IHS:Isis, Horus, Semiramis

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seen this carved into the pews of your anglican, catholic or other christian church? Is it imprinted on your wafer?

What does it mean?




http://www.reformation.org/church-of-rome.html
The worship of the Egyptian trinity: Isis, Horus and Seth spread to the entire world. Pyramids and obelisks built on the Egyptian model are found everywhere. The ancient Mayans and Aztecs in the New World had pyramids copied from ancient Egypt.

CIRCE was a Greek goddess who turned men into PIGS!!

[Damocles]

seen this carved into the pews of your anglican, catholic or other christian church? Is it imprinted on your wafer?

What does it mean?
I've never seen them at any church whatsoever. I do find the site funny as heck. It is much like the ones that say that Muslim is an extension of the Moon God, just from an anti-Christian's perspective.

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I've never seen them at any church whatsoever. I do find the site funny as heck. It is much like the ones that say that Muslim is an extension of the Moon God, just from an anti-Christian's perspective.

It's actually pro christ. Just anti church.



Islam is from the mood god. The satanic verses are when mohammed slipped up and started talking about the daughters of god, something from the old religion that he was reworking to make islam. Later he said satan made him do it. Funny.

[Damocles]

It's actually pro christ. Just anti church.



Islam is from the mood god. The satanic verses are when mohammed slipped up and started talking about the daughters of god, something from the old religion that he was reworking to make islam. Later he said satan made him do it. Funny.
Read the site you posted. It relates all parts of Christianity to Pagan beliefs in exactly the same way that the Moon God thing does for Muslim. The site is interesting.

I especially like the "anybody can see that the Whore of Babylon was" Circe. It makes me laugh. Scholars have worked on Revelations for centuries and this is the first time I've read that one.

[Damocles]

1. The great mother goddess was substituted for JEHOVAH—the Son of God
2. CIRCE or CYBELE was substituted for CHRIST
3. CHURCH was substituted for CONGREGATION
4. JUPITER was substituted for St. PETER
5. PALLADIUS was substituted for St. PATRICK
6. COLUMBUS was substituted for CABOT
7. AMERIGO VESPUCCI was substituted for Richard AMERIKE!!


And what is with the Amerigo Vespucci thing? What does that have to do with the church? The site is very funny and interesting at the same time.

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And what is with the Amerigo Vespucci thing? What does that have to do with the church? The site is very funny and interesting at the same time.

Yeah. It's good on many levels.

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Read the site you posted. It relates all parts of Christianity to Pagan beliefs in exactly the same way that the Moon God thing does for Muslim. The site is interesting.

I especially like the "anybody can see that the Whore of Babylon was" Circe. It makes me laugh. Scholars have worked on Revelations for centuries and this is the first time I've read that one.
Christianity, meaning the church, the institution, the dogma. The true message of christ against elitism and a priestly class, was mentioned early on. The egyptian mystery religion and its esoteric teaching "elitism is fine and good", has wormed it's way into all all forms of modern institutional religion, including western governments.

The true message of jesus was acknowledged early on in the article, "Racism isn't cool". But now zionism is the undeclared yet practiced faith of the entire western world. THe pharisiac brand of judaism which jesus rebelled against was also a reworking of mystery religion elitism.

[Damocles]

Christianity, meaning the church, the institution, the dogma. The true message of christ against elitism and a priestly class, was mentioned early on. The egyptian mystery religion and its esoteric teaching "elitism if fine and good", has wormed it's way into all all forms of modern institutional religion, including western governments.

The true message of jesus was acknowledged early on in the article, "Racism isn't cool". But now zionism is the undeclared yet practiced faith of the entire western world. THe pharisiac brand of judaism which jesus rebelled against was also a reworking of mystery religion elitism.
The thing of it is, they go after Martin Luther who was of the same opinion as you are on the whole "Priestly Class" thing. He believed that the religion was for all. He translated the Bible into German, as he was German, and they say, "He made Moses speak German!" as if it was somehow a bad thing.

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The thing of it is, they go after Martin Luther who was of the same opinion as you are on the whole "Priestly Class" thing. He believed that the religion was for all. He translated the Bible into German, as he was German, and they say, "He made Moses speak German!" as if it was somehow a bad thing.


because he rebelled against the concept of the unquestioned legitimacy of authority based on formalized hierarchy, which is really the only message needed to accomplish dark ages style enslavement.

[Damocles]

Anyway, IHS means "Jesus" in Greek...

IHS
abbr.

Jesus (Greek ΙΗΣΟΥΣ with S for sigma)

Or in Latin, as many thought to make an explanation that involved more than the one word, Iehus (Jesus) Hominum Salvator = Jesus the Savior of Mankind...

So. The site basically takes sacrament and abuses the meaning. So, in a Catholic Church one may find IHS, but its meaning is far more benevolent than the described...

Here is a good site for an understanding of the actual meaning behind the initials..

http://www.religion-encyclopedia.com/I/ihs.htm

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Anyway, IHS means "Jesus" in Greek...

IHS
abbr.

Jesus (Greek ΙΗΣΟΥΣ with S for sigma)

Or in Latin, as many thought to make an explanation that involved more than the one word, Iehus (Jesus) Hominum Salvator = Jesus the Savior of Mankind...

So. The site basically takes sacrament and abuses the meaning. So, in a Catholic Church one may find IHS, but its meaning is far more benevolent than the described...

Here is a good site for an understanding of the actual meaning behind the initials..

http://www.religion-encyclopedia.com/I/ihs.htm

Newsflash, the church is lying.

I post heresy.




http://www.sign2god.com/folders/oorsprong-3eenheid-en.html
These three people -Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz- are globally known and worshipped as the 'trinity' or 'three-in-one-sungod'.

Later on the Roman Catholic Church would adopt this pagan doctrine and would use these occult gods and their holy days as Christian doctrines, gods and holy days. In this way the Roman Catholic Church adopted paganism in the Christian Churches; still existing in our Christian churches today, known as 'The Holy Trinity'.




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It was Roman Emperor Constantinus that send a platoon of soldiers to fundamental/biblical Christian leaders that didnot want to adopt the trinity. And in this way Constantinus wiped out the Christian resistance and exiled them for a number of years.

In that same year 325 Constantinus lead the Council of Nicea in which he introduced the basics of the trinity as a christian fundament.

It was also Constantinus in the same year and Council of Nicea, that erased the biblical Sabbath and changed it into the day of the trinity-sungod (IHS: Isis, Horus and Seth; also known as Baal, Astarte and Tammuz!). Now both the trinity and day of worship were in line with the sungod-worshipping and it still is in most Christian Churches; both Protestant and Catholic!

[Damocles]

Newsflash, the church is lying.

I post heresy.
I don't think they are. I think it is fun to think so and write books about it, but I think they really believe in what they preach on the whole.

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The Text of the Nicene Creed
We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through Him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
He came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
He became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
He suffered death and was buried.
On the third day He rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and His kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father.*
With the Father and the Son He is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. AMEN.

[Damocles]

And? It pretty much tells the story of the Bible....

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And? It pretty much tells the story of the Bible....


It represents the triumph of pagan trinitarianism over the other competing forms of christianity.

You mean the bible as compiled by the Catholic church?

You're caught in a self referential circle, that is round, refers to itself and is repetitive, over and over again.

What do easter eggs have to do with Jesus's resurrection?


http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract1.html
Semiramis claimed that she was immaculately conceived.

She taught that the moon was a goddess that went through a 28 day cycle and ovulated when full.

She further claimed that she came down from the moon in a giant moon egg that fell into the Euphrates River.

This was to have happened at the time of the first full moon after the spring equinox.

Semiramis became known as "Ishtar" which is pronounced "Easter", and her moon egg became known as "Ishtar's" egg."

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Yo, check it. This makes more sense than, "no it's not", or arguments derived from documents also created/compiled/edited by the same roman catholic church.




http://www.biblicalunitarian.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=63
Pagan Roots of the Trinity Doctrine




The Trinity doctrine is not unique to, nor original with, Christianity. It has deep Pagan roots, dating back to at least two centuries BC, and has been prominent in many Eastern religions ever since.

The Roman Catholic and Orthodox Church Councils (Western and Eastern churches) brought the Trinity doctrine into Christianity. This occurred before there was a final split between the two over authority. Even those who voted the idea into Roman Catholic dogma declared it was a mystery that had to be accepted by faith. The theologians that wrote the Catholic Encyclopedia admit that there is no Old Testament indication of a triune God, and very little in the New Testament that can be construed that way. They also admit that it was a product of tradition that evolved over four centuries. The RCC gives equal credence to tradition and scripture. In this case tradition is almost the whole criteria for this dogma, aside from a few scriptures that are wrenched out of context and misinterpreted, trying to give the idea legitimacy.

The evolution of this doctrine within Christianity began with The Apostle's Creed, progressed to the Nicene Creed, and finally culminated in the Athanasian Creed. Click on the links below to read more about them.

The Apostle's Creed which was not written by the Apostles at all, but by the RCC. While this simple statement of faith had nothing to say about a Trinity, or even hint that Jesus was God, it laid the groundwork for further expansion, and was modified several times over the years.

The Nicene Creed established in 325 AD, was the next step. At the insistence of the Roman emperor, Constantine, and for the purpose of establishing unity between Christianity and Pagan beliefs, Jesus was declared to be coequal, coeternal, and consubstantial with God. This established, Constantine made Christianity the state religion of the Roman Empire. Before Constantine's rule the Christians suffered much persecution at the hands of Rome.

The Athanasian Creed espouses the Trinitarian concepts of Athanasius, a fourth century theologian. The time of its original writing is not known, nor is its author. Most historians agree that it was probably composed in the fifth century, though some claim it may have been as late as the ninth century. Even the Catholic Encyclopedia is vague about its origin.

The Christian Church's roots were originally from Judaism, which was, and still is, a monotheistic (One-God) religion. There is no belief in a polytheistic (Plural) God in the Old Testament. On the contrary, OT scriptures declare the singleness of God.

Isa. 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Isa. 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

The Nicene and Athenian creeds are in direct denial of these scriptures as well as many others. First, they had to declare that Jesus was God, and that he was eternal--which also contradicts scripture.

Num. 23:19 God is not a man that he should lie, neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? Or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Jesus was a man; and he referred to himself as the Son of Man many times.

Psa. 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Jesus was begotten, (born) at a point in time, according to the Jewish prophecies. The Athanasian Creed also states that Jesus was God incarnated. This contradicts scripture also, because God does not change.

Mal. 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

If there is no scriptural basis for the doctrine of a triune God, then from whence did this idea come?

Rome, the seat of emperors for the Roman Empire and the power base of political popes, was heavily influenced by the philosophy and paganism of the former Grecian Empire, which took in much more territory than the Roman Empire ever achieved. Greek literature, sociology, religion, and superstitions played a great part in the formation of Roman government, philosophy, and religion. Therefore, it is no wonder that the Romans incorporated much of their custom and culture into Christianity, just as the Jewish believers did in Jerusalem.

When the Apostle Paul was in Athens he observed, among the worshippers of many pagan gods, an altar to the Unknown God. He took advantage of their superstitions to preach to them of the one true God. Among these people were Epicureans and Stoics philosophers who, were amazed at Paul's preaching of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Up until the rule of Emperor Constantine, the Christians of the Roman Empire were persecuted. Constantine, however, in the early fourth century saw a chance to help restore the former glory of the Empire by bringing about religious unity. In exchange for the cooperation of the Roman Christian Bishops he made Christianity the official state religion. However, this came at great cost to the true gospel of Jesus Christ. From this time forward Christianity became a mixture of the Christian faith and Paganism.

One of the most common beliefs among Pagan cultures was in a trinity of gods. We find this among the Egyptians, Indians (of India), Japanese, Sumarians, Chaldeans, and of course, the Babylonians, to where historians trace the roots of trinitarism.

Church history shows a gradual assimilation of Pagan ideas into Christianity, brought about mostly by the Roman or Western Church, which became a political/religious extension of the Roman Empire. Foremost among the pagan ideas was the adoption of the trinity doctrine into the dogma of the church. Pagan holidays (holy days) were also incorporated into tradition by “Christianizing” them, thus we end up with Christmas being celebrated on Dec 25th; Easter, which combined the resurrection of Christ with the pagan goddess Ester, and Halloween combined with All Saint's Day.

In time, the political power of the Roman Popes and the wealth they controlled exceeded that of the Emperors, and the Church became a Monarchy with power over kings and nations. Religious tolerance went out the door, and the Church embarked on crusades and inquisitions to purge out by ex-communication, torture, war, and murder, all those who disagreed with official Church doctrine or resisted the authority of the Pope. Christ-like behavior became a thing of the past, and Jesus' teachings neglected and changed.

[Care4all]

Excuse me! But DIDN'T Jesus himself say that He was God, and that is why He was crucified, because the Jews saw this as blasphemy?

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Excuse me! But DIDN'T Jesus himself say that He was God, and that is why He was crucified, because the Jews saw this as blasphemy?

I believe they were upset with jesus for many reasons.

I believe his message was about sociology and actual living (in a continual state of love) moreso than getting worshipped and glorified.

I think much of what we consider to be "christian teaching" is filtered through a mix of pagan influences and a church specifically designed to be a vehicle of empire.

[Care4all]

Jesus said that He and the Father were ONE....

and i do agree with the rest of what you said....too much focus on that, vs. what Jesus taught us....about love.

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Jesus said that He and the Father were ONE....

and i do agree with the rest of what you said....too much focus on that, vs. what Jesus taught us....about love.


1,3,2,5, it's not really the point is it? And supporting a priesthood to decide the issue isn't really THAT useful is it?

The point is simple. E.T. said it best, "Be good".

[Damocles]

It represents the triumph of pagan trinitarianism over the other competing forms of christianity.

You mean the bible as compiled by the Catholic church?

You're caught in a self referential circle, that is round, refers to itself and is repetitive, over and over again.

What do easter eggs have to do with Jesus's resurrection?
Or it represents a restatement of beliefs based on the Bible.

Sometimes, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and acts like a duck it really is a duck. And Easter Eggs were never part of the traditional Christian celebration. That was added much, much later and it was basically to make it fun for the kids who were jealous of those Pagans who had fun on the holiday.

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Or it represents a restatement of beliefs based on the Bible.

Sometimes, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and acts like a duck it really is a duck. And Easter Eggs were never part of the traditional Christian celebration. That was added much, much later and it was basically to make it fun for the kids who were jealous of those Pagans who had fun on the holiday.



Yes, but this quacks like pagan trinitarianism grafted onto a personality cult of jesus and then made into an agent of imperial thought control.

[Damocles]

Yes, but this quacks like pagan trinitarianism grafted onto a personality cult of jesus and then made into an agent of imperial thought control.
Actually it seems to quack of the Bible's beliefs. The same ones that many Christians use consistently to inform people of what God is. So, basically you are saying that the Bible is a mockery of religion? I can't quite get your point here.

"Be good" is fine. I like that, a nice simplification of a complex philosophy and belief system.

Even, "The Priesthood isn't what Christ wanted" I can get that too. But the whole, "The entire Bible is a mockery of God's message" I can't quite get. Methinks you may again be shooting yourself in the foot in regards to convincing people to listen to you if that is your point.

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Actually it seems to quack of the Bible's beliefs. The same ones that many Christians use consistently to inform people of what God is. So, basically you are saying that the Bible is a mockery of religion? I can't quite get your point here.

"Be good" is fine. I like that, a nice simplification of a complex philosophy and belief system.

Even, "The Priesthood isn't what Christ wanted" I can get that too. But the whole, "The entire Bible is a mockery of God's message" I can't quite get. Methinks you may again be shooting yourself in the foot in regards to convincing people to listen to you if that is your point.


The point is that the roman catholic version of christianity, which much of christianity is descended from, is not necessarily biblical and may be more in line with the more earthly, sacerdotal mystery faiths of the era.

That doesn't detract from jesus's obvious message of rebellion against these kinds of power structures. Many choose the lie, however. The truth is obvious. Truth is part of the strategy.

[Damocles]

The point is that the roman catholic version of christianity, which much of christianity is descended from, is not necessarily biblical and may be more in line with the more earthly, sacerdotal mystery faiths of the era.

That doesn't detract from jesus's obvious message of rebellion against these kinds of power structures. Many choose the lie, however. The truth is obvious. Truth is part of the strategy.
Ahhh... So it is anti-Catholic you are going for here...

I'll let the Catholics mess with that. I grew up in a Pentecostal Church so am sometimes not the best source of Catholic information.

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Ahhh... So it is anti-Catholic you are going for here...

I'll let the Catholics mess with that. I grew up in a Pentecostal Church so am sometimes not the best source of Catholic information.

catholic and everything that descended from it, which is basically all forms of christianity known in the western world.

[Damocles]

catholic and everything that descended from it, which is basically all forms of christianity known in the western world.
Were I Christian, I'd be a Gnostic Christian. If there were a congregation in our area I'd even attend. Unfortunately it has to be the only unrepresented form of Christianity in my county.

Just as I'd never be a religious right republican. I believe too much in the individual's rights to allow laws to be written solely to be 'holy'.

[uscitizen]

Or it represents a restatement of beliefs based on the Bible.

Sometimes, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and acts like a duck it really is a duck. And Easter Eggs were never part of the traditional Christian celebration. That was added much, much later and it was basically to make it fun for the kids who were jealous of those Pagans who had fun on the holiday.

Well that and to absorb the pagans into a new quaisi christian ceremony.
Religion is just like the goverment, they both hate competition.

[uscitizen]

catholic and everything that descended from it, which is basically all forms of christianity known in the western world.

Is Moremoanism a form of Chrisitanity ?

[Damocles]

Is Moremoanism a form of Chrisitanity ?
Nah, he covered that one on another thread "accusing" them of being Freemasons, whom he thinks are of a different religion than the ones that they believe...

He thinks that the Freemasons, Mormons, Catholics, Jews, Bavarian Illuminati, United Judean Front, and Judean United front (splitters!) are all getting together to take over the world and make us all worship something more Pagan than we wish to worship.

[uscitizen]

Naah, Moremaons are not Freemasons, nor are they truely Christians...
another good show on the history channel about Freemasons last night Damo.

[Damocles]

Naah, Moremaons are not Freemasons, nor are they truely Christians...
another good show on the history channel about Freemasons last night Damo.
Which one was it? I have seen several, they exchange between the Discovery and History channels...

Some are really cool.

[OrnotBitwise]

Nah, he covered that one on another thread "accusing" them of being Freemasons, whom he thinks are of a different religion than the ones that they believe...

He thinks that the Freemasons, Mormons, Catholics, Jews, Bavarian Illuminati, United Judean Front, and Judean United front (splitters!) are all getting together to take over the world and make us all worship something more Pagan than we wish to worship.Us pagans have no problem worshiping something more Pagan. In fact, the world might be a better place thereby. As long as you keep that nutjob Aykroyd out of it.

[uscitizen]

Most of us indulge in Pagan vehicular, sports, and entertainment worship, what the big deal anyway ?

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Most of us indulge in Pagan vehicular, sports, and entertainment worship, what the big deal anyway ?

All organized religion has become about the perpetuation of a power oriented hierarchical structure. The superiority of a race, the infallibility of a church, the unquestionable authority of a heavily edited and selectively compiled document, this unquestioned power is what satan seeks over man. The hidden knowledge of the mysteries is the plain truth of evolution and an account of interracial conflict on earth, with an addendum that it's ok to win by lying and being racist. Heirarchical Domination and a culling of the species are presented as the only answers to mankinds problems.



It's the satanic message we frown at five year olds for saying "The other kids are doing it".

[uscitizen]

Of course it is asshat, it always has been, why any differnet now? It is has just become more polished over the years. They have heard all the arguments over the years and polished their sales pitch well over the centuries.

Mankind as a species has some need to worship something greater, and insecurity or pack mentality thing I suppose.
I do not suffer from that affliction.

[Damocles]

Of course it is asshat, it always has been, why any differnet now? It is has just become more polished over the years. They have heard all the arguments over the years and polished their sales pitch well over the centuries.

Mankind as a species has some need to worship something greater, and insecurity or pack mentality thing I suppose.
I do not suffer from that affliction.
A noted Atheist nuerologist wrote a book about the 'God part of the mind'... You may like to read it.

[uscitizen]

I have studied that subject. And if God did make us he constructed a dependency in us for him. Not a nice trick would you think to essentially make slaves ? While at the same time claiming to give us freewill....

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I have studied that subject. And if God did make us he constructed a dependency in us for him. Not a nice trick would you think to essentially make slaves ? While at the same time claiming to give us freewill....

We definitely have freewill. Saying we don't or that evil is inevitable, is satan talking.

[uscitizen]

We definitely have freewill. Saying we don't or that evil is inevitable, is satan talking.

You appear to be well programmed.

Evil comes from within us, we just blame it on an imaginary evil spirit.
Goodness comes from with in us, we just credit a good spirit.
We are still a pretty primitive species.

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You appear to be well programmed.

Evil comes from within us, we just blame it on an imaginary evil spirit.
Goodness comes from with in us, we just credit a good spirit.
We are still a pretty primitive species.


Care to prove it? The point is that this new age concept of ascended hierarchy of masters, or "Great White Brotherhood", teaches evil modes of behavior. There are elements of truth to what they say, but their conclusions are evil.

THe New Age is crap.

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Other dimensions are real, spirituality is real, but these people are frauds.



http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NewAge/Creme_Maitreya.htm

Follow your 'Ascended' Master
The following is collection of quotes from Creme's The Reappearance of The Christ and the Masters of Wisdom (1980). If what he says is true, then the infiltration of the government by Luciferic agents is already a reality today. These agents, we are told, are directed by the Hierarchy of Ascended Masters and are working together to bring about the New World Order right under our noses. The reader will be reminded of the quotes from Marilyn Ferguson in another page, regarding this very same conspiracy. No narrative is necessary, the message is crystal clear: [(EMPHASIS MINE)]

From these existing groups (New Age plants) in all fields of work — political, religious, social, scientific, educational and cultural — will be formed a nucleus who will be trained directly by the Master himself. Gradually they will be called upon for help and advice by governmental agencies, and their effective power to influence governmental decisions will increase. THEY CAN THUS DIRECTLY LAY THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER.

Administrative and Governmental positions will be offered to certain members of the inner group who can then directly implement the needed changes. In this way a gradual transformation of society will be made...

The Hierarchy has plans already made and ready to put into effect. These involve the reconstruction of the world financial and economic order. A group of high initiates, themselves economists, industrialists, and financial experts of great experience and achievement, are working with the Hierarchy and have evolved a series of blueprints, alternative inter-related plans, which will solve the redistribution problems which are at the basis of the present world crisis. These can and will be speedily implemented when the need is seen and accepted, which acceptance will be forced on the United Nations of the world by the weight of a now informed public opinion. The cry for help and justice from the poor and starving nations will be too loud and too dramatic to ignore. THE STAGE WILL THEN BE SET FOR THE [ANTI]CHRIST TO MAKE KNOWN HIS PRESENCE AND LEAD MANKIND INTO THE AQUARIAN EXPERIENCE.



Their plan is to fuck up the world so bad, by staging conflict and horrors, that people will turn to them out of desperation. Is that enlightened?

[uscitizen]

Care to prove it? The point is that this new age concept of ascended hierarchy of masters, or "Great White Brotherhood", teaches evil modes of behavior. There are elements of truth to what they say, but their conclusions are evil.

THe New Age is crap.

How can it be proven ? One way or the other ?
Are we still develepoing in a positive or negative direction ? Yes
How far can we go ? Who knows the unknowable. Only fools I would think.

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How can it be proven ? One way or the other ?
Are we still develepoing in a positive or negative direction ? Yes
How far can we go ? Who knows the unknowable. Only fools I would think.


You're all wet, jethro. Does behavior matter? Do diifferent types of social organization have an impact on the survivability of the species? It's not a nebulous unknowable. These people use the "inevitability" of hierarchical domination to convince half of humanity to be the dominators. They use the fear of uncertainty and the concept of evolution to present a false "dominate or be dominated" choice. They're first class fucksticks.

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Down with the Ascended Masters!

[Demwit]

Down with the Ascended Masters!

Absolutely, lets talk trash about Regan.

[uscitizen]

Ascended Masters ? Dead golf pros ?