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robdastud
08-24-2006, 12:27 PM
Just curious.

Damocles
08-24-2006, 12:29 PM
'Cause you are so whiney?

IHateGovernment
08-24-2006, 12:32 PM
Two main reasons.

1. Christianity and other religions condemn homosexuality. Now their religions condemn other things but these things are more commonplace so they are less sensitive to them.

2. At least with male homosexuality anti-homosexuals view homosexuality of a refutation of the virtues of masculinity and it is an afront to them that gays embrace what they see as an inferior feminine position.

The second group often don't have a problem with lesbians and even jack off to porno depicting it.

robdastud
08-24-2006, 12:32 PM
so are christians... they cry persecution when they are the 80% majority..

im whiny b/c i never have a date and im lonely.

but i have phatty pitbull and an audi and im hot... i think id be more understanding if i was a dog and alone, but i think that me being me and being single defy's quantum physics or something. its something thats like an unknown in the universe.

uscitizen
08-24-2006, 12:33 PM
Not sure Rob, but it is not just cons. Many demos do as well.
The church influence figures in I suppose.
For some it is fear that their child or even themselves will turn gay for some sort of infections or something.
Why do some hate people of a different race or religion ?

People are screwed up, what can I say ?

Damocles
08-24-2006, 12:34 PM
so are christians... they cry persecution when they are the 80% majority..

im whiny b/c i never have a date and im lonely.

but i have phatty pitbull and an audi and im hot... i think id be more understanding if i was a dog and alone, but i think that me being me and being single defy's quantum physics or something. its something thats like an unknown in the universe.


And Humble too! Quite a catch. Whiney, hot, and oh so very humble.

uscitizen
08-24-2006, 12:34 PM
Two main reasons.

1. Christianity and other religions condemn homosexuality. Now their religions condemn other things but these things are more commonplace so they are less sensitive to them.

2. At least with male homosexuality anti-homosexuals view homosexuality of a refutation of the virtues of masculinity and it is an afront to them that gays embrace what they see as an inferior feminine position.

The second group often don't have a problem with lesbians and even jack off to porno depicting it.

but why would the second group hate and fear it so much ? I always thought more gay guys = more women for me :)

toby
08-24-2006, 12:37 PM
The primis of you question is unacceptable. Conservatives don't hate homos.

leaningright
08-24-2006, 12:37 PM
Social conservatives are opposed to the gay lifestyle based upon their religious beliefs......see Ihate's point 1. Hate is a strong word and I would tend to guess that it is accurate about 10% of the time or less among the people in this group. There are always idiots out there that do what they do in the name of religion.......ie. bomb/burn abortion clinics, physically harm gays, etc.......but they are not the norm. Can't answer for the guys in Ihate's group 2.

leaningright
08-24-2006, 12:38 PM
Dang, you guys were all over this one....

uscitizen
08-24-2006, 12:39 PM
It is a good question Leaning.

robdastud
08-24-2006, 12:39 PM
And Humble too! Quite a catch. Whiney, hot, and oh so very humble.



well i am... i think part of it is that i don't look it, and i look all big and jacked so maybe when im out people don't think i am or they are afriad to approch me for fear of rejection or something... i dunno, im kinda the same way i wont approach people b/c of fear of rejection or whatever. but i do think im quality... DEFINENTLY... im a grad student--though the living at home thing probably doesn't work to my favor.

LadyT
08-24-2006, 12:48 PM
well i am... i think part of it is that i don't look it, and i look all big and jacked so maybe when im out people don't think i am or they are afriad to approch me for fear of rejection or something... i dunno, im kinda the same way i wont approach people b/c of fear of rejection or whatever. but i do think im quality... DEFINENTLY... im a grad student--though the living at home thing probably doesn't work to my favor.

My god, I hope you don't spin it that way when you're on the prowl. Your official position to living with your mother should be, "I'm at home taking care of her during her recovery" She did have a heart attack right? You do pay the mortgage right? If you just say you're 28 and you live at home, that's definitely not hot.

Dixie - In Memoriam
08-24-2006, 12:50 PM
Gaffer: That's pragmatic ass to you. Now crawl back under your rock.
uscitizen: NO, cause you are already under there with dixie in a love clench

Why is it, uscitizen can't think of a worse insult, than to insinuate homosexuality on someone? Can you explain this, Rob? Is he "Conservative?"

robdastud
08-24-2006, 12:51 PM
My god, I hope you don't spin it that way when you're on the prowl. Your official position to living with your mother should be, "I'm at home taking care of her during her recovery" She did have a heart attack right? You do pay the mortgage right? If you just say you're 28 and you live at home, that's definitely not hot.



OBVIOUSLY TIANA!!! i always ALWAYS (and its definently not lying) i live at home b/c my mom had a heart attack 2 years ago, is unemployed at the moment and if i didn't live there she wouldn't be able to support herself. I should actually start to coin it that instead of me living at home, that my mother lives with me.

robdastud
08-24-2006, 12:53 PM
Gaffer: That's pragmatic ass to you. Now crawl back under your rock.
uscitizen: NO, cause you are already under there with dixie in a love clench

Why is it, uscitizen can't think of a worse insult, than to insinuate homosexuality on someone? Can you explain this, Rob? Is he "Conservative?"



I don't speak for anyone on this site you would need to ask them. But one thing ive recognized is that you put up with a lot of insults on this board, and im activly trying to be nicer to you b/c i do think that your a nice person dixie.

LadyT
08-24-2006, 01:03 PM
I don't speak for anyone on this site you would need to ask them. But one thing ive recognized is that you put up with a lot of insults on this board, and im activly trying to be nicer to you b/c i do think that your a nice person dixie.

ah hah Dixie, you're jig is up!:p

IHateGovernment
08-24-2006, 01:21 PM
Rob is a very forgiving guy even after you call him RobFag.

LadyT
08-24-2006, 01:33 PM
someone's trying to start trouble I see

Dixie - In Memoriam
08-24-2006, 01:43 PM
I don't speak for anyone on this site you would need to ask them. But one thing ive recognized is that you put up with a lot of insults on this board, and im activly trying to be nicer to you b/c i do think that your a nice person dixie.

Well thank you, Rob... and you will note that I have NEVER said that I "hate" you or anyone else. I can disagree with your politics, lifestyle, ethics, religion or lack thereof, and still not hate you as a human being. I was just curious as to your take on the posted comment. It seems to me, certain liberals are very quick to throw out the supposed "insult" of being gay, as if that is the worst possible thing they can imagine being called. Funny for a group of people who claim they aren't prejudiced against gays, isn't it?

Just for T, I will pull out my Bill Mahr Line of the Day here... If everytime I got upset with someone who disagreed with me, I made some comment comparing them to black people, as if that were demeaning or insulting, wouldn't it say a hell of a lot about my personal views of black people? I think people like uscitizen, reveal a lot about what they really think, when they make such comments, don't you?

LadyT
08-24-2006, 01:53 PM
Just for T, I will pull out my Bill Mahr Line of the Day here... If everytime I got upset with someone who disagreed with me, I made some comment comparing them to black people, as if that were demeaning or insulting, wouldn't it say a hell of a lot about my personal views of black people? I think people like uscitizen, reveal a lot about what they really think, when they make such comments, don't you?

You, hillary clinton, Bill Mahr.....

Is it that you think we're incapable of understanding metaphors outside the context of slavery or racism vis-a-vis black people?

Dixie - In Memoriam
08-24-2006, 01:57 PM
You, hillary clinton, Bill Mahr.....

Is it that you think we're incapable of understanding metaphors outside the context of slavery or racism vis-a-vis black people?

I don't know, but do you agree or disagree with what I said?

Damocles
08-24-2006, 01:58 PM
If every time I insulted somebody I used some association to black people what would people think of me?

klaatu
08-24-2006, 02:03 PM
'Cause you are so whiney?

ditto!!!

LadyT
08-24-2006, 02:05 PM
I don't know, but do you agree or disagree with what I said?

no I didn't see where USC said anything like what you suggest.

are you going to give me some sort of plantation analogy now?

klaatu
08-24-2006, 02:06 PM
Two main reasons.

1. Christianity and other religions condemn homosexuality. Now their religions condemn other things but these things are more commonplace so they are less sensitive to them.

2. At least with male homosexuality anti-homosexuals view homosexuality of a refutation of the virtues of masculinity and it is an afront to them that gays embrace what they see as an inferior feminine position.

The second group often don't have a problem with lesbians and even jack off to porno depicting it.

:rolleyes: must be first hand or both hand knowledge ....

Dixie - In Memoriam
08-24-2006, 02:21 PM
no I didn't see where USC said anything like what you suggest.

are you going to give me some sort of plantation analogy now?

No, that wouldn't be appropriate here.

He said it in another thread... Sir Evil's 'Shitbrick' thread, I think. The point is, doesn't this kind of "insult" smack of prejudice? Wouldn't it be taken in a completely different way, if the "insult" were a comparisson to being black? Why is it, we can excuse liberals from "demeaning" people by inferring someone is gay, and that is acceptable? If the same negative comments were made against someone using ethnicity, it would be perceived as "racist" in nature. No?

LadyT
08-24-2006, 02:27 PM
If someone considers being gay an insult, yes. I would say that is a form of bigotry. If someone patronizes black people by only using analogies that involve racism or slavery, I'd say that is a form of bigotry too. I do know that USC likes to tease rob in a benign manner all the time. Somehow I have the feeling you are making it out to be much more than it really is.

uscitizen
08-24-2006, 02:28 PM
Gaffer: That's pragmatic ass to you. Now crawl back under your rock.
uscitizen: NO, cause you are already under there with dixie in a love clench

Why is it, uscitizen can't think of a worse insult, than to insinuate homosexuality on someone? Can you explain this, Rob? Is he "Conservative?"
LOL, I said that because I knew you would not like it, and seem to be a matched pair :)
I am conservative in some ways, fiscal for instance and not for change for changes sake.

uscitizen
08-24-2006, 02:35 PM
If someone considers being gay an insult, yes. I would say that is a form of bigotry. If someone patronizes black people by only using analogies that involve racism or slavery, I'd say that is a form of bigotry too. I do know that USC likes to tease rob in a benign manner all the time. Somehow I have the feeling you are making it out to be much more than it really is.

You got it LadyT.

I am pretty much in the middle on the gay issue. I am not comfortable hanging out with gays. like if is stumbled into the bathroom in PV and caught Rob sucking some guys face or even more explicit. I would be embaressed I guess and leave. But certainly would not join in or hang around and watch. Or run for the moral police. Of course I would probably do the same thing if it was a guy and gal too.
I do believe they should be able to get married and suffer thru all the benefits and pains of the institution of marriage though.

Perhaps I just hit too close to home on Dixie. He is welcome to call me gay if he wants to because I know better :)

uscitizen
08-24-2006, 02:52 PM
Dixie dixie dixie, I make fun of bald headed people too, tll, short, fat, etc if I want to zing em. I really got you good. too close to home huh ?
This is great!

robdastud
08-24-2006, 02:53 PM
Rob is a very forgiving guy even after you call him RobFag.


truth is im a really nice guy... just don't try to hook up w/ someone else in my shower on vacation or your sunglasses might get yanked.

robdastud
08-24-2006, 02:58 PM
Well thank you, Rob... and you will note that I have NEVER said that I "hate" you or anyone else. I can disagree with your politics, lifestyle, ethics, religion or lack thereof, and still not hate you as a human being. I was just curious as to your take on the posted comment. It seems to me, certain liberals are very quick to throw out the supposed "insult" of being gay, as if that is the worst possible thing they can imagine being called. Funny for a group of people who claim they aren't prejudiced against gays, isn't it?

Just for T, I will pull out my Bill Mahr Line of the Day here... If everytime I got upset with someone who disagreed with me, I made some comment comparing them to black people, as if that were demeaning or insulting, wouldn't it say a hell of a lot about my personal views of black people? I think people like uscitizen, reveal a lot about what they really think, when they make such comments, don't you?

OMG, dixie i disagree with you all the time. though i know we have common ground. you can disagree with me any day of the week, we just have different viewpoints is all. And the thing about me is that i know... I TOTALLY KNOW WHERE YOUR COMING FROM... because call it a gift i dunno i know how you think, and i know how democrats think, and in ways both have equally valid points... and yes i do know that liberals can be down right dirty, as with what happened with LIEberman, the things i saw on O'Reilly where they stated mean nasty things about LIEberman with regard to being Jewish is down right criminal. and you wouldn't ever catch me saying anyting about his religious beliefts on this board. my problem is i guess is that i really do like everybody, and i want to be liked, and i think everybody does... (Maslow's hirearchy of needs) everybody wants to feel accepted... but i respect your views and i know you respect mine, and its cool so don't worry about it, but im not in a place not to argue with you and get my points across...

we live in the best country of the world USDA is a beautifl thing.... trust me...

robdastud
08-24-2006, 03:00 PM
ditto!!!

its how god made me... im trying give me some slack... shit especially you klaatu i was gonna send you cuban cigars from mexico!!! :)

uscitizen
08-24-2006, 03:03 PM
Dixie, I know you just loved the time you spent with me Last weekend, please be nice and call me. Miss ya kissy kissy.

signed your llittle liberal luvy duvy ....

klaatu
08-24-2006, 03:12 PM
its how god made me... im trying give me some slack... shit especially you klaatu i was gonna send you cuban cigars from mexico!!! :)

Tell you the truth Dawg.. it would be very difficult for a guy like me to explain that a gay guy gave me a "cigar" .... ;)

but seriously .. thanks for the thought ....!!

robdastud
08-24-2006, 03:23 PM
Tell you the truth Dawg.. it would be very difficult for a guy like me to explain that a gay guy gave me a "cigar" .... ;)

but seriously .. thanks for the thought ....!!

OMG i think i emailed you about it or posted on here about it but im not sure... but i definently would have..

klaatu
08-24-2006, 03:32 PM
OMG i think i emailed you about it or posted on here about it but im not sure... but i definently would have..


Oh I believe you .. and I appreciate the thought! :)

robdastud
08-24-2006, 03:34 PM
Oh I believe you .. and I appreciate the thought! :)

ANYTIME klattu and your still on my christmas mailing just so you know... :) :clink: :clink:

robdastud
08-24-2006, 03:35 PM
its people like you that i can disagree with klaatu and even rip on that make posting worthwile...

you're good people...

Dixie - In Memoriam
08-24-2006, 03:38 PM
Perhaps I just hit too close to home on Dixie. He is welcome to call me gay if he wants to because I know better

I don't happen to think "being gay" is a perjorative, so why would I call you that? Seems to me, you are a little "homophobic" for thinking that being called gay is an insult of some kind. Of course, you will vehemently deny this, just as most racist people will deny they are prejudiced against blacks, but people can derive this by what you say and what you infer, and that was my only point.

If someone patronizes black people by only using analogies that involve racism or slavery, I'd say that is a form of bigotry too.

I don't feel that I do this, T. I merely made an example and presented it for consideration, and thusfar, I don't see anyone with a valid arguement to dispute what I said, including yourself. I am a staunch believer in treating all people fairly and judging them by the content of their character, and what they say, not their skin color, religious belief, or in this case, sexuality. When I see bigotry and prejudice, whether it is against a gay person or gays in general, or whether it is against blacks, hispanics, Christians, or anyone else, I speak out against it.

Cancel7
08-24-2006, 04:07 PM
Two main reasons.

1. Christianity and other religions condemn homosexuality. Now their religions condemn other things but these things are more commonplace so they are less sensitive to them.

2. At least with male homosexuality anti-homosexuals view homosexuality of a refutation of the virtues of masculinity and it is an afront to them that gays embrace what they see as an inferior feminine position.

The second group often don't have a problem with lesbians and even jack off to porno depicting it.

I say that at least half of them are scared that if they see two men kissing, they'll get an erection, and then have to kill themselves. It's all about the repression. I walk around my gym locker room naked all the time and I don't care if a woman checks me out. Because I'm not a repressed lesbian. Doesn't bother me.

Repression cases are real head cases though.

klaatu
08-24-2006, 04:09 PM
its people like you that i can disagree with klaatu and even rip on that make posting worthwile...

you're good people...

:grin:

Damocles
08-24-2006, 04:33 PM
Nah, I think I understand where Dix is coming from. If every "insult" I threw was about how "jewish" you were what would you think of me?

Or, every insult had something to do with "ebonics" or "nappy haired"...

Or, I kept calling you "savage redskin" as an insult...

so on...

for some reason it's okay to insinuate "gay" as an insult, but none of these others?

Dixie - In Memoriam
08-24-2006, 04:51 PM
Dixie, I know you just loved the time you spent with me Last weekend, please be nice and call me. Miss ya kissy kissy.

signed your llittle liberal luvy duvy ....


LMAO.... So, this is supposed to make me angry or something? I'm supposed to get all upset at you for making up a supposed gay affair with me? Or perhaps, it's your attempt to feign tolerance for homosexuality by parodying yourself that way? I don't really understand the purpose, but it is damn funny.

I was born an artist. I have a creativity level that is far greater than the average person, and always have. In my endeavors as an artist, albeit a bit stereotypical, I happen to encounter many gay people, as they are most often, also very creatively gifted. Because of close working relations with homosexuals, I have been assumed gay many times, so it really doesn't bother me. What is insulting to me, is that you think "gayness" is something that would bother someone, because you understand it would certainly bother you.... demonstrated by your "I know I am not a gay man!" statements...I am only "prejudiced" against one type of person, and that is, those who are prejudice and bigoted.

Yes, I will call Rob a gay pejorative to make a point to him, because he needs to realize his own hypocritical prejudices and bigotry sometimes, (like this thread's title, for instance) and a cold slap in the face is often the best, and most efficient way to do that, on a message board... very gratifying sometimes, as well. But, I digress...

The points I make here are not indicative of my personal life in any way, and my opinions are expressed in the context of open and discrete adult discussion, not a constantly professed publicly pronounced viewpoint. I don't walk around Birmingham with a bullhorn, shouting Queers Will All Burn In Hell! Yet, I bet you someone here, thinks that is the kind of person I am, by what I have expressed before, or someones false perception of what I have said. I am called a racist regularly, because my moniker, my state, and past history of the South... this is prejudiced, bigoted, and wrong to do, no matter what your basis is. My personal beliefs might even be far different than what I would choose to argue, articulate and defend here, on the basis of general principle. One thing is for certain, I will defend what I believe in to the hilt. I oppose prejudice and bigotry with a passion, and when I see it in other forms, I will point it out to whoever deserves it.

At the risk of offending T... I have studied Dr. King, and I understand what he envisioned, and how it had to be achieved, and it wasn't by grouping us into categories and forming stereotypical bigoted cultural views toward each other, based on these categories, it was to recognize that we all have equal value as children of God... aka: humans... and we should never allow ourselves to see each other differently.

But I doubt Dr. King knew anything at all about Pinheads.

FUCK THE POLICE
08-24-2006, 09:28 PM
Why do YOU love terrorists?

Brent
08-24-2006, 10:42 PM
Just curious.

Logical fallacy. We don't "hate gay people." As for the folks who beat up / kill gays, they're non-political and non-religious. Do you honestly think Matt Shepherd's killers were conservative Christians? Heck, one of them was gay himself!

AnyOldIron
08-25-2006, 05:07 AM
It seems to me, certain liberals are very quick to throw out the supposed "insult" of being gay, as if that is the worst possible thing they can imagine being called. Funny for a group of people who claim they aren't prejudiced against gays, isn't it?

Calling people gay only works when they are homophobic.

It doesn't mean that saying someone is gay is an insult, just that it is a rhetorical tool to get under the skin of a homophobe.

LadyT
08-25-2006, 06:38 AM
Nah, I think I understand where Dix is coming from. If every "insult" I threw was about how "jewish" you were what would you think of me?

Or, every insult had something to do with "ebonics" or "nappy haired"...

Or, I kept calling you "savage redskin" as an insult...

so on...

for some reason it's okay to insinuate "gay" as an insult, but none of these others?

And I noted that if that were the case it would be a form of bigotry. However, I have serious doubts as to whether or not USC did that as Dixie is claiming.

Damocles
08-25-2006, 06:52 AM
It seems to me, certain liberals are very quick to throw out the supposed "insult" of being gay, as if that is the worst possible thing they can imagine being called. Funny for a group of people who claim they aren't prejudiced against gays, isn't it?

Calling people gay only works when they are homophobic.

It doesn't mean that saying someone is gay is an insult, just that it is a rhetorical tool to get under the skin of a homophobe.

So using "Jew" in an insulting way only would work with Skinheads and therefore doing it makes the person you are "insulting" a Skinhead? Is this your argument really?

uscitizen
08-25-2006, 06:53 AM
It seems to me, certain liberals are very quick to throw out the supposed "insult" of being gay, as if that is the worst possible thing they can imagine being called. Funny for a group of people who claim they aren't prejudiced against gays, isn't it?

Calling people gay only works when they are homophobic.

It doesn't mean that saying someone is gay is an insult, just that it is a rhetorical tool to get under the skin of a homophobe.

You got it AnyOldIron :) Works pretty well too :)

uscitizen
08-25-2006, 06:54 AM
I suppose I could call Rob Gay, would that be a biggoted thing ?

robdastud
08-25-2006, 06:54 AM
damo how old are you?

AnyOldIron
08-25-2006, 06:58 AM
So using "Jew" in an insulting way only would work with Skinheads and therefore doing it makes the person you are "insulting" a Skinhead? Is this your argument really?

With skinhead I would remind him that no European blood is 'pure', that he is highly likely to have Jewish blood in his veins.

Not an insult unless the person being accused rabidly detests Jews.

It wouldn't work on normal people, if I were to tell you that it is highly likely that you have Jewish blood, you are likely to say 'so what'....

Attacking an Achille's heel, that's all it is....

Damocles
08-25-2006, 07:00 AM
damo how old are you?
35.

Dixie - In Memoriam
08-25-2006, 07:02 AM
Calling people gay only works when they are homophobic.

It doesn't mean that saying someone is gay is an insult, just that it is a rhetorical tool to get under the skin of a homophobe.

Nice spin. Virtually any bigoted pejorative you can come up with, is "a rhetorical tool to get under the skin" of whoever you are directing it at. My question is, why do you think being gay is a pejorative? Why do you think it's alright to use "gay" as a pejorative? To me, it doesn't matter why you are doing it, or who you are doing it to, it's bigoted and wrong, regardless of your spin.

The fact that uscitizen felt the most insulting thing he could say, was an inference that someone was homosexual, speaks volumes for how uscitizen views gay people.

Damocles
08-25-2006, 07:02 AM
So using "Jew" in an insulting way only would work with Skinheads and therefore doing it makes the person you are "insulting" a Skinhead? Is this your argument really?

With skinhead I would remind him that no European blood is 'pure', that he is highly likely to have Jewish blood in his veins.

Not an insult unless the person being accused rabidly detests Jews.

It wouldn't work on normal people, if I were to tell you that it is highly likely that you have Jewish blood, you are likely to say 'so what'....

Attacking an Achille's heel, that's all it is....
Difference. In one, nobody referenced the "likelihood" there was a certain percentage of "gay" in the other person. They simply suggested that the other person was gay in a derogatory manner.

Thus a better analogy would be calling somebody a "kike" in the hopes that you'll hit a skinhead and they'll get mad. Then you can say that you only use that word to insult people who are skinheads so it's all good that you use it.

Dixie - In Memoriam
08-25-2006, 07:04 AM
I have serious doubts as to whether or not USC did that as Dixie is claiming.

I posted his actual statement, he admitted he said it. What do you have serious doubts about?

Dixie - In Memoriam
08-25-2006, 07:05 AM
It wouldn't work on normal people

Normal people? Hmmmmmmm?

charver
08-25-2006, 07:07 AM
If we're all going to start taking grave offence at the casual use of words, then damn you, i'm going to join in.

Stop bashing the skinheads, they're not all neo-nazi, jew-baiting thugs you know. Skinhead culture was originally an offshoot of the ska scene and embraced black culture. Bloody yanks.

uscitizen
08-25-2006, 07:22 AM
Yes LadyT I did accuse Dixie of being under a rock with another poster in a lovers clench. I was told to crawl back under my rock, so I told him it was too crowded because he and dixie were already under there in a lovers clench :)
I forget the exact verbage, don't think I mentioned the gay word though. I am too busy this moring to go and look it up.

I have to wonder if it sould be narcissism though as I suspect the other poster is a Dixie clone, but of course no proof on that :)

In any case it zinged dixie far better than I expected.
Have not seen anything from the other poster on it though ???

AnyOldIron
08-25-2006, 07:26 AM
My question is, why do you think being gay is a pejorative? Why do you think it's alright to use "gay" as a pejorative?

Read what I posted for fuck's sake.....


"With skinhead I would remind him that no European blood is 'pure', that he is highly likely to have Jewish blood in his veins.

Not an insult unless the person being accused rabidly detests Jews.

It wouldn't work on normal people, if I were to tell you that it is highly likely that you have Jewish blood, you are likely to say 'so what'....

Attacking an Achille's heel, that's all it is.... "

It is only pejorative to call someone gay if they are a homophobe....

Dixie - In Memoriam
08-25-2006, 07:28 AM
I have to wonder if it sould be narcissism though as I suspect the other poster is a Dixie clone, but of course no proof on that

I'll give Damo permission to confirm it wasn't me. I have no clones, and nothing to hide.

In any case it zinged dixie far better than I expected.

Zinged? Because I yanked your bigoted homophobia out of the closet? Hahah! That's a good one!

AnyOldIron
08-25-2006, 07:33 AM
Difference. In one, nobody referenced the "likelihood" there was a certain percentage of "gay" in the other person.


??? Ok, If I were to say to Skinhead that he DID have Jewish blood in his veins. Again, it is only derogatory if the person is racist. It would only work as an insult if the person is racist???

What don't you understand about that?

They simply suggested that the other person was gay in a derogatory manner.

That's what YOU are stating was the reason...

Thus a better analogy would be calling somebody a "kike" in the hopes that you'll hit a skinhead and they'll get mad. Then you can say that you only use that word to insult people who are skinheads so it's all good that you use it.

No it isn't???? The original analogy fits. If you know that a person is a racist (like Skinhead), then stating that he has another race in his genetic makeup works to wind them up....because their attitude is irrational.

For rational thinkers (what I meant by normal Dixie...) stating that isn't an insult.

The insult is in the eye of the beholder...

Dixie - In Memoriam
08-25-2006, 07:33 AM
Read what I posted for fuck's sake.....

I don't have to read it again, I noted your acceptance of using "rhetorical tools" as pejoratives on people you don't like. I disagree with that, and think it is bigoted and wrong to do, regardless of why you do it or how you excuse it.

Damocles
08-25-2006, 07:33 AM
Gaffer is not a Dixie clone. I have "known" him for years on another board.

AnyOldIron
08-25-2006, 07:35 AM
I don't have to read it again, I noted your acceptance of using "rhetorical tools" as pejoratives on people you don't like. I disagree with that, and think it is bigoted and wrong to do, regardless of why you do it or how you excuse it.

It is only bigotted if you consider being called gay to be an insult....

I wonder why you consider being called gay to be an insult Dixie.....

uscitizen
08-25-2006, 07:35 AM
I have to wonder if it sould be narcissism though as I suspect the other poster is a Dixie clone, but of course no proof on that

I'll give Damo permission to confirm it wasn't me. I have no clones, and nothing to hide.

In any case it zinged dixie far better than I expected.

Zinged? Because I yanked your bigoted homophobia out of the closet? Hahah! That's a good one!

No need for damo to be in this. I accept that the other poster is not a clone. I wonder why he is not raising cain though dixie ?
Hit too close to home on the lovers clinch huh ?

Dixie - In Memoriam
08-25-2006, 07:45 AM
I don't have to read it again, I noted your acceptance of using "rhetorical tools" as pejoratives on people you don't like. I disagree with that, and think it is bigoted and wrong to do, regardless of why you do it or how you excuse it.

It is only bigotted if you consider being called gay to be an insult....

I wonder why you consider being called gay to be an insult Dixie.....

I don't consider being gay an insult, I didn't use it to insult anyone, that was uscitizen. Are you not keeping up? That is precisely why I raised the issue.

AnyOldIron
08-25-2006, 07:51 AM
I don't consider being gay an insult, I didn't use it to insult anyone, that was uscitizen. Are you not keeping up? That is precisely why I raised the issue.

Having comprehension problems today Dixie?

Let's break it down for you..

Calling someone gay is only an insult if that person is homophobic.

If you call a non-homophobic person gay, they will not be insulted and thus it isn't an insult.

An insult is in the eye of the person being insulted...

Thus the skinhead analogy....

Damocles
08-25-2006, 08:05 AM
It's a fascinating discussion on what people are thinking when choosing an insult. If I think being short an insult, I'd be calling people short. If one were tall they couldn't care less. If they were short and cared they might be insulted... If they were short and didn't care at all and in fact liked being short would they be insulted by the fact that I use the term as a perjorative for others?

Would other people who knew short people and worked with them and knew them to be good people be sensitive also to the fact that others are using "short" or descriptive phrases that mean short as a perjorative?

AnyOldIron
08-25-2006, 08:08 AM
Would other people who knew short people and worked with them and knew them to be good people be sensitive also to the fact that others are using "short" or descriptive phrases that mean short as a perjorative?

Depends on the connotation. I wouldn't avoid the word 'short' per se.... for example I wouldn't rename shortbread...

If I knew he is sensitive about it, I wouldn't call him short-arse....

However I know many short people who aren't sensitive who I call short-arse in general banter.

An insult is in the eye etc etc

Dixie - In Memoriam
08-25-2006, 10:41 AM
I don't consider being gay an insult, I didn't use it to insult anyone, that was uscitizen. Are you not keeping up? That is precisely why I raised the issue.

Having comprehension problems today Dixie?

Let's break it down for you..

Calling someone gay is only an insult if that person is homophobic.

If you call a non-homophobic person gay, they will not be insulted and thus it isn't an insult.

An insult is in the eye of the person being insulted...

Thus the skinhead analogy....


I have no problem comprehending, apparently, you do. uscitizen didn't merely call someone "gay" in the response I posted, he used "gayness" as an insult, and directed it at someone for that sole intent and purpose. This is bigotry and prejudice, and it simply doesn't matter how you want to spin it, or how he intended it to come across, or who he directed it at and how they felt about it. I didn't claim that he knowingly made a bigoted remark, I fully understand that he didn't perceive it to be bigoted or prejudiced against gay people, and wasn't attempting to insult homosexuals. People who have underlying prejudice and bigotry, generally don't realize when they display it. This is why I felt compelled to point it out, especially in response to rob's thread question.

uscitizen
08-25-2006, 11:39 AM
People who have underlying prejudice and bigotry, generally don't realize when they display it.
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Like you saying you dont like to do business with Black folks dixie ?

Dixie - In Memoriam
08-25-2006, 11:43 AM
People who have underlying prejudice and bigotry, generally don't realize when they display it.
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Like you saying you dont like to do business with Black folks dixie ?

I never said that. If you are talking about a certain poster's sig, that is a misquote, taken completely out of the 'sarcastic example' context in which it was presented. It demonstrates a total lack of integrity and character of the slanderous person using it, and does not accurately reflect my personal viewpoint in any way.

maineman
08-25-2006, 11:49 AM
one wonders how Dixie could have possibly known what my signature line was if he was, in fact, ignoring me.

hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhaha

bob
08-25-2006, 01:09 PM
Just curious.

well you might be able to answer your own question.. why do you hate holyrollers? the answer too both are probably vary simaler... but thats an assumtion