Atheism magic

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Yet somehow belief in a supreme being that controls everything and also came out of nothing is OK?

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Alpha and Omega. God's personal claim of existence. Meaning he did not come into being- he always was. And yes, belief in a personal being with creative power, that has always existed, is OK.

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Alpha and Omega. God's personal claim of existence. Meaning he did not come into being- he always was. And yes, belief in a personal being with creative power, that has always existed, is OK.

I haven't a clue as to what any of that means. I have always found it strange that God is referred to as he, is there a Mrs. God, does he have brothers and sisters? Why would a supreme being have a sex at all?

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I haven't a clue as to what any of that means. I have always found it strange that God is referred to as he, is there a Mrs. God, does he have brothers and sisters? Why would a supreme being have a sex at all?

Of course you don't know what any of that means. You can always be counted on to comment about that which you are not knowledgeable of. The masculine pronoun is a common linguistic tool. Only used to communicate a personal nature. But do let me help you out.

In the Hebrew Bible (and in translations to languages with a she/he dichotomy) God is referred to as "he". God might be a 'He' in the Bible but non-Hebrew-literate individuals do not always know that in Hebrew language, grammatical gender is NOT an indicator of actual gender. Hebrew nouns have grammatical gender. Each object is masculine or feminine. There are no gender-neutral pronouns in Hebrew, i.e. there is no equivalent of the English "it". Everything is a "he" or a "she".

The spirit of God Ruach Elohim (Genesis 1:2) is a feminine noun. So is the Shekhinah - the Presence of God. Does this mean the Spirit of God and the Presence of God are female?

Take for example the word "animal" -- hayyah in Hebrew. Hayyah is a feminine noun. Therefore, by the rules of Hebrew grammar, whenever people speak of a hayyah, they have to refer to it as "she". This does not indicate that the animal in question is actually female.

Since the titles for God in the Hebrew Bible (Elohim, El, Adonai) are masculine nouns, God is called "he". A book sefer is a masculine noun too. So a book is also called "he". God is no more male than a book is male.

In Chinese, a language with gender-neutral pronouns, a special genderless pronoun is used in reference to divinity (roughly equivalent to IT). When translating the Bible into Chinese, using "he" to reference God was out of the question because the Chinese character for "he" contained the character "human". (Chinese characters are picture-words that may consist of other Chinese characters.) To bring God to the level of man was blasphemous.

Jesus said to the Samaritan woman, "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." (John 4:24)

Too often, humans have projected their own image of oppressive manhood onto God. People in power (usually men) assume that God must think, act and feel the way they do, and less powerful minorities often respond by rejecting God when what they really have issue with is not God but the majority-sanctioned ideas of God. Insisting that God's personality and preferences mirrors that of humans (or at least the men of more privileged classes), is at best, making the mistake that Luther believed Erasmus was making at the time he told Erasmus, "Your God is too human", or worse, committing idolatry by casting God in man's image.
Does gender have a place in the spirit world?

Jesus' reply to the Sadducees on the question of whose wife a woman would be at the resurrection, if she had seven husbands in her lifetime:

Luke 20:34-36

Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the Scriptures, neither the power of God? For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Galatians 3:28 states: "...there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

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Sure as hell makes more sense than fairies in the sky. But dont let that worry you. You are as entitled to put your money on the Grand Fairy of Bacup and his twin masters Gog and Magog as anything else.
Interesting this should come up as we are being introduced to the Alma telescope in Chile, which in time will probe all the bits of existence of which you are sufficiently ignorant to believe in a god made by man who looks like man and who thinks like man with man logic.
I just wonder whether you are representative of the 'end game' in the battle between organised religion and intelligence.

[Damocles]

Christianity:

The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

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At least some people are humorous.

Christianity:

The belief that a being greater then any being, created human kind in His image. He did so, not because he had to, but because he is an artist. He required only that they rule the garden he created for them and enjoy it and Him. His one caveat to test them for their fidelity, was not to eat from a single tree- Being tempted by another creation who rebelled, they to rebelled. God being a just God who cannot look upon evil had told them the consequence of disobedience and sentenced them to die- and that day they died spiritually and all their prodigy with them- but desiring to save this creation from ultimate destruction- God promised salvation in a Messiah.

I. There is but one only,[1] living, and true God,[2] who is infinite in being and perfection,[3] a most pure spirit,[4] invisible,[5] without body, parts,[6] or passions;[7] immutable,[8] immense,[9] eternal,[10] incomprehensible,[11] almighty,[12] most wise,[13] most holy,[14] most free,[15] most absolute;[16] working all things according to the counsel of His own immutable and most righteous will,[17] for His own glory;[18] most loving,[19] gracious, merciful, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin;[20] the rewarder of them that diligently seek Him;[21] and withal, most just, and terrible in His judgments,[22] hating all sin,[23] and who will by no means clear the guilty.[24]

II. God has all life,[25] glory,[26] goodness,[27] blessedness,[28] in and of Himself; and is alone in and unto Himself all-sufficient, not standing in need of any creatures which He has made,[29] nor deriving any glory from them,[30] but only manifesting His own glory in, by, unto, and upon them. He is the alone fountain of all being, of whom, through whom, and to whom are all things;[31] and has most sovereign dominion over them, to do by them, for them, or upon them whatsoever Himself pleases.[32] In His sight all things are open and manifest,[33] His knowledge is infinite, infallible, and independent upon the creature,[34] so as nothing is to Him contingent, or uncertain.[35] He is most holy in all His counsels, in all His works, and in all His commands.[36] To Him is due from angels and men, and every other creature, whatsoever worship, service, or obedience He is pleased to require of them.[37]

III. In the unity of the Godhead there be three Persons of one substance, power, and eternity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost.[38] The Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; [39] the Holy Ghost eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son. [40]


[1] DEU 6:4 Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord. 1CO 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God by one. 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

[2] 1TH 1:9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols, to serve the living and true God. JER 10:10 But the Lord is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting King.

[3] JOB 11:7 Canst thou by searching find out God? canst thou find out the Almighty unto perfection? 8 It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know? 9 The measure thereof is longer than the earth, and broader than the sea. 26:14 Lo, these are parts of his ways; but how little a portion is heard of him? but the thunder of his power who can understand?

[4] JOH 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

[5] 1TI 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

[6] DEU 4:15 Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the Lord spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: 16 Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female. JOH 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. LUK 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

[7] ACT 14:11 And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. 15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein.

[8] JAM 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. MAL 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

[9] 1KI 8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded? JER 23:23 Am I a God at hand, saith the Lord, and not a God afar off? 24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord.

[10] PSA 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. 1TI 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

[11] PSA 145:3 Great is the Lord, and greatly to be praised; and his greatness is unsearchable.

[12] GEN 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. REV 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

[13] ROM 16:27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.

[14] ISA 6:3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. REV 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

[15] PSA 115:3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.

[16] EXO 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.

[17] EPH 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will.

[18] PRO 16:4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. ROM 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

[19] 1JO 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

[20] EXO 34:6 And the Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, The Lord, The Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, 7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

[21] HEB 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

[22] NEH 9:32 Now therefore, our God, the great, the mighty, and the terrible God, who keepest covenant and mercy, let not all the trouble seem little before thee, that hath come upon us, on our kings, on our princes, and on our priests, and on our prophets, and on our fathers, and on all thy people, since the time of the kings of Assyria unto this day. 33 Howbeit thou art just in all that is brought upon us; for thou hast done right, but we have done wickedly.

[23] PSA 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. 6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the Lord will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

[24] NAH 1:2 God is jealous, and the Lord revengeth; the Lord revengeth, and is furious; the Lord will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies. 3 The Lord is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the Lord hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet. EXO 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

[25] JOH 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself.

[26] ACT 7:2 And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran.

[27] PSA 119:68 Thou art good, and doest good; teach me thy statutes.

[28] 1TI 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords. ROM 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

[29] ACT 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things.

[30] JOB 22:2 Can a man be profitable unto God, as he that is wise may be profitable unto himself? 3 Is it any pleasure to the Almighty, that thou art righteous? or is it gain to him that thou makest thy ways perfect?

[31] ROM 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

[32] REV 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. 1TI 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords. DAN 4:25 That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will. 35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

[33] HEB 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

[34] ROM 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? PSA 147:5 Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite.

[35] ACT 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. EZE 11:5 And the Spirit of the Lord fell upon me, and said unto me, Speak; Thus saith the Lord; Thus have ye said, O house of Israel: for I know the things that come into your mind, every one of them.

[36] PSA 145:17 The Lord is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works. ROM 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

[37] REV 5:12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. 13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. 14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

[38] (Traditionally, I John 5:7 is placed here, but we have, for obvious reasons, omitted it in our online edition) MATT 3:16-17 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. MATT 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. II COR 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

[39] JOHN 1:14,18 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

[40] JOHN 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, He shall testify of me. GAL 4:6 And Because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

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Christianity:

The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

Now if IceDancerRoundTheBend had said that then it would have been perfectly obvious, thanks for clearing up the confusion.

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Eric: 3: 34.5. And it came to pass that Albert Clogwhistle took the road from Rawtenstall which led unto Bacup. And as night fell, lo he was sore afraid and he looked into the dark thunder clouds that loomed above Haslinden. An chariot appeared to him and carried the twin gods Gog and Magog.
Eric: 3:34.6 Albert Clogwhistle's eyes were struck sightless and there appeared from a small cottage next to Waterfoot mill an old man.
Ely: 11: 4-7 And he was an hairy man and did have long hair and wore clothes of rude hessian and he carried in an small bag a squirrel. And Albert spoke unto the hairy man and sayeth unto him, 'Ey up, what' tha got thee're?'
And the squirrel replied unto Albert, 'Behold, I have brought unto you an hairy man who is the Fairy of Bacup'. And Albert Clogwhistle sunk unto his knees and said unto the hairy man, 'I will follow thee all 't days of my life and I will bring unto thee other men who doubt the holy words of the squirrel.
Gladys 4: 48-51 And when Albert arrived in Bacup he saw the gathered throng waiting for him outside the felt factory. And the said unto him, each man in turn, 'we will follow thee lord, as long as we shall live.'
And Albert said unto them, 'i am the one who prepares the way. Tha must follow the squirrel and through him unto the grand Fairy of Bacup, whose mam knows the lords Gog and Magog.
And the throng was in awe and raised their hands into the air and said together, 'we shall follow the squirrel for ever for through him can we speak unto the Grand Fairy of Bacup whose hand prepared and wrote the true words of Gog and Magog and bound them in one volume which we can buy at Watersons on a special 3 for 2 offer. Then said Albert, 'Each man must eat of the holy pie and peas in remembrance of me. And so it was and still is to this day.
And Albert Clogwhistle thereupon took up his holy Bic and fashioned him an excercise book which was very cheap as the weights and measures on the back cover were in imperial measure. Therein did he write the holy book and he wrote inside the front cover, 'The words held herein are the true words of Gog and Magog as told to his holy prophet the Grand Fairy of Bacup and translated by the Hon. Albert Clogwhistle.'
Albert made a lot of money selling his book... which was exactly why he wrote it really. I know this is the true word of our beloved twin gods through whom you will come to paradise.

[PostmodernProphet]

Yet somehow belief in a supreme being that controls everything and also came out of nothing is OK?

I don't believe there is any religion that believes it's deity came out of nothing.....can you cite an example?......

[icedancer2theend]

Now if IceDancerRoundTheBend had said that then it would have been perfectly obvious, thanks for clearing up the confusion.

Yes, tom, your ability to be confused is infamous- blow dolls having been your mainstay so long, a real pussy is only obvious to you when your wife asks if you are done yet~

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I don't believe there is any religion that believes it's deity came out of nothing.....can you cite an example?......

So where do they come from then?

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Yes, tom, your ability to be confused is infamous- blow dolls having been your mainstay so long, a real pussy is only obvious to you when your wife asks if you are done yet~

Fascinating how you derail your own thread with sexual innuendo.

[icedancer2theend]

Fascinating how you derail your own thread with sexual innuendo.

Innuendo? It seemed a pretty straight forward sexual slam post to me- but do let me work on being less subtle just for you~ If you can't take the heat tom...

[Damocles]

Eric: 3: 34.5. And it came to pass that Albert Clogwhistle took the road from Rawtenstall which led unto Bacup. And as night fell, lo he was sore afraid and he looked into the dark thunder clouds that loomed above Haslinden. An chariot appeared to him and carried the twin gods Gog and Magog.
Eric: 3:34.6 Albert Clogwhistle's eyes were struck sightless and there appeared from a small cottage next to Waterfoot mill an old man.
Ely: 11: 4-7 And he was an hairy man and did have long hair and wore clothes of rude hessian and he carried in an small bag a squirrel. And Albert spoke unto the hairy man and sayeth unto him, 'Ey up, what' tha got thee're?'
And the squirrel replied unto Albert, 'Behold, I have brought unto you an hairy man who is the Fairy of Bacup'. And Albert Clogwhistle sunk unto his knees and said unto the hairy man, 'I will follow thee all 't days of my life and I will bring unto thee other men who doubt the holy words of the squirrel.
Gladys 4: 48-51 And when Albert arrived in Bacup he saw the gathered throng waiting for him outside the felt factory. And the said unto him, each man in turn, 'we will follow thee lord, as long as we shall live.'
And Albert said unto them, 'i am the one who prepares the way. Tha must follow the squirrel and through him unto the grand Fairy of Bacup, whose mam knows the lords Gog and Magog.
And the throng was in awe and raised their hands into the air and said together, 'we shall follow the squirrel for ever for through him can we speak unto the Grand Fairy of Bacup whose hand prepared and wrote the true words of Gog and Magog and bound them in one volume which we can buy at Watersons on a special 3 for 2 offer. Then said Albert, 'Each man must eat of the holy pie and peas in remembrance of me. And so it was and still is to this day.
And Albert Clogwhistle thereupon took up his holy Bic and fashioned him an excercise book which was very cheap as the weights and measures on the back cover were in imperial measure. Therein did he write the holy book and he wrote inside the front cover, 'The words held herein are the true words of Gog and Magog as told to his holy prophet the Grand Fairy of Bacup and translated by the Hon. Albert Clogwhistle.'
Albert made a lot of money selling his book... which was exactly why he wrote it really. I know this is the true word of our beloved twin gods through whom you will come to paradise.

Follow the Squirrel!

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Follow the Squirrel!

There are some strange goings-on in that part of the world, especially in Longdendale Valley.

http://www.strangedayz.co.uk/2007/11/mysterious-longdendale-valley-part-1.html

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Innuendo? It seemed a pretty straight forward sexual slam post to me- but do let me work on being less subtle just for you~ If you can't take the heat tom...

Well, if your nether regions are overheating I suggest that you refrain from wearing those $200 designer jeans that you always used to boast about.

[Lowaicue]

So where do they come from then?

Tcnyaw, Tom, under gooseberry bushes, of course.

[Lowaicue]

Fascinating how you derail your own thread with sexual innuendo.

You are right, it definitely was in 'er endo.

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I have a question IceDancer. If a human was cloned would you consider the result to be God created or man created?

[Phantasmal]

It is Satanic, cloning, it is trickery!

[Damocles]

I have a question IceDancer. If a human was cloned would you consider the result to be God created or man created?

If somebody copied Romeo and Juliet on a copy machine, would you consider the result to be written by Shakespeare, or by Xerox?

[Phantasmal]

If somebody copied Romeo and Juliet on a copy machine, would you consider the result to be written by Shakespeare, or by Xerox?Will the copies have souls?Did Shakespeare really write Romeo and Juliet ;)

[PostmodernProphet]

So where do they come from then?
an eternal being doesn't "come from" anywhere

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an eternal being doesn't "come from" anywhere

So what is this being? I'm assuming he isn't a white guy with a long grey beard and robes.

[Lowaicue]

So what is this being? I'm assuming he isn't a white guy with a long grey beard and robes.

Have I got this right? This eternal being existed before the formation of the universe? Is that right? If 'no' then of course he she or it is not eternal.
If the answer is 'yes', why did he take so long to come up with human beings? And if his first try was dinosaurs and things then did he make them in his own image?
And would it have been a Tyranosaurus Rex or a Polypterus Senegalus or something in between?
Did these creatures, his first attempt at creation, also have a holy book and did that book also say that only Brontosauruses of a certain sexual persuasion would inherit the kingdom of heaven?
And is there any room left in heaven with all his first choice beings stomping around and eating all the trees and pretty flowers.
And ... and ... and

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Tcnyaw, Tom, under gooseberry bushes, of course.
What does Tcnyaw mean?

[Phantasmal]

What does Tcnyaw mean?

When it is my post, it means I am on my iPad! You wouldn't believe some of the things I type with mine!

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Alpha and Omega. God's personal claim of existence. Meaning he did not come into being- he always was. And yes, belief in a personal being with creative power, that has always existed, is OK.

This is special pleading. You wouldn't accept that anything else is OK simply because it has "always existed", and yet you pretend it's enough evidence for God. What if the universe has always existed? There are theories which allow for an omni-verse which has always existed that many big bangs occur in, of which our big bang is only one occurrence. And so what if it hasn't always existed? This is the compositional fallacy - simply because everything in the universe had a beginning doesn't mean the universe itself had to have one. Another example of this fallacy would be:


Human cells are invisible to the naked eye.
Humans are made up of human cells.
Therefore, humans are invisible to the naked eye

Just as logical.

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an eternal being doesn't "come from" anywhere

It's a fallacious argument because 1. It suffers from the compositional fallacy and 2. It proves too much. If the argument weren't fallacious, then it would apply to all things that could possibly exist forever. Yet you only want to apply it to your own God! Ridiculous. It's like if you went into a court room, and there were mountains of evidence against your client, and you said to the jury "I know, that in every other case, with guilt so clearly established, you would find my client guilty. But do not find my client guilty!"

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This is special pleading. You wouldn't accept that anything else is OK simply because it has "always existed", and yet you pretend it's enough evidence for God. What if the universe has always existed? There are theories which allow for an omni-verse which has always existed that many big bangs occur in, of which our big bang is only one occurrence. And so what if it hasn't always existed? This is the compositional fallacy - simply because everything in the universe had a beginning doesn't mean the universe itself had to have one. Another example of this fallacy would be:


Human cells are invisible to the naked eye.
Humans are made up of human cells.
Therefore, humans are invisible to the naked eye

Just as logical.

Fact #69 Cunning linguistics cannot make up for a fallacious argument.

[Lowaicue]

What does Tcnyaw mean?
It means that sound you make when you state the obvious. Well, maybe not the sound you make, more the sound I make. Anyway, its a free country and I can say Tcnaw and own a gun and believe in fairies and worship Sarah Palin if I jolly well want to.

[Lowaicue]

Fact #69 Cunning linguistics cannot make up for a fallacious argument.

Believe in the Holy Squirrel. Let every man gather together in the name of the Grand Fairy of Bacup and put his nuts on display. Thus spake the Grand fairy. It is the truth, for the Grand Fairy and the Holy Squirrel are BOTH eternal. Two beats one!

[USFREEDOM911]

This is special pleading. You wouldn't accept that anything else is OK simply because it has "always existed", and yet you pretend it's enough evidence for God. What if the universe has always existed? There are theories which allow for an omni-verse which has always existed that many big bangs occur in, of which our big bang is only one occurrence. And so what if it hasn't always existed? This is the compositional fallacy - simply because everything in the universe had a beginning doesn't mean the universe itself had to have one. Another example of this fallacy would be:


Human cells are invisible to the naked eye.
Humans are made up of human cells.
Therefore, humans are invisible to the naked eye

Just as logical.

Only 1/3 of it.

[Lowaicue]

Believe in the Holy Squirrel. Let every man gather together in the name of the Grand Fairy of Bacup and put his nuts on display. Thus spake the Grand fairy. It is the truth, for the Grand Fairy and the Holy Squirrel are BOTH eternal. Two beats one!

Many people may fail to appreciate our belief in the Holy Squirrel. For this reason I detail some incontravertable facts which show how the Holy Squirrel has lived for ever (or at least, quite a long time.... longer than me anyway).
The word comes from the same stem as Squire and suggests gallantry, respect and care for those about you. The Holy Squirrel was never put to death although various non-believers took pot shots at what they thought was the Holy Squirrel, but they were all imposters. He has lived forever and his presence may be felt wherever two or three men gather. His presence with them is shown by the eating of the holy dish, Pie and Peas, with the peas representing the Squirrels nuts and the Pie the holy everlasting body.
Even those who refuse to accept the Holy Squirrel into their hearts are part of the Holy history of the Squirrel every time they address an envelope with Esq. (Esquire) which, in days gone by meant, 'By the Holy Will of the Squirrel.
Believers in false prophets must take the Squirrel into their hearts, turn from false gods and send me a donation of 10% of their annual income now.
Do it now and enter the Holy Kingdom of the Squirrel.
Is not permanent salvation and knowledge of the Holy Squirrel worth such a pittance? Just 10% of your salary.

[PostmodernProphet]

This is special pleading. You wouldn't accept that anything else is OK simply because it has "always existed", and yet you pretend it's enough evidence for God. What if the universe has always existed? There are theories which allow for an omni-verse which has always existed that many big bangs occur in, of which our big bang is only one occurrence. And so what if it hasn't always existed? This is the compositional fallacy - simply because everything in the universe had a beginning doesn't mean the universe itself had to have one. Another example of this fallacy would be:


Human cells are invisible to the naked eye.
Humans are made up of human cells.
Therefore, humans are invisible to the naked eye

Just as logical.


your error is to pretend we are trying to use this as evidence God exists.......this issue only comes up when some brainless atheist thinks he can debunk religious beliefs by pretending God had to have had a beginning......the fact is, there is simply no such requirement......

[Crashk]

In the beginning Man created God;
And in the image of Man created he him.

2 And Man gave unto God a multitude of names,
that he might be Lord over all the earth when it was suited to Man.

3 And on the seven millionth day Man rested
and did lean heavily on his God and saw that it was good.

4 And Man formed Aqualung of the dust of the ground,
and a host of others likened unto his kind.

5 And these lesser men Man did cast into the void. And some were burned;
and some were put apart from their kind.

6 And Man became the God that he had created
and with his miracles did rule over all the earth.

7 But as these things did come to pass,
the Spirit that did cause Man to create his God
lived on within all men: even within Aqualung.

8 And Man saw it not.

9 But for Christ’s sake he’d better start looking.

Jethro Tull-1971


Religious threads... LOL...
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[FUCK THE POLICE]

your error is to pretend we are trying to use this as evidence God exists.......this issue only comes up when some brainless atheist thinks he can debunk religious beliefs by pretending God had to have had a beginning......the fact is, there is simply no such requirement......

It doesn't matter if God had a beginning or not. Doesn't make him any more or less likely at all.

[Damocles]

Have I got this right? This eternal being existed before the formation of the universe? Is that right? If 'no' then of course he she or it is not eternal.
If the answer is 'yes', why did he take so long to come up with human beings? And if his first try was dinosaurs and things then did he make them in his own image?
And would it have been a Tyranosaurus Rex or a Polypterus Senegalus or something in between?
Did these creatures, his first attempt at creation, also have a holy book and did that book also say that only Brontosauruses of a certain sexual persuasion would inherit the kingdom of heaven?
And is there any room left in heaven with all his first choice beings stomping around and eating all the trees and pretty flowers.
And ... and ... and

What a weird question, their eternal being lived an eternity before even creating this universe, asking it "why so long?" is kind of weird... You continue to try to put natural limitations on the supernatural. It's like asking, "Can God create a rock he cannot lift?" and pretending you've come up with a deep thought.

[Lowaicue]

What a weird question, their eternal being lived an eternity before even creating this universe, asking it "why so long?" is kind of weird... You continue to try to put natural limitations on the supernatural. It's like asking, "Can God create a rock he cannot lift?" and pretending you've come up with a deep thought.

Now, if you had a good socialist health scheme you might go and get a free injection of humour. But, as right wingers you must be condemned to live in a dour world of grey where words and thoughts are confined to boxes.

I seldom have deep thoughts and never do I post them here.

[PostmodernProphet]

What a weird question, their eternal being lived an eternity before even creating this universe, asking it "why so long?" is kind of weird... You continue to try to put natural limitations on the supernatural. It's like asking, "Can God create a rock he cannot lift?" and pretending you've come up with a deep thought.
the human mind struggles with concepts such as eternity......they still consider that which is not temporal as bound by time.....it is not such much "before" as "outside of".......consider that God may be experiencing our existence not only backwards and forwards, but inside out....simultaneously.......

[PostmodernProphet]

I seldom have deep thoughts and never do I post them here.

this......

[Lowaicue]

this......

..... or that, and sometimes .... the other!

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this......

The thing I can never understand is why would God put us on an insignificant planet, in the backwaters of a nondescript galaxy, if we are his ultimate creation?

[PostmodernProphet]

The thing I can never understand is why would God put us on an insignificant planet, in the backwaters of a nondescript galaxy, if we are his ultimate creation?

and then he chose to incarnate to a fourteen year old, unmarried peasant in a barn in an impoverished town in a conquered country......hard to believe someone made it up, isn't it....

[USFREEDOM911]

The thing I can never understand is why would God put us on an insignificant planet, in the backwaters of a nondescript galaxy, if we are his ultimate creation?

Who has suggested that we are the end result?

[cancel2 2022]

Who has suggested that we are the end result?

In times gone by, many people including Copernicus and Galileo were hounded by the Catholic church for espousing heliocentrism. Of course, if they had been confronted with the notion of other solar systems and galaxies they would have been even more vociferous in their opposition. There are still many in the US and elsewhere who refuse to believe in Darwinism.

[USFREEDOM911]

In times gone by, many people including Copernicus and Galileo were hounded by the Catholic church for espousing heliocentrism. Of course, if they had been confronted with the notion of other solar systems and galaxies they would have been even more vociferous in their opposition. There are still many in the US and elsewhere who refuse to believe in Darwinism.

But that doesn't mean that everyone believes we are the end result.

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But that doesn't mean that everyone believes we are the end result.

I think Dank Yankee, Alias and Mr. T would disagree; to name a few on here.

[Damocles]

..... or that, and sometimes .... the other!

Most times the other, but definitely that.

[USFREEDOM911]

I think Dank Yankee, Alias and Mr. T would disagree; to name a few on here.

That's fine; because everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and I'm not going to try and push mine on anyone.

[cancel2 2022]

That's fine; because everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and I'm not going to try and push mine on anyone.

Not sure what you are trying to say? If bacteria are discovered on Mars, Titan or Enceladus for example, are they demonstrations of God's work?

[USFREEDOM911]

Not sure what you are trying to say? If bacteria are discovered on Mars, Titan or Enceladus for example, are they demonstrations of God's work?

Since you asked, I would say Yes.

[Lowaicue]

Not sure what you are trying to say? If bacteria are discovered on Mars, Titan or Enceladus for example, are they demonstrations of God's work?

Hey, things are bad. Lots of people have two jobs!

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Hey, things are bad. Lots of people have two jobs!

You would think he would job share in these difficult times!!

[Lowaicue]

You would think he would job share in these difficult times!!

Agree, but I don't have time to help him.

[The Dude]

I bet it wouldnt be hard to find that belief in religion goes down with education. Certainly this board is chock full of uneducated believers.

[Lowaicue]

I bet it wouldnt be hard to find that belief in religion goes down with education. Certainly this board is chock full of uneducated believers.

Obviously there is a correlation. That is why organised religions were started in the first place, to supply answers to the ignorant.

[Phantasmal]

Obviously there is a correlation. That is why organised religions were started in the first place, to supply answers to the ignorant.

http://www.conversantlife.com/theology/how-many-youth-are-leaving-the-church

[Rationalist]

Sure as hell makes more sense than fairies in the sky. But dont let that worry you. You are as entitled to put your money on the Grand Fairy of Bacup and his twin masters Gog and Magog as anything else.
Interesting this should come up as we are being introduced to the Alma telescope in Chile, which in time will probe all the bits of existence of which you are sufficiently ignorant to believe in a god made by man who looks like man and who thinks like man with man logic.
I just wonder whether you are representative of the 'end game' in the battle between organised religion and intelligence.

Yeah, but if she's wrong, she'll never know any different. If you're wrong, you'll suffer in conscious torment for all eternity. :)

[FUCK THE POLICE]

and then he chose to incarnate to a fourteen year old, unmarried peasant in a barn in an impoverished town in a conquered country......hard to believe someone made it up, isn't it....

It's actually very very easy to imagine that someone made up that part of the story.

[FUCK THE POLICE]

The Romans did not conquer the Jews, they liberated the Jewish people from the tyrants who had previously ruled over them.

[PostmodernProphet]

The Romans did not conquer the Jews, they liberated the Jewish people from the tyrants who had previously ruled over them.

tell it to the Maccabees.......

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Herod was the greatest Israeli king of all time.

[PostmodernProphet]

Herod was the greatest Israeli king of all time.

which one.....there were several....


Herod the Great (c. 74–4 BC), client king of Judaea who rebuilt the Second Temple (in Jerusalem) into Herod's Temple
Herod Archelaus (23 BC–c. AD 18), ethnarch of Samaria, Judea, and Idumea
Herod Antipas (20 BC–c. AD 40), tetrarch of Galilee and Peraea, who (called "Herod the Tetrarch" or "Herod" in the New Testament up to Acts 4:27) was described therein as ordering John the Baptist's death and as mocking Jesus
Herod II (c. 27 BC - 33 AD), sometimes called Herod Philip I, father of Salome
Philip the Tetrarch (4 BC–AD 34), sometimes called Herod Philip II, tetrarch of Ituraea and Trachonitis
Herod Agrippa I (c. 10 BC–AD 44), client king of Judaea, called "King Herod" or "Herod" in Acts 12 of the New Testament
Herod of Chalcis, also known as Herod III, king of Chalcis (AD 41–48)
Herod Agrippa II (AD 27–100), tetrarch of Chalcis who was described in Acts of the Apostles as "King Agrippa" before whom Paul of Tarsus defended himself

Herodes Atticus (AD 101-177), was an unrelated Greek aristocrat who served as a Roman Senator and proponent of Sophism

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Herod the Great, of course!

It's a misconception to say that Herod the Great merely rebuilt the second temple. Herod was a strongman appointed by Rome - in contradiction of Jewish tradition - who kept power because he was willing to take ruthless measures in order to keep order for Rome. As Caesar put it, "it's better to be a pig of Herod than a son of Herod" - he's a Jew, so he won't touch a pig, of course, but he executed nearly all his sons in paranoid political purges.

Your bible, most of which would be utterly absurd and idiotic to take literally, also says that he murdered all young boys in Israel, even though he died before Jesus was born and there's no record of such an incredible massacre occurring.

[PostmodernProphet]

Herod the Great, of course!

It's a misconception to say that Herod the Great merely rebuilt the second temple. Herod was a strongman appointed by Rome - in contradiction of Jewish tradition - who kept power because he was willing to take ruthless measures in order to keep order for Rome. As Caesar put it, "it's better to be a pig of Herod than a son of Herod" - he's a Jew, so he won't touch a pig, of course, but he executed nearly all his sons in paranoid political purges.

Your bible, most of which would be utterly absurd and idiotic to take literally, also says that he murdered all young boys in Israel, even though he died before Jesus was born and there's no record of such an incredible massacre occurring.

perhaps because it was nothing out of the ordinary for him....

[icedancer2theend]

perhaps because it was nothing out of the ordinary for him....

http://www.xenos.org/graphics/chronc.gif

Source (http://www.xenos.org/classes/chronc.htm)

[FUCK THE POLICE]

perhaps because it was nothing out of the ordinary for him....

Yeah, someone is just going to kill thousands of children, and no one's going to give a shit or record such a thing. My kids were killed yesterday for no reason at all? Meh. God you're an idiot. Political purges and strong arm tactics are different than specifically targeting the children of an entire nation with no clear reason. Such an event is far greater than any of the other things he's known for, and would certainly be recorded if it happened.

[FUCK THE POLICE]

The 2 year olds were never killed and Jesus was never born.

[PostmodernProphet]

Yeah, someone is just going to kill thousands of children, and no one's going to give a shit or record such a thing. My kids were killed yesterday for no reason at all? Meh. God you're an idiot. Political purges and strong arm tactics are different than specifically targeting the children of an entire nation with no clear reason. Such an event is far greater than any of the other things he's known for, and would certainly be recorded if it happened.

well, there was a guy who wrote a book that said "my king is a maniacal child murderer"......unfortunately, he was burned to death on a pile of his manuscripts......

[PostmodernProphet]

The 2 year olds were never killed and Jesus was never born.

you were killed when you were two.....

[PostmodernProphet]

would certainly be recorded if it happened.

you mean like written in a book that's sold more copies than any other?.......

[DamnYankee]

Are all the liberals here atheist? :)

[FUCK THE POLICE]

you mean like written in a book that's sold more copies than any other?.......

Best-selling? In the ancient world? Just like many other mythological texts that were never meant to be taken literally, but often were by idiots?

[FUCK THE POLICE]

you were killed when you were two.....

Ah, that's a good one!

[Damocles]

Will the copies have souls?Did Shakespeare really write Romeo and Juliet ;)

Do you, in fact, believe in Shakespeare?

[USFREEDOM911]

Do you, in fact, believe in Shakespeare?

Yeah; but all the plays attibuted him, were apparently written by Edward de Vere the 17th Earl of Oxford :eek2:

[Lowaicue]

Do you, in fact, believe in Shakespeare?

Is a dog really man's best friend?

[PostmodernProphet]

if that's directed to me, no......at least poet has indicated he is not an atheist.......to reply in advance to the parallel question I know of at least two conservatives who are agnostics if not atheists.....yourself included if I remember correctly......

[PostmodernProphet]

Best-selling? In the ancient world?

if you mean before it was written, no......be that as it may it seems rather silly for you to say that something we can read in the Bible was never written down.....