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Cypress
08-31-2006, 07:52 PM
MSNBC Online Poll, August 31:

Do you agree with President Bush when he likens the struggle against Islamic fundamentalism with the fight against Nazis and communists?

- Yes. Bin Laden and others are the Hitlers and Stalins of our times.


- No. This is just dishonest, warmongering designed to scare voters about national security in time for this fall's elections.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14602723/

krisy
09-01-2006, 11:52 AM
Ummmm,this IS MSNBC you know. Home of Keith Oberman. Did you expect a poll that wasn't worded by an anti war protestor,or just an ass clown? :gives:

Cypress
09-01-2006, 12:00 PM
Ummmm,this IS MSNBC you know. Home of Keith Oberman. Did you expect a poll that wasn't worded by an anti war protestor,or just an ass clown? :gives:

mmmm,this IS MSNBC you know. Home of Keith Oberman.

Blinded by your partisan glasses again?

*Facts on MSNBC:

-Owner: General Electric, one of the world's largest Defense Contractors

-Prime Time Cable Talkshows: Scarborough Country (conservative repubican), Tucker Carlson (Conservative Republican), Don Imus (conservative-leaning independent), Rita Cosby (former UN-bashing Fox News host)

-Former MSNBC shows: Michael Savage (rightwing lunatic), Jerry Nachman (conservative)

Sir Evil
09-01-2006, 12:08 PM
Blinded by your partisan glasses again?


:lolup: :lolup:

mudflap, you are a complete tool, not to metnion the ultimate shitbrick to this board!

Krisy, why even respond to this sack of dung?

krisy
09-01-2006, 12:20 PM
mmmm,this IS MSNBC you know. Home of Keith Oberman.

Blinded by your partisan glasses again?

*Facts on MSNBC:

-Owner: General Electric, one of the world's largest Defense Contractors

-Prime Time Cable Talkshows: Scarborough Country (conservative repubican), Tucker Carlson (Conservative Republican), Don Imus (conservative-leaning independent), Rita Cosby (former UN-bashing Fox News host)

-Former MSNBC shows: Michael Savage (rightwing lunatic), Jerry Nachman (conservative)


My gosh,just because I don't like them means I'm horribly partisan. Your not?!!!!!! The channel is awful. I even saw their head on Neil Cavuto a while back,and he admitted they are trying to be more like FOX. They need the ratings. Their everyday reporting has left wing bias. Just because they have some right wing hosts, doesn't mean their writers aren't left wing. All that aside,they just aren't any good.

You sure seem to like them a lot for having so many right wingers on the channel

Jarod
09-01-2006, 12:22 PM
Okay how would you phrase the question... because that sounds exactly how Bush has presented it to the nation.....


Whats wrong withthe wording, or do you just perfer to call it biased without discussing why?>

Cypress
09-01-2006, 12:24 PM
My gosh,just because I don't like them means I'm horribly partisan. Your not?!!!!!! The channel is awful. I even saw their head on Neil Cavuto a while back,and he admitted they are trying to be more like FOX. They need the ratings. Their everyday reporting has left wing bias. Just because they have some right wing hosts, doesn't mean their writers aren't left wing. All that aside,they just aren't any good.

You sure seem to like them a lot for having so many right wingers on the channel

Lying isn't very christian of you krissy.

Here, you're trying to claim that you simply don't "like" them. That you didn't hammer MSNBC as partisan "libs".

But, your first post, clearly pegged them (in your mind) as partisan libs:

Ummmm,this IS MSNBC you know. Home of Keith Oberman. Did you expect a poll that wasn't worded by an anti war protestor,or just an ass clown?

Cypress
09-01-2006, 12:31 PM
OK, I take it back and apologize krisy. that was an unneccessary flame.

The point is, you "think" MSNBC is "liberal", when in fact the actual evidence shows its not. Their network is dominated by rightwing pundits. And they are owned by a giant Defense contractor.

krisy
09-01-2006, 01:02 PM
OK, I take it back and apologize krisy. that was an unneccessary flame.

The point is, you "think" MSNBC is "liberal", when in fact the actual evidence shows its not. Their network is dominated by rightwing pundits. And they are owned by a giant Defense contractor.

No apology needed,cypress,but I appreciate it. :)

I guess it would have been better said this way.

I do think they are partisan. But,that isn't the only reason why I don't like them. It is a factor tho. I just think their shows are awful. I like ol Tucker all right,but the show isn't too hot IMO. And Keith Oberman,I think you know what I think of him from another thread. Scarborough is good and I liked Rita Cosby herself,but am not too crazy about her show either.

ANd Chris "hardball" Mathews is a pain in my ass!!! I don't care which side he is on,he annoys me with all his yelling

uscitizen
09-01-2006, 01:15 PM
cypress perhaps she was comparing it to Fox ;)
I think it would appear very liberal in that case.

Cypress
09-01-2006, 01:18 PM
No apology needed,cypress,but I appreciate it. :)

I guess it would have been better said this way.

I do think they are partisan. But,that isn't the only reason why I don't like them. It is a factor tho. I just think their shows are awful. I like ol Tucker all right,but the show isn't too hot IMO. And Keith Oberman,I think you know what I think of him from another thread. Scarborough is good and I liked Rita Cosby herself,but am not too crazy about her show either.

ANd Chris "hardball" Mathews is a pain in my ass!!! I don't care which side he is on,he annoys me with all his yelling

I think all the cable news networks suck.

Its all punditry, and fake tabloid "news", pratically 24/7.

I hate to say this, since you probably hate them, but the only "real" news out there is BBC international. They do hardcore international news reporting - no Duke rape cases, no britany spears, no missing blonde chicks in Aruba.

uscitizen
09-01-2006, 01:38 PM
And not really opinions on BBC News just the facts.

the local news. " A tragic accident struck a local family today when their daughter was killed in a car crash on our overcrowded freeway, we don't know yet if drugs or alchol was involved" .
BBC would say a 19 yr old girl was killed in an accident on the expressway today.

klaatu
09-01-2006, 01:40 PM
mmmm,this IS MSNBC you know. Home of Keith Oberman.

Blinded by your partisan glasses again?

*Facts on MSNBC:

-Owner: General Electric, one of the world's largest Defense Contractors

-Prime Time Cable Talkshows: Scarborough Country (conservative repubican), Tucker Carlson (Conservative Republican), Don Imus (conservative-leaning independent), Rita Cosby (former UN-bashing Fox News host)

-Former MSNBC shows: Michael Savage (rightwing lunatic), Jerry Nachman (conservative)


Acutally .. MSNBC has grown on me .. I actually prefer it to all other Cable News Networks ... Scarborough, Tucker and Matthews have the 3 best Cable News Talk Shows around.

By the way .. I thought Tucker Carlson was a Libertarian ... or maybe he is more of a Buckley Conservative .. a Conservative with Libertarian Leanings ...

Cypress
09-01-2006, 01:40 PM
And not really opinions on BBC News just the facts.

the local news. " A tragic accident struck a local family today when their daughter was killed in a car crash on our overcrowded freeway, we don't know yet if drugs or alchol was involved" .
BBC would say a 19 yr old girl was killed in an accident on the expressway today.

They really put our cable "news" shows to shame.

Real hardcore news. No fluff or tabloid shit.

Cypress
09-01-2006, 01:42 PM
Acutally .. MSNBC has grown on me .. I actually prefer it to all other Cable News Networks ... Scarborough, Tucker and Matthews have the 3 best Cable News Talk Shows around.

By the way .. I thought Tucker Carlson was a Libertarian ... or maybe he is more of a Buckley Conservative .. a Conservative with Libertarian Leanings ...


I watch scarborough and carlson. They're pretty good. I like both guys.

But, they've gone way too much towards the tabloid news business, recently.

Blackflag
09-01-2006, 01:43 PM
By the way .. I thought Tucker Carlson was a Libertarian ... or maybe he is more of a Buckley Conservative .. a Conservative with Libertarian Leanings ...


Well he is definitely not a social con. He appears regularly on the Bubba the Love Sponge radio show.

krisy
09-01-2006, 01:44 PM
I think all the cable news networks suck.

Its all punditry, and fake tabloid "news", pratically 24/7.

I hate to say this, since you probably hate them, but the only "real" news out there is BBC international. They do hardcore international news reporting - no Duke rape cases, no britany spears, no missing blonde chicks in Aruba.


I don't agree on the BBC...horribly biased. I will agree that ALL cable news can get way to tabloidy(not a word,I know). I will give in a little and say that Greta Van Sustern has the potential to be a good serious reporter,but really should be working for Inside Edition or something like that. Chandra Levy,Natalie Holloway....this stuff got to be so repeditive and ridiculous. ALl the networks were completely overboard on these and many other stories. You know,kids and adults go missing everyday,why did the media pick up on these? O.K. Chandra Levy was half poltical scandal,but like Lacie Peterson(RIP),why did they pick up on that one like flies on sh*t?

When I turn on the news,I want to hear about the world. About internal happenings in our country,politics,what's going on in Iraq.
SOme baseball is good too:)

klaatu
09-01-2006, 01:45 PM
To say I watch the BBC for real news is liken to ...I prefer "Foriegn Movies" or I prefer the game of real "Football" or I prefer "French Wine and Brie" over the crap that comes out of Napa Valley ...

In other words.. I hate all things American ....

I say to this phoney liberal elitism ... kiss it where the sun dont shine ....

uscitizen
09-01-2006, 01:50 PM
And CBS now has Katy Couric as their head news person. anyone care to guess which direction they are heading ?

Blackflag
09-01-2006, 01:50 PM
Lol you are an idiot. Just because you enjoy really good foreign movies doesn't mean you hate all things America.

diaf

klaatu
09-01-2006, 01:55 PM
Lol you are an idiot. Just because you enjoy really good foreign movies doesn't mean you hate all things America.

diaf

;)

Cypress
09-01-2006, 01:56 PM
To say I watch the BBC for real news is liken to ...I prefer "Foriegn Movies" or I prefer the game of real "Football" or I prefer "French Wine and Brie" over the crap that comes out of Napa Valley ...

In other words.. I hate all things American ....

I say to this phoney liberal elitism ... kiss it where the sun dont shine ....

I was better informed about Iraq, WMD, and the middle east in 2003 from BBC than I ever possibly could have been from watching Fox News or MSNBC.

I actually knew, that the evidence for WMD and imminent threats were possibly exaggerated and dubious, long before the Chimp launched the first wave of the invasion. Again, because of BBC and other independent sources. Not because of MSNBC and Fox.

I definetly knew there was something very fishy about the claims about aluminum tubes and collaborative links to al qaeda, from BBC.

I knew about the Shias and Sunnis, and the potential problems that would greet our occupation, long before bush landed on that aircraft carrier.

And I was called a 'traitor" in 2003, for even mentioning these things.

I'd say, as an ameircan citizen, I was better informed to participate in our democracy thanks to BBC and other independent media. And I would have been poorly served by Fox and the other american cable news channels.

That speaks volumes about the ability or desire of our media to inform out citizenry.

uscitizen
09-01-2006, 01:59 PM
Well he is definitely not a social con. He appears regularly on the Bubba the Love Sponge radio show.

Bubba has not died of terminal sleeziness yet BF ? wow, I am amazed.

IHateGovernment
09-01-2006, 02:03 PM
All news is biased. Read or listen to at least three varied news sources to get a good picture.

IHateGovernment
09-01-2006, 02:04 PM
I have also never read a news publication or listened to a news broadcast that didn't immeidately become clear to me to have a certain political leaning.

uscitizen
09-01-2006, 02:06 PM
To say I watch the BBC for real news is liken to ...I prefer "Foriegn Movies" or I prefer the game of real "Football" or I prefer "French Wine and Brie" over the crap that comes out of Napa Valley ...

In other words.. I hate all things American ....

I say to this phoney liberal elitism ... kiss it where the sun dont shine ....

LOL, I know that is not targeting this ol hillbilly :)
You guys keep that bitter wine and slimey fish eggs and such...
Been to france once, those guys worry more about how the little bits of food look than how they taste. The skimpy protions would starve a mouse to death. foreign film ? Why ? I can barely speak english. Well Hillphonics.

Cypress
09-01-2006, 02:10 PM
All news is biased. Read or listen to at least three varied news sources to get a good picture.

agreed.

And its critically important to not rely on primarily on one, single corporate-owned media source. Like Fox, or MSNBC or CBS.

I believe I was much better informed about iraq, wmd, and the situation that would confront us in iraq, by reading a variety of independent media, international sources, and american sources.

IHateGovernment
09-01-2006, 02:13 PM
Americans have the best of some things. Other things not so much.

America has the best military

Best car companies not really.

America has the best system of government

Best President not really.

IHateGovernment
09-01-2006, 02:14 PM
As far as what it being produced right now though I think foreign movies are better though. South Korea is really producing some good quality films right now in comparison to the garbage that is coming out of Hollywood.

You wouldn't see a movie like Snakes on a Plane there.

Damocles
09-01-2006, 02:15 PM
Even if a news source isn't Corporate Owned doesn't necessarily make it so it isn't biased. It's ridiculous to keep pointing that out like it makes it moreso than Government Owned news sites.

Take everything with a grain of salt, read between the lines, think and learn. There is no need to tell me that Fox News is biased. I can listen and figure that out myself.

Damocles
09-01-2006, 02:16 PM
As far as what it being produced right now though I think foreign movies are better though. South Korea is really producing some good quality films right now in comparison to the garbage that is coming out of Hollywood.

You wouldn't see a movie like Snakes on a Plane there.
hey! Snakes on a Plane had a heavy cult following long before it ever came out. They were going to change the name of the flick and the "outrage" from these nutjobs was huge...

I can't believe that Jackson would lend his image to this flick...

IHateGovernment
09-01-2006, 02:17 PM
Agreed government run or even totally independent news is still biased.

Anyone who thinks NPR doesn't have a liberal slant is kidding themselves.

IHateGovernment
09-01-2006, 02:18 PM
Jackson has done some real dogs lately. Does he need money that bad?

klaatu
09-01-2006, 03:03 PM
As far as what it being produced right now though I think foreign movies are better though. South Korea is really producing some good quality films right now in comparison to the garbage that is coming out of Hollywood.

You wouldn't see a movie like Snakes on a Plane there.

I wouldnt see it here either.... ! ;) Thats the beauty of American Film.. not all movies come out of Hollywood ... for every "Snakes on a Plane" there is an "American Beauty" or a "Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe" .... pick your poison ... :clink:

Damocles
09-01-2006, 03:04 PM
I like "The Ninth Gate", but I'm likely to be the only one to mention it....

;)

BRUTALITOPS
09-02-2006, 11:34 AM
mmmm,this IS MSNBC you know. Home of Keith Oberman.

Blinded by your partisan glasses again?

*Facts on MSNBC:

-Owner: General Electric, one of the world's largest Defense Contractors



Are you saying that by being a defense contractor you cannot be a liberal?

Tucker Carlson (Conservative Republican),

more of a libertarian and was against the iraq war.

Don Imus (conservative-leaning independent),

voted for kerry.

-Former MSNBC shows: Michael Savage (rightwing lunatic),

was fired by msnbc.

evince
09-02-2006, 11:46 AM
Savage was hired by MSNBC president Erik Sorenson to do a one-hour show starting March 8, 2003, despite previous disparaging references to the network in his book The Savage Nation, where he calls it "More Snotty Nonsense By Creeps" and calls anchor Ashleigh Banfield "the mind-slut with a big pair of glasses that they sent to Afghanistan...She looks like she went from porno into reporting." [10] Reportedly, NBC anchor Tom Brokaw objected to hiring Savage, asking NBC executives, "Is this the sort of man who embodies the values of NBC?"[8]

On July 7, a mere four months later, he was fired for making homophobic remarks in response to a caller, later identified as prank caller Bob Foster. Savage was doing an "Airline Horror Stories" piece, when Foster called in to his show to talk about undercover security guards smoking in the bathroom. His next words were, "half hour into the flight, I need to suggest that Don and Mike should take your show so you can go to the dentist because your teeth are really bad". The words after "should" were bleeped out by an MSNBC executive. Savage then asked if Foster was a "sodomite", to which the caller answered "yes". Savage then said to the caller: "Oh, so you're one of those sodomites. You should only get AIDS and die, you pig, how's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig. You got nothing better to do than to put me down, you piece of garbage, you got nothing better to do today, go eat a sausage and choke on it. Get trichinosis. Now do we have another nice caller here who's busy because he didn't have a nice night in the bathhouse who's angry at me today? Put another, put another sodomite on....no more calls? I don't care about these bums, they mean nothing to me. They're all sausages". [11] The show then cut to a video of two people grilling sausages to the tune of "The Marines' Hymn".[8] In his own defense, Savage later stated on his radio show that he believed he was off the air during the entire conversation with the hoax caller and had been tricked by employees of the network, who he claimed set him up.

Cypress
09-02-2006, 12:03 PM
Are you saying that by being a defense contractor you cannot be a liberal?

Tucker Carlson (Conservative Republican),

more of a libertarian and was against the iraq war.

Don Imus (conservative-leaning independent),

voted for kerry.

-Former MSNBC shows: Michael Savage (rightwing lunatic),

was fired by msnbc.

Take off your tap dancing shoes grind:

-General Electric: 64% of PAC contributions go the Republicans Party

http://www.politicalmoneyline.com/cgi-win/x_pac_tops_all.exe?DoFn=&sYR=2006

-Tucker Carlson: Self-admitted republican. Not a liberal. Who cares if he was "against" the war. So were other republicans. That doesn't make him a liberal.

-Imus: Independent who voted against Bush. BFD. That doesn't make him a "liberal". He's a conservtive-leaning independent who hated Clinton and Gore. The point of the thread was that Krissy said MSNBC was dominated by liberals. She was wrong, and you evidently didn't read the thread.

-Savage: fired for making obscene remarks. BFD. What "liberal" network would even consider hiring him. And MSNBC's only true "liberal" talking head show was fired too - Donahue.


This is pathetic grind. You didn't even read the thread. MSNBC is NOT liberal, and you didn't even address that, let alone disprove it.

evince
09-02-2006, 12:13 PM
Tucker was for the war Until the war was an obvious failure

evince
09-02-2006, 12:15 PM
-Savage: fired for making obscene remarks. BFD. What "liberal" network would even consider hiring him. And MSNBC's only true "liberal" talking head show was fired too - Donahue.


They Fired Donahue right before the war when his show was top in ratings and growing

evince
09-02-2006, 12:16 PM
-Imus: Independent who voted against Bush. BFD. That doesn't make him a "liberal". He's a conservtive-leaning independent who hated Clinton and Gore. The point of the thread was that Krissy said MSNBC was dominated by liberals. She was wrong, and you evidently didn't read the thread.


This guy CHEERED the war in the lead up.

krisy
09-02-2006, 07:17 PM
Take off your tap dancing shoes grind:

-General Electric: 64% of PAC contributions go the Republicans Party

http://www.politicalmoneyline.com/cgi-win/x_pac_tops_all.exe?DoFn=&sYR=2006

-Tucker Carlson: Self-admitted republican. Not a liberal. Who cares if he was "against" the war. So were other republicans. That doesn't make him a liberal.

-Imus: Independent who voted against Bush. BFD. That doesn't make him a "liberal". He's a conservtive-leaning independent who hated Clinton and Gore. The point of the thread was that Krissy said MSNBC was dominated by liberals. She was wrong, and you evidently didn't read the thread.

-Savage: fired for making obscene remarks. BFD. What "liberal" network would even consider hiring him. And MSNBC's only true "liberal" talking head show was fired too - Donahue.


This is pathetic grind. You didn't even read the thread. MSNBC is NOT liberal, and you didn't even address that, let alone disprove it.


Uh,actually,Krisy didn't say that they were dominated by Liberals. I said they had a bias,and even tho they have some right wingers hosting shows,it doesn't mean their writers aren't left wing

OrnotBitwise
09-02-2006, 08:39 PM
Uh,actually,Krisy didn't say that they were dominated by Liberals. I said they had a bias,and even tho they have some right wingers hosting shows,it doesn't mean their writers aren't left wing
On the other hand, the writers and journalists don't determine the content of the broadcast. That's the purview of the editorial staff.