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christiefan915
01-31-2016, 02:58 PM
The author makes some great points. Speech isn't necessarily free at con institutes of learning. Some clips from the article...

Political correctness may run amok at liberal colleges, but what about Christian correctness at conservative colleges?

Trigger warnings, safe spaces, micro-aggressions — over the past year or so, pundits, politicians and other serious people had a lot of fun bemoaning academia as a liberal la-la land where hands are held and minds are coddled...

Attacks on “political correctness” champion educational values: the importance of grappling with challenging ideas and texts, mixing it up with different kinds of people, expanding your worldview, facing uncomfortable facts. How will students grow into strong, independent adults in a tough and complex world if they’ve spent four years lying on a mental fainting couch? Good question. There’s a whole swath of academia, though, that gets left out of the discussion, despite the fact that its restrictions on speech and behavior, on what is taught in the classroom or argued in a lecture series, would make Yale and Northwestern and the rest look like New Orleans during Mardi Gras.

I’m referring, of course, to evangelical and Catholic colleges. Some of these have no compunction about limiting freedoms that other colleges consider just a part of normal life. Many have strictures on dress (“no more than two piercings in an earlobe are allowed” for women at Pensacola Christian College), on dating and social life, even on how faculty members conduct themselves in their own homes...

Students have been expelled for being LGBT; professors have been fired or forced to resign for coming out as transgender, for getting pregnant outside marriage or for getting divorced. According to a report by the Human Rights Campaign, there was a sharp uptick last year in the number of schools that requested and received exemptions to Title IX, the federal law prohibiting sex discrimination. From 2013 to 2015, 35 schools obtained waivers from the U.S. Department of Education that would allow them to discriminate against students and faculty who are LGBT, female or pregnant.

Religious colleges also have plenty of restrictions on intellectual inquiry and debate, as well as on political associations. Student clubs for nonbelievers can be restricted: The University of Dayton, Notre Dame and Baylor, all religious schools, refused requests to recognize atheist or humanist student organizations. In 2009, Liberty University even banned the student Democratic club. (University president Jerry Falwell Jr. recently made headlines for calling on students to “end those Muslims” by carrying concealed weapons.)

Conservatives stood up for free speech at Yale in 2015 when students protested a lecture invitation to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a critic of Islam, from the conservative William F. Buckley Jr. Program speaker series. I agreed with conservatives on this one — but where are they when the shoe is on the other foot? Catholic colleges, for example, will not invite supporters of abortion rights: The Catholic University of America even banned the actor Stanley Tucci from speaking on Italian cinema because of his support for Planned Parenthood...

When it comes to academic content, it’s hard to argue that a college that makes faculty adhere to Christian fundamentalist tenets, or that refuses to let its students engage with pro-choice speakers even when they’re talking on another subject, is providing an intellectual toolbox for the modern world...

If students are being denied a broad, mind-stretching education at universities often considered among the best in the world, what about the biased, blinkered, partial education that students are receiving at religious colleges? What about the assumption that no changing of the mind shall be permitted? Isn’t education supposed to challenge one’s settled beliefs?

And with Title IX exemptions in hand, colleges are free to ban and expel LGBT students, discriminate against women, use the Bible as a science text and fire professors who disagree — without putting their federal funding at risk. The truth-in-advertising principle may protect the right of private colleges to do this. But the last time I looked, separation of church and state was still in the Bill of Rights.

(Article here) (http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2016/01/31/Where-free-speech-goes-nbsp-to-die/stories/201601310180)

Celticguy
01-31-2016, 03:18 PM
The author specifically notes that the schools on question are christian institutions then attempts to move the goal posts by transforming them into conservative ones.
It is hardly surprising that christian schools will adhere to their tenants. Its kinda what makes them christian schools.

christiefan915
01-31-2016, 03:39 PM
The author specifically notes that the schools on question are christian institutions then attempts to move the goal posts by transforming them into conservative ones.
It is hardly surprising that christian schools will adhere to their tenants. Its kinda what makes them christian schools.

I don't know of any liberal Christian schools, do you? And your second comment is exactly the point, that those schools are not allowing free speech because of all their prohibitions.

USFREEDOM911
01-31-2016, 03:50 PM
I don't know of any liberal Christian schools, do you? And your second comment is exactly the point, that those schools are not allowing free speech because of all their prohibitions.

Your analogy is as foolish, as someone buying a ticket to Shrek 3 and expecting to see Star Wars 7; ie.: it's a failure and has no standing. :palm:

Celticguy
01-31-2016, 05:02 PM
I don't know of any liberal Christian schools, do you? And your second comment is exactly the point, that those schools are not allowing free speech because of all their prohibitions.
Christian schools are neither conservative nor liberal. They are christian.
Do they make it clear they are christian schools ? Is there any expectation of what you think there should be ? By the way being lgbteieio has nothing to do with speech. Free or otherwise.

christiefan915
01-31-2016, 06:38 PM
Christian schools are neither conservative nor liberal. They are christian.
Do they make it clear they are christian schools ? Is there any expectation of what you think there should be ? By the way being lgbteieio has nothing to do with speech. Free or otherwise.

The author named Christian schools with conservative policies. He pointed out the areas in which free speech isn't allowed... the kind of speech that liberal schools permit. It's all in the article.

"Religious colleges also have plenty of restrictions on intellectual inquiry and debate, as well as on political associations. Student clubs for nonbelievers can be restricted: The University of Dayton, Notre Dame and Baylor, all religious schools, refused requests to recognize atheist or humanist student organizations. In 2009, Liberty University even banned the student Democratic club. (University president Jerry Falwell Jr. recently made headlines for calling on students to “end those Muslims” by carrying concealed weapons.)"

Celticguy
01-31-2016, 07:07 PM
The author named Christian schools with conservative policies. He pointed out the areas in which free speech isn't allowed... the kind of speech that liberal schools permit. It's all in the article.

"Religious colleges also have plenty of restrictions on intellectual inquiry and debate, as well as on political associations. Student clubs for nonbelievers can be restricted: The University of Dayton, Notre Dame and Baylor, all religious schools, refused requests to recognize atheist or humanist student organizations. In 2009, Liberty University even banned the student Democratic club. (University president Jerry Falwell Jr. recently made headlines for calling on students to “end those Muslims” by carrying concealed weapons.)"
And ?
Why would a christian school have an atheist anything ? Why would a christian school have need of anything in direct violation of the tenants of their faith ? Theyre not attempting to be inclusive they are specifically being exclusive.
Would a jew go to a muslim school ? Would it admit one ? You're being silly, knock it off.

USFREEDOM911
01-31-2016, 07:13 PM
And ?
Why would a christian school have an atheist anything ? Why would a christian school have need of anything in direct violation of the tenants of their faith ? Theyre not attempting to be inclusive they are specifically being exclusive.
Would a jew go to a muslim school ? Would it admit one ? You're being silly, knock it off.

No - no, she really means it.
She truly believes that everyone should have to accommodate everybody else; except for Islamists and they can just act the way the want, with no repercussions.

christiefan915
01-31-2016, 07:16 PM
And ?
Why would a christian school have an atheist anything ? Why would a christian school have need of anything in direct violation of the tenants of their faith ? Theyre not attempting to be inclusive they are specifically being exclusive.
Would a jew go to a muslim school ? Would it admit one ? You're being silly, knock it off.

Why wouldn't a school want to let its students explore all information and views that they're going to encounter throughout life? How is learning about other religions or no religion at all a violation of faith?

We all study things in school which we may not approve of or be particularly interested in but it still contributes to our overall knowledge. Knowledge is power.

christiefan915
01-31-2016, 07:16 PM
Note to self: ban freedumb from future threads.

USFREEDOM911
01-31-2016, 07:23 PM
Note to self: ban freedumb from future threads.

Note to self: Treat Christie as if she's a 5 year old child, otherwise she'll cry, take her ball, and run away. :D

Damocles
01-31-2016, 07:46 PM
He ends with nonsense. Private colleges are not the state.

christiefan915
01-31-2016, 07:57 PM
He ends with nonsense. Private colleges are not the state.

That wasn't the point of the article.

leaningright
01-31-2016, 09:07 PM
Yeah, well, they are "Christian" schools. I definitely keep my kid from doing and experiencing many things. He has restrictions on what he wears, watches and listens to. Mine is a Christian household. I wouldn't expect any less from so called "Christian" schools.

Damocles
01-31-2016, 09:22 PM
That wasn't the point of the article.

It was the conclusion of the OP, and my post was a simple identification of a fallacy in the post.

christiefan915
02-01-2016, 04:22 PM
Yeah, well, they are "Christian" schools. I definitely keep my kid from doing and experiencing many things. He has restrictions on what he wears, watches and listens to. Mine is a Christian household. I wouldn't expect any less from so called "Christian" schools.

Again that's not the point. When any institution does these things I don't consider them as acting according to Christ's teachings. It's a lot different from how you run your Christian household.

"Students have been expelled for being LGBT; professors have been fired or forced to resign for coming out as transgender; for getting pregnant outside marriage or for getting divorced; discriminating against students and faculty who are LGBT, female or pregnant; calling on students to “end those Muslims” by carrying concealed weapons discriminate against women; use the Bible as a science text and fire professors who disagree."

Celticguy
02-01-2016, 05:58 PM
Why wouldn't a school want to let its students explore all information and views that they're going to encounter throughout life? How is learning about other religions or no religion at all a violation of faith?

We all study things in school which we may not approve of or be particularly interested in but it still contributes to our overall knowledge. Knowledge is power.

Because the school is serving a market that has established this. If someone were unsettled in their faith a Christian school would be a poor choice.

Celticguy
02-01-2016, 06:03 PM
Again that's not the point. When any institution does these things I don't consider them as acting according to Christ's teachings. It's a lot different from how you run your Christian household.

"Students have been expelled for being LGBT; professors have been fired or forced to resign for coming out as transgender; for getting pregnant outside marriage or for getting divorced; discriminating against students and faculty who are LGBT, female or pregnant; calling on students to “end those Muslims” by carrying concealed weapons discriminate against women; use the Bible as a science text and fire professors who disagree."

Well its obvious that those who choose these schools disagree. And they can support that in scripture.

christiefan915
02-01-2016, 06:24 PM
Well its obvious that those who choose these schools disagree. And they can support that in scripture.

Lol. Ending Muslims by concealed carry is not in scripture.

Celticguy
02-01-2016, 06:34 PM
Lol. Ending Muslims by concealed carry is not in scripture.

You might be surprised. Onward Christian soldiers...

leaningright
02-01-2016, 08:02 PM
Again that's not the point. When any institution does these things I don't consider them as acting according to Christ's teachings. It's a lot different from how you run your Christian household.

"Students have been expelled for being LGBT; professors have been fired or forced to resign for coming out as transgender; for getting pregnant outside marriage or for getting divorced; discriminating against students and faculty who are LGBT, female or pregnant; calling on students to “end those Muslims” by carrying concealed weapons discriminate against women; use the Bible as a science text and fire professors who disagree."

I'll get raked over the coals for this but I can see the bolded part and don't necessarily disagree with it, nor do I feel it is that out of line with the teachings of Christ. I would not expect any of that to be tolerated at a "Christian" school. I would have to question the validity of the stuff that follows...especially about the Muslims. The line about women probably stems from the belief of some Christians that women are not to usurp authority over a man. Using the Bible as a science text probably is talking about teaching Creationism...but I would expect that at a "Christian" school, wouldn't you?

christiefan915
02-01-2016, 08:31 PM
I'll get raked over the coals for this but I can see the bolded part and don't necessarily disagree with it, nor do I feel it is that out of line with the teachings of Christ. I would not expect any of that to be tolerated at a "Christian" school. I would have to question the validity of the stuff that follows...especially about the Muslims. The line about women probably stems from the belief of some Christians that women are not to usurp authority over a man. Using the Bible as a science text probably is talking about teaching Creationism...but I would expect that at a "Christian" school, wouldn't you?

Jesus would accept those people in the bolded part. It doesn't mean he wouldn't preach to them but he wouldn't hate them.

Falwell Jr. made his comments after the San Bernardino shootings.

The president of Liberty University urged students at the Christian school to carry concealed weapons on campus to counter any possible armed attack like the mass killings in San Bernardino, Calif.
"Let's teach them a lesson if they ever show up here," President Jerry Falwell Jr. told students at a convocation Friday.

"I've always thought if more good people had concealed carry permits, then we could end those Muslims before they walked in," Falwell said.

christiefan915
02-01-2016, 08:38 PM
Falwell Jr. also said student Democrats couldn't tie their organization to Liberty University. Read the comment below from the email. The Democratic party is about so much more than abortion or gay marriage. And Liberty also implied that Democrats were socialists, another falsehood.

"It was the fall of 2008, and Liberty University suddenly found itself dealing with a problem it had never before encountered in its more than 40-year history: College Democrats.

The largest evangelical Christian university in the world, whose doctrinal statement (https://web.archive.org/web/20150415173915/http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=6909) at the time declared its “strong commitment to political conservatism, total rejection of socialism and firm support for America’s economic system of free enterprise,” had never had a chapter of the student organization on its campus.

For a while, the newly formed group went about its business as College Dems at any other school would. They held meetings and drank too much coffee and campaigned aggressively for Barack Obama. But the following spring, the club’s leadership received an e-mail (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/22/AR2009052202189.html) from the vice president of student affairs: “I must inform you that the College Democrats club is no longer going to be recognized as a Liberty University club,” it read. “We are unable to lend support to a club whose parent organization stands against the moral principles held by Liberty University.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/07/why-liberty-university-is-requiring-its-students-to-attend-a-bernie-sanders-speech/

leaningright
02-01-2016, 08:44 PM
Jesus would accept those people in the bolded part. It doesn't mean he wouldn't preach to them but he wouldn't hate them.

I absolutely agree with this but I don't think He would hire them to teach at His school.


Falwell Jr. made his comments after the San Bernardino shootings.

The president of Liberty University urged students at the Christian school to carry concealed weapons on campus to counter any possible armed attack like the mass killings in San Bernardino, Calif.
"Let's teach them a lesson if they ever show up here," President Jerry Falwell Jr. told students at a convocation Friday.

"I've always thought if more good people had concealed carry permits, then we could end those Muslims before they walked in," Falwell said.

Well, Falwell is an idiot so ... there's that. I don't want him teaching my kid either.

I looked at that article (I read it the other day) as using quotes from an idiot like Falwell to take shots at "Christian" universities for taking legitimate "Christian" positions with regards to faculty and student body.

Celticguy
02-02-2016, 07:05 AM
Jesus would accept those people in the bolded part. It doesn't mean he wouldn't preach to them but he wouldn't hate them.

Falwell Jr. made his comments after the San Bernardino shootings.

The president of Liberty University urged students at the Christian school to carry concealed weapons on campus to counter any possible armed attack like the mass killings in San Bernardino, Calif.
"Let's teach them a lesson if they ever show up here," President Jerry Falwell Jr. told students at a convocation Friday.

"I've always thought if more good people had concealed carry permits, then we could end those Muslims before they walked in," Falwell said.

Jesus would forgive their sins and tell them to sin no more. But they generally don't see it as sinning and don't seek forgiveness.

Norah
02-02-2016, 05:32 PM
I go to a Christian university. When I applied and enrolled I knew exactly what it meant to be a student here and so do all of the other students that enroll here, otherwise they wouldn't have applied. It's a choice to apply and then enroll in the college that you choose, especially private Christian universities where you know it's different than a public state school.

christiefan915
02-02-2016, 05:41 PM
I go to a Christian university. When I applied and enrolled I knew exactly what it meant to be a student here and so do all of the other students that enroll here, otherwise they wouldn't have applied. It's a choice to apply and then enroll in the college that you choose, especially private Christian universities where you know it's different than a public state school.

Hi Norah, I like your new name!

Do you think it's fair to scrutinize and comment on liberal institutions but not conservative ones?

Celticguy
02-02-2016, 06:47 PM
Hi Norah, I like your new name!

Do you think it's fair to scrutinize and comment on liberal institutions but not conservative ones?
Christian ones. It's a vital difference.

christiefan915
02-02-2016, 07:13 PM
Christian ones. It's a vital difference.

Same question applies.

Celticguy
02-02-2016, 07:30 PM
Same question applies.
well, your question involves wondering why a christian school is not behaving as a non christian school might.

sure you can ask the question but the answer is pretty obvious.

as Miss Norah pointed out, she specifically wanted a christian school because, among other reasons pertaining to her educational goals, budget etc etc etc, because it did behave in the ways you note.

if you wanted to pursue a career in, say, hard science you would gravitate to an MIT sort of place as opposed to a liberal arts one (liberal arts meant as per the original meaning).

christiefan915
02-02-2016, 07:49 PM
well, your question involves wondering why a christian school is not behaving as a non christian school might.

sure you can ask the question but the answer is pretty obvious.

as Miss Norah pointed out, she specifically wanted a christian school because, among other reasons pertaining to her educational goals, budget etc etc etc, because it did behave in the ways you note.

if you wanted to pursue a career in, say, hard science you would gravitate to an MIT sort of place as opposed to a liberal arts one (liberal arts meant as per the original meaning).

My point is that if it's fair for some to think of liberal institutions as being amoral hotbeds of communism and lack of scruples, it's also fair for others to think of Christian or conservative institutions as being rigid, controlling and biased.

I don't hold it against people who go to Christian schools or liberal schools. It's a matter of choice.

Celticguy
02-02-2016, 08:00 PM
My point is that if it's fair for some to think of liberal institutions as being amoral hotbeds of communism and lack of scruples, it's also fair for others to think of Christian or conservative institutions as being rigid, controlling and biased.

I don't hold it against people who go to Christian schools or liberal schools. It's a matter of choice.

it would be easy to describe (some) secular schools as being rigid controlling and biased.

Some have forbade conservative political groups, white only ones, straight only ones while allowing progressive, black or non heterosexual ones.

a bias is not a bias if you agree with it. Miss Norah shares the christian bias, Master Bobby did not choose the other biases but gets them like it or not.

midcan5
02-03-2016, 08:30 AM
I don't know of any liberal Christian schools, do you? And your second comment is exactly the point, that those schools are not allowing free speech because of all their prohibitions.

Yale, Georgetown? would be examples even though conservative in many areas. Most Catholic schools are more open to ideas than fundamentalist schools, but imo PC is just another bit of baloney used to distract from the issues. It is sorta like the liberal media, just part of a narrative to keep the wingnuts occupied.

Norah
02-03-2016, 06:01 PM
Hi Norah, I like your new name!

Do you think it's fair to scrutinize and comment on liberal institutions but not conservative ones?

I think it's fair to scrutinize and comment on any institution as long as its coming from an informed point of view. If a school is deserving of scrutiny for something that I think is personally wrong then as long as i'm not guessing about the facts or lying about it then it's fair to give an opinion I think. I don't agree with what alot of universities do or campaign for but ultimately I don't go to that school. If my school started to do things that I didn't like then I would comment on it, I would try and organize, and I would try to make my voice heard, but if that didn't work and my school started to do things that I don't agree with without any hope of it stopping then i'd transfer. In my opinion the reason why alot of the more liberal secular schools get on the news is because of their political stances and their publicizing of those stances. You don't hear about Abilene Christian on the news all that often outside of west Texas because they don't go out of their way to make news and also the students here want to be here for the reasons that the school exists.

Mott the Hoople
02-08-2016, 06:31 AM
He ends with nonsense. Private colleges are not the state.Oh spare us that trite libertarian nonsense. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy.

I'm sorry but I've been to both and seen the product of both and by any objective measure the education you receive at a conservative parochial school may fit far more into ones world view but compared to a quality liberal arts education they are indeed second rate institutions of education by any objective measure.

Most conservative parochial schools teach a student how to advance their lives within an insular community and not the broad scope of society and humanity at large thus when they have to deal with those they tend to be woefully unprepared.

evince
02-08-2016, 06:33 AM
I think it's fair to scrutinize and comment on any institution as long as its coming from an informed point of view. If a school is deserving of scrutiny for something that I think is personally wrong then as long as i'm not guessing about the facts or lying about it then it's fair to give an opinion I think. I don't agree with what alot of universities do or campaign for but ultimately I don't go to that school. If my school started to do things that I didn't like then I would comment on it, I would try and organize, and I would try to make my voice heard, but if that didn't work and my school started to do things that I don't agree with without any hope of it stopping then i'd transfer. In my opinion the reason why alot of the more liberal secular schools get on the news is because of their political stances and their publicizing of those stances. You don't hear about Abilene Christian on the news all that often outside of west Texas because they don't go out of their way to make news and also the students here want to be here for the reasons that the school exists.



if they aught you FACTS you don't like would you be angry with them?

Mott the Hoople
02-08-2016, 06:34 AM
Yale, Georgetown? would be examples even though conservative in many areas. Most Catholic schools are more open to ideas than fundamentalist schools, but imo PC is just another bit of baloney used to distract from the issues. It is sorta like the liberal media, just part of a narrative to keep the wingnuts occupied.
Often those who decry against political correctness are being hypocrites in that they are being politically correct about their bigotry.

I like to call them on that. :)

evince
02-08-2016, 06:36 AM
political correctness is the prevailing public opinion.


that is it.



the right wants people to stop noticing their racism

Cancel 2016.2
02-08-2016, 10:26 AM
I don't know of any liberal Christian schools, do you? And your second comment is exactly the point, that those schools are not allowing free speech because of all their prohibitions.

Christians are neither liberal nor conservative on the whole (though they do TEND to be conservative on SOME social issues).

That said... are you trying to compare private colleges/universities with public ones?

CFM
02-08-2016, 11:08 AM
I don't know of any liberal Christian schools, do you? And your second comment is exactly the point, that those schools are not allowing free speech because of all their prohibitions.


That should tell you that there isn't such a thing as a Liberal Christian.

Norah
02-08-2016, 06:09 PM
if they aught you FACTS you don't like would you be angry with them?

I guess it would depend on what they were teaching. Sometimes people confuse facts with opinions though and so like I said it would just depend.

CFM
02-09-2016, 04:01 PM
Again that's not the point. When any institution does these things I don't consider them as acting according to Christ's teachings. It's a lot different from how you run your Christian household.

"Students have been expelled for being LGBT; professors have been fired or forced to resign for coming out as transgender; for getting pregnant outside marriage or for getting divorced; discriminating against students and faculty who are LGBT, female or pregnant; calling on students to “end those Muslims” by carrying concealed weapons discriminate against women; use the Bible as a science text and fire professors who disagree."

If the teachings of Christ don't differ from one to the other, how something is run according to those teachings doesn't differ. Your problem is you don't like what they do. It's that simple. No one says you have to like it.

CFM
02-09-2016, 04:03 PM
My point is that if it's fair for some to think of liberal institutions as being amoral hotbeds of communism and lack of scruples, it's also fair for others to think of Christian or conservative institutions as being rigid, controlling and biased.

I don't hold it against people who go to Christian schools or liberal schools. It's a matter of choice.

If a Christian school does something you don't like, you hold it against them.

CFM
02-09-2016, 04:04 PM
I don't know of any liberal Christian schools, do you? And your second comment is exactly the point, that those schools are not allowing free speech because of all their prohibitions.

That's because Liberal ideology and Christian beliefs are polar opposites.

IMT
02-09-2016, 10:24 PM
Dear christiefan915:

ICS, or 'the Toronto school' [sometimes called] may come closest to your earlier question. Institute for Christian Studies (http://www.icscanada.edu/).

Hope College (http://www.hope.edu/index.html), although same say it is more a place for women to find husbands. Not as academically oriented as the ICS.

Waldorf (http://www.waldorf.edu/). I can't vouch for it myself, but some would make this claim.

IMT

evince
02-10-2016, 06:51 AM
That's because Liberal ideology and Christian beliefs are polar opposites.

yeah

everyone knows jesus hated poor people just like republicans do

evince
02-10-2016, 06:53 AM
I guess it would depend on what they were teaching. Sometimes people confuse facts with opinions though and so like I said it would just depend.

yeah


like claiming GW is not man effected


that is a factless opinion

christiefan915
02-10-2016, 07:49 AM
If a Christian school does something you don't like, you hold it against them.

You missed the whole point of the article.

christiefan915
02-10-2016, 07:56 AM
If the teachings of Christ don't differ from one to the other, how something is run according to those teachings doesn't differ. Your problem is you don't like what they do. It's that simple. No one says you have to like it.

Your problem is that you have no reading comprehension. Cons are famous for bashing colleges as bastions of liberal thinking that are trying to indoctrinate students in socialism, godlessness or whatever else they perceive as liberal propaganda. Therefore it's fair to criticize conservative colleges for their own indoctrination attempts.

Hope this clears it up for you.

evince
02-10-2016, 07:57 AM
he is an idiot racist scum

christiefan915
02-10-2016, 07:59 AM
Well its obvious that those who choose these schools disagree. And they can support that in scripture.

We both know one can use scripture to support almost anything.

How about "love your neighbor as yourself" when it comes to LGBT, Muslims etc.

christiefan915
02-10-2016, 07:59 AM
he is an idiot racist scum

Yeah, that's obvious from reading his posts.

Jarod
02-10-2016, 08:03 AM
I still cant get a grasp on what Conservatives are talking about when they complain about Political Correctness.

Somehow its why Trump gets praised when he brings out the word "Pussy" on national television. Somehow I feel his supporters are the same ones so upset by Janet Jackson's tit at the super bowl.

Why is a presidential candidate commenting on calling someone a "pussy" in front of kids good, but Janet Jacksons nipple is bad?

(For the record, I am okay with both the nipple and the pussy)

Celticguy
02-10-2016, 08:04 AM
We both know one can use scripture to support almost anything.

How about "love your neighbor as yourself" when it comes to LGBT, Muslims etc.
And what do you take that to mean ?
And how do you know if one is doing it ?
Yes, one can attempt to prove anything in scripture so long as the one you are attempting to convince doesn't know the Good Book.

Norah
02-10-2016, 08:23 AM
yeah


like claiming GW is not man effected


that is a factless opinion

Sorry but what does global warming have to do with Christian universities?