack me for this.

check out this article about the world bank and how it operates.



http://www.gregpalast.com/the-globalizer-who-came-in-from-the-cold
The Globalizer Who Came In From the Cold
Published October 10th, 2001 in Articles
JOE STIGLITZ: TODAY’S WINNER OF THE NOBEL PRIZE IN ECONOMICS

by Greg Palast

The World Bank’s former Chief Economist’s accusations are eye-popping - including how the IMF and US Treasury fixed the Russian elections

“It has condemned people to death,” the former apparatchik told me. This was like a scene out of Le Carre. The brilliant old agent comes in from the cold, crosses to our side, and in hours of debriefing, empties his memory of horrors committed in the name of a political ideology he now realizes has gone rotten.

And here before me was a far bigger catch than some used Cold War spy. Joseph Stiglitz was Chief Economist of the World Bank. To a great extent, the new world economic order was his theory come to life.

I “debriefed” Stigltiz over several days, at Cambridge University, in a London hotel and finally in Washington in April 2001 during the big confab of the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. But instead of chairing the meetings of ministers and central bankers, Stiglitz was kept exiled safely behind the blue police cordons, the same as the nuns carrying a large wooden cross, the Bolivian union leaders, the parents of AIDS victims and the other ‘anti-globalization’ protesters. The ultimate insider was now on the outside.

In 1999 the World Bank fired Stiglitz. He was not allowed quiet retirement; US Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, I’m told, demanded a public excommunication for Stiglitz’ having expressed his first mild dissent from globalization World Bank style.

Here in Washington we completed the last of several hours of exclusive interviews for The Observer and BBC TV’s Newsnight about the real, often hidden, workings of the IMF, World Bank, and the bank’s 51% owner, the US Treasury.

And here, from sources unnamable (not Stiglitz), we obtained a cache of documents marked, “confidential,” “restricted,” and “not otherwise (to be) disclosed without World Bank authorization.”

Stiglitz helped translate one from bureaucratise, a “Country Assistance Strategy.” There’s an Assistance Strategy for every poorer nation, designed, says the World Bank, after careful in-country investigation. But according to insider Stiglitz, the Bank’s staff ‘investigation’ consists of close inspection of a nation’s 5-star hotels. It concludes with the Bank staff meeting some begging, busted finance minister who is handed a ‘restructuring agreement’ pre-drafted for his ‘voluntary’ signature (I have a selection of these).

Each nation’s economy is individually analyzed, then, says Stiglitz, the Bank hands every minister the same exact four-step program.

Step One is Privatization - which Stiglitz said could more accurately be called, ‘Briberization.’ Rather than object to the sell-offs of state industries, he said national leaders - using the World Bank’s demands to silence local critics - happily flogged their electricity and water companies. “You could see their eyes widen” at the prospect of 10% commissions paid to Swiss bank accounts for simply shaving a few billion off the sale price of national assets.

And the US government knew it, charges Stiglitz, at least in the case of the biggest ‘briberization’ of all, the 1995 Russian sell-off. “The US Treasury view was this was great as we wanted Yeltsin re-elected. We don’t care if it’s a corrupt election. We want the money to go to Yeltzin” via kick-backs for his campaign.

Stiglitz is no conspiracy nutter ranting about Black Helicopters. The man was inside the game, a member of Bill Clinton’s cabinet as Chairman of the President’s council of economic advisors.

Most ill-making for Stiglitz is that the US-backed oligarchs stripped Russia’s industrial assets, with the effect that the corruption scheme cut national output nearly in half causing depression and starvation.

After briberization, Step Two of the IMF/World Bank one-size-fits-all rescue-your-economy plan is ‘Capital Market Liberalization.’ In theory, capital market deregulation allows investment capital to flow in and out. Unfortunately, as in Indonesia and Brazil, the money simply flowed out and out. Stiglitz calls this the “Hot Money” cycle. Cash comes in for speculation in real estate and currency, then flees at the first whiff of trouble. A nation’s reserves can drain in days, hours. And when that happens, to seduce speculators into returning a nation’s own capital funds, the IMF demands these nations raise interest rates to 30%, 50% and 80%.

“The result was predictable,” said Stiglitz of the Hot Money tidal waves in Asia and Latin America. Higher interest rates demolished property values, savaged industrial production and drained national treasuries.

At this point, the IMF drags the gasping nation to Step Three: Market-Based Pricing, a fancy term for raising prices on food, water and cooking gas. This leads, predictably, to Step-Three-and-a-Half: what Stiglitz calls, “The IMF riot.”

The IMF riot is painfully predictable. When a nation is, “down and out, [the IMF] takes advantage and squeezes the last pound of blood out of them. They turn up the heat until, finally, the whole cauldron blows up,” as when the IMF eliminated food and fuel subsidies for the poor in Indonesia in 1998. Indonesia exploded into riots, but there are other examples - the Bolivian riots over water prices last year and this February, the riots in Ecuador over the rise in cooking gas prices imposed by the World Bank. You’d almost get the impression that the riot is written into the plan.

And it is. What Stiglitz did not know is that, while in the States, BBC and The Observer obtained several documents from inside the World Bank, stamped over with those pesky warnings, “confidential,” “restricted,” “not to be disclosed.” Let’s get back to one: the “Interim Country Assistance Strategy” for Ecuador, in it the Bank several times states - with cold accuracy - that they expected their plans to spark, “social unrest,” to use their bureaucratic term for a nation in flames.

That’s not surprising. The secret report notes that the plan to make the US dollar Ecuador’s currency has pushed 51% of the population below the poverty line. The World Bank “Assistance” plan simply calls for facing down civil strife and suffering with, “political resolve” - and still higher prices.

The IMF riots (and by riots I mean peaceful demonstrations dispersed by bullets, tanks and teargas) cause new panicked flights of capital and government bankruptcies. This economic arson has it’s bright side - for foreign corporations, who can then pick off remaining assets, such as the odd mining concession or port, at fire sale prices.

Stiglitz notes that the IMF and World Bank are not heartless adherents to market economics. At the same time the IMF stopped Indonesia ’subsidizing’ food purchases, “when the banks need a bail-out, intervention (in the market) is welcome.” The IMF scrounged up tens of billions of dollars to save Indonesia’s financiers and, by extension, the US and European banks from which they had borrowed.

A pattern emerges. There are lots of losers in this system but one clear winner: the Western banks and US Treasury, making the big bucks off this crazy new international capital churn. Stiglitz told me about his unhappy meeting, early in his World Bank tenure, with Ethopia’s new president in the nation’s first democratic election. The World Bank and IMF had ordered Ethiopia to divert aid money to its reserve account at the US Treasury, which pays a pitiful 4% return, while the nation borrowed US dollars at 12% to feed its population. The new president begged Stiglitz to let him use the aid money to rebuild the nation. But no, the loot went straight off to the US Treasury’s vault in Washington.

Now we arrive at Step Four of what the IMF and World Bank call their “poverty reduction strategy”: Free Trade. This is free trade by the rules of the World Trade Organization and World Bank, Stiglitz the insider likens free trade WTO-style to the Opium Wars. “That too was about opening markets,” he said. As in the 19th century, Europeans and Americans today are kicking down the barriers to sales in Asia, Latin American and Africa, while barricading our own markets against Third World agriculture.

In the Opium Wars, the West used military blockades to force open markets for their unbalanced trade. Today, the World Bank can order a financial blockade just as effective - and sometimes just as deadly.

Stiglitz is particularly emotional over the WTO’s intellectual property rights treaty (it goes by the acronym TRIPS, more on that in the next chapters). It is here, says the economist, that the new global order has “condemned people to death” by imposing impossible tariffs and tributes to pay to pharmaceutical companies for branded medicines. “They don’t care,” said the professor of the corporations and bank loans he worked with, “if people live or die.”

By the way, don’t be confused by the mix in this discussion of the IMF, World Bank and WTO. They are interchangeable masks of a single governance system. They have locked themselves together by what are unpleasantly called, “triggers.” Taking a World Bank loan for a school ‘triggers’ a requirement to accept every ‘conditionality’ - they average 111 per nation - laid down by both the World Bank and IMF. In fact, said Stiglitz the IMF requires nations to accept trade policies more punitive than the official WTO rules.

Stiglitz greatest concern is that World Bank plans, devised in secrecy and driven by an absolutist ideology, are never open for discourse or dissent. Despite the West’s push for elections throughout the developing world, the so-called Poverty Reduction Programs “undermine democracy.”

And they don’t work. Black Africa’s productivity under the guiding hand of IMF structural “assistance” has gone to hell in a handbag. Did any nation avoid this fate? Yes, said Stiglitz, identifying Botswana. Their trick? “They told the IMF to go packing.”

So then I turned on Stiglitz. OK, Mr Smart-Guy Professor, how would you help developing nations? Stiglitz proposed radical land reform, an attack at the heart of “landlordism,” on the usurious rents charged by the propertied oligarchies worldwide, typically 50% of a tenant’s crops. So I had to ask the professor: as you were top economist at the World Bank, why didn’t the Bank follow your advice?

“If you challenge [land ownership], that would be a change in the power of the elites. That’s not high on their agenda.” Apparently not.

Ultimately, what drove him to put his job on the line was the failure of the banks and US Treasury to change course when confronted with the crises - failures and suffering perpetrated by their four-step monetarist mambo. Every time their free market solutions failed, the IMF simply demanded more free market policies.

“It’s a little like the Middle Ages,” the insider told me, “When the patient died they would say, “well, he stopped the bloodletting too soon, he still had a little blood in him.”

I took away from my talks with the professor that the solution to world poverty and crisis is simple: remove the bloodsuckers.

******

A version of this was first published as “The IMF’s Four Steps to Damnation” in The Observer (London) in April and another version in The Big Issue - that’s the magazine that the homeless flog on platforms in the London Underground. Big Issue offered equal space to the IMF, whose “deputy chief media officer” wrote:

“… I find it impossible to respond given the depth and breadth of hearsay and misinformation in [Palast’s] report.”

Of course it was difficult for the Deputy Chief to respond. The information (and documents) came from the unhappy lot inside his agency and the World Bank.

Award-winning reporter Palast writes Inside Corporate America for the London Observer. To read other Palast reports, to contact the author or to subscribe to his column, go to GregPalast.Com

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 01:18 PM
I believe in a fair trade program where EVERYONE gets to trade and not just people we like or don't like. I also don't like the Marshall plan either. If a country's people want to go in a direction we don't like oh well. Not our problem. Where it concerns not having globalization I think that's impossible. Again with a John Kerry reference but when you said that this quote from him fits it perfectly: "We are a part of the world not just a country." We're not only citizen's of the United States but we're citizen's of Earth. We should want to work with other people and be involved in the international community. And your idea of personal freedom might not match someone else's. What are you politically? I'm a socialist so I have different opinions on freedom and liberty than you might. So you're not going to trade with me because I'm a socialist? Oh the horror! I already know about the World Bank thanks. I asked about IMF.


But what about not "having" globalization. was that side of the argument presented? It's my belief we should limit trade to partners who share our views on personal freedom and equality of opportunity. Of course, the fascists attack me for this.

check out this article about the world bank and how it operates.

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 01:23 PM
I believe in a fair trade program where EVERYONE gets to trade and not just people we like or don't like. I also don't like the Marshall plan either. If a country's people want to go in a direction we don't like oh well. Not our problem. Where it concerns not having globalization I think that's impossible. Again with a John Kerry reference but when you said that this quote from him fits it perfectly: "We are a part of the world not just a country." We're not only citizen's of the United States but we're citizen's of Earth. We should want to work with other people and be involved in the international community. And your idea of personal freedom might not match someone else's. What are you politically? I'm a socialist so I have different opinions on freedom and liberty than you might. So you're not going to trade with me because I'm a socialist? Oh the horror! I already know about the World Bank thanks. I asked about IMF.



It's not about LIKING OR DISLIKING. It's about "how do free people compete with slave labor?" Can you answer that?

And socialism is just fascism with a nice face of lies plastered over it.

Im basically a populist. No party represents me.

The imf gives loans to developing countries they can never repay and then uses the leverage to dictate all internal policies.

uscitizen
12-19-2007, 01:24 PM
Hello. Here's how I feel on these issues.

Globalization- We talked a lot about this in a political class I had last term. John Kerry wrote a book once called "The New War" which is about globalization and represents my views pretty well. Here's a little bit what the book is about-
http://www.amazon.com/New-War-Threatens-Americas-Security/dp/0684846144 If we are going to have globalization we should take international laws more seriously.

World Bank- I think they're too biased and have always had someone represent the bank from the US. I would like to see other country's get invovled with that role. I'm with Hugo Chavez on that and the global south should have their own bank if enough intrest is there to run it etc. They are more in touch with the issues of the global south than the global north is.

IMF- I'm not sure what you mean.

Jobs going over seas- I don't like sweatshops and find them disgusting. Especially those with child labor. Here in my state the governor made a law stating if you create a job that is started in the state it has to stay here. More jobs have been created since then. I think whomever is the next president should make a law like that as well. Where it concerns immigration it's tough to become a legal immigrant. I think the laws to become legal should be re looked at and debated. Also I think we should work more on ALL of our boarders and ports etc. like what John Kerry talked about in 2004. We should also be concentrating on the companies who hire undocumented workers and should have a sort of "three strikes" rule against them.


I think I like this Gal :cheer:

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 01:28 PM
Free people can vote. They can do coups etc. They can get a new government. Look at the Boliviarian revolution in Venezuela. Check out http://www.handsoffvenezuela.com

Socialism is fascism? LOL! That's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard anyone say about socalism and I've heard a lot.

And with the IMF I do agree there. Especially with poorer Latin American country's. That's one reason why Hugo Chavez got Venezuela out of the World Bank as soon as he paid off their debts. It's a total rip off.


It's not about LIKING OR DISLIKING. It's about "how do free people compete with slave labor?" Can you answer that?

And socialism is just fascism with a nice face of lies plastered over it.

Im basically a populist. No party represents me.

The imf gives loans to developing countries they can never repay and then uses the leverage to dictate all internal policies.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 01:30 PM
Thanks! :clink:


I think I like this Gal :cheer:

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 01:31 PM
I got the website link wrong. It's http://www.handsoffvenezuela.org I put a .com instead. Oops. :o

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 01:40 PM
Free people can vote. They can do coups etc. They can get a new government. Look at the Boliviarian revolution in Venezuela. Check out http://www.handsoffvenezuela.com


How do free workers compete with slaves? Are you saying they should revolt and then change policy so they don't have to compete with slaves?

How do free workers compete with slave labor? You dodged this one.





Socialism is fascism? LOL! That's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard anyone say about socalism and I've heard a lot.

Not really. No socialist government has ever really made everyone equal. In fact, under socialism power is focused into the hands of a very tiny elite. Government taking over business (socialism) or business taking over government (fascism) arrive at the same end-state, complete power focused into the hands of a few, regardless of the language plastered over the top.



And with the IMF I do agree there. Especially with poorer Latin American country's. That's one reason why Hugo Chavez got Venezuela out of the World Bank as soon as he paid off their debts. It's a total rip off.

It is a rip off.

Damocles
12-19-2007, 01:40 PM
So... How did you find our little home on teh interwebs?

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 01:47 PM
I didn't dodge it. I answered your question and you apparently didn't like the answer. Oh well. Not my problem.

I guess if by not everyone equal and a country you're ignoring what's going on in Venezuela. Sure I guess they'd like to now know they apparently don't exist. Who knew? LOL. Very tiny elite? Again tell that to the people of Venezuela. Did you follow their last election? I guess not. Business taking over government is not socialism. Not even Communism. Hands of the few? Again I guess you missed Venezuela's last election which the people decided the outcome and Chavez accepted it. You're a rip off. Try educating yourself on what socialism is. You think you know it but you clearly have no freakin clue. And when an actual socialist tells you that you're clueless than that might make you want to question yourself does it not? I'm not going to hold my breath though.


How do free workers compete with slaves? Are you saying they should revolt and then change policy so they don't have to compete with slaves?

How do free workers compete with slave labor? You dodged this one.



Not really. No socialist government has ever really made everyone equal. In fact, under socialism power is focused into the hands of a very tiny elite. Government taking over business (socialism) or business taking over government (fascism) arrive at the send end-state, complete power focused into the hands of a few, regardless of the language platered over the top.


It is a rip off.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 01:48 PM
It was on a political top site. I lurked a little bit before joining. I've joined boards in the past where it just is too quiet and I like to chat.


So... How did you find our little home on teh interwebs?

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 01:56 PM
I didn't dodge it. I answered your question and you apparently didn't like the answer. Oh well. Not my problem.


No you didn't answer it. You said we can vote. I assume you mean we can vote in a different trade policy. Im asking YOU about YOUR belief as to how in a fully global context free people compete with slaves. You dodged it.



I guess if by not everyone equal and a country you're ignoring what's going on in Venezuela.

fascism.




Sure I guess they'd like to now know they apparently don't exist. Who knew? LOL. Very tiny elite? Again tell that to the people of Venezuela. Did you follow their last election? I guess not. Business taking over government is not socialism.

I said it's fascism. Reread if you must.



Not even Communism. Hands of the few? Again I guess you missed Venezuela's last election which the people decided the outcome and Chavez accepted it. You're a rip off. Try educating yourself on what socialism is. You think you know it but you clearly have no freakin clue. And when an actual socialist tells you that you're clueless than that might make you want to question yourself does it not? I'm not going to hold my breath though.

ANd you merely think you know it all but cannot answer simple questions about your own beliefs.

Cancel7
12-19-2007, 02:05 PM
So... How did you find our little home on teh interwebs?

Damo, is this seriously someone new? LOL. Oh man, I so thought it was Tiana, I even did the tongue thing!

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 02:05 PM
No hun I did answer it. I said you can vote. You can get new leadership in your government to make laws that agree with you on the issues. That is how you can change things. So no I didn't dodge it. I answered your question and you don't like my answer. Stop harassing me. I'm not going to answer the question again. No hun it's not fascism. It's socialism. Go to http://www.sp-usa.org Read all of that website and than come back and say it's still fascism. Don't come into a thread where I'm introducing myself and say socialism is fascism when an actual socialist is telling you that you'r freakin wrong. Get a damn clue!


No you didn't answer it. You said we can vote. I assume you mean we can vote in a different trade policy. Im asking YOU about YOUR belief as to how in a fully global context free people compete with slaves. You dodged it.

fascism.

I said it's fascism. Reread if you must.


ANd you merely think you know it all but cannot answer simple questions about your own beliefs.

Cancel7
12-19-2007, 02:05 PM
It was on a political top site. I lurked a little bit before joining. I've joined boards in the past where it just is too quiet and I like to chat.

Welcome.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 02:06 PM
Uh yeah. That's why I started this thread....


Damo, is this seriously someone new? LOL. Oh man, I so thought it was Tiana, I even did the tongue thing!

Damocles
12-19-2007, 02:07 PM
Uh yeah. That's why I started this thread....
Welcome to the board. And yes, this is actually somebody new.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 02:07 PM
I know more about my own beliefs than you apparently do. Please don't insult me like that in my own thread. Get off your holier than thou bull. You have no clue what you're talking about and you need to seriously educate yourself on socialism. Not what brainwashing scare tacticts have told you over the years. I answered your question's and you don't like my answers so tough luck.



ANd you merely think you know it all but cannot answer simple questions about your own beliefs.

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 02:08 PM
I know more about my own beliefs than you apparently do. Please don't insult me like that in my own thread. Get off your holier than thou bull. You have no clue what you're talking about and you need to seriously educate yourself on socialism. Not what brainwashing scare tacticts have told you over the years. I answered your question's and you don't like my answers so tough luck.

You didn't answer the question. It's not a personal attack. In your worldview how do nonslaves compete with slaves?

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 02:08 PM
Thanks.


Welcome.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 02:10 PM
The Bolviarian Revolution in Venezuela is doing it right now as I'm typing this. Google them. Or visit http://www.handsoffvenezuela.org


You didn't answer the question. It's not a personal attack. In your worldview how do nonslaves compete with slaves.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 02:11 PM
I also wanted to add it is a personal attack when you become so holier than thou and insulting on my own political beliefs.


You didn't answer the question. It's not a personal attack. In your worldview how do nonslaves compete with slaves?

Cancel7
12-19-2007, 02:12 PM
Welcome to the board. And yes, this is actually somebody new.

I blame Tiana for this humiliation! If she wasn’t always messing around I never would have thought that. Damo you could put up an “actual newbie alert” next time, you know.
I am really sorry, Southernbelle.

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 02:13 PM
I also wanted to add it is a personal attack when you become so holier than thou and insulting on my own political beliefs.


I was asking you to explain your beliefs.

How do nonslaves compete with slaves? Does this question really blow your mind so thoroughly that you can't even respond?

It'd be better if you chill out and think rationally instead of going hysterical.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 02:14 PM
Well now I understand it's cool so no hard feelings. Well I thought that was the point of this thread?? Maybe they should have some newbie little sign next to the name for a while or something?


I blame Tiana for this humiliation! If she wasn’t always messing around I never would have thought that. Damo you could put up an “actual newbie alert” next time, you know.
I am really sorry, Southernbelle.

Damocles
12-19-2007, 02:14 PM
Well, I am not even close to socialist. We now have two confirmed cases of socialism on the board. We welcome all to give their opinions, just expect personalities to clash a bit on occasion.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 02:16 PM
Don't you tell me I'm going hysterical when you personally attack me. I'm allowed to go "hysterical" when you insult me. And I pointed to the Bolivarian Revolution in Venezuela. Here's a link for you to read up on them- http://www.handsoffvenezuela.org/bolivarian_revolution_jose_antonio_3.htm

They're very into worker rights etc.


I was asking you to explain your beliefs.

How do nonslaves compete with slaves? Does this question really blow your mind so thoroughly that you can't even respond?

It'd be better if you chill out and think rationally instead of going hysterical.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 02:17 PM
Well at least I'm not a lone. ;) And sure that happens from time to time on political forums. Bound to happen.


Well, I am not even close to socialist. We now have two confirmed cases of socialism on the board. We welcome all to give their opinions, just expect personalities to clash a bit on occasion.

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 02:18 PM
Don't you tell me I'm going hysterical when you personally attack me. I'm allowed to go "hysterical" when you insult me. And I pointed to the Bolivarian Revolution in Venezuela. Here's a link for you to read up on them- http://www.handsoffvenezuela.org/bolivarian_revolution_jose_antonio_3.htm

They're very into worker rights etc.

I didn't attack you. WHy can't you answer a simple question: How do free people compete with slaves? Just answer it instead of getting huffy. I don't care about venezuela.

Battleborne
12-19-2007, 02:18 PM
Intereseting...You are from the South...studying Criminal Justice...Love John(Lt.)Kerry...confess to being a 'Socialist' and support the regeim of Hugo...what is wrong with this picture...should you not be studying for a LLB and working on a job with the ACLU?
Either you are pulling our collective chains...or are maybe Johns daughter...:rolleyes:

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 02:21 PM
I'm studying criminal justice and want to do Criminology. I'm very into that field and am passionate about it. Uh yeah I like John Kerry and I also like Hugo Chavez. What's the problem? And I used to want to work for the ACLU but now I am into Criminology. John Kerry only has two daughters and they're older than I am. Oh the horror that I'm a John Kerry and a Hugo Chavez supporter!! (sarcasm in case you missed it)


Intereseting...You are from the South...studying Criminal Justice...Love John(Lt.)Kerry...confess to being a 'Socialist' and support the regeim of Hugo...what is wrong with this picture...should you not be studying for a LLB and working on a job with the ACLU?
Either you are pulling our collective chains...or are maybe Johns daughter...:rolleyes:

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 02:23 PM
oh no. A CSI fan. The show Where people choose who the perpetrator is based on politics and then come up with magical hunches to lead them to the perpetrator.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 02:24 PM
Yeah you did attack me when you claimed I didn't even know my own political beliefs. Than you compared socialism to fascism and yet I'm the ignorant one on my beliefs! LOL! Again I already answered your question more than enough times. You can read right? I told you my answer and you weren't happy with it. I also gave you a second answer and that was to google the Bolivarian Revolution and what they're doing in Venezuela. That is my answer. Since apparently you can't go to a simple link yourself I will copy and paste it.

Link- http://www.handsoffvenezuela.org/bolivarian_revolution_jose_antonio_3.htm

< This co-management is oriented towards workers´ control, such as in INVEPAL, INVEVAL, INVETEX and ALCASA (four factories under workers´ control and which are well-known in Venezuela - Ed). All this has its origins in the struggle of the workers of Venepal, now INVEPAL, when they took it 4 years ago. Formalists in our movement said that nationalisation under workers´ control was impossible because the government would not defend such a demand.

We defended that it was possible because the government did not have one sole policy on that issue. What was needed was to extend the struggle and to link it up with the peasants in the countryside to deepen the revolutionary process.

The key to deepening the process are the links between the struggles in defence of the Bolivarian Revolution, and how these struggles were won.

We felt great joy and enthusiasm after the victory of those workers, but it was not a sign of joy but to point out the way forward to the rest of the movement - to be able to have a concrete plan of action to unite the working class for a victorious campaign of factory occupations.

President Hugo Chávez has demonstrated himself to be an honest man and a great revolutionary, but on his own he cannot make a triumphant revolution, and he is aware of that. That is why the tasks of the Marxists are to defend and deepen the co-management campaign and lead it to self-management of the economy by the workers.

The workers of those factories are aware that in order to advance it is necessary to nationalise the principal components of the economy that are still in the hands of the ruling class. The monopolies, the big estates and the private banks, with all their economic power, are used to finance the attacks of mercenary groups against the revolution. We have recently seen attacks by paramilitary groups in some cities. They were armed and some university rectors have allowed those groups to use university laboratories to develop Molotov cocktails. Also in the countryside there is a terror campaign, where more than 200 peasants have been killed.

But we are sure about the victory of the revolution. The victory of the factory occupations provoked a domino effect. With a new wave of factory occupations and by the initiative of the workers a new organisation has been created. The FRETECO, the Revolutionary Front of Workers of Factories Occupied and under Co-management, the main aim of which is to coordinate the different conflicts, which at the end of the day are all part of the same struggle.

Using this as a way to unify the rest of the working class, workers from occupied factories, under co-management and on struggle are the first battalion in this war - they know that to achieve victory they need the rest of the army to follow. That army is the rest of the working class.

Now the revolution depends on whether the working class will place itself at the forefront of the revolutionary struggle with the oppressed and exploited to achieve socialism. This is the key for the victory of the Bolivarian Revolution.

The Bolivarian Revolution can only survive as long as the different struggles around the world are successful, in other words, the World Socialist Revolution. To use an expression of Chávez, "capitalism has to fall internationally or it won't fall".

Long Live the struggle of the exploited and oppressed because they will change the world!

Long live the World Socialist Revolution because the world belongs to all peoples!

We must support Chávez and the Bolivarian Revolution!

Workers of the world unite! >


I didn't attack you. WHy can't you answer a simple question: How do free people compete with slaves? Just answer it instead of getting huffy. I don't care about venezuela.

Battleborne
12-19-2007, 02:27 PM
I'm studying criminal justice and want to do Criminology. I'm very into that field and am passionate about it. Uh yeah I like John Kerry and I also like Hugo Chavez. What's the problem? And I used to want to work for the ACLU but now I am into Criminology. John Kerry only has two daughters and they're older than I am. Oh the horror that I'm a John Kerry and a Hugo Chavez supporter!! (sarcasm in case you missed it)


you have the right to support anyone or anything you like...however I don't like John Kerry not do I like Hugo....got a problem with that?If so too bad...we are all free to support or cut anyone we like or dislike.......:readit:

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 02:28 PM
LOL No I'm not a CSI fan and Criminology isn't CSI either. Criminology is studying case by case and more about profiling. You try to see pattern behaviors of people who commit crimes etc. Here is a good link about it- http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/criminology.htm

I've never seen CSI personally. I do however love the jokes that is done about the show on "The Soup.


oh no. A CSI fan. The show Where people choose who the perpetrator is based on politics and then come up with magical hunches to lead them to the perpetrator.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 02:29 PM
Where did I say that? You seemed to have a problem with who I support so maybe you should take your own little lecture first eh? Just sayin.


you have the right to support anyone or anything you like...however I don't like John Kerry not do I like Hugo....got a problem with that?If so too bad...we are all free to support or cut anyone we like or dislike.......:readit:

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 02:30 PM
Yeah you did attack me when you claimed I didn't even know my own political beliefs.


Don't be so sensitive.

Explain how free people compete with slaves.





Than you compared socialism to fascism and yet I'm the ignorant one on my beliefs!


Both are the melding of business and government controlled by elitists.




LOL! Again I already answered your question more than enough times.


You haven't answered it even once.



You can read right? I told you my answer and you weren't happy with it.

You had no answer. You said we could vote. that doesn't answer how free people compte with slaves.




I also gave you a second answer and that was to google the Bolivarian Revolution and what they're doing in Venezuela. That is my answer. Since apparently you can't go to a simple link yourself I will copy and paste it.



Link- http://www.handsoffvenezuela.org/bolivarian_revolution_jose_antonio_3.htm

< This co-management is oriented towards workers´ control, such as in INVEPAL, INVEVAL, INVETEX and ALCASA (four factories under workers´ control and which are well-known in Venezuela - Ed). All this has its origins in the struggle of the workers of Venepal, now INVEPAL, when they took it 4 years ago. Formalists in our movement said that nationalisation under workers´ control was impossible because the government would not defend such a demand.

We defended that it was possible because the government did not have one sole policy on that issue. What was needed was to extend the struggle and to link it up with the peasants in the countryside to deepen the revolutionary process.

The key to deepening the process are the links between the struggles in defence of the Bolivarian Revolution, and how these struggles were won.

We felt great joy and enthusiasm after the victory of those workers, but it was not a sign of joy but to point out the way forward to the rest of the movement - to be able to have a concrete plan of action to unite the working class for a victorious campaign of factory occupations.

President Hugo Chávez has demonstrated himself to be an honest man and a great revolutionary, but on his own he cannot make a triumphant revolution, and he is aware of that. That is why the tasks of the Marxists are to defend and deepen the co-management campaign and lead it to self-management of the economy by the workers.

The workers of those factories are aware that in order to advance it is necessary to nationalise the principal components of the economy that are still in the hands of the ruling class. The monopolies, the big estates and the private banks, with all their economic power, are used to finance the attacks of mercenary groups against the revolution. We have recently seen attacks by paramilitary groups in some cities. They were armed and some university rectors have allowed those groups to use university laboratories to develop Molotov cocktails. Also in the countryside there is a terror campaign, where more than 200 peasants have been killed.

But we are sure about the victory of the revolution. The victory of the factory occupations provoked a domino effect. With a new wave of factory occupations and by the initiative of the workers a new organisation has been created. The FRETECO, the Revolutionary Front of Workers of Factories Occupied and under Co-management, the main aim of which is to coordinate the different conflicts, which at the end of the day are all part of the same struggle.

Using this as a way to unify the rest of the working class, workers from occupied factories, under co-management and on struggle are the first battalion in this war - they know that to achieve victory they need the rest of the army to follow. That army is the rest of the working class.

Now the revolution depends on whether the working class will place itself at the forefront of the revolutionary struggle with the oppressed and exploited to achieve socialism. This is the key for the victory of the Bolivarian Revolution.

The Bolivarian Revolution can only survive as long as the different struggles around the world are successful, in other words, the World Socialist Revolution. To use an expression of Chávez, "capitalism has to fall internationally or it won't fall".

Long Live the struggle of the exploited and oppressed because they will change the world!

Long live the World Socialist Revolution because the world belongs to all peoples!

We must support Chávez and the Bolivarian Revolution!

Workers of the world unite! >

This answers nothing about how free people compete with slaves.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 02:32 PM
I am going to be sensitive when you insult me. Don't do it and I won't have a need to be. LOL! You need to do some serious reading about the Bolivarian Revolution. You're welcome to remain in your ignorance but I'm through with repeating myself over and over again. Don't like my answers do your own research. Googling is easy and your friend.


Don't be so sensitive.

Explain how free people compete with slaves.


Both are the melding of business and government controlled by elitists.

You haven't answered it even once.

You had no answer. You said we could vote. that doesn't answer how free people compte with slaves.


This answers nothing about how free people compete with slaves.

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 02:35 PM
I am going to be sensitive when you insult me. Don't do it and I won't have a need to be. LOL! You need to do some serious reading about the Bolivarian Revolution. You're welcome to remain in your ignorance but I'm through with repeating myself over and over again. Don't like my answers do your own research. Googling is easy and your friend.

I use google often. I want to know how you believe free people compete with slaves.

" we should all be slaves under international socialism" seems to be your answer. Is that your answer?

Why can't you just answer?

Battleborne
12-19-2007, 02:37 PM
Where did I say that? You seemed to have a problem with who I support so maybe you should take your own little lecture first eh? Just sayin.



Your own post #37 I just played on your own words...maybe you should switch your major to sociology...Criminal Justice/Police Science (aka) criminology does not suit you....It does me however because that is where my degree is...:cof1:

uscitizen
12-19-2007, 02:41 PM
Yeah but BB's diploma is carved in stone. He is older than I am.

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 02:41 PM
socialism = monopoly capitalism with peanuts for the workers, and all control for the "party members".

uscitizen
12-19-2007, 02:46 PM
The USA is pretty much a Socialist Republic, we just will not admit to it

Battleborne
12-19-2007, 02:53 PM
Yeah but BB's diploma is carved in stone. He is older than I am.


however that is not the case...ya got me by about 3-4 years...:cof1:

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 03:07 PM
The USA is pretty much a Socialist Republic, we just will not admit to it

Not really.

uscitizen
12-19-2007, 03:13 PM
We are a republic and we are quite socialistic.

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 03:22 PM
We are a republic and we are quite socialistic.

we have a few programs, that's all.

uscitizen
12-19-2007, 03:28 PM
yeah about what percentage of our budget ?

Just a few programs ;)

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 03:40 PM
yeah about what percentage of our budget ?

Just a few programs ;)

This needs to be undone. Oh bother. You may be right for once. Dammit.:cof1:

uscitizen
12-19-2007, 03:53 PM
and which one to get rid of:
Elderly care ?
Meidcal care and food for children ?
Education for children ?

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 03:55 PM
and which one to get rid of:
Elderly care ?
Meidcal care and food for children ?
Education for children ?

All of them.


And stop importing from china so they can have jobs.

And change medical care so it's NOT planned for us by large corporations, but make it so individuals price shop on per procedure basis with doctors of their choice.

uscitizen
12-19-2007, 04:01 PM
You have no children then ?
Figures.

A good thing for the gene pool :clink:

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 04:51 PM
You have no children then ?
Figures.

A good thing for the gene pool :clink:

School could be paid for by americans themselves. We don't need the government to take our money and give us shitty service.

Basically money would redistribute more evenly on it's own if we did not import workers and export jobs, both processes that drive down wages.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 07:47 PM
Then use google to get your answer. I didn't start this thread for you to get all up in my face. I started this thread to introduce myself and say hi to everyone and not to start a debate on my issues. I didn't know this section of the board was for debates. I gave you at least two answers and you're unhappy with both of them and you came in here and insulted me and all this other crap. You're rude. http://www.sp-usa.org is the last time I'm going to address the issue. Read through the whole website.


I use google often. I want to know how you believe free people compete with slaves.

" we should all be slaves under international socialism" seems to be your answer. Is that your answer?

Why can't you just answer?

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 07:52 PM
Then use google to get your answer. I didn't start this thread for you to get all up in my face. I started this thread to introduce myself and say hi to everyone and not to start a debate on my issues. I didn't know this section of the board was for debates. I gave you at least two answers and you're unhappy with both of them and you came in here and insulted me and all this other crap. You're rude. http://www.sp-usa.org is the last time I'm going to address the issue. Read through the whole website.


You never answered the question of how free people compete with slaves. You keep posting shit about some bolivarian bullshit.

Im not reading a whole website. You explain to me how free people compete with slaves.

We debate everywhere here. I'm in your face, skanky twat. How's that for rude?

TRGLDTE
12-19-2007, 07:52 PM
ScottBoxster, SouthernBelle, same initials, same round and round.

Cancel7
12-19-2007, 07:54 PM
ScottBoxster, SouthernBelle, same initials, same round and round.

No way, I haven't heard from Scott in ages. And if someone else gave him the board address, which Scott didn't talk to many people off board, so I highly doubt it, but if they did, he wouldn't pretend to be a girl! Scott, no way Trog!

I'd love to get Scott here. I know you couldn't stand him, but Scott was one of my favorite people.

Cancel7
12-19-2007, 07:55 PM
You never answered the question of how free people compete with slaves. You keep posting shit about some bolivarian bullshit.

Im not reading a whole website. You explain to me how free people compete with slaves.

We debate everywhere here. I'm in your face, skanky twat. How's that for rude?

That's good for getting you put on IA from me again, for at least two weeks, maybe longer.

Asshole.

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 07:58 PM
That's good for getting you put on IA from me again, for at least two weeks, maybe longer.

Asshole.


Oh. I'm so sad. Somebody hold me.:cool:

TRGLDTE
12-19-2007, 08:00 PM
No way, I haven't heard from Scott in ages. And if someone else gave him the board address, which Scott didn't talk to many people off board, so I highly doubt it, but if they did, he wouldn't pretend to be a girl! Scott, no way Trog!

I'd love to get Scott here. I know you couldn't stand him, but Scott was one of my favorite people. I am not implying this is Scott, I am just noting some similarities. It's not that I can't stand Scott as a person; I just can't stand his dodging and avoidance of directly answering any question. Belle seems to be of the same mode.

Cancel7
12-19-2007, 08:03 PM
I am not implying this is Scott, I am just noting some similarities. It's not that I can't stand Scott as a person; I just can't stand his dodging and avoidance of directly answering any question. Belle seems to be of the same mode.

Oh, well seeing as how AHZ is not only an idiot, but clearly out of his mind, I honestly did not bother to read this back and forth here so I can't say.

Scott was so great!

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 08:14 PM
Oh, well seeing as how AHZ is not only an idiot, but clearly out of his mind, I honestly did not bother to read this back and forth here so I can't say.

Scott was so great!

Yes. Im so stupid I kick your ass daily, turning your words against you, pointing out the mental slides placed inside your mind by the propagandists in control of our educational system.

Beefy
12-19-2007, 08:15 PM
Yes. Im so stupid I kick your ass daily, turning your words against you, pointing out the mental slides placed inside your mind by the propagandists in control of our educational system.

OOOOH! Another skewering.

:corn:

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 08:17 PM
OOOOH! Another skewering.

:corn:

Thanks beefy. :clink:

Darla-kebab anyone?

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 08:29 PM
No hun. Socialists hate capitalism. We want to destory it. Shows how much you know.


socialism = monopoly capitalism with peanuts for the workers, and all control for the "party members".

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 08:31 PM
Uh no hun. I'm doing what I want and what I'm passionate about and it's not your say so get over it.


Your own post #37 I just played on your own words...maybe you should switch your major to sociology...Criminal Justice/Police Science (aka) criminology does not suit you....It does me however because that is where my degree is...:cof1:

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 08:32 PM
LOL! No hun. We're a democratic republic. Try learning the difference.


The USA is pretty much a Socialist Republic, we just will not admit to it

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 08:34 PM
If you can't read a website than you aren't interested in the answers at all and you're just wanting to pound your chest and be an ass. Doesn't work with me. I gave you the tools to find out the answers yourself but you apparently don't want them it's obvious of that. You're just here to argue and be an asshole. I gave you the links to go read the answers. If you don't like it oh well. Not my problem.


You never answered the question of how free people compete with slaves. You keep posting shit about some bolivarian bullshit.

Im not reading a whole website. You explain to me how free people compete with slaves.

We debate everywhere here. I'm in your face, skanky twat. How's that for rude?

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 08:35 PM
LOL! No hun. We're a democratic republic. Try learning the difference.

With many socialist-type policies. You should be happy. Don't deny the truth. Officially we're a constitutional republic with some democratically elected positions in the legislative and executive branch. Are you sure you're not dumb?

Judges too, in some spots.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 08:36 PM
And you're an ignorant fool. I'm a female dumbass.


ScottBoxster, SouthernBelle, same initials, same round and round.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 08:38 PM
Aww poor baby! You don't like how I answered a question so I *must* be someone you don't like. Aww! I gave you the tools to find out the answers and even copied and pasted one website here but you didn't like my answer so tough shit. Get over it. I'm a female dumbass. Read my damn profile before you throw shit and look like an idiot. I guess you don't mind that people think you are one. Either that or a paranoid jerk.


I am not implying this is Scott, I am just noting some similarities. It's not that I can't stand Scott as a person; I just can't stand his dodging and avoidance of directly answering any question. Belle seems to be of the same mode.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 08:40 PM
Speaking of dumb you should look in the mirror hun. You think us socialists like capitalism. LOL! That was really funny. See if you went to the SP party website you would've known this and wouldn't have had to look like an idiot. But apparently you like looking like one. And no I'm not happy with how things are going. I want us to be a total socialist society and we're not even close.


With many socialist-type policies. You should be happy. Don't deny the truth. Officially we're a constitutional republic with some democratically elected positions in the legislative and executive branch. Are you sure you're not dumb?

Judges too, in some spots.

Beefy
12-19-2007, 08:44 PM
Speaking of dumb you should look in the mirror hun. You think us socialists like capitalism. LOL! That was really funny. See if you went to the SP party website you would've known this and wouldn't have had to look like an idiot. But apparently you like looking like one. And no I'm not happy with how things are going. I want us to be a total socialist society and we're not even close.

Like Cuba?

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 08:47 PM
No. Cuba is Communism. Look more towards Venezuela. Communism believes the government owns everything where as socialism believes the people own the government. Check out http://www.handsoffvenezuela.org Also http://www.sp-usa.org Socialist party usa website.


Like Cuba?

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 08:49 PM
Here's a little example from the SP website-

THE SOCIALIST PARTY strives to establish a radical democracy that places people's lives under their own control -- a non-racist, classless, feminist, socialist society in which people cooperate at work, at home, and in the community.
Socialism is not mere government ownership, a welfare state, or a repressive bureaucracy. Socialism is a new social and economic order in which workers and consumers control production and community residents control their neighborhoods, homes, and schools. The production of society is used for the benefit of all humanity, not for the private profit of a few. Socialism produces a constantly renewed future by not plundering the resources of the earth.
Under capitalist and "Communist" states, people have little control over fundamental areas of their lives. The capitalist system forces workers to sell their abilities and skills to the few who own the workplaces, profit from these workers' labor, and use the government to maintain their privileged position. Under "Communist" states, decisions are made by Communist Party officials, the bureaucracy and the military. The inevitable product of each system is a class society with gross inequality of privileges, a draining of the productive wealth and goods of the society into military purposes, environmental pollution, and war in which workers are compelled to fight other workers.
People across the world need to cast off the systems which oppress them, and build a new world fit for all humanity. Democratic revolutions are needed to dissolve the power now exercised by the few who control great wealth and the government. By revolution we mean a radical and fundamental change in the structure and quality of economic, political, and personal relations. The building of socialism requires widespread understanding and participation, and will not be achieved by an elite working "on behalf of" the people. The working class is in a key and central position to fight back against the ruling capitalist class and its power. The working class is the major force worldwide that can lead the way to a socialist future – to a real radical democracy from below.


Radical democracy is the cornerstone not only of our socialism, but also of our strategy. Here are the main features of each:




No. Cuba is Communism. Look more towards Venezuela. Communism believes the government owns everything where as socialism believes the people own the government. Check out http://www.handsoffvenezuela.org Also http://www.sp-usa.org Socialist party usa website.

FUCK THE POLICE
12-19-2007, 08:50 PM
Hi everyone,
I'm new here and I'm twenty-five and a college student studying criminal justice and want to focus on Criminology. Politically I associate myself as a socialist. In my free time I love to read, listen to music, watch movies and play video games. :)

Will you marry me?

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 08:51 PM
And you're an ignorant fool. I'm a female dumbass.

And full of piss and vinegar! Sorry I called you that name before. I was just trying to be cool. That was over the line. I generally like to be cordial to those I decimate online.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 08:52 PM
Thanks I think??


Will you marry me?

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 08:52 PM
Will you marry me?


Everyone's hooking on here these days. Is this a dating site?

Beefy
12-19-2007, 08:52 PM
Thanks I think??

He'd be a good provider. He has almost $1,000 saved up.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 08:53 PM
Well if you don't do it again than apologize accepted. I'm a feminist but I'm not a stick up your butt feminist so name's don't really bother me that much especially from someone I don't really know.


And full of piss and vinegar! Sorry I called you that name before. I was just trying to be cool. That was over the line. I generally like to be cordial to those I decimate online.

FUCK THE POLICE
12-19-2007, 08:53 PM
I believe in a fair trade program where EVERYONE gets to trade and not just people we like or don't like. I also don't like the Marshall plan either. If a country's people want to go in a direction we don't like oh well. Not our problem. Where it concerns not having globalization I think that's impossible. Again with a John Kerry reference but when you said that this quote from him fits it perfectly: "We are a part of the world not just a country." We're not only citizen's of the United States but we're citizen's of Earth. We should want to work with other people and be involved in the international community. And your idea of personal freedom might not match someone else's. What are you politically? I'm a socialist so I have different opinions on freedom and liberty than you might. So you're not going to trade with me because I'm a socialist? Oh the horror! I already know about the World Bank thanks. I asked about IMF.

You don't like the Marshall plan?

Isn't that kind of old? And haven't you already been disproven by history anyway?

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 08:54 PM
Well with me personally as long as I have a nice bed to sleep in and a roof over my head and clothes on my back and a nice hot meal than I'm happy. Everything else is luxury.


He'd be a good provider. He has almost $1,000 saved up.

Beefy
12-19-2007, 08:56 PM
Well with me personally as long as I have a nice bed to sleep in and a roof over my head and clothes on my back and a nice hot meal than I'm happy. Everything else is luxury.

Thus, you're a socialist. And in socialism, that's all anyone would have.

I've been to Cuba, they all have exactly that, and they detest it.

FUCK THE POLICE
12-19-2007, 08:56 PM
I dunno.

You're not a conservative and your from the south and you like to play video games. Are you a Christian? If not, then good.

However, you don't like free trade. I'm sorry, I just can't accept anyone who doesn't like free trade. :nono:

I can be a socialist though.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 08:56 PM
Just because it doesn't work in history doesn't mean it can't work in the future. And yes the Marshall plan is old but kinda still around with the whole "we'll trade with people we like" sort of deal. That's basically what the Marshall plan was in my opinion.


You don't like the Marshall plan?

Isn't that kind of old? And haven't you already been disproven by history anyway?

FUCK THE POLICE
12-19-2007, 08:58 PM
Just because it doesn't work in history doesn't mean it can't work in the future. And yes the Marshall plan is old but kinda still around with the whole "we'll trade with people we like" sort of deal. That's basically what the Marshall plan was in my opinion.

A destroyed, third world Europe wouldn't be the best thing for America. The Marshall plan was probably one of the most succesful government programs of all time.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 08:58 PM
Well I'm for fair trade so yea. I think everyone should be able to trade. Pick up the book "Take This Job and Ship It" by Senator Bryon Drogan. Excellent read about trade. And you shouldn't be something if you don't really believe in it.


I dunno.

You're not a conservative and your from the south and you like to play video games. Are you a Christian? If not, then good.

However, you don't like free trade. I'm sorry, I just can't accept anyone who doesn't like free trade. :nono:

I can be a socialist though.

FUCK THE POLICE
12-19-2007, 09:00 PM
I dunno Beefy. I think my pickup lines need a little work.

"Will you marry me", yeah, that's my best one. Do you think it makes people believe I'm desperate?

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 09:00 PM
Oh sorry I didn't answer your question about being a Christian. I am one but I'm more of a Christian spiritualist. I'm very involved in the spirit world and all that. So I have some rather interesting beliefs. The best thing about the south is the food. Mmm now I'm getting hungry.


I dunno.

You're not a conservative and your from the south and you like to play video games. Are you a Christian? If not, then good.

However, you don't like free trade. I'm sorry, I just can't accept anyone who doesn't like free trade. :nono:

I can be a socialist though.

FUCK THE POLICE
12-19-2007, 09:01 PM
Oh sorry I didn't answer your question about being a Christian. I am one but I'm more of a Christian spiritualist. I'm very involved in the spirit world and all that. So I have some rather interesting beliefs. The best thing about the south is the food. Mmm now I'm getting hungry.

I hate red beans and rice. :o

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 09:03 PM
Well I guess the point is that I don't need all the capitalistic stuff from Ipods to computers and the rest to be happy. I can live without it if I had to however though since I have it than I'm happy and grateful and all that. But yea Cuba is a sucky situation and I feel bad for the people there. I have a family friend who went there as a missionary once and from her experiences and my research on it for a class once it sucks. You can't even open your windows to enjoy the beautiful day. That's just stupid and crap. But Communism and socialism are two different things and have totally different outlooks of the government. I would rather live in Venezuela than Cuba.


Thus, you're a socialist. And in socialism, that's all anyone would have.

I've been to Cuba, they all have exactly that, and they detest it.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 09:04 PM
You didn't need the Marshall Plan to help Europe. Personally I think it was crap and a cover for just helping people who we liked at the time and kissed our asses etc. Maybe if we helped Germany out after WWI Hitler wouldn't have been so successful. Of course it's easy to wonder "what if" after all of it happened right?


A destroyed, third world Europe wouldn't be the best thing for America. The Marshall plan was probably one of the most succesful government programs of all time.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 09:06 PM
Aw. It's not bad with some chowchow and corn bread. I love bbq, steaks, ribs etc. Now that's good. And home made meatloaf with the veggies and stuff. Mmm.


I hate red beans and rice. :o

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 09:07 PM
You didn't need the Marshall Plan to help Europe. Personally I think it was crap and a cover for just helping people who we liked at the time and kissed our asses etc. Maybe if we helped Germany out after WWI Hitler wouldn't have been so successful. Of course it's easy to wonder "what if" after all of it happened right?

You're actually right on this one. First and foremost it was a projection of power. But watermark did frame it as a "what's in our interest" fashion. That is honest.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 09:09 PM
Yea. I just think the Marshall Plan was a cover for scaring people with what all was going on at the time. And yea that is honest and I think the Marshall Plan should've at least been that honest ya know?


You're actually right on this one. First and foremost it was a projection of power. But watermark did frame it as a "what's in our interest" fashion. That is honest.

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 09:09 PM
Just because it doesn't work in history doesn't mean it can't work in the future. And yes the Marshall plan is old but kinda still around with the whole "we'll trade with people we like" sort of deal. That's basically what the Marshall plan was in my opinion.


That was not what the marshall plan was.

Damocles
12-19-2007, 09:10 PM
You never answered the question of how free people compete with slaves. You keep posting shit about some bolivarian bullshit.

Im not reading a whole website. You explain to me how free people compete with slaves.

We debate everywhere here. I'm in your face, skanky twat. How's that for rude?
You mean she didn't give you the rote answer you seek. She gave her opinion on how slavery should be fought.

FUCK THE POLICE
12-19-2007, 09:10 PM
Well I guess the point is that I don't need all the capitalistic stuff from Ipods to computers and the rest to be happy. I can live without it if I had to however though since I have it than I'm happy and grateful and all that. But yea Cuba is a sucky situation and I feel bad for the people there. I have a family friend who went there as a missionary once and from her experiences and my research on it for a class once it sucks. You can't even open your windows to enjoy the beautiful day. That's just stupid and crap. But Communism and socialism are two different things and have totally different outlooks of the government. I would rather live in Venezuela than Cuba.

Man, I can live without money, but it sure doesn't hurt.

FUCK THE POLICE
12-19-2007, 09:11 PM
You didn't need the Marshall Plan to help Europe. Personally I think it was crap and a cover for just helping people who we liked at the time and kissed our asses etc. Maybe if we helped Germany out after WWI Hitler wouldn't have been so successful. Of course it's easy to wonder "what if" after all of it happened right?

Maybe if we wouldn't have penalized them after WWI, yes.

The Marshall plan worked. A world without it would be a bad, fractured world today.

Beefy
12-19-2007, 09:12 PM
You didn't need the Marshall Plan to help Europe. Personally I think it was crap and a cover for just helping people who we liked at the time and kissed our asses etc. Maybe if we helped Germany out after WWI Hitler wouldn't have been so successful. Of course it's easy to wonder "what if" after all of it happened right?

The treaty of Versailles virtually guaranteed that there would be a second world war. In fact, many historians believe that WWI never truly ended, and that it just had a 20 year break until Germany invaded Poland in 1939.

The Treaty of Versailles is also indirectly responsible for why we invaded Iraq as well. By granting border rights to colonial powers after WWI, the British divided up parts of the middle east into separate nation states, and this is why Hussein went into Kuwait in '91. And we all loved him prior to that so its safe to say that without that invasion in 1991, there would have been zero pretext for this most recent bloodbath in Iraq.

That being said, foreign policy can have far reaching consequences and severely consequential unintended results, so we should be really, really careful about it.

The Marshall Plan was successful and cheap, but it worked not because of only the money we spent, but because we were working with western countries with similar cultures to ours. The Marshall plan has been described here as an example of why we should continue to send over young men and women to die for nothing in Iraq. But Iraq is not Europe, and nothing will make them become our allies in any meaningful sense.

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 09:12 PM
You mean she didn't give you the rote answer you seek. She gave her opinion on how slavery should be fought.

I asked her if she thought the solution was us all becoming slaves to international socialism, thus eliminating the difference between slave and free ctizen. She wouldn't comment on that. I covered that angle. She was nonresponsive on the matter.

What is the rote answer to that question?

FUCK THE POLICE
12-19-2007, 09:13 PM
You're actually right on this one. First and foremost it was a projection of power. But watermark did frame it as a "what's in our interest" fashion. That is honest.

Personally, I think sending our military over to places and killing people is a lot worse than helping them rebuild their economy. But that's just me. I like to live in a world with as many positives and as few negatives as possible.

FUCK THE POLICE
12-19-2007, 09:14 PM
The Marshall plan was really more of a correcting of previous government infringement than a government infringment in itself.

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 09:14 PM
Personally, I think sending our military over to places and killing people is a lot worse than helping them rebuild their economy. But that's just me. I like to live in a world with as many positives and as few negatives as possible.


It creates an unnatural power structure. Remember the Prime Directive.

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 09:20 PM
The Marshall plan was really more of a correcting of previous government infringement than a government infringment in itself.

Yes. Create the problem, then offer a solution. Illuminati all the way. The Hegelian dialectic or whatever.

Damocles
12-19-2007, 09:22 PM
I asked her if she thought the solution was us all becoming slaves to international socialism, thus eliminating the difference between slave and free ctizen. She wouldn't comment on that. I covered that angle. She was nonresponsive on the matter.

What is the wrote answer to that question?
You expect her to say, "They can't!"

She proposed fighting it directly as they did in two places. Of course, you and I would both say they voluntarily gave themselves to slavery. She, however, is a socialist and thinks that it somehow "frees" people.

FUCK THE POLICE
12-19-2007, 09:22 PM
The Nazi's and Britian created the problem.

We were just like "WTF?" and came in and tried to end it. Then about 3 years later we found out the Nazi's were killing Jews, and then we were glad because, as it turned out, we were suddenly good guys.

Then we came up with the Marshall plan.

Hermes Thoth
12-19-2007, 09:26 PM
You expect her to say, "They can't!"

She proposed fighting it directly as they did in two places. Of course, you and I would both say they voluntarily gave themselves to slavery. She, however, is a socialist and thinks that it somehow "frees" people.


Right. probably how I framed her solution as equal opportunity slavery turned her off from the whole discussion.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 10:44 PM
I know what the Marshall Plan was. It's my view that it was a plan to just do that however. Of course that's just my opinion and that's all it is and nothing more.


That was not what the marshall plan was.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 10:46 PM
Exactly and that's the socialist thought where it concerns capitalism. At least with socialists I know and myself.


Man, I can live without money, but it sure doesn't hurt.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 10:48 PM
I guess I just think they should've been more honest with the plan. Personally I think it had nothing to do at all with Communism either way and was about prompting up our allies more than those we fought against in WWI. Don't forget Iran/Iraq ordeal with Reagan.


The treaty of Versailles virtually guaranteed that there would be a second world war. In fact, many historians believe that WWI never truly ended, and that it just had a 20 year break until Germany invaded Poland in 1939.

The Treaty of Versailles is also indirectly responsible for why we invaded Iraq as well. By granting border rights to colonial powers after WWI, the British divided up parts of the middle east into separate nation states, and this is why Hussein went into Kuwait in '91. And we all loved him prior to that so its safe to say that without that invasion in 1991, there would have been zero pretext for this most recent bloodbath in Iraq.

That being said, foreign policy can have far reaching consequences and severely consequential unintended results, so we should be really, really careful about it.

The Marshall Plan was successful and cheap, but it worked not because of only the money we spent, but because we were working with western countries with similar cultures to ours. The Marshall plan has been described here as an example of why we should continue to send over young men and women to die for nothing in Iraq. But Iraq is not Europe, and nothing will make them become our allies in any meaningful sense.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 10:51 PM
LOL. You're ignorant on socialism and it's clear as hell. It seems you're the only one who can't see it at all. You don't become "slaves" to international socialism. Slaves don't exist in socialism. I did cover it with the SP website link I gave you. Apparently you didn't read it and aren't interested in reading it. If you were interested in my answer you could've read the SP website a good while back and you would've gotten your answers. So get off your lazy ass and click a button and read.


I asked her if she thought the solution was us all becoming slaves to international socialism, thus eliminating the difference between slave and free ctizen. She wouldn't comment on that. I covered that angle. She was nonresponsive on the matter.

What is the rote answer to that question?

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 10:53 PM
Seriously? C'mon now. Be honest. That's not how things happened with WWII. We got into WWII when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. After that Hitler saw we were weak and declared war on us. So we were glad the Nazi's were killing Jews or we were glad we found out? The Marshall Plan had nothing to do with the Nazi's. Have you even read the Marshall Plan?


The Nazi's and Britian created the problem.

We were just like "WTF?" and came in and tried to end it. Then about 3 years later we found out the Nazi's were killing Jews, and then we were glad because, as it turned out, we were suddenly good guys.

Then we came up with the Marshall plan.

SouthernBelle82
12-19-2007, 10:54 PM
Please don't think you've some how won some argument. I'm not on the message board 24/7 like you are apparently. I DO have other things to do even though I'm on winter break.


Right. probably how I framed her solution as equal opportunity slavery turned her off from the whole discussion.

FUCK THE POLICE
12-19-2007, 11:29 PM
Seriously? C'mon now. Be honest. That's not how things happened with WWII. We got into WWII when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. After that Hitler saw we were weak and declared war on us. So we were glad the Nazi's were killing Jews or we were glad we found out? The Marshall Plan had nothing to do with the Nazi's. Have you even read the Marshall Plan?

There really wasn't any just reason for going into the war. It would've been like WWI if they hadn't have been killing Jews, but we didn't know that at the time.

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 05:31 AM
Please don't think you've some how won some argument. I'm not on the message board 24/7 like you are apparently. I DO have other things to do even though I'm on winter break.

That is your solution. Eliminate free people with world communism. Voila, no differences. Global totalitarian utopia, right? And if that's not what you're saying explain how all the bolivarian crap plays into how free people compete with slaves.

Cancel7
12-20-2007, 06:02 AM
LOL. You're ignorant on socialism and it's clear as hell. It seems you're the only one who can't see it at all. You don't become "slaves" to international socialism. Slaves don't exist in socialism. I did cover it with the SP website link I gave you. Apparently you didn't read it and aren't interested in reading it. If you were interested in my answer you could've read the SP website a good while back and you would've gotten your answers. So get off your lazy ass and click a button and read.

Please dont underestimate Asshat again.

He is ignorant on absolutely everything. Socialism is just one subject in a crowd of subjects Asshat is eager to speak ignorantly on.

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 06:07 AM
Please dont underestimate Asshat again.

He is ignorant on absolutely everything. Socialism is just one subject in a crowd of subjects Asshat is eager to speak ignorantly on.

You're pretty uppity for someone I've smited on multiple occasions. All you have is name calling.

uscitizen
12-20-2007, 07:21 AM
School could be paid for by americans themselves. We don't need the government to take our money and give us shitty service.

Basically money would redistribute more evenly on it's own if we did not import workers and export jobs, both processes that drive down wages.

Money would redistribute more evenly on it's own ????
I think not.
We are talking about humans here.

evince
12-20-2007, 07:35 AM
Hey Southernbelle,

I have ot been arround much beause dIve been busy.

I hope the gigilo faction have not yet private messaged you about how they would like to get a picture of you.

They can at times go into testosterone mode. A good bunch of guys we have here who are alot of fun though.

Sounds to me like you will be an excellent addition to the site and I hope your classes give you time to hang with us.

One guy you may want to take note of is Diuretic. He a retired Austrailian cop( detective I think) who is very entertaining.

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 07:37 AM
Money would redistribute more evenly on it's own ????
I think not.
We are talking about humans here.

If we stopped importing cheap labor and exporting jobs, yes it would.

Isn't one of the arguments that things would get more expensive if we stopped importing as much from nations where labor is cheaper, and stopped importing more desperate laborers themselves? Where does that extra money go? American workers. Think it through.

uscitizen
12-20-2007, 07:40 AM
Well yeah but where does the extra money come from ? The American workers ;)

evince
12-20-2007, 07:45 AM
The money would redistibute on its own?

Wow , Only if you have strong labor unions and labor laws. How is it you keep jobs from going over seas? You see you would have to regulate the shit out of the corporations to keep that from happening.

Then you want Americans to pay for their own private schools. Dude you would have the most F'ed up country in the world if you could run it your way.

uscitizen
12-20-2007, 07:48 AM
If AHZ becomes ruler I will just go into the business of selling childrens caskets.

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 08:20 AM
Well yeah but where does the extra money come from ? The American workers ;)

But at least they're in the loop of commerce, instead of subject to the whims of state welfare administrators.

uscitizen
12-20-2007, 08:22 AM
But at least they're in the loop of commerce, instead of subject to the whims of state welfare administrators.

well whooptie doo that sure makes it ok then ;)

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 08:22 AM
The money would redistibute on its own?

Wow , Only if you have strong labor unions and labor laws. How is it you keep jobs from going over seas? You see you would have to regulate the shit out of the corporations to keep that from happening.

Then you want Americans to pay for their own private schools. Dude you would have the most F'ed up country in the world if you could run it your way.
No. It would redistribute if we didn't drive wages down with massive immigration or import so many slave made products.

If slave products were disallowed, free people could have a fighting chance, as there would not be the massive incentive to send the jobs overseas. Think much?

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 08:23 AM
well whooptie doo that sure makes it ok then ;)

Yes. It is clearly a superior position to be in.

TRGLDTE
12-20-2007, 10:17 AM
Aww poor baby! You don't like how I answered a question so I *must* be someone you don't like. Aww! I gave you the tools to find out the answers and even copied and pasted one website here but you didn't like my answer so tough shit. Get over it. I'm a female dumbass. Read my damn profile before you throw shit and look like an idiot. I guess you don't mind that people think you are one. Either that or a paranoid jerk.
You have a reading comprehesion problem, miss.

TRGLDTE
12-20-2007, 10:19 AM
Thanks I think?? He's even more of a jackass than you are, hon. Don't encourage him.

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 10:22 AM
If AHZ becomes ruler I will just go into the business of selling childrens caskets.


fear monger much?

uscitizen
12-20-2007, 10:32 AM
fear monger much?

Nope I have no fear of the monger.

FUCK THE POLICE
12-20-2007, 10:40 AM
So what do criminologists do?

FUCK THE POLICE
12-20-2007, 10:42 AM
He's even more of a jackass than you are, hon. Don't encourage him.

Awwww...

Trog, you know, you're really a little too sensitive.

FUCK THE POLICE
12-20-2007, 10:42 AM
No. It would redistribute if we didn't drive wages down with massive immigration or import so many slave made products.

If slave products were disallowed, free people could have a fighting chance, as there would not be the massive incentive to send the jobs overseas. Think much?

Yep. No regulation = magic. Asshat logic.

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 10:44 AM
Yep. No regulation = magic. Asshat logic.

Where are you getting "no regulation" from? Im saying employ americans first. Don't import slaved goods and enforce the border.

FUCK THE POLICE
12-20-2007, 10:44 AM
Hey Southernbelle,

I have ot been arround much beause dIve been busy.

I hope the gigilo faction have not yet private messaged you about how they would like to get a picture of you.

They can at times go into testosterone mode. A good bunch of guys we have here who are alot of fun though.

Sounds to me like you will be an excellent addition to the site and I hope your classes give you time to hang with us.

One guy you may want to take note of is Diuretic. He a retired Austrailian cop( detective I think) who is very entertaining.

Hey I already did that.

And Di's really a good guy. Every post he makes cracks me up. He's not as funny as Charver, but Charver doesn't even talk politics, so...

Kind of weird that we've got so many non-Americans here.

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 10:46 AM
So what do criminologists do?

Go visit prison and get jiz thrown in their face, Clarice.

uscitizen
12-20-2007, 10:48 AM
Well that pretty well finishes up this thread...

FUCK THE POLICE
12-20-2007, 10:50 AM
Well that pretty well finishes up this thread...

Yep.

Damo, it's pretty much the consensus to close it.

Damocles
12-20-2007, 11:02 AM
That scene was particularly gross...

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 11:46 AM
I wanted to add to your comment about that's all anyone would have. Look at Western Europe. France is even more of a socialist society and they're not dirt poor are they? Nope. Socialists don't have the capitalistic mindset.


Thus, you're a socialist. And in socialism, that's all anyone would have.

I've been to Cuba, they all have exactly that, and they detest it.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 11:53 AM
Are you reading anything I'm saying hun? Under socialism there's no such thing as slavery. Everyone is created equally under the socialist society. If you went to the SP party website and read through everything there you would know this but instead you want to look like a dumbass. And again hun socialism is not Communism. Socialism believes the people own the government and thus everything where as Communism believes the government owns everything. In socialism the people decide (see Venezuela and their national referendum voting) where as in Communism only the Communist Party officials have a say. Do you know what two plus two is? And again hun if you did any of the reading like I suggested to you on what's going on with the Bolivarian Revolution in Venezuela you'd understand but apparently you like soaking in your ignorance and looking like a joke.


That is your solution. Eliminate free people with world communism. Voila, no differences. Global totalitarian utopia, right? And if that's not what you're saying explain how all the bolivarian crap plays into how free people compete with slaves.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 11:56 AM
I gave him the tools necessary to read about socialism and what we're about but apparently he likes looking like a dumbass. I don't know about you Darla but if I'm not sure about something I either do the research myself or ask the person to provide a link for me since they would know and I would go there and read it myself.


Please dont underestimate Asshat again.

He is ignorant on absolutely everything. Socialism is just one subject in a crowd of subjects Asshat is eager to speak ignorantly on.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 11:57 AM
Don't come in here and insult me twice. Now that is rude.


You have a reading comprehesion problem, miss.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 11:59 AM
Thanks for the warning Desh. Well I'm on winter break right now so I am able to come here more often then usual and all. :) I'm sure I'll come back of course.


Hey Southernbelle,

I have ot been arround much beause dIve been busy.

I hope the gigilo faction have not yet private messaged you about how they would like to get a picture of you.

They can at times go into testosterone mode. A good bunch of guys we have here who are alot of fun though.

Sounds to me like you will be an excellent addition to the site and I hope your classes give you time to hang with us.

One guy you may want to take note of is Diuretic. He a retired Austrailian cop( detective I think) who is very entertaining.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 12:01 PM
Aww you've come into my intro thread insulting me. How sweet of you. I bet you do this to all the new girls. (and yes that's sarcasm)


He's even more of a jackass than you are, hon. Don't encourage him.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 12:04 PM
Basically it's doing profiling. Here's a good link for you- http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/criminology.htm


So what do criminologists do?

TRGLDTE
12-20-2007, 12:07 PM
Aww you've come into my intro thread insulting me. How sweet of you. I bet you do this to all the new girls. (and yes that's sarcasm) Naaah, just the bitchy, arrogant ones.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 12:25 PM
Aw how sweet you're talking about yourself. You're the one hun who came into my thread and insulted me so you're just talking about yourself. I think you're in love with yourself too much.


Naaah, just the bitchy, arrogant ones.

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 12:52 PM
I gave him the tools necessary to read about socialism and what we're about but apparently he likes looking like a dumbass. I don't know about you Darla but if I'm not sure about something I either do the research myself or ask the person to provide a link for me since they would know and I would go there and read it myself.


I wasn't asking you about socialism, skank. I was asking you how free people compete with slaves. Apparently you like looking like a retarded syphilitic whore.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 01:27 PM
Aw how sweet you're talking about yourself again. You like to do that don't you? Apparently so. If you understud socialism you won't keep spamming this thread. Now stop with the insults or I'll just keep reporting you.


I wasn't asking you about socialism, skank. I was asking you how free people compete with slaves. Apparently you like looking like a retarded syphilitic whore.

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 01:29 PM
Aw how sweet you're talking about yourself again. You like to do that don't you? Apparently so. If you understud socialism you won't keep spamming this thread. Now stop with the insults or I'll just keep reporting you.



Explain how socialism allows free people to compete with slaves. Can you ?

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 01:30 PM
Can you click a button to go to a link? If so than once again go to http://www.sp-usa.org and read about worker rights there. I'm not expecting you to since you're just spamming this thread and it's becoming pathetic.


Explain how socialism allows free people to compete with slaves. Can you ?

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 01:31 PM
Can you click a button to go to a link? If so than once again go to http://www.sp-usa.org and read about worker rights there. I'm not expecting you to since you're just spamming this thread and it's becoming pathetic.

Just explain how socialism helps free people compete with slaves. I can't read. Splain me it.

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 01:32 PM
So we should just wait until china becomes a workers paradise. they've already gone down that road of lies. And they arrived at human slavery.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 01:35 PM
God you're pathetic. You can't even click a simple link to read about workers rights so I have to do your work for you. Pathetic. Now this is the last time I'm going to address your question. I've been more than patient with you and now you're spamming. This is the last time I'm going to address your issue and if you don't like the answer than tough shit.

Link- http://www.sp-usa.org

Freedom & Equality

Democratic socialism is a political and economic system with freedom and equality for all, so that people may develop to their fullest potential in harmony with others. The Socialist Party is committed to full freedom of speech, assembly, press, and religion, and to a multi-party system. We are dedicated to the abolition of male supremacy and class society, and to the elimination of all forms of oppression, including those based on race, national origin, age, sexual preferences, and disabling conditions.

Production For Use, Not For Profit

In a socialist system the people own and control the means of production and distribution through democratically controlled public agencies, cooperatives, or other collective groups. The primary goal of economic activity is to provide the necessities of life, including food, shelter, health care, education, child care, cultural opportunities, and social services.
These social services include care for the chronically ill, persons with mental disabilities, the infirm and the aging. Planning takes place at the community, regional, and national levels, and is determined democratically with the input of workers, consumers, and the public to be served.

Full Employment

Under welfare capitalism, a reserve pool of people is kept undereducated, under-skilled and unemployed, largely along racial and gender lines, to exert pressure on those who are employed and on organized labor. The employed pay for this knife that capitalism holds to their throats by being taxed to fund welfare programs to maintain the unemployed and their children. In this way the working class is divided against itself; those with jobs and those without are separated by resentment and fear. In socialism, full employment is realized for everyone who wants to work.

Worker & Community Control

Democracy in daily life is the core of our socialism. Public ownership becomes a fraud if decisions are made by distant bureaucrats or authoritarian managers. In socialist society power resides in worker-managed and cooperative enterprises. Community-based cooperatives help provide the flexibility and innovation required in a dynamic socialist economy. Workers have the right to form unions freely, and to strike and engage in other forms of job actions. Worker and community control make it possible to combine life at work, home and in the community into a meaningful whole for adults and children. Girls and boys are encouraged to grow up able to choose freely the shape of their lives and work without gender and racial stereotyping. Children are provided with the care, goods and services, and support that they need, and are protected from abuse.

Ecological Harmony

A socialist society carefully plans its way of life and technology to be a harmonious part of our natural environment. This planning takes place on regional, national, and international levels and covers the production of energy, the use of scarce resources, land-use planning, the prevention of pollution and the preservation of wildlife. The cleanup of the contaminated environment and the creation of a nuclear-free world are among the first tasks of a socialist society.



So we should just wait until china becomes a workers paradise. they've already gone down that road of lies. And they arrived at human slavery.

FUCK THE POLICE
12-20-2007, 01:36 PM
Basically it's doing profiling. Here's a good link for you- http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/criminology.htm

Well that'll be interesting, having an actual "criminologist" here. I'm usually critiscized at this site for believing in leniency. I really just don't have much retribution in me and don't see the point.

The war on drugs is also idiocy. Putting addicts in jail for having a disease is mind numbingly stupid. And, well, once we get rid of that, we have about half the people in jail that we do now.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 01:41 PM
So true. There was a really good documentary on the national geographic channel called "Prison Nation" that talks about the over population of prison's and the problems that come with that from gangs to drugs etc. In my criminal justice class we talked about the "war on drugs" and I was happy to hear that everyone in the class was against the whole idea and stuff. Well I'm not an actual Criminologist or anything. It's just the intrest I'm wanting to do in the field. :)


Well that'll be interesting, having an actual "criminologist" here. I'm usually critiscized at this site for believing in leniency. I really just don't have much retribution in me and don't see the point.

The war on drugs is also idiocy. Putting addicts in jail for having a disease is mind numbingly stupid. And, well, once we get rid of that, we have about half the people in jail that we do now.

TRGLDTE
12-20-2007, 01:45 PM
Just explain how socialism helps free people compete with slaves. I can't read. Splain me it. She can't. All she can do is parrot a website. Round and round. No original thought, but then again she is a self-described socialist.

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 02:02 PM
God you're pathetic. You can't even click a simple link to read about workers rights so I have to do your work for you. Pathetic. Now this is the last time I'm going to address your question. I've been more than patient with you and now you're spamming. This is the last time I'm going to address your issue and if you don't like the answer than tough shit.

Link- http://www.sp-usa.org

Freedom & Equality

Democratic socialism is a political and economic system with freedom and equality for all, so that people may develop to their fullest potential in harmony with others. The Socialist Party is committed to full freedom of speech, assembly, press, and religion, and to a multi-party system. We are dedicated to the abolition of male supremacy and class society, and to the elimination of all forms of oppression, including those based on race, national origin, age, sexual preferences, and disabling conditions.

Production For Use, Not For Profit

In a socialist system the people own and control the means of production and distribution through democratically controlled public agencies, cooperatives, or other collective groups. The primary goal of economic activity is to provide the necessities of life, including food, shelter, health care, education, child care, cultural opportunities, and social services.
These social services include care for the chronically ill, persons with mental disabilities, the infirm and the aging. Planning takes place at the community, regional, and national levels, and is determined democratically with the input of workers, consumers, and the public to be served.

Full Employment

Under welfare capitalism, a reserve pool of people is kept undereducated, under-skilled and unemployed, largely along racial and gender lines, to exert pressure on those who are employed and on organized labor. The employed pay for this knife that capitalism holds to their throats by being taxed to fund welfare programs to maintain the unemployed and their children. In this way the working class is divided against itself; those with jobs and those without are separated by resentment and fear. In socialism, full employment is realized for everyone who wants to work.

Worker & Community Control

Democracy in daily life is the core of our socialism. Public ownership becomes a fraud if decisions are made by distant bureaucrats or authoritarian managers. In socialist society power resides in worker-managed and cooperative enterprises. Community-based cooperatives help provide the flexibility and innovation required in a dynamic socialist economy. Workers have the right to form unions freely, and to strike and engage in other forms of job actions. Worker and community control make it possible to combine life at work, home and in the community into a meaningful whole for adults and children. Girls and boys are encouraged to grow up able to choose freely the shape of their lives and work without gender and racial stereotyping. Children are provided with the care, goods and services, and support that they need, and are protected from abuse.

Ecological Harmony

A socialist society carefully plans its way of life and technology to be a harmonious part of our natural environment. This planning takes place on regional, national, and international levels and covers the production of energy, the use of scarce resources, land-use planning, the prevention of pollution and the preservation of wildlife. The cleanup of the contaminated environment and the creation of a nuclear-free world are among the first tasks of a socialist society.



So in the case of china, are we just hope they improve the conditions of their workers (which will make their products more expensive) so they don't put us all out of work? Is that what we're to do.

As I said. they've gone all the way down this rosy path of lies and arrived at human slavery. You're mentally bankrupt.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 02:15 PM
Aw more insults from a loser. How sweet! And I parroted the website because I don't have time to type out everything myself and they already have it done. I bet you do the same thing hun all the time. I gave him the link to go on himself and read up on socialism and workers but apparently he is too much of a lazy ass to click on a simple link that'll take him to it and read for himself. I also answered his question by stating that slaves don't exist in socialism but they didn't like the answer I gave so tough shit.


She can't. All she can do is parrot a website. Round and round. No original thought, but then again she is a self-described socialist.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 02:18 PM
Honey why do you keep using China? China is a COMMUNIST STATE! Communism does not equal socialism! Get that through your head! Did you research the Bolivarian Revolution? Apparently not. You're here to just spam and I'm sick of it. I've answered your question's but you're an ignorant ass and I'm sick of it. I'm tired of repeating myself to a clueless ignorant loser like you.


So in the case of china, are we just hope they improve the conditions of their workers (which will make their products more expensive) so they don't put us all out of work? Is that what we're to do.

As I said. they've gone all the way down this rosy path of lies and arrived at human slavery. You're mentally bankrupt.

TRGLDTE
12-20-2007, 02:18 PM
Aw more insults from a loser. How sweet! And I parroted the website because I don't have time to type out everything myself and they already have it done. I bet you do the same thing hun all the time. I gave him the link to go on himself and read up on socialism and workers but apparently he is too much of a lazy ass to click on a simple link that'll take him to it and read for himself. I also answered his question by stating that slaves don't exist in socialism but they didn't like the answer I gave so tough shit. Unless you wrote that web page, then you are not expressing your thoughts on socialism, just parroting others. Simple parroting is the sign of an immature intellect.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 02:19 PM
And don't you throw your pathetic insults at me until you understand the damn difference between communism and socialism you ignorant fool.


So in the case of china, are we just hope they improve the conditions of their workers (which will make their products more expensive) so they don't put us all out of work? Is that what we're to do.

As I said. they've gone all the way down this rosy path of lies and arrived at human slavery. You're mentally bankrupt.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 02:20 PM
I already told them my own answers if you've paid attention at all but apparently that wasn't good enough for them. So get over it.


Unless you wrote that web page, then you are not expressing your thoughts on socialism, just parroting others. Simple parroting is the sign of an immature intellect.

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 02:20 PM
Honey why do you keep using China? China is a COMMUNIST STATE! Communism does not equal socialism! Get that through your head! Did you research the Bolivarian Revolution? Apparently not. You're here to just spam and I'm sick of it. I've answered your question's but you're an ignorant ass and I'm sick of it. I'm tired of repeating myself to a clueless ignorant loser like you.

You haven't answered shit.

COmmunism is supposed to be a workers paradise, just like socialism. they're both lies.

SO is your answer that we wait for a SOCIALIST revolution in totalitarians fascist (communist) china? IS that your final answer?

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 02:21 PM
And it might do you some good to read through the whole thread before you spew your shit. I gave them my own answers which wasn't good enough so get over it. I told them the definition of socialism and workers rights and that wasn't good enough. I gave them the website to go to themselves and they're lazy ass so I copied and pasted it here. Get over it and stop spamming my thread.


Unless you wrote that web page, then you are not expressing your thoughts on socialism, just parroting others. Simple parroting is the sign of an immature intellect.

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 02:23 PM
And it might do you some good to read through the whole thread before you spew your shit. I gave them my own answers which wasn't good enough so get over it. I told them the definition of socialism and workers rights and that wasn't good enough. I gave them the website to go to themselves and they're lazy ass so I copied and pasted it here. Get over it and stop spamming my thread.


You have never answered. Are we to wait for china to become "socialist"? Just fucking answer.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 02:23 PM
Yes I have answered shit dumbass. If you don't read and comprehend what I'm saying than it's not my problem it's yours. Socialism does not equal communism dumbass. They're both lies? The only one lying here is you in your ignorant bliss. I even copied and pasted the answers to your question's about socialism from the official party website and you clearly didn't read it. Again you're just here to spam and be pathetic and I'm tired of your shit. The answers are here in this thread if you want them bad enough but apparently you ignore what doesn't go with your views of both communism and socialism. I didn't start this thread to start a debate on socialism but to introduce myself. Get over it.


You haven't answered shit.

COmmunism is supposed to be a workers paradise, just like socialism. they're both lies.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 02:25 PM
Hun China is Communist. Not Socialist. Do you know what two plus two equals? And if the people of China want a socialist government than they can have one. I guess you don't like people choosing their own destiny's but you want to choose it for them huh? Typical fascist.


You have never answered. Are we to wait for china to become "socialist"? Just fucking answer.

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 02:25 PM
Yes I have answered shit dumbass. If you don't read and comprehend what I'm saying than it's not my problem it's yours. Socialism does not equal communism dumbass. They're both lies? The only one lying here is you in your ignorant bliss. I even copied and pasted the answers to your question's about socialism from the official party website and you clearly didn't read it. Again you're just here to spam and be pathetic and I'm tired of your shit. The answers are here in this thread if you want them bad enough but apparently you ignore what doesn't go with your views of both communism and socialism. I didn't start this thread to start a debate on socialism but to introduce myself. Get over it.

No you haven't. Are we to wait for china to become socialist and raise up their people instead of treating them like slaves? that seems to be your answer. Is it? Yes or no.

Cancel7
12-20-2007, 02:29 PM
Hun China is Communist. Not Socialist. Do you know what two plus two equals? And if the people of China want a socialist government than they can have one. I guess you don't like people choosing their own destiny's but you want to choose it for them huh? Typical fascist.

SB did you ever start a new job, and there is always one person who gloms onto you? Wants to know everything about you, wants to have lunch, wants to go to the bathroom with you, wants to tell you where everything is? And once you’ve worked a few jobs you learn that this person is invariably the office freak who no one wants to talk to or go to lunch with or have anything to do with, and that is why they glom on the new person, in the hopes of finally having an office friend?
Well, here, the office freak part, is played by Asshat and Battleborne. In other words, no body, and I mean NO-BODY, gives one rat’s behind what these idiots have to say. So when a new person comes, look out because Asshat is going to desperately try and rope them into a pointless argument over slavery or affirmative action, or “the noahides”.

TRGLDTE
12-20-2007, 02:32 PM
In order to be effective, a criminologist must clearly and concisely explain in their own words. This is a poor career choice for you.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 02:33 PM
Thanks Darla. I gave them plenty of answers for their question's from both myself and from the official party website. I've done what I was to do and if they can't handle the answers and how I answered than that's their problem. If they want more answers than google is their new best friend because I started this thread to introduce myself and say hi to everyone and not to be harassed over and over again with the same question's I've already answered. So now that I know this anything further dealing with the same subjects I'm just not going to answer. So that's to you Asshat and Battleborne. I've tried being nice and patient but there's only so many times I can keep answering the same question in so many words.


SB did you ever start a new job, and there is always one person who gloms onto you? Wants to know everything about you, wants to have lunch, wants to go to the bathroom with you, wants to tell you where everything is? And once you’ve worked a few jobs you learn that this person is invariably the office freak who no one wants to talk to or go to lunch with or have anything to do with, and that is why they glom on the new person, in the hopes of finally having an office friend?
Well, here, the office freak part, is played by Asshat and Battleborne. In other words, no body, and I mean NO-BODY, gives one rat’s behind what these idiots have to say. So when a new person comes, look out because Asshat is going to desperately try and rope them into a pointless argument over slavery or affirmative action, or “the noahides”.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 02:34 PM
Hun just because you don't accept my answers doesn't mean I haven't done this. Also this is a message board not doing a job. I come here to enjoy myself but you and Asshat seem to be ruining that for me and I don't give a damn what you think about my career choice. It's what I'm passionate about and I don't need your damn approval because I didn't seek it. Get over yourself.


In order to be effective, a criminologist must clearly and concisely explain in their own words. This is a poor career choice for you.

TRGLDTE
12-20-2007, 02:37 PM
SB did you ever start a new job, and there is always one person who gloms onto you? Wants to know everything about you, wants to have lunch, wants to go to the bathroom with you, wants to tell you where everything is? And once you’ve worked a few jobs you learn that this person is invariably the office freak who no one wants to talk to or go to lunch with or have anything to do with, and that is why they glom on the new person, in the hopes of finally having an office friend?
Well, here, the office freak part, is played by Asshat and Battleborne. In other words, no body, and I mean NO-BODY, gives one rat’s behind what these idiots have to say. So when a new person comes, look out because Asshat is going to desperately try and rope them into a pointless argument over slavery or affirmative action, or “the ********”.

Nooooooooooooo! Don't mention the "pelts of the father of Ham, Shem and Japheth" or we're in for it!

TRGLDTE
12-20-2007, 02:40 PM
Hun just because you don't accept my answers doesn't mean I haven't done this. Also this is a message board not doing a job. I come here to enjoy myself but you and Asshat seem to be ruining that for me and I don't give a damn what you think about my career choice. It's what I'm passionate about and I don't need your damn approval because I didn't seek it. Get over yourself. Sorry, Hun, not trying to run you off.

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 02:42 PM
SB did you ever start a new job, and there is always one person who gloms onto you? Wants to know everything about you, wants to have lunch, wants to go to the bathroom with you, wants to tell you where everything is? And once you’ve worked a few jobs you learn that this person is invariably the office freak who no one wants to talk to or go to lunch with or have anything to do with, and that is why they glom on the new person, in the hopes of finally having an office friend?
Well, here, the office freak part, is played by Asshat and Battleborne. In other words, no body, and I mean NO-BODY, gives one rat’s behind what these idiots have to say. So when a new person comes, look out because Asshat is going to desperately try and rope them into a pointless argument over slavery or affirmative action, or “the noahides”.

It's not pointless. it's very revealing that her brain actually shuts down when trying to deal with certain issues.

She seems to be saying we will be able to compete with chinese workers when china becomes socialist, but she will neither confirm nor deny my interpretation of her grunts and whistles.

Damocles
12-20-2007, 02:45 PM
Hun just because you don't accept my answers doesn't mean I haven't done this. Also this is a message board not doing a job. I come here to enjoy myself but you and Asshat seem to be ruining that for me and I don't give a damn what you think about my career choice. It's what I'm passionate about and I don't need your damn approval because I didn't seek it. Get over yourself.
You seem to be holding your own. It doesn't get worse.

Cancel7
12-20-2007, 02:48 PM
Thanks Darla. I gave them plenty of answers for their question's from both myself and from the official party website. I've done what I was to do and if they can't handle the answers and how I answered than that's their problem. If they want more answers than google is their new best friend because I started this thread to introduce myself and say hi to everyone and not to be harassed over and over again with the same question's I've already answered. So now that I know this anything further dealing with the same subjects I'm just not going to answer. So that's to you Asshat and Battleborne. I've tried being nice and patient but there's only so many times I can keep answering the same question in so many words.

Definitely stop answering asshat on this thread, because he will never stop. Check out other threads, it's a good board. If you get stuck in this thread with Asshat you will never know that. :)

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 02:53 PM
Definitely stop answering asshat on this thread, because he will never stop. Check out other threads, it's a good board. If you get stuck in this thread with Asshat you will never know that. :)


Yes. When you have no coherent answer and have complete brain freeze, and cannot confirm what you're saying. Bow out. Good strategy. I agree.

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 02:54 PM
You seem to be holding your own. It doesn't get worse.


I just don't see her holding her own. I've tried to figure out what her answer is, and she won't confirm or deny it. To me, that's losing badly.

Beefy
12-20-2007, 03:01 PM
I just don't see her holding her own. I've tried to figure out what her answer is, and she won't confirm or deny it. To me, that's losing badly.

I call it a skewering.

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 03:04 PM
I call it a skewering.

Thank you beefy.

Stating things plainly causes her skin to burn for some reason. maybe because when put plainly it sounds idiotic.

Cancel7
12-20-2007, 03:06 PM
I call it a skewering.

Oh yeah, everybody's getting skewered but none of us girls have felt a thing.

Beefy
12-20-2007, 03:08 PM
Oh yeah, everybody's getting skewered but none of us girls have felt a thing.

Not all of us can be Peter North.

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 03:09 PM
Oh yeah, everybody's getting skewered but none of us girls have felt a thing.

lol.
"Is it in yet?"

"No thanks. I don't smoke."

"Are you taking my temperature?"

TRGLDTE
12-20-2007, 03:25 PM
Thank you beefy.

Stating things plainly causes her skin to burn for some reason. maybe because when put plainly it sounds idiotic. Let's see... Channeling Belle....

Pathetic loser.
Get over yourself
too bad you don't like my answers
here's a website
you can't read

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 03:27 PM
Let's see... Channeling Belle....

Pathetic loser.
Get over yourself
too bad you don't like my answers
here's a website
you can't read

Yep. I think she's just an automated web program.

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 03:31 PM
It's really so great to see that darla is actually absorbing my information. maybe one day she'll do an ounce of research herself and discover it's all actually true.

Cancel7
12-20-2007, 03:33 PM
It's really so great to see that darla is actually absorbing my information. maybe one day she'll do an ounce of research herself and discover it's all actually true.

Yeah, I'd have to do at least an ounce before I was f'd up enough to think anything you said was true.

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 03:35 PM
Yeah, I'd have to do at least an ounce before I was f'd up enough to think anything you said was true.

But see, things are true or not true regardless of your thoughts. It's just a matter of aligning your brain with reality, which you choose not to do. Truth is not just what you want to think it is. Are you aware of that?

Battleborne
12-20-2007, 04:46 PM
Hey Southernbelle,

I have ot been arround much beause dIve been busy.

I hope the gigilo faction have not yet private messaged you about how they would like to get a picture of you.

They can at times go into testosterone mode. A good bunch of guys we have here who are alot of fun though.

Sounds to me like you will be an excellent addition to the site and I hope your classes give you time to hang with us.

One guy you may want to take note of is Diuretic. He a retired Austrailian cop( detective I think) who is very entertaining.


Diet my over the seas mate is not yet retired has about 3years to go...and he is not a investigator...he is in supervisory management!:)

Battleborne
12-20-2007, 04:51 PM
Let's see... Channeling Belle....

Pathetic loser.
Get over yourself
too bad you don't like my answers
here's a website
you can't read


hun...she thinks this is sexy I suppose...old school ...either she is way older than she states...or she is a foreign student from Venezuela and thinks this will take the guys off guard...worked for waterboy and asshat though...:D

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:00 PM
You're officially on ignore. Goodbye. I'm sick of y'alls crap. I came here to talk about politics in a respectful manner and have been treated like crap since I've been here and all because of my politics. Only one person has apologized for treating me like crap and they know who they are. I didn't come here to be harassed for being a socialist by the likes of you. Get over yourself.


Let's see... Channeling Belle....

Pathetic loser.
Get over yourself
too bad you don't like my answers
here's a website
you can't read

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:01 PM
You're doing a horrible job at it hun. I'm getting pretty fed up.


Sorry, Hun, not trying to run you off.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:04 PM
No hun. I've gone over this with you over and over and over and every answer I give you you're unhappy with. That's not my problem. It's yours and it says something about YOU. And if you can't compete with China than you can't compete with China. Socialists are for an open and fair market and want everyone to play in the trade game. Not like capitalists who only pick and choose who they want based on who makes what money. If someone has a good to sale they should be able to sell it. Who gives a damn how much China makes? You want to shut them out because they happen to make a lot of money? That's pathetic. Oh hun as long as in you are in MY thread don't you talk about me like I'm not here. I'm here reading everything. Talk to my damn face.


It's not pointless. it's very revealing that her brain actually shuts down when trying to deal with certain issues.

She seems to be saying we will be able to compete with chinese workers when china becomes socialist, but she will neither confirm nor deny my interpretation of her grunts and whistles.

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 06:07 PM
No hun. I've gone over this with you over and over and over and every answer I give you you're unhappy with. That's not my problem. It's yours and it says something about YOU. And if you can't compete with China than you can't compete with China. Socialists are for an open and fair market and want everyone to play in the trade game. Not like capitalists who only pick and choose who they want based on who makes what money. If someone has a good to sale they should be able to sell it. Who gives a damn how much China makes? You want to shut them out because they happen to make a lot of money? That's pathetic.

So if free people can't compete with slavery that's just too bad for them. That attitude guarantees the enslavement of all humanity. You are sick.

Does a fair market allow slave labor created goods? Yeah. Real fair. You don't understand the meaning of the word, hun. You're morally sick.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:07 PM
You're pathetic. Have I told you that Asshat? If not than you are. I've given you all the answers to your question's and you still act like I haven't even tried even with my own damn brain. So yes I'm going to stop responding to any of your other question's. You know how to get the answers you want and you can go back through this thread and read my own answers. If you don't like them and can't accept them than, again, it's your problem. Thanks for ruining my thread you pathetic jerk. Go and ruin someone else's.


Yes. When you have no coherent answer and have complete brain freeze, and cannot confirm what you're saying. Bow out. Good strategy. I agree.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:08 PM
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! I EVEN GAVE YOU A WHOLE FUCKING PAGE OF ANSWERS! YOU REFUSE TO TAKE THEM SO STOP BLAMING ME FOR YOUR SHIT! GET OUT OF HERE!


I just don't see her holding her own. I've tried to figure out what her answer is, and she won't confirm or deny it. To me, that's losing badly.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:09 PM
ONCE AGAIN IGNORING THE MANY TIMES I'VE ALREADY ANSWERED YOUR DAMN QUESTION'S!


Thank you beefy.

Stating things plainly causes her skin to burn for some reason. maybe because when put plainly it sounds idiotic.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:10 PM
Get out of here. If you have nothing but insults to me than get the hell out. You don't exist to me anymore Asshat. I've tried being nice to you but that's it. I'm through. You're now officially on ignore. BYE LOSER!


Yep. I think she's just an automated web program.

Beefy
12-20-2007, 06:11 PM
You're pathetic. Have I told you that Asshat? If not than you are. I've given you all the answers to your question's and you still act like I haven't even tried even with my own damn brain. So yes I'm going to stop responding to any of your other question's. You know how to get the answers you want and you can go back through this thread and read my own answers. If you don't like them and can't accept them than, again, it's your problem. Thanks for ruining my thread you pathetic jerk. Go and ruin someone else's.

Hi. Do you find this man attractive?

http://starbulletin.com/2005/05/13/features/art4b.jpg

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:11 PM
And this coming from someone who thinks Communism and socialism are the same thing! LOL!!!!!!!!


But see, things are true or not true regardless of your thoughts. It's just a matter of aligning your brain with reality, which you choose not to do. Truth is not just what you want to think it is. Are you aware of that?

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 06:12 PM
ONCE AGAIN IGNORING THE MANY TIMES I'VE ALREADY ANSWERED YOUR DAMN QUESTION'S!



No you didn't.

Well now you did. And I see you have no soul and care little about humankind.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:12 PM
You've been reported for spam.


Hi. Do you find this man attractive?

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 06:12 PM
And this coming from someone who thinks Communism and socialism are the same thing! LOL!!!!!!!!

They're both deranged and idiotic like you, their mindless advocate.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:13 PM
Just stating the truth.


hun...she thinks this is sexy I suppose...old school ...either she is way older than she states...or she is a foreign student from Venezuela and thinks this will take the guys off guard...worked for waterboy and asshat though...:D

Beefy
12-20-2007, 06:13 PM
You've been reported for spam.

Hi. Do you find this man attractive?

I'll be sure to reprimand myself.

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 06:13 PM
You're pathetic. Have I told you that Asshat? If not than you are. I've given you all the answers to your question's and you still act like I haven't even tried even with my own damn brain. So yes I'm going to stop responding to any of your other question's. You know how to get the answers you want and you can go back through this thread and read my own answers. If you don't like them and can't accept them than, again, it's your problem. Thanks for ruining my thread you pathetic jerk. Go and ruin someone else's.

You're pathetic. You fascist little totalitarian human hating homunculus.

I made this thread great by exposing you for the intellectual hack you are.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:15 PM
Once again hun say it with me this time okay? Slaves do not exist in socialism. Everyone is treated fairly. Everyone gets paid the proper wages. The people own the companies etc. Have you ever heard of unions? Have you ever heard of worker rights? You're morally sick dumbass. Maybe if you got off your pathetic loser train and read on socialism I wouldn't still be here repeating myself over and over again. I'm going to post ONE MORE TIME IN BOLD LETTERS what socialism is about with worker rights. That will be the last time. I suggest you read it. Comprehend it. Than get the hell off the subject because this will be the last time I say anything about it.


So if free people can't compete with slavery that's just too bad for them. That attitude guarantees the enslavement of all humanity. You are sick.

Does a fair market allow slave labor created goods? Yeah. Real fair. You don't understand the meaning of the word, hun. You're morally sick.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:19 PM
This is to Asshat. Now this is from the official party website for socialists. These are my views and the fact they come from the ofifical party website means shit. I agree with them so deal with it. These are the answers to your question's. If you don't address point by point on this than I know you're doing nothing but spam and you don't care either way about my views and the socialist views. So here they are. And again for you Asshat you better reply point by point or you're officially going to be ignored. You would be the one who is a web-bot and not me. And stop with the ignorant bull that Communism and socialism is the same thing because they aren't!

Link- http://www.sp-usa.org

Freedom & Equality

Democratic socialism is a political and economic system with freedom and equality for all, so that people may develop to their fullest potential in harmony with others. The Socialist Party is committed to full freedom of speech, assembly, press, and religion, and to a multi-party system. We are dedicated to the abolition of male supremacy and class society, and to the elimination of all forms of oppression, including those based on race, national origin, age, sexual preferences, and disabling conditions.

Production For Use, Not For Profit

In a socialist system the people own and control the means of production and distribution through democratically controlled public agencies, cooperatives, or other collective groups. The primary goal of economic activity is to provide the necessities of life, including food, shelter, health care, education, child care, cultural opportunities, and social services.
These social services include care for the chronically ill, persons with mental disabilities, the infirm and the aging. Planning takes place at the community, regional, and national levels, and is determined democratically with the input of workers, consumers, and the public to be served.

Full Employment

Under welfare capitalism, a reserve pool of people is kept undereducated, under-skilled and unemployed, largely along racial and gender lines, to exert pressure on those who are employed and on organized labor. The employed pay for this knife that capitalism holds to their throats by being taxed to fund welfare programs to maintain the unemployed and their children. In this way the working class is divided against itself; those with jobs and those without are separated by resentment and fear. In socialism, full employment is realized for everyone who wants to work.

Worker & Community Control

Democracy in daily life is the core of our socialism. Public ownership becomes a fraud if decisions are made by distant bureaucrats or authoritarian managers. In socialist society power resides in worker-managed and cooperative enterprises. Community-based cooperatives help provide the flexibility and innovation required in a dynamic socialist economy. Workers have the right to form unions freely, and to strike and engage in other forms of job actions. Worker and community control make it possible to combine life at work, home and in the community into a meaningful whole for adults and children. Girls and boys are encouraged to grow up able to choose freely the shape of their lives and work without gender and racial stereotyping. Children are provided with the care, goods and services, and support that they need, and are protected from abuse.

Ecological Harmony

A socialist society carefully plans its way of life and technology to be a harmonious part of our natural environment. This planning takes place on regional, national, and international levels and covers the production of energy, the use of scarce resources, land-use planning, the prevention of pollution and the preservation of wildlife. The cleanup of the contaminated environment and the creation of a nuclear-free world are among the first tasks of a socialist society.

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 06:19 PM
Once again hun say it with me this time okay? Slaves do not exist in socialism. Everyone is treated fairly. Everyone gets paid the proper wages. The people own the companies etc. Have you ever heard of unions? Have you ever heard of worker rights? You're morally sick dumbass. Maybe if you got off your pathetic loser train and read on socialism I wouldn't still be here repeating myself over and over again. I'm going to post ONE MORE TIME IN BOLD LETTERS what socialism is about with worker rights. That will be the last time. I suggest you read it. Comprehend it. Than get the hell off the subject because this will be the last time I say anything about it.

But slaves exist in china. So are we to wait for china to become socialist?

Socialism is irrelevant. China is committed totalitarian fascism and great disparity. They DON"T BELIEVE in the values of human equality or human dignity.

SO since it's fucked in the head to think china will abandon it's course, tell me how free people compete with slaves.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:21 PM
With that pathetic remark and attempt to smear me it clearly shows me you have no fucking clue about socialism and the point of it.


No you didn't.

Well now you did. And I see you have no soul and care little about humankind.

Cancel7
12-20-2007, 06:22 PM
You've been reported for spam.



I'll be sure to reprimand myself.

This thread is hysterical.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:22 PM
Aww you've tried to hurt my feelings. How cute. Why don't you stick to asking the same question over and over again even after people have answered that? You're better at it. You surely spend most of your time in this thread. Mmm makes me think you have a crush on me. Sorry but I don't date losers.


They're both deranged and idiotic like you, their mindless advocate.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:23 PM
Aw a moderator doing spam. How cute and pathetic.



You've been reported for spam.



I'll be sure to reprimand myself.

Beefy
12-20-2007, 06:24 PM
[B]Freedom & Equality

Democratic socialism is a political and economic system with freedom and equality for all, so that people may develop to their fullest potential in harmony with others. The Socialist Party is committed to full freedom of speech, assembly, press, and religion, and to a multi-party system. We are dedicated to the abolition of male supremacy and class society, and to the elimination of all forms of oppression, including those based on race, national origin, age, sexual preferences, and disabling conditions.

Production For Use, Not For Profit

How can it be economically "free" if one is not free to earn a profit? That doesn't make sense. It falls apart right there because you've A.) taken incentives away from people and B.) restricted their right to earn a profit.

I already think its dopey. I'll read the rest later. :kiss2:

Hermes Thoth
12-20-2007, 06:24 PM
Aww you've tried to hurt my feelings. How cute. Why don't you stick to asking the same question over and over again even after people have answered that? You're better at it. You surely spend most of your time in this thread. Mmm makes me think you have a crush on me. Sorry but I don't date losers.


You finally answered it after much haranguing. Your answer is free people deserve to starve if they can't compete with slavery. You have no soul. Good day to you.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:24 PM
I don't live in China. You don't live in China do you Asshat? If you don't live in China than guess what? YOU GET NO FUCKING SAY! Have you ever heard of sovreignty? Apparently not. Get a dictionary and look it up. I already told you dumbass a million times how free people deal with slaves. EVERYONE TRADES! And if China is still making more money oh well.


But slaves exist in china. So are we to wait for china to become socialist?

Socialism is irrelevant. China is committed totalitarian fascism and great disparity. They DON"T BELIEVE in the values of human equality or human dignity.

SO since it's fucked in the head to think china will abandon it's course, tell me how free people compete with slaves.

Beefy
12-20-2007, 06:25 PM
Aw a moderator doing spam. How cute and pathetic.



I was trying to lighten the mood, everyone on this thread got all huffy and had all these hurt feelings. I was adding levity. That man by the way, is Bruddah Iz, and I respect him dearly.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:26 PM
LOL. You're still trying to insult my intelligence is still hilarious. Again you still think Communism and socialism are the same thing. LOL. I'm a fascist? LOL! Oh hun you truly are pathetic. Get out of here. Bye!


You're pathetic. You fascist little totalitarian human hating homunculus.

I made this thread great by exposing you for the intellectual hack you are.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:28 PM
What the hell are you talking about? I guess you better tell the people of Venezuela that they don't earn money now..... People do earn money in socialism. Duh.


How can it be economically "free" if one is not free to earn a profit? That doesn't make sense. It falls apart right there because you've A.) taken incentives away from people and B.) restricted their right to earn a profit.

I already think its dopey. I'll read the rest later. :kiss2:

Cancel7
12-20-2007, 06:31 PM
The men here aren't too smart Belle. We try and compliment them on their muscles from time to time, to keep them quiet, but other than that we pretty much go about our business and ignore their childish antics.

Beefy
12-20-2007, 06:31 PM
What the hell are you talking about? I guess you better tell the people of Venezuela that they don't earn money now..... People do earn money in socialism. Duh.

Production for use, not for profit

Its from your post. If you can't produce for profit then you can't be economically free. Socialism in inherently oppressive if its core economic tenet is repressing the ability of man to earn a profit.

Beefy
12-20-2007, 06:33 PM
The men here aren't too smart Belle. We try and compliment them on their muscles from time to time, to keep them quiet, but other than that we pretty much go about our business and ignore their childish antics.

Well, RJS is in mensa, so he must be pretty smart.

Cancel7
12-20-2007, 06:35 PM
Well, RJS is in mensa, so he must be pretty smart.

He might be a rare exception. I haven't read many of his posts.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:35 PM
No hun. That's not what I said at all. I take it you didn't read anything I said from it. I guess it is heartless to want people to have free health care, free education up through college eh? Yea that's really souless isn't it? Look at France hun.


You finally answered it after much haranguing. Your answer is free people deserve to starve if they can't compete with slavery. You have no soul. Good day to you.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:38 PM
Surely didn't seem like it.


[QUOTE=SouthernBelle82;177410]Aw a moderator doing spam. How cute and pathetic.



I was trying to lighten the mood, everyone on this thread got all huffy and had all these hurt feelings. I was adding levity. That man by the way, is Bruddah Iz, and I respect him dearly.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:39 PM
Well thankfully I don't know any men like that in real life. I'm sick of Asshat's harassment. He still hasn't addressed point by point from the sp website and that says a lot. It says that he isn't interested at all in what I or the socialists have to say about the issue. He just wants to be a jerk and insulting.


The men here aren't too smart Belle. We try and compliment them on their muscles from time to time, to keep them quiet, but other than that we pretty much go about our business and ignore their childish antics.

Beefy
12-20-2007, 06:39 PM
Surely didn't seem like it.


Try not to be so terribly sensitive. This site can get pretty rowdy and random. Its why its one of the best sites around. We have the best user base, and there's very, very little moderation.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:41 PM
How convient you left out the rest of it.


In a socialist system the people own and control the means of production and distribution through democratically controlled public agencies, cooperatives, or other collective groups. The primary goal of economic activity is to provide the necessities of life, including food, shelter, health care, education, child care, cultural opportunities, and social services.
These social services include care for the chronically ill, persons with mental disabilities, the infirm and the aging. Planning takes place at the community, regional, and national levels, and is determined democratically with the input of workers, consumers, and the public to be served.


Production for use, not for profit

Its from your post. If you can't produce for profit then you can't be economically free. Socialism in inherently oppressive if its core economic tenet is repressing the ability of man to earn a profit.

Cancel7
12-20-2007, 06:42 PM
Well thankfully I don't know any men like that in real life. I'm sick of Asshat's harassment. He still hasn't addressed point by point from the sp website and that says a lot. It says that he isn't interested at all in what I or the socialists have to say about the issue. He just wants to be a jerk and insulting.

Ok asshat is an asshole. When I'm in a bad mood, I abuse him, like a cat, only he squeals louder, so it's more fun. Otherwise I ignore him. Don't let asshat bother you! He thinks he's run everyone off this board and that people are afraid of him, and everyone is a dumbass but he's a genius.

In other words, he's delusional. Seriously.

Cancel7
12-20-2007, 06:42 PM
Try not to be so terribly sensitive. This site can get pretty rowdy and random. Its why its one of the best sites around. We have the best user base, and there's very, very little moderation.

Let's not bring Damo's penis into this.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:43 PM
Gee it's pretty hard to be not senstive when I've been attacked since I've been here.


Try not to be so terribly sensitive. This site can get pretty rowdy and random. Its why its one of the best sites around. We have the best user base, and there's very, very little moderation.

Beefy
12-20-2007, 06:44 PM
How convient you left out the rest of it.


In a socialist system the people own and control the means of production and distribution through democratically controlled public agencies, cooperatives, or other collective groups. The primary goal of economic activity is to provide the necessities of life, including food, shelter, health care, education, child care, cultural opportunities, and social services.
These social services include care for the chronically ill, persons with mental disabilities, the infirm and the aging. Planning takes place at the community, regional, and national levels, and is determined democratically with the input of workers, consumers, and the public to be served.

The rest of it is fine and utopian and all, but the right for people to earn a profit is a biggie, and if you take that right away, you have an oppressive, tyrannical system.

What If we had all the things in your paragraph above in our economic system, but people didn't have the right to own homes? That would be a biggie, even with all the blue sky utopian business above. It would be tyrannical.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:46 PM
Well I generally try to stand up to people because I don't want to feed into their delusions. I'm getting pretty sick and tired of the harassment. I started this thread to introduce myself and say hi to everyone and now he comes in and ruins it. I didn't start this thread to debate socialism. This place is supposed to be for intro's etc.


Ok asshat is an asshole. When I'm in a bad mood, I abuse him, like a cat, only he squeals louder, so it's more fun. Otherwise I ignore him. Don't let asshat bother you! He thinks he's run everyone off this board and that people are afraid of him, and everyone is a dumbass but he's a genius.

In other words, he's delusional. Seriously.

Beefy
12-20-2007, 06:46 PM
Gee it's pretty hard to be not senstive when I've been attacked since I've been here.

Well, you've primarily engaged with the most offensive poster here. Most of us are not this way. You should explore other threads.

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:47 PM
Well I guess you're ignoring what's going on in Venezuela than....


The rest of it is fine and utopian and all, but the right for people to earn a profit is a biggie, and if you take that right away, you have an oppressive, tyrannical system.

What If we had all the things in your paragraph above in our economic system, but people didn't have the right to own homes? That would be a biggie, even with all the blue sky utopian business above. It would be tyrannical.

Cancel7
12-20-2007, 06:48 PM
Well, you've primarily engaged with the most offensive poster here. Most of us are not this way. You should explore other threads.

I wouldn't call asshat the most offensive poster here, but he's in the top three.

Definitely I would agree about looking at other threads and bailing on asshat. He's a bad first experience. Pity the woman who lost her virginity to him, if one should exist.

Beefy
12-20-2007, 06:49 PM
Well I guess you're ignoring what's going on in Venezuela than....

Is Venezuela the model that you would like to see this country follow? If they are earning profits there, isn't that contrarian to the socialism you're currently espousing?

SouthernBelle82
12-20-2007, 06:53 PM
Well it's kinda hard when all my time is spent here. And in other threads I've gone to I've been labeled a "troll" and all that too and there's even a whole thread in current events dedicated to me and the only insult is that I'm a socialist.


Well, you've primarily engaged with the most offensive poster here. Most of us are not this way. You should explore other threads.