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Cypress
08-28-2006, 04:18 PM
This dude is ready to be president. He's got the midas touch - the rock star karma, if you will. And not just in Kenya. But, here too. This guy could beat any republican you can name, IMO.

I know this is a little fluff piece, but remember when we had presidents like this?

Cheering Throngs greet Senator Obama in Kenya

Obama goes back to his father's native Kenya

By C. Bryson Hull
Sat Aug 26, 11:52 AM ET

KOGELO, Kenya (Reuters) - U.S. Senator Barack Obama returned to his ancestral village in west Kenya on Saturday as thousands of cheering well-wishers thronged to greet the rising political star in America's Democratic Party as a native son.

After flying into Kisumu on the shores of Lake Victoria, Obama drove 100 km (60 miles) northwest to the village where his father was born and buried for the highly anticipated climax of his two-week African tour.

Unlike his last visit in the early 1990s when he traveled by public minibus with chickens in his lap, this time Obama reached the verdant village in a motorcade with police escorts.

"People of Kogelo, thank you!" he said in the local Luo language to rapturous applause as he stood on a table to greet thousands gathered on the football pitch of the Senator Obama Primary School, renamed in his honor.

A carnival atmosphere prevailed as residents banged drums, sang songs and waved flags reading "Obama we love you."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060826/pl_nm/kenya_obama_dc_3

evince
08-28-2006, 04:24 PM
I think Warner ,Obama in 08 would be killer

Cypress
08-28-2006, 04:28 PM
I think Warner ,Obama in 08 would be killer

Obama is ready to be the headline act.

You've seen him on cspan. He's got the intellect, the personality, and the charisma that blows away Warner or anyone else in either party.

He'd be perfectly positioned to regain our allies, and our standing in the world. IMO

BRUTALITOPS
08-28-2006, 04:29 PM
he's does not have rockstar status cypress. He hasn't even served a full term in the senate yet. Most people in america still probably don't know who he is. Just because you like him doesn't mean anything.

Damocles
08-28-2006, 04:30 PM
That would be like me saying that Tancredo stands a chance to win because he's charismatic...

Cypress
08-28-2006, 04:34 PM
That would be like me saying that Tancredo stands a chance to win because he's charismatic...

How do you think Bush won in 2000? Ability, experience and intellect?

No. Because he seemed like he'd be cool to have a beer with. The Governor of Texas is constitutionally, largely a figurehead position with relatively little executive authority.

Obama is head and shoulders above bush, in every way imaginable.

maineman
08-28-2006, 04:35 PM
Warner-Obama has to be the republican's worst nightmare.

A moderate southern governor like the last two democratic presidents along with the first black on the national ticket which will bring formerly apathetic black voters out in droves....

Damocles
08-28-2006, 04:35 PM
Except the "Beer Me!" magnetism...

I think he won because Gore couldn't captivate so they really only went on what they said....

maineman
08-28-2006, 04:37 PM
let Obama get eight years of seasoning as Veep and then he'll stroll into the white house on his own in 2016.

Cypress
08-28-2006, 04:39 PM
Except the "Beer Me!" magnetism...

I think he won because Gore couldn't captivate so they really only went on what they said....

You could train a shaved chimpanzee to "say" the right things on the issues:

"I hate abortions! I like small government, and low taxes!"

I would hope republicans vote on more than just sound bites. But, also on competence, experience, and ability.

evince
08-28-2006, 04:42 PM
Warner record and his bipartisan outlook would be a huge asset and pair that with a Obama at his right hand would seal it.

Obama is a bit young and there are still alot of people reluctant to a Black on the top ticket, they would freak and attack like frothing dogs

evince
08-28-2006, 04:42 PM
Katrina proved to me the depth of racism still left in America.

Damocles
08-28-2006, 04:43 PM
You could train a shaved chimpanzee to "say" the right things on the issues:

"I hate abortions! I like small government, and low taxes!"

I would hope republicans vote on more than just sound bites. But, also on competence, experience, and ability.
The problem was they really didn't have much to work with. Gore/Lieberman or Bush/Cheney. They voted for the guys they liked better...

It will work the same with the next groups. Obama can captivate a group but his 4 years of experience won't get him past the ignorant... He needs a bit more than that and a far more national platform for a longer period.

It's not like people who pay attention are going to vote for him because he is articulate if his views are against what they believe...

evince
08-28-2006, 04:45 PM
They both won!

it was stolen and until we fix it the Rs will run idiots who soundbite

Cypress
08-28-2006, 04:48 PM
The problem was they really didn't have much to work with. Gore/Lieberman or Bush/Cheney. They voted for the guys they liked better...

It will work the same with the next groups. Obama can captivate a group but his 4 years of experience won't get him past the ignorant... He needs a bit more than that and a far more national platform for a longer period.

It's not like people who pay attention are going to vote for him because he is articulate if his views are against what they believe...

Right. They "liked" bush better. I'm not talking about hard-core repubs, who would vote for a shaved chimp before they voted for a dem. I'm talking aobut the liberal republicans and independents who voted for bush over gore.

And how on earth, did Bush win the 2000 GOP primary? That can't be dismissed as some fluke because his opponents "ideology" was not consistent with the primary voters.

Like I said, it was something about bush besides integrity, expericence, and intellect (which he sorely lacks). Its was about charisma and personality. Which roles me back to the importance of charisma.

Damocles
08-28-2006, 04:49 PM
If Gore would have been smart enough to pay attention to his own state it never would have been "stolen"...

I get so tired of this crap. If Gore got more votes this wouldn't have happened. When even the people of his own state say NO, there is something more you should look at than "It was stolen"... Regardless of whatever might have been done in Florida, had Gore won his own home state he would have been President in 2001.

Cypress
08-28-2006, 04:52 PM
Warner record and his bipartisan outlook would be a huge asset and pair that with a Obama at his right hand would seal it.

Obama is a bit young and there are still alot of people reluctant to a Black on the top ticket, they would freak and attack like frothing dogs

I'm not too worried about what people say can't, or shouldn't be done.

I was with Howard Dean, when he had maybe 300 supporters nationwide. Before anybody knew him. And he went from nowhere, to the frontrunner in a matter of months. And I still believe he would have won if the DLC, Gephardt, Kerry, and Lieberman hadn't conspired against him.

So, I don't always believe in conventional wisdom.

evince
08-28-2006, 04:57 PM
You need to examine the Facts of the machines with an open mind.

The evidence is startling!

Cancel7
08-28-2006, 05:47 PM
Katrina proved to me the depth of racism still left in America.


Yes, I think this is underestimated too Desh. I personally believe that the number of Americans who feel good about telling a pollster "sure I'd vote for a black President, in fact, I can't wait for the chance to!", but who, once in the voting booth, won't pull that lever, cannot be reliably calculated.

Same thing btw, for a female President.

Cypress
08-28-2006, 05:50 PM
Most of the racists are going to vote republican anyway. That doesn't hurt Obama. To be sure, there's a some good old boy Democrats who might shy away from Obama.

But, that would be more than offset, by a massive turnout in the minority communities.

Cancel7
08-28-2006, 05:54 PM
Most of the racists are going to vote republican anyway. That doesn't hurt Obama. To be sure, there's a some good old boy Democrats who might shy away from Obama.

But, that would be more than offset, by a massive turnout in the minority communities.

You might be right. I hope so, I'd love to be alive to see the first black president and the first female one. At least one of those milestones please! It would be so great.

Immanuel
08-29-2006, 10:14 AM
Most of the racists are going to vote republican anyway. That doesn't hurt Obama. To be sure, there's a some good old boy Democrats who might shy away from Obama.

But, that would be more than offset, by a massive turnout in the minority communities.

What a ridiculous statement Cypress. Not all racists are white in case you did not know it. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are two very prominent non-white racists.

Immie

Immanuel
08-29-2006, 10:18 AM
You might be right. I hope so, I'd love to be alive to see the first black president and the first female one. At least one of those milestones please! It would be so great.

I would love to be alive when we don't look at a person's color or genitals to determine whether or not they are qualified to be President or any other position. Unfortunately, thanks to our political parties, I don't see that happening. They both use this as another dividing issue.

Immie

robdastud
08-29-2006, 10:25 AM
Warner-Obama has to be the republican's worst nightmare.

A moderate southern governor like the last two democratic presidents along with the first black on the national ticket which will bring formerly apathetic black voters out in droves....

NO MORE SOUTHERN PRESIDENTS

robdastud
08-29-2006, 10:28 AM
i think obama would lose actually due to his hard left stance on abortion, he wouldn't win even one southern state, count florida out as well...

LadyT
08-29-2006, 10:29 AM
I think we could use a dose of that, "Northeast Elitism" in office.

robdastud
08-29-2006, 10:32 AM
I think we could use a dose of that, "Northeast Elitism" in office.

exactly except Romney... but like if Pataki or Whitman... yeah ... how bout them apples...
Christine Whitman....

she should run

Cypress
08-29-2006, 10:36 AM
What a ridiculous statement Cypress. Not all racists are white in case you did not know it. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are two very prominent non-white racists.

Immie


I never said otherwise.

I think Louis Farakhan is a horrid anti-semite.

BRUTALITOPS
08-29-2006, 03:52 PM
Katrina proved to me the depth of racism still left in America.

example?

klaatu
08-29-2006, 04:09 PM
example?

There is no real example.. its just the Democrats way of spinning rhetoric.. just like the "Machines" .. or all racists are "white" by implying they only reside in the republican party ... or Obama is "ready" to be President .., or enough with the suthern white honky's, or posting about southern white fat asses, its the "aint I a now big tent guy" kind of mentality.. that is transparent as the gas I pass from eating too damn much caribbean rice and beans.

:cool:

Topspin
08-31-2006, 11:23 AM
Obama has exactly zero chance of even being vice president.
I agree with Desh, too many racist.
I think the dems are too smart to even put him on the ticket. His balloon will get floated and that's it. The dems have enough racist on their side to kill it. Evidence how many blacks in leadership positions in their organizations.
Before you all get off on me, this is what I think.
I would support a Hillary/Ford ticket like a volunteer.

BRUTALITOPS
09-02-2006, 11:53 AM
What a ridiculous statement Cypress. Not all racists are white in case you did not know it. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are two very prominent non-white racists.

Immie

they're are TONS of black racists and nearly all of them are in the democratic party.

evince
09-02-2006, 11:58 AM
Racist hate the Dem party, they vote R.

evince
09-02-2006, 11:59 AM
example?



go to fullpolitics.com and go back to the posts going on at the time

HipLew
09-11-2006, 08:06 PM
obama could indeed become president.....of kenya!

Cancel7
09-12-2006, 07:41 PM
Right. They "liked" bush better. I'm not talking about hard-core repubs, who would vote for a shaved chimp before they voted for a dem. I'm talking aobut the liberal republicans and independents who voted for bush over gore.

And how on earth, did Bush win the 2000 GOP primary? That can't be dismissed as some fluke because his opponents "ideology" was not consistent with the primary voters.

Like I said, it was something about bush besides integrity, expericence, and intellect (which he sorely lacks). Its was about charisma and personality. Which roles me back to the importance of charisma.

Cypress, I'd say that bush won the primary by planting rumors designed to appeal to the many racists in the republican's southern base (sorry, they're there!), and by spreading other rumors that his captivity during Vietnam had left him insane. That's how you win Republican primaries. Let's at least own up to the shit that these people cater to in their own bases. The disgusting asses of the very dregs of humanity that they have to kiss in order to get through their primaries.

Now as to the general, Damo's wrong, (but what's new), who you'd rather have a beer with, did play a part. Like anything in life, there was more than one factor. There was also the factor, and fact by the way, that Desh brought up, and then there was the Clinton fatigue factor, or the percieved clinton fatigue factor, which since he left office with such high approval ratings (whose grandmother wouldn't bush murder to have those numbers today?) I belive the republicans made up and the media liked the way it smelled and they played it, and since perception is reality, this perception of this nearly non-existent clinton-fatigue, became reality, and possibly cost Gore some votes. Then there was Gore's own incredibly stupid error of putting Clinton on a leash and distancing himself from him. You do not put the most charasmatic and smartest natural-born polititican your era has produced, in the holding pen.

So there were a lot of reasons. That's just my opinion. I can't see Obama winning if he's on top of the ticket, and frankly, with four years in the Senate, I don't think he should.

However, I would be very excited about him as VP, and future President. I believe he will be, I'll tell you why. For all the reasons you mention, and because history shows us that sexism is a stronger social force than racism, there will be a black male President before there is a female President, and I believe Obama is well-positioned to eventually be that man. Hillary is going to flop, and we will not see a female President for another 20 years yet. That's my prediction. :)

Cancel7
09-12-2006, 07:44 PM
NO MORE SOUTHERN PRESIDENTS

Seconded.

Don't care who doesn't like it.

Tell your complaints to the bartender.

Topspin
09-12-2006, 09:38 PM
Only southern presidenst allowed you yankees are too stupid and Shallow.
Can you turds even remember a non southerner?

robdastud
09-13-2006, 07:43 AM
Only southern presidenst allowed you yankees are too stupid and Shallow.
Can you turds even remember a non southerner?

the south has all the EV's... the south runs the whole country... which is scary... .

Damocles
09-13-2006, 07:51 AM
the south has all the EV's... the south runs the whole country... which is scary... .
I guess I just haven't been there enough to be scared of Civil War re-enactors...

Jarod
09-13-2006, 09:21 AM
Only southern presidenst allowed you yankees are too stupid and Shallow.
Can you turds even remember a non southerner?


Reagan

Damocles
09-13-2006, 09:43 AM
Reagan
Ford. Nixon. Kennedy. H.W. Bush (from Mass.)... Those are just the ones I remember... Although Kennedy died before I was born it isn't too hard to "remember" that he wasn't from the South.

BRUTALITOPS
09-17-2006, 07:21 PM
They both won!

it was stolen and until we fix it the Rs will run idiots who soundbite

oh please shut the fuck up, you dumb moonbat.

TRGLDTE
09-18-2006, 09:18 AM
let Obama get eight years of seasoning as Veep and then he'll stroll into the white house on his own in 2016.


But what of the Hilldebeast? She's suposedly NOT running in 2008 - that's what she has been telling constituents- so, a seasoned, seating sitting Demo VP...

TRGLDTE
09-18-2006, 09:19 AM
Katrina proved to me the depth of racism still left in America. It proved to me how comfortable people have become in depending on government for their very safety.

Jarod
09-18-2006, 09:39 AM
Bush Sr. told everyone he was From Texas!

Damocles
09-18-2006, 11:57 AM
It proved to me how comfortable people have become in depending on government for their very safety.
And what a fricking shame that really is. I don't trust them to give me my "Social Security" that I payed for, why should I expect them to save my life? We are such fricking sheep!

Damocles
09-18-2006, 11:57 AM
Bush Sr. told everyone he was From Texas!
If I moved there would that make me "from" Texas?

Jarod
09-18-2006, 12:01 PM
If I moved there would that make me "from" Texas?



When people ask me where I am from, I say Tampa, where I grew up. Even though I have lived in Alabama, Wyoming, Virginia, Washington, D.C, Maryland, Miami, Ft. Lauderdale and West Palm Beach since I lived in Tampa!

Damocles
09-18-2006, 12:19 PM
When people ask me where I am from, I say Tampa, where I grew up. Even though I have lived in Alabama, Wyoming, Virginia, Washington, D.C, Maryland, Miami, Ft. Lauderdale and West Palm Beach since I lived in Tampa!
I would always say "Colorado", that's where I am from, not where I live. Those are two different things. (Of course I live in Colorado now too, but that wasn't always the case.)

Cypress
01-28-2008, 07:44 PM
This was an interesting thread to revisit. I thought Obama was ready and had the midas touch, in August 2006....to which posters responded with disbelief and derision. :)


AUGUST 28, 2006

CYPRESS: "Obama's Ready....This dude is ready to be president. He's got the midas touch - the rock star karma, if you will. And not just in Kenya. But, here too. This guy could beat any republican you can name, IMO."



-Grind He does not have rockstar status cypress. He hasn't even served a full term in the senate yet. Most people in america still probably don't know who he is. Just because you like him doesn't mean anything.

-Damocles: That would be like me saying that Tancredo stands a chance to win because he's charismatic...

-topspin: Obama has exactly zero chance of even being vice president. I agree with Desh, too many racist. I think the dems are too smart to even put him on the ticket.

-Hiplew: obama could indeed become president.....of kenya!

-Desh: Obama is a bit young and there are still alot of people reluctant to a Black on the top ticket, they would freak and attack like frothing dogs

evince
01-28-2008, 07:45 PM
Im so very glad I was wrong

Cypress
01-28-2008, 07:49 PM
Im so very glad I was wrong

:)

Hell, I'm wrong about a lot of crap! But, I knew there was something different about Obama. Something inspiring, and unique. And that he was ready for the big game. So, I'll take credit for it.

Beefy
01-28-2008, 08:02 PM
:)

Hell, I'm wrong about a lot of crap! But, I knew there was something different about Obama. Something inspiring, and unique. And that he was ready for the big game. So, I'll take credit for it.

Why don't you ever post the threads where you're wrong, followed by a frownie face?

Because that would be ingenuous? :D

Minister of Truth
01-28-2008, 08:17 PM
LOL @ Warner/Obama.

Minister of Truth
01-28-2008, 08:19 PM
Of course, as recently as four months ago, no one would have thought that Rudy would fall below Ron Paul's numbers (who will actually have a few delegates thanks to two silvers so far), so I am not going to be so lame as to knock a 1 /14 year old prediction. :clink:

Cancel7
01-28-2008, 09:50 PM
Why don't you ever post the threads where you're wrong, followed by a frownie face?

Because that would be ingenuous? :D

Did Obama receive the nomination and I missed it?

uscitizen
01-28-2008, 09:51 PM
heck it is down to obama and Paul in november.

Cypress
01-28-2008, 09:55 PM
Did Obama receive the nomination and I missed it?

no, what you missed is what I actually said: that Obama has the star power, charisma and stature, to become a president. Which is clearly not even debateable now. He has a good shot at being president.

BRUTALITOPS
01-28-2008, 09:55 PM
This was an interesting thread to revisit. I thought Obama was ready and had the midas touch, in August 2006....to which posters responded with disbelief and derision. :)


I wasn't in disbelief. It was quite clear that this guy has been overhyped since the democratic convention in 2004, I was under no delusion that he was going to be playing a major role in this election.... but to say he is "Ready" was, and is... false.