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Bill
07-26-2016, 10:32 PM
While many of the "Christian bosses" support him, is it because he is really a Christian or because he's playing a republican??

Legion Troll
07-27-2016, 08:31 AM
While many of the "Christian bosses" support him, is it because he is really a Christian or because he's playing a republican??




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10qbt0LHmvE


Fact checking Donald Trump has become a small industry this election cycle. How Trump deceives people of faith with falsehoods deserves especially close scrutiny.

In his speech accepting the Republican nomination, Trump promised to repeal “an amendment, pushed by Lyndon Johnson many years ago, threatens religious institutions with a loss of their tax-exempt status if they openly advocate their political views.”

No such law exists.

In full, Trump claimed that “our laws prevent you from speaking your minds from your own pulpits. An amendment, pushed by Lyndon Johnson many years ago, threatens religious institutions with a loss of their tax-exempt status if they openly advocate their political views. I am going to work very hard to repeal that language and protect free speech for all Americans. I think maybe that will be my greatest contribution to Christianity—and other religions—is to allow you, when you talk religious liberty, to go and speak openly…”

Again, no such law exists. The law Johnson sponsored says something quite different.

Trump has been getting these facts wrong since February—one of many examples of him repeating falsehoods to win votes from evangelicals whose leaders evidently have not fact checked Trump.

In a nearly two-hour talk in Texas, Trump boasted about the backing of pastors: “Paula White, Jerry Falwell —so many others,” and then called to the stage Pastor Robert Jeffress, who explained the reasons he wants evangelicals to support Trump and oppose Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders.

Incredibly, immediately after naming two ministers who endorsed him and praising Pastor Jeffress’s endorsement, Trump complained that Christian pastors were afraid to endorse him.

Trump then declared that “Christianity is under siege. Every year it gets weaker and weaker and weaker” so that ministers he’s met are afraid to endorse him.

He went on to say, “We don’t have a lobby because they are afraid, because they don’t want to lose their tax status. So I am going to work like hell to get rid of that prohibition and we are going to have the strongest Christian lobby and it’s going to happen. And it’s going to happen. This took place during the presidency of Lyndon Johnson and it has had a terrible, chilling effect.”

Let’s unpack that to get at the facts.

First, there is an American Christian Lobbying Association, and many Christian lobbyists in Washington and the state capitals.

Trump says he wants to create a powerful Christian lobby even as he promises to block Muslims from entering the country, including those serving in the armed forces. Trump may not know it, but that would violate the First Amendment, which ensures that each of us is free to worship or not as we choose. In this his proposals are quintessentially un-American.

Second, the law Trump referred to does not do what he says. It was enacted in 1954 when Senator (not President) Johnson proposed an amendment to a bill establishing an entirely new tax code. The Johnson amendment was so utterly without controversy that no debate took place in Congress. That law has been upheld by the United States Supreme Court.

Here’s what the Johnson amendment said: Religious organizations—which by definition include churches, synagogues and mosques—are free to declare their beliefs.

The law imposes only three limits on charities, including religious institutions, in return for the privilege of donors being allowed to deduct their contributions.

One is that any surplus—what in business would be a profit—cannot go to any individual or shareholder. Second, propaganda and influencing legislation are allowed, but only as a minor activity, the limits on which Congress adjusts from time to time.

The third and most important limit is that charitable organizations cannot “participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office.”

Note that the limit is not about political views, as Trump said, but about supporting candidates. Those are not synonymous, not even close.

Not incidentally, while Trump claims to be a Christian and made a show of attending Presbyterian services recently, he is not a member, according to the Presbyterian Church USA. Thus he cannot be disciplined by the church, who sent him a letter advising him that his statements contradict Christian theology.



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/27/donald-trump-s-big-lie-about-the-law-that-threatens-christians.html

christiefan915
08-05-2016, 07:00 PM
What, you never heard the Bible verse "Don't bend to envy"? :D

Bill
08-05-2016, 08:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10qbt0LHmvE


Fact checking Donald Trump has become a small industry this election cycle. How Trump deceives people of faith with falsehoods deserves especially close scrutiny.

In his speech accepting the Republican nomination, Trump promised to repeal “an amendment, pushed by Lyndon Johnson many years ago, threatens religious institutions with a loss of their tax-exempt status if they openly advocate their political views.”

No such law exists.

In full, Trump claimed that “our laws prevent you from speaking your minds from your own pulpits. An amendment, pushed by Lyndon Johnson many years ago, threatens religious institutions with a loss of their tax-exempt status if they openly advocate their political views. I am going to work very hard to repeal that language and protect free speech for all Americans. I think maybe that will be my greatest contribution to Christianity—and other religions—is to allow you, when you talk religious liberty, to go and speak openly…”

Again, no such law exists. The law Johnson sponsored says something quite different.

Trump has been getting these facts wrong since February—one of many examples of him repeating falsehoods to win votes from evangelicals whose leaders evidently have not fact checked Trump.

In a nearly two-hour talk in Texas, Trump boasted about the backing of pastors: “Paula White, Jerry Falwell —so many others,” and then called to the stage Pastor Robert Jeffress, who explained the reasons he wants evangelicals to support Trump and oppose Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders.

Incredibly, immediately after naming two ministers who endorsed him and praising Pastor Jeffress’s endorsement, Trump complained that Christian pastors were afraid to endorse him.

Trump then declared that “Christianity is under siege. Every year it gets weaker and weaker and weaker” so that ministers he’s met are afraid to endorse him.

He went on to say, “We don’t have a lobby because they are afraid, because they don’t want to lose their tax status. So I am going to work like hell to get rid of that prohibition and we are going to have the strongest Christian lobby and it’s going to happen. And it’s going to happen. This took place during the presidency of Lyndon Johnson and it has had a terrible, chilling effect.”

Let’s unpack that to get at the facts.

First, there is an American Christian Lobbying Association, and many Christian lobbyists in Washington and the state capitals.

Trump says he wants to create a powerful Christian lobby even as he promises to block Muslims from entering the country, including those serving in the armed forces. Trump may not know it, but that would violate the First Amendment, which ensures that each of us is free to worship or not as we choose. In this his proposals are quintessentially un-American.

Second, the law Trump referred to does not do what he says. It was enacted in 1954 when Senator (not President) Johnson proposed an amendment to a bill establishing an entirely new tax code. The Johnson amendment was so utterly without controversy that no debate took place in Congress. That law has been upheld by the United States Supreme Court.

Here’s what the Johnson amendment said: Religious organizations—which by definition include churches, synagogues and mosques—are free to declare their beliefs.

The law imposes only three limits on charities, including religious institutions, in return for the privilege of donors being allowed to deduct their contributions.

One is that any surplus—what in business would be a profit—cannot go to any individual or shareholder. Second, propaganda and influencing legislation are allowed, but only as a minor activity, the limits on which Congress adjusts from time to time.

The third and most important limit is that charitable organizations cannot “participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office.”

Note that the limit is not about political views, as Trump said, but about supporting candidates. Those are not synonymous, not even close.

Not incidentally, while Trump claims to be a Christian and made a show of attending Presbyterian services recently, he is not a member, according to the Presbyterian Church USA. Thus he cannot be disciplined by the church, who sent him a letter advising him that his statements contradict Christian theology.



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/27/donald-trump-s-big-lie-about-the-law-that-threatens-christians.html

You should make a thread on this & let everyone have a stab @ it..

How is poor brotha Don gonna feed his family??

Legion Troll
08-05-2016, 08:09 PM
How is poor brotha Don gonna feed his family?

With Trumptard campaign contributions.

Donald J. Trump regularly boasts that he is self-funding his presidential bid, but campaign finance filings show that he is also shifting plenty of money back to himself in the process.

According to documents submitted to the Federal Election Commission, Trump paid at least $1.1 million to his businesses and family members for expenses associated with events and travel costs. The total represents nearly a fifth of the $6 million that his campaign spent in the month.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/us/politics/donald-trump-self-funding-payments.html

Bill
08-05-2016, 08:56 PM
???What?? A small cost to pay to make America great "again"..