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IHateGovernment
08-23-2006, 09:30 AM
Many people often ask the question why are Christians picked on more than Muslims or other religions.

Part of the liberal mindset is to defend those who are perceived as weak and attack those who are strong.

One of the main reasons this is done is to deny the false dichotomy of Christianity = good. Islam = bad.

Christianity is followed by a huge majority of our population. It is a fixture of American society and is not threatened in any way by criticism. In general it is viewed in a positive light by most Americans. Some like myself seek to dissuade people from thinking the Christianity is a big rosy picture that is ideal. It isn't.

Islam on the other hand due to recent events is generally villified in our national conscious. We watch the news about terrorists and fanatics in the street shouting death to America and buring American flags.

We have created a good guys vs. bad guys scenario and things are never that simple. Liberal minded people tend to favor a grey view of things saying something is not pure good or evil.

I can assure you that if you transplanted many of the liberal posters here who attack Christianity and defend Islam over to the middle east they would be doing the reverse.

Pretty much it is the seeking to moderate views that is responsible for the anti-Christian pro-Islam impression many have.

uscitizen
08-23-2006, 09:33 AM
Yes IMO we are heading towards a religious war, not a war on terrorism.

Cypress
08-23-2006, 09:35 AM
Many people often ask the question why are Christians picked on more than Muslims or other religions.

Part of the liberal mindset is to defend those who are perceived as weak and attack those who are strong.

One of the main reasons this is done is to deny the false dichotomy of Christianity = good. Islam = bad.

Christianity is followed by a huge majority of our population. It is a fixture of American society and is not threatened in any way by criticism. In general it is viewed in a positive light by most Americans. Some like myself seek to dissuade people from thinking the Christianity is a big rosy picture that is ideal. It isn't.

Islam on the other hand due to recent events is generally villified in our national conscious. We watch the news about terrorists and fanatics in the street shouting death to America and buring American flags.

We have created a good guys vs. bad guys scenario and things are never that simple. Liberal minded people tend to favor a grey view of things saying something is not pure good or evil.

I can assure you that if you transplanted many of the liberal posters here who attack Christianity and defend Islam over to the middle east they would be doing the reverse.

Pretty much it is the seeking to moderate views that is responsible for the anti-Christian pro-Islam impression many have.

There's an element of truth in what you say.

Bottom line: I abhor theocrats of all stripes.

I respect the traditions and philosophies of mainstream christians and muslims, who uphold secular government and the separation of church and state.

Islamic theocrats are a possible terrorist threat to me. Not cool. But, on a day to day basis, Christian theocracy (the rightwing christian attempt to create a nexus of religion and public policy), is a day to day threat to civil rights and the US Constitution.

Damocles
08-23-2006, 09:36 AM
Yes IMO we are heading towards a religious war, not a war on terrorism.
I believe it may be necessary. If we do not fight in this religious war we submit. I'd prefer not to be forced into Islam. They'll kill me anyway, Buddhists aren't even allowed Dhimmitude.

IHateGovernment
08-23-2006, 09:38 AM
I believe it may be necessary. If we do not fight in this religious war we submit. I'd prefer not to be forced into Islam. They'll kill me anyway, Buddhists aren't even allowed Dhimmitude.

Thats not a contingency you would have to be faced with in your life time. Unless you plan on emigrating to Iran.

Damocles
08-23-2006, 09:49 AM
I believe it may be necessary. If we do not fight in this religious war we submit. I'd prefer not to be forced into Islam. They'll kill me anyway, Buddhists aren't even allowed Dhimmitude.

Thats not a contingency you would have to be faced with in your life time. Unless you plan on emigrating to Iran.
If we literally do not fight at all, then I don't think it would take my lifetime. We are fighting, therefore it isn't something I have to worry so much about...

IHateGovernment
08-23-2006, 09:52 AM
I suppose but I don't think it takes as much to stop these people as is thought. I also think a return to neutrality would be helpful. Switzerland doesn't worry about terrorism.

Damocles
08-23-2006, 09:57 AM
I suppose but I don't think it takes as much to stop these people as is thought. I also think a return to neutrality would be helpful. Switzerland doesn't worry about terrorism.


I think a return to nuetrality is almost essential. When you are a Superpower it is foolish to support anybody without regard to their action.... It only causes people to resent you and creates the very problem we face.

Cypress
08-23-2006, 09:57 AM
I suppose but I don't think it takes as much to stop these people as is thought. I also think a return to neutrality would be helpful. Switzerland doesn't worry about terrorism.

There's not a snowball's chance in hell that the United States, Denmark, Austria, and Iceland are going to "forcibly" be converted to islam.

I spent the first decades of my life being lectured on how Soviet communism was going to "forcibly" convert us to communists.

We, of course, won that "fight" with a battle of ideas, and by holding the high moral ground. Not, with guns and bullets.

klaatu
08-23-2006, 10:06 AM
There's not a snowball's chance in hell that the United States, Denmark, Austria, and Iceland are going to "forcibly" be converted to islam.

I spent the first decades of my life being lectured on how Soviet communism was going to "forcibly" convert us to communists.

We, of course, won that "fight" with a battle of ideas, and by holding the high moral ground. Not, with guns and bullets.

Well said ... :nodyes:

uscitizen
08-23-2006, 10:08 AM
I think a return to nuetrality is almost essential. When you are a Superpower it is foolish to support anybody without regard to their action.... It only causes people to resent you and creates the very problem we face.
//

Amen Brother!

leaningright
08-23-2006, 10:21 AM
There's not a snowball's chance in hell that the United States, Denmark, Austria, and Iceland are going to "forcibly" be converted to islam.

I spent the first decades of my life being lectured on how Soviet communism was going to "forcibly" convert us to communists.

We, of course, won that "fight" with a battle of ideas, and by holding the high moral ground. Not, with guns and bullets.

And also with a build up of nuclear arms the likes of which the world has never seen.:)

OrnotBitwise
08-23-2006, 10:33 AM
I still say the thesis that Christianity is "picked on" more than Islam or any other religion is patently absurd. Unless you mean "picked on here" perhaps.

IHateGovernment
08-23-2006, 10:35 AM
I mean here or within other places of discourse among the political cognoscenti.

Damocles
08-23-2006, 10:40 AM
I think it is hard to say that Christians are picked on. In the area I live the nearest gas station is over 10 miles from my house. On the way there I pass by three churches. One less than 2 miles from my house... Those are the ones in separate buildings, some are held in houses and I don't count those. I think it is hard to say that Christians are somehow discriminated against in this culture when you can't hardly throw a rock without accidentally breaking stained glass.

Care4all
08-23-2006, 10:41 AM
Many people often ask the question why are Christians picked on more than Muslims or other religions.

Part of the liberal mindset is to defend those who are perceived as weak and attack those who are strong.

One of the main reasons this is done is to deny the false dichotomy of Christianity = good. Islam = bad.

Christianity is followed by a huge majority of our population. It is a fixture of American society and is not threatened in any way by criticism. In general it is viewed in a positive light by most Americans. Some like myself seek to dissuade people from thinking the Christianity is a big rosy picture that is ideal. It isn't.

Islam on the other hand due to recent events is generally villified in our national conscious. We watch the news about terrorists and fanatics in the street shouting death to America and buring American flags.

We have created a good guys vs. bad guys scenario and things are never that simple. Liberal minded people tend to favor a grey view of things saying something is not pure good or evil.

I can assure you that if you transplanted many of the liberal posters here who attack Christianity and defend Islam over to the middle east they would be doing the reverse.

Pretty much it is the seeking to moderate views that is responsible for the anti-Christian pro-Islam impression many have.

I am a Christian, and have done NONE of the things you have mentioned above....

so why always paint the big brush and include me in on all of this...and others like me, like my parents and sister and neighbors who are Christains and ex-coworkers who were christians.....who actually speak out against the supposed Christians that hate....?

uscitizen
08-23-2006, 10:44 AM
Well said Damocles. they are doing very well to be so picked on. I have never seen an atheistic "church" or whatever it would be called though.
I thought of girly Bars, but they are full of christians :)
Don't believe me just ask the patrons.

IHateGovernment
08-23-2006, 10:44 AM
Care I don't think I outlined a single thing saying what Christian do in this post. I was talking about the American populace as a whole. This was more of a liberal vs. conservative thing and its about perceptions not actions.

LadyT
08-23-2006, 10:45 AM
I am a Christian, and have done NONE of the things you have mentioned above....

so why always paint the big brush and include me in on all of this...and others like me, like my parents and sister and neighbors who are Christains and ex-coworkers who were christians.....who actually speak out against the supposed Christians that hate....?

Ditto.

IHateGovernment
08-23-2006, 10:45 AM
As I said before within the context of political discourse among the intelligent. Not in the public as a whole.

Cypress
08-23-2006, 10:48 AM
I am a Christian, and have done NONE of the things you have mentioned above....

so why always paint the big brush and include me in on all of this...and others like me, like my parents and sister and neighbors who are Christains and ex-coworkers who were christians.....who actually speak out against the supposed Christians that hate....?

We should be more specific, when criticizing christians. Of course, I think most of the criticism is aimed at the theocratic, end-times christians that make up a portion of Bush's base.

My parents are Quakers, and the quakers certainly have nothing to do with wars of choice, defending torture, and imposing biblical law on anyone else.

IHateGovernment
08-23-2006, 10:50 AM
Not talking about what Christians do talking about how Christians are perceived.

uscitizen
08-23-2006, 10:57 AM
Care has a point. there are True Christians and there are people who just say they are Christians, but do whatever they want. And then there are the hater Christians a Rob would call them.
I apologize to any True Christian if I have offended you. I aim my jabs at the hater and ones who just say they are Christian, but don't walk the walk.

OrnotBitwise
08-23-2006, 11:00 AM
Not talking about what Christians do talking about how Christians are perceived.
Perceived by whom? And which Christians?

I have a rule of thumb that I've found very useful. What's more, I've gotten some very enthusiastic responses when I've presented it to others. The thing is that it really does model my emotional reactions quite well.

If someone tells me they're a "Christian" -- or have been "born again" -- within the first half hour of conversation, that's a very bad sign. I tend to have a very negative impression. If, on the other hand, I'm surprised after some days -- or weeks or years -- to discover that someone is also a church-going Christian, I generally take that as a positive thing.

Naturally, it doesn't work in every context. If you first meet the guy in a conversation about religion at a party, for example, all bets are off.

uscitizen
08-23-2006, 11:02 AM
Good point Ornot, convert by example, not bible thumping and fearmongering.

Cancel7
08-23-2006, 11:37 AM
We should be more specific, when criticizing christians. Of course, I think most of the criticism is aimed at the theocratic, end-times christians that make up a portion of Bush's base.

My parents are Quakers, and the quakers certainly have nothing to do with wars of choice, defending torture, and imposing biblical law on anyone else.

True, but IHG was not criticizing Christians in his post.

Not that I see.

Cancel7
08-23-2006, 11:40 AM
Perceived by whom? And which Christians?

I have a rule of thumb that I've found very useful. What's more, I've gotten some very enthusiastic responses when I've presented it to others. The thing is that it really does model my emotional reactions quite well.

If someone tells me they're a "Christian" -- or have been "born again" -- within the first half hour of conversation, that's a very bad sign. I tend to have a very negative impression. If, on the other hand, I'm surprised after some days -- or weeks or years -- to discover that someone is also a church-going Christian, I generally take that as a positive thing.

Naturally, it doesn't work in every context. If you first meet the guy in a conversation about religion at a party, for example, all bets are off.

I think we all need to take a moment and read his original post again. He is talking about Christianity's dominant place in America vs, the minority status of Muslims, and how he feels that Liberals tend to defend the underdog. Here is his post, I see nothing about what Christians do, or how they are perceived, beyond they're being perceived as the dominant religious force in America (which of course, they are, that is inarguable):

Many people often ask the question why are Christians picked on more than Muslims or other religions.

Part of the liberal mindset is to defend those who are perceived as weak and attack those who are strong.

One of the main reasons this is done is to deny the false dichotomy of Christianity = good. Islam = bad.

Christianity is followed by a huge majority of our population. It is a fixture of American society and is not threatened in any way by criticism. In general it is viewed in a positive light by most Americans. Some like myself seek to dissuade people from thinking the Christianity is a big rosy picture that is ideal. It isn't.

Islam on the other hand due to recent events is generally villified in our national conscious. We watch the news about terrorists and fanatics in the street shouting death to America and buring American flags.

We have created a good guys vs. bad guys scenario and things are never that simple. Liberal minded people tend to favor a grey view of things saying something is not pure good or evil.

I can assure you that if you transplanted many of the liberal posters here who attack Christianity and defend Islam over to the middle east they would be doing the reverse.

Pretty much it is the seeking to moderate views that is responsible for the anti-Christian pro-Islam impression many have.

Cancel7
08-23-2006, 11:41 AM
Care has a point. there are True Christians and there are people who just say they are Christians, but do whatever they want. And then there are the hater Christians a Rob would call them.
I apologize to any True Christian if I have offended you. I aim my jabs at the hater and ones who just say they are Christian, but don't walk the walk.


I apolgize to nobody!

You people will get an apolgy from me when you tear it from my cold, dead hand!

Cypress
08-23-2006, 11:48 AM
Perceived by whom? And which Christians?

I have a rule of thumb that I've found very useful. What's more, I've gotten some very enthusiastic responses when I've presented it to others. The thing is that it really does model my emotional reactions quite well.

If someone tells me they're a "Christian" -- or have been "born again" -- within the first half hour of conversation, that's a very bad sign. I tend to have a very negative impression. If, on the other hand, I'm surprised after some days -- or weeks or years -- to discover that someone is also a church-going Christian, I generally take that as a positive thing.

Naturally, it doesn't work in every context. If you first meet the guy in a conversation about religion at a party, for example, all bets are off.

If someone tells me they're a "Christian" -- or have been "born again" -- within the first half hour of conversation, that's a very bad sign. I tend to have a very negative impression

You know what's funny about people like that? I've often found that they doen't evey really understand their own purported religion - particularly the evangelical types.

I've found a lot of these people don't consider Catholics to be "christians". They seem to think catholicism is a whole other religion. And, many of them are equally misinformed about Presbytarians, Quakers, and Protestants generally speaking.

Often, they don't even seem aware that their evangelical church is part of the Prostetant tradition. They don't seem aware that Protestants, are in fact "christians".

uscitizen
08-23-2006, 11:59 AM
I apolgize to nobody!

You people will get an apolgy from me when you tear it from my cold, dead hand!

I am not sure if it applies to anyone on here or not :)
But I do support those who try their best to live a pacifist , peaceful and helping to others life like Christ taught.
I sometimes mess up and will willingly apologize. Well not to dixie, Grind, etc though even if I am wrong. Why apologize to someone who is always wrong ?

Cancel7
08-23-2006, 12:11 PM
I am not sure if it applies to anyone on here or not :)
But I do support those who try their best to live a pacifist , peaceful and helping to others life like Christ taught.
I sometimes mess up and will willingly apologize. Well not to dixie, Grind, etc though even if I am wrong. Why apologize to someone who is always wrong ?


One thing about me is, I am so much for peace, that I will happily beat the living shit out of somebody, if they are not for peace.

I'm a lot like the Jesus lovers that way.

I was just kidding about the apology though. :)

uscitizen
08-23-2006, 12:14 PM
I figured that. Yep no better fun than getting drunk and beating up those young guys in white shirts and black slacks on bicycles :)

IHateGovernment
08-23-2006, 12:23 PM
One thing about me is, I am so much for peace, that I will happily beat the living shit out of somebody, if they are not for peace.

I'm a lot like the Jesus lovers that way.

I was just kidding about the apology though.

Violent Pacification!

Violent Pacification!

Force you to be nice to each other!

Kill you before you kill each other!


I'm just full of songs today.

Cancel7
08-23-2006, 12:25 PM
I like the "Violent Pacification". I should get a t-shirt that says that. Maybe Damo will sell them in his story, along with the Rush Limbaugh pants I want. Wow, I would really be decked out then.

uscitizen
08-23-2006, 12:28 PM
Rush lintballs pants ? do they have a zipper in the rear for those all guy viagra trips ?

Cancel7
08-23-2006, 12:30 PM
Rush lintballs pants ? do they have a zipper in the rear for those all guy viagra trips ?

Uh, no. lol

They have a picture of his face right on the butt, with the words "finally, a perfect match" written right underneath.


But yours is another idea.

Care4all
08-23-2006, 12:44 PM
I apolgize to nobody!

You people will get an apolgy from me when you tear it from my cold, dead hand!



ROFLMAO...hahahahahahahahaha! man oh man, I can't help but just love you Darla! lol... hahahaha! oh gosh! :)

uscitizen
08-23-2006, 12:53 PM
Uh, no. lol

They have a picture of his face right on the butt, with the words "finally, a perfect match" written right underneath.


But yours is another idea.

Hmm, I might wear the version you are talking about, where do you get them ?
can you get them with Chenys face on one cheek and Bush's on the other ?

Cancel7
08-23-2006, 12:53 PM
ROFLMAO...hahahahahahahahaha! man oh man, I can't help but just love you Darla! lol... hahahaha! oh gosh! :)

:)

Cancel7
08-23-2006, 12:55 PM
Hmm, I might wear the version you are talking about, where do you get them ?

I don't know. I made them up in my head, and when Damo asked if there's anything we'd like to buy if he opens a store, I told him about them. I would defintely buy them if someone would make them.

Brent
08-23-2006, 12:55 PM
They do not pick on Islam, or Buddhism, or Hindu, or Jehovah's Witnesses, or Mormonism, or Taoism. They pick on Evangelical Christianity and, sometimes, conservative Catholicism. Why? Simple: these denominations (especially the former) contain the truths of Jesus Christ, His divinity, and the eternal life offered to those who have faith in His name. They hate the truth; they hate the Lord!

Damocles
08-23-2006, 12:55 PM
I like the "Violent Pacification". I should get a t-shirt that says that. Maybe Damo will sell them in his story, along with the Rush Limbaugh pants I want. Wow, I would really be decked out then.

I could actually make one that says that... You just need to tell me which product you want it on and I'll upload one for ya. Do you want to have the logo above it? I don't know if I want JPP associated with such a thing, unless you attribute the quote to somebody...

uscitizen
08-23-2006, 01:00 PM
How about a stupid lefty on the left cheek and a stupid rightie on the right cheek for us mostly in the middle ? Al Frankin and Rush Limpballs ?

uscitizen
08-23-2006, 01:02 PM
Actually I could make it I suppose with the ink jet iron on thingys. hmm wonder if the wife used that pack I got up ?

Cancel7
08-23-2006, 01:13 PM
I could actually make one that says that... You just need to tell me which product you want it on and I'll upload one for ya. Do you want to have the logo above it? I don't know if I want JPP associated with such a thing, unless you attribute the quote to somebody...

LOL.

No, not if you're no comfortable with it, of course not. Is there somewhere I could look at what products are available? I mean, in order to make sense, it would have to be on pants, I was thinking workout pants would be good. Unless you want to start selling panties! Which I doubt, plus, I want people to see them. I mean, some would, if I put it on my panties, these aren't Brent's underwear we're talking about here,you know, which would be the best place to hide something if you didn't want a soul to see it. Still, not that many, I am a demure girl.

So I'd go with the outerwear, for sure.

Cancel7
08-23-2006, 01:14 PM
Actually I could make it I suppose with the ink jet iron on thingys. hmm wonder if the wife used that pack I got up ?

Good idea usc!

uscitizen
08-23-2006, 01:20 PM
LOL.

No, not if you're no comfortable with it, of course not. Is there somewhere I could look at what products are available? I mean, in order to make sense, it would have to be on pants, I was thinking workout pants would be good. Unless you want to start selling panties! Which I doubt, plus, I want people to see them. I mean, some would, if I put it on my panties, these aren't Brent's underwear we're talking about here,you know, which would be the best place to hide something if you didn't want a soul to see it. Still, not that many, I am a demure girl.

So I'd go with the outerwear, for sure.

Yeah such a nice quiet demure lady :)
But I like ya anyway ...or perhaps because....

uscitizen
08-23-2006, 01:22 PM
I wonder if I put my avitar image on a hat would it be considered obscene ?

Cancel7
08-23-2006, 01:23 PM
I wonder if I put my avitar image on a hat would it be considered obscene ?


LOL

I don't know, it would be funny if you get ticketed for it though.

uscitizen
08-23-2006, 01:26 PM
Yep, I think I would take that to court for the publicity :)

Damocles
08-23-2006, 01:47 PM
LOL.

No, not if you're no comfortable with it, of course not. Is there somewhere I could look at what products are available? I mean, in order to make sense, it would have to be on pants, I was thinking workout pants would be good. Unless you want to start selling panties! Which I doubt, plus, I want people to see them. I mean, some would, if I put it on my panties, these aren't Brent's underwear we're talking about here,you know, which would be the best place to hide something if you didn't want a soul to see it. Still, not that many, I am a demure girl.

So I'd go with the outerwear, for sure.

Yes, go to the store link under "links" on the Navbar...

Damocles
08-23-2006, 01:48 PM
Oh, and I can make thong panties available....

Cancel7
08-23-2006, 01:51 PM
Oh, and I can make thong panties available....

How am I going to fit his big fat face on a thong? As it is, it's going to have to be shrunken down to the point that no one may reconize him!

OrnotBitwise
08-23-2006, 01:53 PM
Yep, I think I would take that to court for the publicity :)
It should have the caption "Dubya (to Nation):".

Cancel7
08-23-2006, 01:53 PM
Oh, the women's track suit totally, in pink. It's perfect. Can you really do it?

Damocles
08-23-2006, 01:57 PM
I was talking about the one that has "Peace Through Violence" or whatever it was you had it saying. R. Limbaugh's face? I can put it on a shirt but I don't think they print on the seat of pants... I haven't seen that available at all.

:D

Damocles
08-23-2006, 01:59 PM
Ah, here it is:

Violent Pacification!

I'd prefer that it was attributed to the songwriter so that it isn't thought that the site itself is "for" that. The site takes no positions on anything....

Cancel7
08-23-2006, 02:01 PM
I was talking about the one that has "Peace Through Violence" or whatever it was you had it saying. R. Limbaugh's face? I can put it on a shirt but I don't think they print on the seat of pants... I haven't seen that available at all.

:D


Oh, shit, alright.

Pacification through violence. Yeah, maybe I will get that, I didn't even know you had the store up yet. Cool.

I should save the Rush Limbaugh idea for when I do my gunschrist right wing loon blog, then I can sell them there, but I'll have to figure out someway for him to link to them in a rant. I have another even better idea, involving a patch, but, as my mother is always trying to tell me, no need to give it away girl, men are willing to pay for it. lol no, she never said that, I swear.

Cancel7
08-23-2006, 02:01 PM
Ah, here it is:

Violent Pacification!

I'd prefer that it was attributed to the songwriter so that it isn't thought that the site itself is "for" that. The site takes no positions on anything....

That's a very brave stance Damo!

uscitizen
08-23-2006, 02:16 PM
Oh, shit, alright.

Pacification through violence. Yeah, maybe I will get that, I didn't even know you had the store up yet. Cool.

I should save the Rush Limbaugh idea for when I do my gunschrist right wing loon blog, then I can sell them there, but I'll have to figure out someway for him to link to them in a rant. I have another even better idea, involving a patch, but, as my mother is always trying to tell me, no need to give it away girl, men are willing to pay for it. lol no, she never said that, I swear.

Mothers dont say that to their daughters, but they get the message accross :)

Cancel7
08-23-2006, 02:19 PM
Mothers dont say that to their daughters, but they get the message accross :)


LOL. Nah, my mother would kill me if she ever heard me say that.

uscitizen
08-23-2006, 02:35 PM
You or her are not supposed to actually say it, just know it :)

uscitizen
08-23-2006, 02:36 PM
Darla, you mentioned your friends would stop hanging out with you. But I'll bet if asked the question if they were a Christian or not ..................
Or perhaps if they believe in god....

AnyOldIron
08-24-2006, 01:53 AM
Christianity is being attacked because it is the dominant and pervasive religion in the US and it is the biggest single religion in the UK.

It therefore interferes in people in the west's lives more than any other religion and is thus a target.

Personally I see all religions as equally ridiculous and if anyone could find a Muslim/Hindu/Sikh etc etc to come on here to chat then I'm sure we can spread the balance....

klaatu
08-24-2006, 07:25 AM
I apolgize to nobody!

You people will get an apolgy from me when you tear it from my cold, dead hand!


Thats showing a real good sign Darla .. and I feel sorry for the one that has to wake up beside you every morning ...

BRUTALITOPS
08-25-2006, 04:42 PM
I did an experiment over at politics.com way back.

Someone started a long thread blasting christianity and how it was wrong, bad etc... virtually everyone agreed with it and said nothing negetive of the initial post.

So I took that thread, and replaced all mentions of "christianity" with "islam"

Other than that, everything else remained the same....

(this was maybe a few months after the original post)

Some of the SAME people that agreed with the initial post began attacking me and my 'viewpoints' regarding that matter.

So in conclusion, there is an enormous bias against christianity.

- Grind

Brent
08-25-2006, 04:52 PM
I did an experiment over at politics.com way back.

Someone started a long thread blasting christianity and how it was wrong, bad etc... virtually everyone agreed with it and said nothing negetive of the initial post.

So I took that thread, and replaced all mentions of "christianity" with "islam"

Other than that, everything else remained the same....

(this was maybe a few months after the original post)

Some of the SAME people that agreed with the initial post began attacking me and my 'viewpoints' regarding that matter.

So in conclusion, there is an enormous bias against christianity.

- Grind

Because Christianity is true.

FUCK THE POLICE
08-26-2006, 09:13 PM
They do not pick on Islam, or Buddhism, or Hindu, or Jehovah's Witnesses, or Mormonism, or Taoism. They pick on Evangelical Christianity and, sometimes, conservative Catholicism. Why? Simple: these denominations (especially the former) contain the truths of Jesus Christ, His divinity, and the eternal life offered to those who have faith in His name. They hate the truth; they hate the Lord!

You're annoying.

BRUTALITOPS
08-27-2006, 09:50 AM
I am not sure if it applies to anyone on here or not :)
Well not to dixie, Grind, etc though even if I am wrong. Why apologize to someone who is always wrong ?

I'm always wrong? Even if you are wrong, I am wrong too?

uscitizen
08-28-2006, 06:51 AM
Sure Grind we can both be wrong. Do you think there are only 2 answers to a question ? This is a write in answer type of thing :)

You really should get away from the this or that bianry logic.
Go analog.

Damocles
08-28-2006, 06:55 AM
I'll settle this... You are both always wrong unless you are agreeing with me.

uscitizen
08-28-2006, 07:10 AM
I'll settle this... You are both always wrong unless you are agreeing with me.

:)
good one Damo.

BRUTALITOPS
08-28-2006, 04:29 PM
I agree with damo more than uscitizen agrees with damo.

QED.

Agnosticus_Caesar
01-01-2007, 02:25 AM
There is a difference between a religioud Christian, and a Theocratic Christian.

Agnosticus_Caesar
01-01-2007, 02:26 AM
I rarely have a problem, politically, with Christians...unless they are theocrats.

Damocles
01-01-2007, 02:43 AM
Christians are rarely Theocrats. Just as Buddhists are rarely Theocrats...

Agnosticus_Caesar
01-01-2007, 01:02 PM
I agree. Christians are rarely Theocrats, but there are enough that are to cause very annoying problems in government.

Likewise, even those that have Theocratic streaks are rarely as completely self absorbed and irrational as Brent.

AnyOldIron
01-02-2007, 05:04 AM
It is difficult to recognise the ridiculousness of Christianity without recognising the ridiculousness of all the other religions.

Christians tend to moan more than minority religions, simply because they are the biggest target.

I wouldn't defend an underdog religion if it contains the same babble as majority religion.

Criticising equally is the only option...

uscitizen
01-02-2007, 07:21 AM
Persecution is a need in the Christian religion.

Hermes Thoth
08-05-2007, 08:57 AM
I suppose but I don't think it takes as much to stop these people as is thought. I also think a return to neutrality would be helpful. Switzerland doesn't worry about terrorism.

Yeah. We do their fighting.

Hermes Thoth
08-05-2007, 08:58 AM
Persecution is a need in the Christian religion.



Could you please explain your assininity?

OrnotBitwise
08-05-2007, 09:38 AM
Christians are rarely Theocrats. Just as Buddhists are rarely Theocrats...
Even if only a small percentage of Christians -- and by "Christian" I mean anyone who calls himself or herself a Christian; I take no sides -- are theocratically inclined, that's still a very large number of people. Worse, that particular group has gained a disproportionate share of power and influence in the past 25 years or so.

The good news is, as I've said before, I think they've already passed their high water mark. Their power now is ebbing, albeit slowly.

doniston
08-05-2007, 09:47 AM
Could you please explain your assininity? Perhaps he just needed something to talk about ---hence the resurection. The board is rather slow lately.

Hermes Thoth
08-05-2007, 09:56 AM
Perhaps he just needed something to talk about ---hence the resurection. The board is rather slow lately.

Saying things just to fill silence is an indicator of cretinism.

Hermes Thoth
08-05-2007, 09:57 AM
Well, it's hot here in the south today. Damn.

OrnotBitwise
08-05-2007, 09:59 AM
Could you please explain your assininity?Maybe uscitizen can explain why you're so deluded as to find the truth asinine. I'm at a loss, myself.

Anyone who honestly thinks that Chirstians are persecuted for their religious beliefs here in the Western world displays stupidity worthy of a retarded ass. Such a person is so far into that great river in Egypt that he probably ought to wear scuba gear constantly. Christianity is so strongly dominant in Europe and North America that any claim to minority status for the creed is absurd on its face. This is unfortunate from the point of view of many Christians because, as uscitizen has pointed out, there is a need for persecution built into modern Christianity.

Much of the mythological underpining of Christianity is founded on the notion of persecution. Not surprising, considering the history of the early church. Actually, it may just be their Jewish heritage at that. Whichever may be true, the myth of the put-upon Christian, discriminated against in his own land, remains central to many Christians' conception of their faith.

There are, of course, certain fringe sects within Christianity whose members are indeed persecuted for their beliefs. This is generally due to the fact that their beliefs are perverted and grotesque. These ugly little bad seeds, though, don'r really reflect on Christianity as a whole: in any crop so very large and geographically diverse, you're inevitably going to find a certain number of wierdly distorted fruits.

doniston
08-05-2007, 10:25 AM
Saying things just to fill silence is an indicator of cretinism. SO???? we aren't "ALL" perfect (like you or I, for instance :rolleyes: )

Hermes Thoth
08-05-2007, 11:19 AM
SO???? we aren't "ALL" perfect (like you or I, for instance :rolleyes: )

The Perfect is the enemy of the marginally suitable.

FUCK THE POLICE
08-05-2007, 12:28 PM
Maybe uscitizen can explain why you're so deluded as to find the truth asinine. I'm at a loss, myself.

Anyone who honestly thinks that Chirstians are persecuted for their religious beliefs here in the Western world displays stupidity worthy of a retarded ass. Such a person is so far into that great river in Egypt that he probably ought to wear scuba gear constantly. Christianity is so strongly dominant in Europe and North America that any claim to minority status for the creed is absurd on its face. This is unfortunate from the point of view of many Christians because, as uscitizen has pointed out, there is a need for persecution built into modern Christianity.

Much of the mythological underpining of Christianity is founded on the notion of persecution. Not surprising, considering the history of the early church. Actually, it may just be their Jewish heritage at that. Whichever may be true, the myth of the put-upon Christian, discriminated against in his own land, remains central to many Christians' conception of their faith.

There are, of course, certain fringe sects within Christianity whose members are indeed persecuted for their beliefs. This is generally due to the fact that their beliefs are perverted and grotesque. These ugly little bad seeds, though, don'r really reflect on Christianity as a whole: in any crop so very large and geographically diverse, you're inevitably going to find a certain number of wierdly distorted fruits.

Watermark's sunday school whenever he was ten:

OK, class, raise your hand if you think that Christianity will one day be persecuted like in Rome in the USA?

(Everyoen raises their hand, including WM)

Hermes Thoth
08-05-2007, 03:12 PM
Watermark's sunday school whenever he was ten:

OK, class, raise your hand if you think that Christianity will one day be persecuted like in Rome in the USA?

(Everyoen raises their hand, including WM)



I believe it will be.

uscitizen
08-05-2007, 06:22 PM
Could you please explain your assininity?

Never spent much time in church have you ? You would understand if you had.

uscitizen
08-05-2007, 06:24 PM
Christians are rarely Theocrats. Just as Buddhists are rarely Theocrats...

Umm I think history proves that Christians are quite often theocratic in nature, and Buddhists are rarely so as you said.

Gunny
08-05-2007, 06:43 PM
There's not a snowball's chance in hell that the United States, Denmark, Austria, and Iceland are going to "forcibly" be converted to islam.

I spent the first decades of my life being lectured on how Soviet communism was going to "forcibly" convert us to communists.

We, of course, won that "fight" with a battle of ideas, and by holding the high moral ground. Not, with guns and bullets.

We won "that fight" because the Soviet Union imploded.

If we do not wake up, we will lose the next one by implosion.

evince
08-05-2007, 06:53 PM
yes they lost because their form of government was unsustainable.

Democracy is sustainable IF we can retain it from the scum who are currently trying to subvert it?

The Bush admin.

Damocles
08-05-2007, 06:57 PM
yes they lost because their form of government was unsustainable.

Democracy is sustainable IF we can retain it from the scum who are currently trying to subvert it?

The Bush admin.
It is sustainable so long as we can keep people's greedy paws off our money.

uscitizen
08-05-2007, 06:58 PM
We won "that fight" because the Soviet Union imploded.

If we do not wake up, we will lose the next one by implosion.

Yep an implosion created by the Bushists and neolites.

Hermes Thoth
08-05-2007, 07:10 PM
Never spent much time in church have you ? You would understand if you had.

I have actually, as a kid. I still don't understand what the f you're talking about.

uscitizen
08-05-2007, 07:16 PM
Look back up to Ornots post, he said it much better than I could.

My knowledge was gained in over 16 yrs of church attendance in 3 different denominations. and from discussions recently with theologians at the local seminary. Very interesting conversations. Seminary taught preachers do understand far more than they preach to the congreagations.

Hermes Thoth
08-05-2007, 07:19 PM
Look back up to Ornots post, he said it much better than I could.

My knowledge was gained in over 16 yrs of church attendance in 3 different denominations. and from discussions recently with theologians at the local seminary. Very interesting conversations. Seminary taught preachers do understand far more than they preach to the congreagations.

DId they try to cop a feel?

Damocles
08-05-2007, 07:20 PM
I still believe the premise of the thread is hilarious. Here in the boondocks, the nearest gas station being about 15 miles away, there are three churches between here and that gas station. There is no fricking way that christians are getting 'picked on'.

uscitizen
08-05-2007, 07:26 PM
DId they try to cop a feel?

Nope, just control my mind and life.

Hermes Thoth
08-05-2007, 07:27 PM
I still believe the premise of the thread is hilarious. Here in the boondocks, the nearest gas station being about 15 miles away, there are three churches between here and that gas station. There is no fricking way that christians are getting 'picked on'.


No. They definitely are, relative to other religions. Christians are expected to be silent about their beliefs while our public spaces must be modified to accomodate muslims. And everyone gets uptight about offending muslims, but christ can be covered with feces and displayed as art, and christians who complain are ridiculed. If you can't see the double standard, it's just cuz you're trying to win favor with board libs.

Damocles
08-05-2007, 07:31 PM
Please, walk through any airport and there is always at least one chapel, even the small ones, for you Christians to congregate in. It is the Buddhist and the Muslim that are supposed to just be happy with the head.

Hermes Thoth
08-05-2007, 07:37 PM
Please, walk through any airport and there is always at least one chapel, even the small ones, for you Christians to congregate in. It is the Buddhist and the Muslim that are supposed to just be happy with the head.

# of chapels is not a sig fig. The key is: TO what degree can the group be maligned and mistreated with impunity? Christians can be mocked mercilessly, Islam must be treated with respect. That's a double standard.

uscitizen
08-05-2007, 07:39 PM
No. They definitely are, relative to other religions. Christians are expected to be silent about their beliefs while our public spaces must be modified to accomodate muslims. And everyone gets uptight about offending muslims, but christ can be covered with feces and displayed as art, and christians who complain are ridiculed. If you can't see the double standard, it's just cuz you're trying to win favor with board libs.

yeah sure, just try proclaiming yourself as an atheist in the bible belt. Around here you would get no jobs, etc and might be killed.

Damocles
08-05-2007, 07:40 PM
Mistreated? Seriously, you can't hardly throw a rock without hitting a church. They hold an strong coalition of the government, even the "Christian Left" has more power than they should. When people complain about not being included on WalMart's website they immediately change it.

Seriously, when you know what it is actually like to be part of a minority religion then you can talk to me about this, otherwise call a Wahmbulance and cry to your emergency shrink who will probably tell you to shut up.

The persecution syndrome constantly presented by Christians in a nation full of Christians is simply disingenuous rubbish designed to keep more people in their pews.

Hermes Thoth
08-05-2007, 07:43 PM
Mistreated? Seriously, you can't hardly throw a rock without hitting a church. They hold an strong coalition of the government, even the "Christian Left" has more power than they should. When people complain about not being included on WalMart's website they immediately change it.

Seriously, when you know what it is actually like to be part of a minority religion then you can talk to me about this, otherwise call a Wahmbulance and cry to your emergency shrink who will probably tell you to shut up.

The persecution syndrome constantly presented by Christians in a nation full of Christians is simply disingenuous rubbish designed to keep more people in their pews.


Again. Number of churches is not a meaningful indicator. What is relevant is the double standard I mentioned previously. It's socially acceptable to publicly mock and malign christians, but it's considered wrong to discuss other religions in a similar fashion. That double standard is part of the national brainwash regimen. you lose again. Go ahead, huff and puff some more.:clink:

uscitizen
08-05-2007, 07:46 PM
AHZ saying anything against Christians here gets you in big trouble!

Ever wonder why more people did not jump on robertson and foulwell for blaming Gays and stuff for 911 ?

What would have happened had Bill Clinton said the same thing ?

Hermes Thoth
08-05-2007, 07:52 PM
AHZ saying anything against Christians here gets you in big trouble!

Ever wonder why more people did not jump on robertson and foulwell for blaming Gays and stuff for 911 ?

What would have happened had Bill Clinton said the same thing ?

I think most people who call themselves christians are quite wrong and deluded. But that's not actually the message of christ, it's a perversion. Yes, it's been perverted a long time.


But if one merely considers the basic narrative of the bible, the message is clear. The layers and layers of pontification and perversion have had a destructive effect, but the pearl of wisdom is there. Jesus was nearly a renunciant, an anti-materialist, what today we would consider to be something of an eastern philosophy, like buddhism.

uscitizen
08-05-2007, 09:38 PM
I think most people who call themselves christians are quite wrong and deluded. But that's not actually the message of christ, it's a perversion. Yes, it's been perverted a long time.


But if one merely considers the basic narrative of the bible, the message is clear. The layers and layers of pontification and perversion have had a destructive effect, but the pearl of wisdom is there. Jesus was nearly a renunciant, an anti-materialist, what today we would consider to be something of an eastern philosophy, like buddhism.

Strange that he hung out with upper middle class folks then. Owning a boat in those times was not common.
But then someone who did not work would have to have someone to support them.

Damocles
08-05-2007, 10:12 PM
Again. Number of churches is not a meaningful indicator. What is relevant is the double standard I mentioned previously. It's socially acceptable to publicly mock and malign christians, but it's considered wrong to discuss other religions in a similar fashion. That double standard is part of the national brainwash regimen. you lose again. Go ahead, huff and puff some more.:clink:
It is an extremely valid indicator of how accepted Christians are in our society. When you can't walk through a major airport without seeing three chapels, when you can't even drive through the boondocks where I live without seeing a myriad of churches, when you see movies based on their beliefs constantly displayed, when it is assumed you will understand much of the content in the movies without explanation...

Blah, blah.

There are about a million different little things that permeate our lives that are pro-christian, so much so that when one little thing doesn't go their way they are crying like the smallest children without regard to actual evidence it makes those of us in minority religions have just a bit of schadenfreude.

uscitizen
08-05-2007, 11:24 PM
I have not heard anyone making fun of people for praying for the victims of the bridge collapse.....

uscitizen
08-06-2007, 12:07 AM
MANCHESTER, Kentucky (AP) -- John Becknell enters the courtroom and finds his usual spot in the front row, just behind the prosecutor's table.

Becknell -- a devout Christian known to many as "Brother John" -- pulls out a pen and an inch-thick docket, mostly of drug and alcohol cases. For the next three hours, he takes diligent notes on the judge's actions, the attendance of police officers, repeat offenders making another appearance, and so on.

The purpose? To make sure drug offenders in eastern Kentucky are getting what they deserve.

Frustrated with widespread drug abuse -- especially of easily accessible prescription painkillers -- a handful of mountain churches are moving away from their traditional role as a refuge for the poor and addicted. Now they're more interested in law enforcement.

The Community Church of Manchester is leading the way through "Court Watch," a program in which volunteers attend court hearings to monitor judges overseeing drug-related cases.

"It's kind of a new position and very controversial," said Becknell, who also runs his church's local Christian television station. "A lot of churches shun getting involved in politics or going to court."

The Rev. Doug Abner, pastor at Community Church -- whose slogan for a 2004 anti-drug march was "get saved or get busted" -- said the presence of Court Watch volunteers puts "mild pressure" on judges "to do the right thing." The volunteers collect information for a database and look for trends in drug crimes.

for full story:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/LIVING/wayoflife/07/18/christian.watchers.ap/index.html

Hermes Thoth
08-06-2007, 05:00 AM
MANCHESTER, Kentucky (AP) -- John Becknell enters the courtroom and finds his usual spot in the front row, just behind the prosecutor's table.

Becknell -- a devout Christian known to many as "Brother John" -- pulls out a pen and an inch-thick docket, mostly of drug and alcohol cases. For the next three hours, he takes diligent notes on the judge's actions, the attendance of police officers, repeat offenders making another appearance, and so on.

The purpose? To make sure drug offenders in eastern Kentucky are getting what they deserve.

Frustrated with widespread drug abuse -- especially of easily accessible prescription painkillers -- a handful of mountain churches are moving away from their traditional role as a refuge for the poor and addicted. Now they're more interested in law enforcement.

The Community Church of Manchester is leading the way through "Court Watch," a program in which volunteers attend court hearings to monitor judges overseeing drug-related cases.

"It's kind of a new position and very controversial," said Becknell, who also runs his church's local Christian television station. "A lot of churches shun getting involved in politics or going to court."

The Rev. Doug Abner, pastor at Community Church -- whose slogan for a 2004 anti-drug march was "get saved or get busted" -- said the presence of Court Watch volunteers puts "mild pressure" on judges "to do the right thing." The volunteers collect information for a database and look for trends in drug crimes.

for full story:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/LIVING/wayoflife/07/18/christian.watchers.ap/index.html


Wanting to enforce drug laws is not theocracy, you ignorant douche. I don't think jesus's position on drugs was very well documented. Is it just that christians have no right to participate in public life? Why are you such a nazi?

uscitizen
08-06-2007, 08:35 AM
Me a Nazi ? wow......

There is a bit more in that article too AHZ.