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Blackwater Lunchbreak
08-03-2007, 05:26 PM
The Plan to Involve America in World War 1


http://www.threeworldwars.com/world-war-1/ww1.htm
The Plan to Involve America in World War 1
The pressure to involve the American government started in 1909, long before the actual assassination of the Archduke.

Norman Dodd, former director of the Committee to Investigate Tax Exempt Foundations of the U.S. House of Representatives, testified that the Committee was invited to study the minutes of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace as part of the Committee's investigation. The Committee stated: "The trustees of the Foundation brought up a single question. If it is desirable to alter the life of an entire people, is there any means more efficient than war.... They discussed this question... for a year and came up with an answer: There are no known means more efficient than war, assuming the objective is altering the life of an entire people. That leads them to a question: How do we involve the United States in a war. This is in 1909."

So the decision was made to involve the United States in a war so that the "life of the entire people could be altered." This was the conclusion of a foundation supposedly committed to "peace."

The method by which the United States was drawn into the war started on October 25, 1911, when Winston Churchill was appointed the First Lord of the Admiralty in England.

Winston Churchill is an interesting individual, as he later came to the conclusion that there was indeed a master conspiracy at work in the major events of the world, when he wrote the following in 1920: "From the days of Spartacus—Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, to those of Trotsky (Russia)... this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization... has been steadily growing."

The second key appointment made during the pre-war period was the appointment of Franklin Delano Roosevelt as Assistant Secretary of the Navy by President Woodrow Wilson.

Roosevelt is also on record as concluding that there was a conspiracy, at least in the United States. He once wrote to Colonel Edward Mandell House: "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson, and I am not wholly excepting the administration of W.W. (Woodrow Wilson.) The country is going through a repetition of Jackson's fight with the Bank of the United States—only on a far bigger and broader basis."



The Sinking of the Lusitania
The next step in the maneuvering of the United States into the war came when the Cunard Lines, owner of the ocean liner, the Lusitania, turned the ship over to the First Lord of the Admiralty, Winston Churchill. It now became a ship of the English Navy and was under the control of the English government.

The ship was sent to New York City where it was loaded with six million rounds of ammunition, owned by J.P. Morgan & Co., to be sold to England and France to aid in their war against Germany.

It was known that the very wealthy were interested in involving the American government in that war, and Secretary of State William Jennings Bryan was one who made note of this. "As Secretary [Bryan] had anticipated, the large banking interests were deeply interested in the World War because of wide opportunities for large profits. On August 3, 1914, even before the actual clash of arms, the French firm of Rothschild Freres cabled to Morgan and Company in New York suggesting the flotation of a loan of $100,000,000, a substantial part of which was to be left in the United States, to pay for French purchases of American goods."

England broke the German war code on December 14, 1914, so that "By the end of January, 1915, [British Intelligence was] able to advise the Admiralty of the departure of each U-boat as it left for patrol...."

This meant that the First Lord of the Admiralty, Winston Churchill, knew where every U-boat was in the vicinity of the English Channel that separated England and France.

The ocean liner was set to sail to England already at war with Germany. The German government had placed advertisements in the New York newspapers warning the American people considering whether or not to sail with the ship to England that they would be sailing into a war zone, and that the liner could be sunk.

Secretary Bryan promised that "he would endeavor to persuade the President (Woodrow Wilson) publicly to warn the Americans not to travel [aboard the Lusitania]. No such warning was issued by the President, but there can be no doubt that President Wilson was told of the character of the cargo destined for the Lusitania. He did nothing... ."

Even though Wilson proclaimed America's neutrality in the European War, in accordance with the prior admonitions of George Washington, his government was secretly plotting to involve the American people by having the Lusitania sunk. This was made public in the book The Intimate Papers of Colonel House, written by a supporter of the Colonel, who recorded a conversation between Colonel House and Sir Edward Grey of England, the Foreign Secretary of England:

Grey: What will America do if the Germans sink an ocean liner with American passengers on board?

House: I believe that a flame of indignation would sweep the United States and that by itself would be sufficient to carry us into the war.

On May 7, 1915, the Lusitania was sunk off the coast of County Cork, Ireland by a U-boat after it had slowed to await the arrival of the English escort vessel, the Juno, which was intended to escort it into the English port. The First Lord of the Admiralty, Winston Churchill, issued orders that the Juno was to return to port, and the Lusitania sat alone in the channel. Because Churchill knew of the presence of three U-boats in the vicinity, it is reasonable to presume that he had planned for the Lusitania to be sunk, and it was. 1201 people lost their lives in the sinking.

This sinking has been described by Colin Simpson, the author of a book entitled The Lusitania, as "the foulest act of wilful murder ever committed on the seas."

But the event was not enough to enable President Wilson to declare war against the German government, and the conspirators changed tactics. They would use other means to get the American people involved in the war, as the "flame of indignation" did not sweep the United States as had been planned.

Robert Lansing, the Assistant Secretary of State, is on record as stating: "We must educate the public gradually — draw it along to the point where it will be willing to go into the war."

After the sinking of the Lusitania, two inquiries were held, one by the English government, in June, 1915, and one by the American government in 1918. Mr. Simpson has written that "Both sets of archives... contain meager information. There are substantial differences of fact in the two sets of papers and in many cases it is difficult to accept that the files relate to the same vessel."

But in both inquiries, the conclusions were the same: torpedoes and not exploding ammunition sank the Lusitania, because there was no ammunition aboard. The cover-up was now official.

But there have been critics of these inquiries. One was, of course, the book written by Colin Simpson, who did the research necessary to write his book in the original minutes of the two inquiries.

The Los Angeles Times reviewed Mr. Simpson's book and concluded: "The Lusitania proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the British government connived at the sinking of the passenger ship in order to lure America into World War I. The Germans, whose torpedo struck the liner, were the unwitting accomplices or victims of a plot probably concocted by Winston Churchill."

President Wilson was seeking re-election in 1916. He campaigned on his record of "keeping us out of the War" during his first term of office from 1912 to 1916.

uscitizen
08-03-2007, 05:57 PM
umm that was even before my time, and I don't give a rats ass.

Blackwater Lunchbreak
08-04-2007, 06:12 AM
umm that was even before my time, and I don't give a rats ass.

How proud you must be of your willful ignorance.

doniston
08-04-2007, 10:42 AM
I'm .with USC, I couldn't care les about what happened way back when. I prefer to delve into the present (and possible future)

Damocles
08-04-2007, 11:04 AM
umm that was even before my time, and I don't give a rats ass.
So the goal is to ignore history and thus repeat it?

Blackwater Lunchbreak
08-05-2007, 08:45 AM
I'm .with USC, I couldn't care les about what happened way back when. I prefer to delve into the present (and possible future)

Are you proud of YOUR willful ignorance?

uscitizen
08-05-2007, 06:43 PM
So the goal is to ignore history and thus repeat it?

Nope, But it is basic human nature to repeat our mistakes and I will not butt my head against that wall.
Kinda useless.
I try to not repeat mistakes for myself, but darned if I will waste time on people that re-elected GWB for instance.

Have at it if you want.
Does things like this get our school history books changed ?

Blackwater Lunchbreak
08-05-2007, 07:14 PM
Nope, But it is basic human nature to repeat our mistakes and I will not butt my head against that wall.
Kinda useless.
I try to not repeat mistakes for myself, but darned if I will waste time on people that re-elected GWB for instance.

Have at it if you want.
Does things like this get our school history books changed ?


Your defeatism and negativism isn't cool. It's actually an act of hostility against future generations to be this cynical. Your heart is black.

uscitizen
08-05-2007, 07:19 PM
Ohh my heart is too kind and soft for my own good. I try to avoid situations where I am likely to get roped into doing good deeds. I have a full platter already.
That pressure has increased as my funds increased. Must be on a bleeding hearts list....

btw AHZ I see myself as more of a realist than a defeatist. I realize the limitations I have.
And I never really was into charging windmills and such.

If you think I am a defeatist for not enlisting in your paranoid causes, well that is your problem not mine.

Blackwater Lunchbreak
08-06-2007, 04:48 AM
Ohh my heart is too kind and soft for my own good. I try to avoid situations where I am likely to get roped into doing good deeds. I have a full platter already.
That pressure has increased as my funds increased. Must be on a bleeding hearts list....

btw AHZ I see myself as more of a realist than a defeatist. I realize the limitations I have.
And I never really was into charging windmills and such.

If you think I am a defeatist for not enlisting in your paranoid causes, well that is your problem not mine.


That's fine, just don't project your own impotence onto everyone else.

uscitizen
08-06-2007, 08:49 AM
That's fine, just don't project your own impotence onto everyone else.


I have never needed Viagra or any weenie pills. No impotence here :D

Blackwater Lunchbreak
08-06-2007, 03:29 PM
I have never needed Viagra or any weenie pills. No impotence here :D
but who could tell?

(Nope)...

Damocles
08-06-2007, 05:27 PM
AHZ, no nudie pictures.

Blackwater Lunchbreak
08-06-2007, 05:45 PM
AHZ, no nudie pictures.

Sorry man. I knew it was and I won't do it again. That was more comedy than porn though, really. LOL.

Damocles
08-06-2007, 05:50 PM
Sorry man. I knew it was and I won't do it again. That was more comedy than porn though, really. LOL.
No prob.

doniston
08-06-2007, 06:49 PM
Are you proud of YOUR willful ignorance? If I had any of that, I might be. But you see, Just because I don't talk up your game. doesn't mean I am ignorant of it. As for Damo's question" (quote) so the goal is to ignore history and thus repeat it? 9unquote) It doesn't need to be ignored to recognize it, and besides, that's an old wives tale. History seldom repeats itself. It just makes NEW history.

doniston
08-06-2007, 06:54 PM
That's fine, just don't project your own impotence onto everyone else. That's quite the opposite and called "Stick-to-it-ivity" I don't think you could recognize that.

Blackwater Lunchbreak
08-07-2007, 05:14 AM
That's quite the opposite and called "Stick-to-it-ivity" I don't think you could recognize that.

Embracing ignorance and apathy is stick-to-it-iveness? I doubt it.

Blackwater Lunchbreak
08-07-2007, 05:16 AM
If I had any of that, I might be. But you see, Just because I don't talk up your game. doesn't mean I am ignorant of it. As for Damo's question" (quote) so the goal is to ignore history and thus repeat it? 9unquote) It doesn't need to be ignored to recognize it, and besides, that's an old wives tale. History seldom repeats itself. It just makes NEW history.


Ignoring history and thus repeating does in fact seem to be the goal of the nwo internationlist fascists and their psychologically scarred previous victims.

doniston
08-07-2007, 10:46 AM
Embracing ignorance and apathy is stick-to-it-iveness? I doubt it. But "Discounting" it's importance is

Your opinion seems to belong with the cavemen.

doniston
08-07-2007, 10:49 AM
Ignoring history and thus repeating does in fact seem to be the goal of the nwo internationlist fascists and their psychologically scarred previous victims. It doesn't seem to make sense to pair those two groups, but ---OH WELL, that's you.

Blackwater Lunchbreak
08-07-2007, 11:27 AM
It doesn't seem to make sense to pair those two groups, but ---OH WELL, that's you.

It's called:Schadenfreude




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude
Schadenfreude (help·info) is a German word meaning 'pleasure taken from someone else's misfortune'. It has been borrowed by the English language[1] and is sometimes also used as a loanword by other languages. The German pronunciation of the word is [ˈʃaːdənˌfʁɔʏdə] (IPA).

It derives from Schaden (damage, harm) and Freude (joy); Schaden derives from the Middle High German schade, from the Old High German scado, and freude comes from the Middle High German vreude, from the Old High German frewida, from frō, (happy). In German, the word always carries a negative connotation. A distinction exists between "secret schadenfreude" (a private feeling) and "open schadenfreude" (Hohn).

Usually, it is believed that Schadenfreude has no direct English equivalent. For example, Harper Collins German-English Dictionary translates schadenfreude as "malicious glee or gloating." An apparent English equivalent is epicaricacy, derived from the Greek word επιχαιρεκακία, epichaerecacia. This word does not appear in most modern dictionaries, but does appear in Nathaniel Bailey's Universal Etymological English Dictionary (1727) under a slightly different spelling (epicharikaky), which gives its etymology as a compound of epi (upon), chara (joy), and kakon (evil). A more common English equivalent than 'epicaricacy' might be the expression 'Roman holiday', which means pleasure derived from watching someone else's suffering, and is derived from the delight of Roman citizens' at the gladiatorial spectacles in the Colosseum.

In English, the word sometimes is capitalized, because of the German grammatical convention of capitalizing all common nouns in addition to proper nouns; however, as a loanword in English, it is typically left uncapitalized, following the rules of English orthography.

The Buddhist concept of mudita, "sympathetic joy" or "happiness in another's good fortune," is cited as an example of the opposite of schadenfreude.[2][3]



the thinking is,
1. This situation defeated me.
2. If it doesn't defeat others, they may be better, stronger smarter than me.
3. My frail ego is thus bolstered when others fall prey to the same snafus.

doniston
08-07-2007, 02:39 PM
It's called:Schadenfreude



the thinking is,
1. This situation defeated me.
2. If it doesn't defeat others, they may be better, stronger smarter than me.
3. My frail ego is thus bolstered when others fall prey to the same snafus.- To me, that is pure psycho-babble.

Are you a psychobabblist? Is that your problem????

AnglScarlett
08-07-2007, 02:45 PM
It's called:Schadenfreude



the thinking is,
1. This situation defeated me.
2. If it doesn't defeat others, they may be better, stronger smarter than me.
3. My frail ego is thus bolstered when others fall prey to the same snafus.



- To me, that is pure psycho-babble.

Are you a psychobabblist? Is that your problem????


I am starting to think that assface is not a mid-lister, butt, moore like Donny, and what we have here is two lib retards who have strapped helmets to their heads, and are both running full force at a brick wall causing yet moore brain damage each time they hit? In other words, they are both too stupit for a poster of my caliber, and are just trying to get my attention, to get out of the bottom of the posting barrel? You see Donny following me around now, like he was my own personal shoe shine boy, begging for scraps? Now Assface is getting into the "I want a piece of RJS" act? But this show has closed out of town due to lack of interest, sorry? Touche MF.

Blackwater Lunchbreak
08-07-2007, 02:50 PM
I am starting to think that assface is not a mid-lister, butt, moore like Donny, and what we have here is two lib retards who have strapped helmets to their heads, and are both running full force at a brick wall causing yet moore brain damage each time they hit? In other words, they are both too stupit for a poster of my caliber, and are just trying to get my attention, to get out of the bottom of the posting barrel? You see Donny following me around now, like he was my own personal shoe shine boy, begging for scraps? Now Assface is getting into the "I want a piece of RJS" act? But this show has closed out of town due to lack of interest, sorry? Touche MF.

WHy don't you pick an issue and get started, shit taster. pomp is amusing and has it's place, but eventually you have to put up or shut up.

AnglScarlett
08-07-2007, 02:53 PM
WHy don't you pick an issue and get started, shit taster. pomp is amusing and has it's place, but eventually you have to put up or shut up.

I appoint you Donny's sitter, make sure he does not miss his bus this time, it will be coming back around at about 4 pm, 9 minutes from now? I do not want to come back here to find out you let him wander off, and he stumbled into the street and got the sheet squashed out of him? Then you can get started on spit-shining my shoes, as my own personal man Friday, which is all you are good for, and I will want you to hum while you are shining them, so start memorizing some sheet music? LOL

Blackwater Lunchbreak
08-07-2007, 02:57 PM
I appoint you Donny's sitter, make sure he does not miss his bus this time, it will be coming back around at about 4 pm, 9 minutes from now? I do not want to come back here to find out you let him wander off, and he stumbled into the street and got the sheet squashed out of him? Then you can get started on spit-shining my shoes, as my own personal man Friday, which is all you are good for, and I will want you to hum while you are shining them, so start memorizing some sheet music? LOL



I probably don't have time for that, I'm scheduled to be screwing your woman during that time frame. Sorry. We can just put him in the pen.

uscitizen
08-07-2007, 07:47 PM
You screwing women now Asshatter ?
amazing.

doniston
08-07-2007, 10:58 PM
I am starting to think that assface is not a mid-lister, butt, moore like Donny, and what we have here is two lib retards who have strapped helmets to their heads, and are both running full force at a brick wall causing yet moore brain damage each time they hit? In other words, they are both too stupit for a poster of my caliber, and are just trying to get my attention, to get out of the bottom of the posting barrel? You see Donny following me around now, like he was my own personal shoe shine boy, begging for scraps? Now Assface is getting into the "I want a piece of RJS" act? But this show has closed out of town due to lack of interest, sorry? Touche MF.
HA HA HA, your caliber is obviously a BB Gun. Reparte'

doniston
08-07-2007, 11:00 PM
WHy don't you pick an issue and get started, shit taster. pomp is amusing and has it's place, but eventually you have to put up or shut up. Well said, he doesn't appear to have any issues, just insults. and I think I told him the same thing a few posts ago.

doniston
08-07-2007, 11:03 PM
I probably don't have time for that, I'm scheduled to be screwing your woman during that time frame. Sorry. We can just put him in the pen. I'm sorry too, you just crossed the line by speaking of his woman. she isn't here to defend herself.

Insult him, or me, but leave his woman friend out of it.

Blackwater Lunchbreak
08-08-2007, 05:01 AM
I'm sorry too, you just crossed the line by speaking of his woman. she isn't here to defend herself.

Insult him, or me, but leave his woman friend out of it.


Well look at the big defender of womanly virtue! Get bent. lol.

doniston
08-08-2007, 09:33 AM
Well look at the big defender of womanly virtue! Get bent. lol. Not womanly virtue. --your own sensibilities. pick on someone who can fight back.

AnglScarlett
08-08-2007, 09:39 AM
Not womanly virtue. --your own sensibilities. pick on someone who can fight back.

Donny is now claiming to be a woman, in a desperate attempt to get my, Man Friday, and personal servant, AssHat, to stop picking on him? If you wanted to be a woman, you should have picked a different picture, that looks like one hairy woman, even for an oldster? You are too stupit, and have been cyber-skewered again by yours truly, sorry.

doniston
08-08-2007, 10:42 AM
Donny is now claiming to be a woman, in a desperate attempt to get my, Man Friday, and personal servant, AssHat, to stop picking on him? If you wanted to be a woman, you should have picked a different picture, that looks like one hairy woman, even for an oldster? You are too stupit, and have been cyber-skewered again by yours truly, sorry. That had to be sarcastic, but none the less, That is about the stupidest comment I have ever seen in this site--- Stands to reason you would have posted it.

AnglScarlett
08-08-2007, 11:20 AM
That had to be sarcastic, but none the less, That is about the stupidest comment I have ever seen in this site--- Stands to reason you would have posted it.

You'll jump when I tell you to jump, after asking "How High RJS?" And I will continue to keep you tied up fucking around with a troll, because you are that, stupit...touche

doniston
08-10-2007, 11:35 AM
You'll jump when I tell you to jump, after asking "How High RJS?" And I will continue to keep you tied up fucking around with a troll, because you are that, stupit...touche You make all kinds of statements, most of them have no relativity to truth. and If I wasn't interested in responding, I wouldn't. even to idiots like you.

flaja
02-26-2008, 12:58 PM
How could there have been any tax exempt foundations in 1909, when Dodd's committee did its work, when the income tax amendment was added to the Constitution until 1913? What excise taxes, tariffs and imposts would these tax exempt foundations have been otherwise subjected to and thus needed an exemption?