Record Number Christian Colleges Request Right to Discriminate LGBTQ Students

[christiefan915]

I think the author makes some good points. If you don't want to take LGBTQ students, don't take federal money.

"Conservatives frequently endorse legislation limiting the individual choices of welfare recipients—by, say, barring them from buying certain food with welfare dollars. The logic behind this philosophy is straightforward: When the government gives you money, the government gets to dictate how you spend it.

You might think that principle would extend to private Christian colleges that accept federal funds. The deal here should be simple: The universities maintain their religious identities and teachings, but they must follow certain ground rules since they are partly financed by taxpayers. One basic stipulation: Colleges that receive federal money are supposed to comply with Title IX—which, as interpreted by the Department of Education, bars discrimination on the basis of sex, including sexual orientation and gender identity.

This agreement held firm for decades: Since Congress passed Title IX in 1972, relatively few colleges have asked for a waiver permitting them to resume sex discrimination on religious grounds. Recently however, that number has skyrocketed: Forty-three colleges have applied for such exemptions in 2015 alone, and 22 of those have already been approved.

Holden notes that the 2015 applications “appear to become increasingly similar in their language and formula.” That is almost certainly because a handful of anti-LGBTQ religious advocacy groups are leading the charge against Title IX, helping Christian colleges draft waiver requests so they can freely discriminate against LGBTQ students and faculty. I asked Ian Thompson, legislative representative for the American Civil Liberties Union, what he made of the uptick in waivers.

“Simply put,” he told me, “Title IX’s religious exemption is far too broad. It affords the Department of Education almost no discretion to deny a waiver, even to schools that receive significant federal funding.” Thompson also criticized the DOE’s refusal to freely publicize which schools receive waivers.

“While legislation is needed to narrow the sweeping scope of the exemption,” he said, “it should not take FOIA requests or investigative journalism for LGBT students and their families to be informed of the kinds of discrimination they can be subjected to by their school, simply based on who they are.”

That’s true, of course—but it’s also worth asking whether the exemption should exist at all. Christian colleges have every right to discriminate against students and faculty; Title IX only asks that they do so with their own money. Taxpayers shouldn’t be forced to subsidize religious discrimination. That’s the kind of thing our wall of separation between church and state was designed to prevent. And the conservative Christian legal establishment’s drive to legalize as much publicly funded discrimination as possible demonstrates yet again that its vision of “religious freedom” involves curtailing liberty for the rest of us."

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/12/18/christian_colleges_demand_right_to_discriminate_ag ainst_lgbtq_students.html

[canceled.2021.1]

I think the author makes some good points. If you don't want to take LGBTQ students, don't take federal money.

"Conservatives frequently endorse legislation limiting the individual choices of welfare recipients—by, say, barring them from buying certain food with welfare dollars. The logic behind this philosophy is straightforward: When the government gives you money, the government gets to dictate how you spend it.

You might think that principle would extend to private Christian colleges that accept federal funds. The deal here should be simple: The universities maintain their religious identities and teachings, but they must follow certain ground rules since they are partly financed by taxpayers. One basic stipulation: Colleges that receive federal money are supposed to comply with Title IX—which, as interpreted by the Department of Education, bars discrimination on the basis of sex, including sexual orientation and gender identity.

This agreement held firm for decades: Since Congress passed Title IX in 1972, relatively few colleges have asked for a waiver permitting them to resume sex discrimination on religious grounds. Recently however, that number has skyrocketed: Forty-three colleges have applied for such exemptions in 2015 alone, and 22 of those have already been approved.

Holden notes that the 2015 applications “appear to become increasingly similar in their language and formula.” That is almost certainly because a handful of anti-LGBTQ religious advocacy groups are leading the charge against Title IX, helping Christian colleges draft waiver requests so they can freely discriminate against LGBTQ students and faculty. I asked Ian Thompson, legislative representative for the American Civil Liberties Union, what he made of the uptick in waivers.

“Simply put,” he told me, “Title IX’s religious exemption is far too broad. It affords the Department of Education almost no discretion to deny a waiver, even to schools that receive significant federal funding.” Thompson also criticized the DOE’s refusal to freely publicize which schools receive waivers.

“While legislation is needed to narrow the sweeping scope of the exemption,” he said, “it should not take FOIA requests or investigative journalism for LGBT students and their families to be informed of the kinds of discrimination they can be subjected to by their school, simply based on who they are.”

That’s true, of course—but it’s also worth asking whether the exemption should exist at all. Christian colleges have every right to discriminate against students and faculty; Title IX only asks that they do so with their own money. Taxpayers shouldn’t be forced to subsidize religious discrimination. That’s the kind of thing our wall of separation between church and state was designed to prevent. And the conservative Christian legal establishment’s drive to legalize as much publicly funded discrimination as possible demonstrates yet again that its vision of “religious freedom” involves curtailing liberty for the rest of us."

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/12/18/christian_colleges_demand_right_to_discriminate_ag ainst_lgbtq_students.html

I agree. Don't take gobblement money and you can do what you want. I almost got into Section 8 housing based on the experiences of friends in the business. It is some of the easiest money you can make. You can inflate your rent over market prices and the checks come no matter what. In the end I chose not to because it went against my principles of not doing bidness with the gobblement

[Mott the Hoople]

I think the author makes some good points. If you don't want to take LGBTQ students, don't take federal money.

"Conservatives frequently endorse legislation limiting the individual choices of welfare recipients—by, say, barring them from buying certain food with welfare dollars. The logic behind this philosophy is straightforward: When the government gives you money, the government gets to dictate how you spend it.

You might think that principle would extend to private Christian colleges that accept federal funds. The deal here should be simple: The universities maintain their religious identities and teachings, but they must follow certain ground rules since they are partly financed by taxpayers. One basic stipulation: Colleges that receive federal money are supposed to comply with Title IX—which, as interpreted by the Department of Education, bars discrimination on the basis of sex, including sexual orientation and gender identity.

This agreement held firm for decades: Since Congress passed Title IX in 1972, relatively few colleges have asked for a waiver permitting them to resume sex discrimination on religious grounds. Recently however, that number has skyrocketed: Forty-three colleges have applied for such exemptions in 2015 alone, and 22 of those have already been approved.

Holden notes that the 2015 applications “appear to become increasingly similar in their language and formula.” That is almost certainly because a handful of anti-LGBTQ religious advocacy groups are leading the charge against Title IX, helping Christian colleges draft waiver requests so they can freely discriminate against LGBTQ students and faculty. I asked Ian Thompson, legislative representative for the American Civil Liberties Union, what he made of the uptick in waivers.

“Simply put,” he told me, “Title IX’s religious exemption is far too broad. It affords the Department of Education almost no discretion to deny a waiver, even to schools that receive significant federal funding.” Thompson also criticized the DOE’s refusal to freely publicize which schools receive waivers.

“While legislation is needed to narrow the sweeping scope of the exemption,” he said, “it should not take FOIA requests or investigative journalism for LGBT students and their families to be informed of the kinds of discrimination they can be subjected to by their school, simply based on who they are.”

That’s true, of course—but it’s also worth asking whether the exemption should exist at all. Christian colleges have every right to discriminate against students and faculty; Title IX only asks that they do so with their own money. Taxpayers shouldn’t be forced to subsidize religious discrimination. That’s the kind of thing our wall of separation between church and state was designed to prevent. And the conservative Christian legal establishment’s drive to legalize as much publicly funded discrimination as possible demonstrates yet again that its vision of “religious freedom” involves curtailing liberty for the rest of us."

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/12/18/christian_colleges_demand_right_to_discriminate_ag ainst_lgbtq_students.html
Why is federal money being spent at any parochial school in the first place?

[Darth Omar]

Ah, the old withholding government money as a means of coercion ploy.

[Mott the Hoople]

Ah, the old withholding government money as a means of coercion ploy.
No, its the old, if you want use religion to hide your bigotry behind don't come begging for tax payer money.

They tried the same crap in the 60's and 70's to discriminate against racial minorities and women.

[Minister of Truth]

What does the Q stand for, again? They keep adding letters to the acronym...

[Darth Omar]

What does the Q stand for, again? They keep adding letters to the acronym...

Let's allow ignorance to be bliss, shall we lol.

[evince]

Ah, the old withholding government money as a means of coercion ploy.

dude,


are you insane?

why are they taking the money then?



do these religious schools have no MORALS?

[christiefan915]

What does the Q stand for, again? They keep adding letters to the acronym...

Queer.

[Boris The Animal]

It's still sexual perversion no matter how anyone sugarcoats it.

[Norah]

My personal opinion on this topic as someone that currently attends a private Christian university is that if you apply for a faith centered school then you should already know what being a part of that student body means. For example at my school we have mandatory worship that lasts for about 30 minutes and in that service it goes over our faith and our responsibilities as Christians but I knew that before I enrolled and so I can't be shocked or put off by that fact. I have to go, but I enjoy going so its ok with me. If you apply at a faith based school whose doctrine states that LGBTQ goes against their teachings then you should not enroll in that school if you are unable to be a part of that environment. As for public funding if it's a private Christian school then the continuation of public funding should be up to the state whether or not it wants to continue giving to it or not.

[Darth Omar]

My personal opinion on this topic as someone that currently attends a private Christian university is that if you apply for a faith centered school then you should already know what being a part of that student body means. For example at my school we have mandatory worship that lasts for about 30 minutes and in that service it goes over our faith and our responsibilities as Christians but I knew that before I enrolled and so I can't be shocked or put off by that fact. I have to go, but I enjoy going so its ok with me. If you apply at a faith based school whose doctrine states that LGBTQ goes against their teachings then you should not enroll in that school if you are unable to be a part of that environment. As for public funding if it's a private Christian school then the continuation of public funding should be up to the state whether or not it wants to continue giving to it or not.

But that's it...they're out to force acceptance. They see themselves as cultural crusaders and they're mission is pure.

[BRUTALITOPS]

I agree. Don't take gobblement money and you can do what you want.

christie probably believes a private organization should also not be able to do what they want. hey pointing out the school is public is disingenuous.

[Minister of Truth]

Queer.

That's gay and redundant. Thanks!

[christiefan915]

christie probably believes a private organization should also not be able to do what they want. hey pointing out the school is public is disingenuous.

:rolleyes: An anti-religion, small government schmuck like you making this comment. Priceless.

[Minister of Truth]

Under the circumstances - fucking priceless.

[Celticguy]

The govt decided to take over the student loan business and you kids are calling this taking govt money ? SMH

[The Dude]

Why are conservatives so lower middle class

[Norah]

Why are conservatives so lower middle class

I don't know if that's accurate or not but I know for many people, and I would include myself in that, money and status isn't all that important.

[BRUTALITOPS]

:rolleyes: An anti-religion, small government schmuck like you making this comment. Priceless.

how is what I said sarcastically priceless? your response to me makes zero sense

[christiefan915]

how is what I said sarcastically priceless? your response to me makes zero sense

First tell me what this nonsense is about, moron: "christie probably believes a private organization should also not be able to do what they want."

[canceled.2021.1]

First tell me what this nonsense is about, moron: "christie probably believes a private organization should also not be able to do what they want."

You do believe that. Don't lie

[christiefan915]

You do believe that. Don't lie

They can do whatever they want unless it's against the law. Don't misrepresent my position.