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MasterChief
08-12-2006, 05:50 PM
:clink: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2310049,00.html

Bye-bye, Joe: now Hillary’s the target
Sarah Baxter, Washington



THE defeat of Joe Lieberman, the most hawkish senator in the Democratic party, by an anti-war political novice in a primary election in Connecticut last week was a spectacular coup for the “netroots”: the grassroots, anti-establishment, anti-war left that had mobilised opposition on the internet to the political grandee.
The same activists are now seeking to bend Senator Hillary Clinton to their anti-war side or face defeat in the Democratic presidential primaries. Her supporters are concerned that the “jihadist” left, galvanised by the victory of East Coast millionaire Ned Lamont, are on the rise in the Democratic party, starkly affecting its national electoral prospects.



Mike McCurry, White House press secretary during Bill Clinton’s presidency, said: “The very idea of centrism is under attack now in the party. We have our own loony left too.”

The former first lady, whose strategy for winning the presidency in 2008 has been based on persuading the electorate she is a genuine moderate and tough on national security, is watching her back warily.

“She’s got to read the results with a certain anxiety,” said McCurry, who remains close to the Clintons. “There is a very angry Democratic base out there and it’s perilous for ‘new Democrats’. She is going to be figuring out a way to heavy-up the anti-Bush message.”

Clinton faces a potentially deadly squeeze between Republicans, who are ramping up their charges that the Democrats are soft on terror in the wake of the airliner bombing plot, and her own party activists who have received all the proof they seek that untrammelled opposition to President George W Bush and the war in Iraq is an election winner.

If the New York senator is to win the Democratic nomination for president, she will need the support of her party base in the presidential primaries.

Flush with Lieberman’s defeat, Michael Moore, the left-wing film-maker, warned that the tumbrils would keep rolling. “I’m here to tell you,” Moore warned Clinton, “that you will never make it through the Democratic primaries unless you start strongly opposing the war.”

Clinton quickly shored up her position on the left last week by telephoning Lamont to congratulate him on his victory and dropping $5,000 (£2,650) into his electoral coffers.

“I am going to work for the Democratic nominee,” she said. “And I told him I would do whatever I can and whatever he wants me to do to help him in his election.”

She also declared that “there is a great deal of difference” between her position on Iraq and Lieberman’s. Days before the primary vote, in a nifty use of her influence on the Senate armed services committee, she summoned Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary, and then demanded his resignation for mismanaging the war (a position Lieberman has not taken).

Clinton’s deft political manoeuvring prompted Markos Moulitsas, the dailykos.com blogger who is regarded as the left’s kingmaker, to put Clinton in his “winners” column last week. Moulitsas, however, has made no secret of his antipathy. She takes “every position, so she stands for nothing — that’s why ‘netroots’ don’t like Hillary,” he said.

The Connecticut result places Clinton in an ever more delicate spot. Lieberman, the party’s vice-presidential nominee in 2000, intends to stand as independent Democrat in the November Senate elections and Clinton has not asked him to withdraw.

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maineman
08-12-2006, 06:51 PM
you never did answer my basic shipboard electronics questions or why a master chief electronics technician would be caught dead using the rating badge of a masterchief boatswain's mate? That's like a red sox fan wearing a yankees hat.

be honest....you ain't no masterchief.

Cypress
08-12-2006, 07:13 PM
you never did answer my basic shipboard electronics questions or why a master chief electronics technician would be caught dead using the rating badge of a masterchief boatswain's mate? That's like a red sox fan wearing a yankees hat.

be honest....you ain't no masterchief.

he'll never answer it.

OrnotBitwise
08-12-2006, 11:19 PM
I know a guy who honestly believes that Ronald Reagan was a dangerous lerfty. It's true. Something about the Screen Actors Guild and ties to the KGB. Whatever, he does indeed believe it. He's a priest, too, in an Anglican schismatic group.

The point is simply that he's representative of the kind who think that the Dims are being taken over by leftists. Those who do wouldn't know a socialist from a shuffleboard court.

toby
08-13-2006, 09:29 AM
I don't think Hillary has a chance.

I do note that libs can't seem to address the topic of the post.

bob
08-14-2006, 11:17 AM
she will change her stance on iraq... and be redeemed

evince
08-14-2006, 11:22 AM
you never did answer my basic shipboard electronics questions or why a master chief electronics technician would be caught dead using the rating badge of a masterchief boatswain's mate? That's like a red sox fan wearing a yankees hat.

be honest....you ain't no masterchief.





LOL it must be Dicksy

FUCK THE POLICE
08-14-2006, 02:39 PM
Ironically, getting kicked out of the senate in a primary because she was too moderate could help her with independent voters in a presidential run...

uscitizen
08-14-2006, 02:54 PM
I know a guy who honestly believes that Ronald Reagan was a dangerous lerfty. It's true. Something about the Screen Actors Guild and ties to the KGB. Whatever, he does indeed believe it. He's a priest, too, in an Anglican schismatic group.

The point is simply that he's representative of the kind who think that the Dims are being taken over by leftists. Those who do wouldn't know a socialist from a shuffleboard court.

I guess it goes back to when Ronnie was a democrat and defending actors from charges of communism during the mcarthy witch hunt era.
Regan became a Republican after marrying Nancy and her familys politics and money.

I guess that guy is a mcarthy fan.

uscitizen
08-14-2006, 02:57 PM
So I guess you could say ronnie raygun was a flip flopper. He was for communism before he was against it :)

OrnotBitwise
08-14-2006, 03:03 PM
I guess it goes back to when Ronnie was a democrat and defending actors from charges of communism during the mcarthy witch hunt era.
Regan became a Republican after marrying Nancy and her familys politics and money.

I guess that guy is a mcarthy fan.
Big time. It's one of the many things we argue about.