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Rune
01-23-2011, 09:57 AM
Hello folks, first post. I am a self employed blacksmith and native Cape Codder. It is a pleasure to have found this place. Thankyou.

/MSG/
01-23-2011, 10:25 AM
Welcome. I hope you read our Troll FAQ primer for new users.

Damocles
01-23-2011, 11:27 AM
Hello. Welcome to the site! How did you find our little corner of the cyberverse?

tinfoil
01-23-2011, 11:34 AM
Welcome, Dune
I posted a thread from here to fark.com yesterday. Are you a farker? Just wondering.
I was hoping we'd get some new people

Rune
01-23-2011, 12:13 PM
Hello. Welcome to the site! How did you find our little corner of the cyberverse?

Hi, thanks for the welcome. I googled I.Q. of BushII in response to a comment on another forum. The most interesting (degarding to Bush) hit was on this forum. Pure serendipity as it were.

Rune
01-23-2011, 12:15 PM
Hmm, no edit feature, I guess I will have to check my spelling BEFORE posting.

Bfgrn
01-23-2011, 12:27 PM
Hello folks, first post. I am a self employed blacksmith and native Cape Codder. It is a pleasure to have found this place. Thankyou.

Welcome from a JFK liberal...


We have all made mistakes. But Dante tells us that divine justice weighs the sins of the cold-blooded and the sins of the warm-hearted on different scales. Better the occasional faults of a party living in the spirit of charity than the consistent omissions of a party frozen in the ice of its own indifference.
President John F. Kennedy

Damocles
01-23-2011, 12:29 PM
Hmm, no edit feature, I guess I will have to check my spelling BEFORE posting.
It comes when you are auto-upped to the next membership level.

Bfgrn
01-23-2011, 12:36 PM
Hmm, no edit feature, I guess I will have to check my spelling BEFORE posting.

FYI...Mozilla Firefox has a built in spell check and it is much faster than Microsoft IE. I switched more than a year ago after IE had some security issues that they didn't have a fix for, but were working on them. I read up on different options and Firefox was rated very high...

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/


True friends stab you in the front.
Oscar Wilde

PostmodernProphet
01-23-2011, 03:11 PM
The most interesting (degarding to Bush) hit was on this forum.

/chortle.....welcome Dune....we do ask that all new liberal members stop by the Palin/Beck calibration thread and record data regarding thickness of skull and precise location of major arteries, thanks........

Rune
01-23-2011, 04:18 PM
Welcome from a JFK liberal...

We have all made mistakes. But Dante tells us that divine justice weighs the sins of the cold-blooded and the sins of the warm-hearted on different scales. Better the occasional faults of a party living in the spirit of charity than the consistent omissions of a party frozen in the ice of its own indifference.
President John F. Kennedy

Thanks, I guess I am a Ted Kennedy lib, since I was born after JFK died.

Rationalist
01-23-2011, 05:40 PM
Welcome from a JFK liberal...

JFK liberal, eh?

JFK was a fiscal conservative, tax reformer, and opponent of the Federal Reserve system.

"It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now ... Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus."

"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government."

"In today's economy, fiscal prudence and responsibility call for tax reduction even if it temporarily enlarges the federal deficit – why reducing taxes is the best way open to us to increase revenues."

Sounds remarkably like what you choose to call "voodoo economics."

Rune
01-23-2011, 06:30 PM
JFK liberal, eh?

JFK was a fiscal conservative, tax reformer, and opponent of the Federal Reserve system.



Sounds like a modern day democrat. The modern republicans certainly are not fiscaly conservative, and clearly only support the Fed as a means of maintaining oligarchy. As to the tax bullshit, what was applicable when the highest tax rate was 90% is hardly applicable at 15%.

Canceled1
01-23-2011, 06:35 PM
Hello folks, first post. I am a self employed blacksmith and native Cape Codder. It is a pleasure to have found this place. Thankyou.

Yeah, r-i-g-h-t. :palm:

Cancel 2018. 3
01-23-2011, 07:13 PM
Hello folks, first post. I am a self employed blacksmith and native Cape Codder. It is a pleasure to have found this place. Thankyou.

does your smithy create your own art or functional pieces for the locals?

Rune
01-23-2011, 07:16 PM
Yeah, r-i-g-h-t. :palm:

What is that supposed to mean?

Rune
01-23-2011, 07:18 PM
does your smithy create your own art or functional pieces for the locals?

My specialty is handrails, gates and fences, though I do all manner of industrial fabrication/repair as well as commisioned art. My url is available on here somewhere.

Cancel 2018. 3
01-23-2011, 07:21 PM
My specialty is handrails, gates and fences, though I do all manner of industrial fabrication/repair as well as commisioned art. My url is available on here somewhere.

thats cool, i have friend that does hobby blacksmith work...its talented work and unfortunately a dying art and profession...will never die out completely, but, comparitively....my hope is that the art kicks the profession back in gear

where is your url?

Rune
01-23-2011, 07:40 PM
I asumed it was in my member profile, I was asked to provide it upon registering. The forum rules prohibit self promotion if I understand correctly, if you are truly interested I could p.m. you.

Damocles
01-23-2011, 08:14 PM
I asumed it was in my member profile, I was asked to provide it upon registering. The forum rules prohibit self promotion if I understand correctly, if you are truly interested I could p.m. you.
Nah, it just requests permission. If you want to put it in a sig or something I'm good with that.

Rationalist
01-23-2011, 08:17 PM
Sounds like a modern day democrat. The modern republicans certainly are not fiscaly conservative, and clearly only support the Fed as a means of maintaining oligarchy. As to the tax bullshit, what was applicable when the highest tax rate was 90% is hardly applicable at 15%.

Who was it that created the Fed? A conservative? Actually, it was Woodrow Wilson, a welfare-state liberal. And to my knowledge, the only Congress members who have actively pursued greater transparency in the Federal Reserve system are Republicans. Ron Paul has introduced legislation to this end on several occasions.

http://www.ronpaul.com/legislation/audit-the-federal-reserve-hr-1207/

Obama campaigned on transparency, but broke his campaign promise, and Democrats BLOCKED Senator DeMint's attempt to push it through the Senate.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Senate-Leadership-Opposes-Ron-Pauls-Federal-Reserve-Transparency-Act&id=2666521

Democrats, fiscally conservative? Is that why we have a $1.4 trillion deficit?

Rune
01-23-2011, 09:06 PM
Who was it that created the Fed? A conservative? Actually, it was Woodrow Wilson, a welfare-state liberal. And to my knowledge, the only Congress members who have actively pursued greater transparency in the Federal Reserve system are Republicans. Ron Paul has introduced legislation to this end on several occasions.

http://www.ronpaul.com/legislation/audit-the-federal-reserve-hr-1207/

Obama campaigned on transparency, but broke his campaign promise, and Democrats BLOCKED Senator DeMint's attempt to push it through the Senate.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Senate-Leadership-Opposes-Ron-Pauls-Federal-Reserve-Transparency-Act&id=2666521

Democrats, fiscally conservative? Is that why we have a $1.4 trillion deficit?

Hardly. It was created by Morgan and Warburg. Wilson just signed it, like Pontius Pilot. The politicians who aided them were as bought as they are today.

Paul is a libertarian not a republican, even if he is registered as one. Don't try to give republicans credit for his work.

If you think Obama is more than a figure head and expect any politician to keep all his promises, you are in for a lot of disapointment.

The reason we have a large deficit is the same as the last time a democrat followed a bush into office.

Cancel 2018. 3
01-23-2011, 09:21 PM
i've seen dune's work and he is talented

tinfoil
01-23-2011, 09:36 PM
As a fellow self-employed tradesman, I have to ask Dune:

Are you looking foward to paying for your employee's health insurance or are planning on paying the penalty to the government instead ?-- that's assuming you have employees. I don't have any. Not enough work to keep my ass busy in liberal wonderland PDX.

Two-- count em! TWO muther fricken liberals screwed me this year totaling over 3K. What a bunch of scumbags in this town.

OOPS.. I'm rambling

Rune
01-23-2011, 10:02 PM
As a fellow self-employed tradesman, I have to ask Dune:

Are you looking foward to paying for your employee's health insurance or are planning on paying the penalty to the government instead ?-- that's assuming you have employees. I don't have any. Not enough work to keep my ass busy in liberal wonderland PDX.

Two-- count em! TWO muther fricken liberals screwed me this year totaling over 3K. What a bunch of scumbags in this town.

OOPS.. I'm rambling

We are under RomneyCare here in Mass. It has been in effect for a while. Myself and my helper are both covered by our wives. Aside from that, I think only pretty large companies have to offer insurance.

I got burned pretty severely in the last couple years. Tons of unpaid for work, and those that have paid have paid very slowly.

christiefan915
01-23-2011, 10:15 PM
Hello folks, first post. I am a self employed blacksmith and native Cape Codder. It is a pleasure to have found this place. Thankyou.

Welcome from another liberal. :)

/MSG/
01-23-2011, 10:39 PM
Thanks, I guess I am a Ted Kennedy lib, since I was born after JFK died.
Not to ruin your welcome, but Senator Ted Kennedy was an enemy of the republic.

/MSG/
01-23-2011, 10:42 PM
What is that supposed to mean?
If you've read our troll primer, you might have a better understanding. We're constantly plagued by someone the mods refer to as LEGION, who makes many troll accounts on this board. Some people are therefore distrustful of new users. Despite my efforts to reduce trolling in general, I am not so distrusting, and many others will welcome you regardless of political affiliation.

Rune
01-24-2011, 04:51 AM
Not to ruin your welcome, but Senator Ted Kennedy was an enemy of the republic.

Don't you mean enemy of the republicans?

He was the first to call out BushII in public, making him a hero to me.

Bfgrn
01-24-2011, 05:49 AM
Thanks, I guess I am a Ted Kennedy lib, since I was born after JFK died.

If you are a Ted Kennedy lib, then you are also a JFK, RFK lib. Jack was Ted's hero and he dedicated his public life to fulfill the visions of his two older brothers.

"Harry Truman once said, 'There are 14 or 15 million Americans who have the resources to have representatives in Washington to protect their interests, and that the interests of the great mass of the other people - the 150 or 160 million - is the responsibility of the president of the United States, and I propose to fulfill it.'"
President John F. Kennedy

Bfgrn
01-24-2011, 06:24 AM
Who was it that created the Fed? A conservative? Actually, it was Woodrow Wilson, a welfare-state liberal. And to my knowledge, the only Congress members who have actively pursued greater transparency in the Federal Reserve system are Republicans. Ron Paul has introduced legislation to this end on several occasions.

http://www.ronpaul.com/legislation/audit-the-federal-reserve-hr-1207/

Obama campaigned on transparency, but broke his campaign promise, and Democrats BLOCKED Senator DeMint's attempt to push it through the Senate.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Senate-Leadership-Opposes-Ron-Pauls-Federal-Reserve-Transparency-Act&id=2666521

Democrats, fiscally conservative? Is that why we have a $1.4 trillion deficit?

If you are going to forward your belief that to save a drowning person you throw them a rock, you need to justify it. You need to explain what led to the Aldrich–Vreeland Act, the National Monetary Commission and the Federal Reserve Act. Then tell us what YOU would have done to remedy a major crisis like the Panic of 1907.

Then, please tell us how YOUR plans and remedies would have vaulted the US dollar to international currency vs the pound, franc and mark without the Federal Reserve Act.

The REAL irony; were these issues and events occurring today, you would be siding with the Aldrich plan. It would have been just another version of the health care debate, where you would have sided with the private sector over a public plan.

The banking and currency reform plan advocated by President Wilson in 1913 was sponsored by the chairmen of the House and Senate Banking and Currency committees, Representative Carter Glass, a Democrat of Virginia and Senator Robert Latham Owen, a Democrat of Oklahoma. According to the House committee report accompanying the Currency bill (H.R. 7837) or the Glass-Owen bill, as it was often called during the time, the legislation was drafted from ideas taken from various proposals, including Aldrich bill. However, unlike the Aldrich plan which gave controlling interest to private bankers with only a small public presence, the new plan gave controlling interest to a public entity, the Federal Reserve Board, with a measure of autonomy to Reserve Banks which, for a period of time, were allowed to set their districts' own discount rates. Also, instead of the proposed currency being an obligation of the private banks, the new Federal Reserve note was to be an obligation of the U.S. Treasury. In addition, unlike the Aldrich plan, membership by nationally chartered banks was mandatory, not optional. The changes were significant enough that the opposition to the proposed reserve system reversed itself, and came largely from the more business-friendly Republicans instead of from the more populist leaning Democrats.
wiki

Mott the Hoople
01-24-2011, 06:56 AM
What is that supposed to mean?I beleive USL is questioning your veracity. Welcome to JPP.....have you met Dixie yet? If not, you're in for a real experience! LOL

Rune
01-24-2011, 08:06 AM
I beleive USL is questioning your veracity. Welcome to JPP.....have you met Dixie yet? If not, you're in for a real experience! LOL

What does he think; that I am not an ignorant manual laborer or that I wasn't born in Hyannis, Mass?

/MSG/
01-24-2011, 08:39 AM
Don't you mean enemy of the republicans?

He was the first to call out BushII in public, making him a hero to me.
No, he was an enemy of the Republic, as is everyone would openly votes against the Constitution.

Bfgrn
01-24-2011, 08:57 AM
No, he was an enemy of the Republic, as is everyone would openly votes against the Constitution.

The only enemies of the Constitution are those who try to wield it as a weapon against the living, by using the words of the dead.

Ted Kennedy, and the Kennedy family have done more good for this republic and their people that any family in this republic's history.

"The equal rights of man, and the happiness of every individual, are now acknowledged to be the only legitimate objects of government. Modern times have the signal advantage, too, of having discovered the only device by which these rights can be secured, to wit: government by the people, acting not in person, but by representatives chosen by themselves, that is to say, by every man of ripe years and sane mind, who contributes either by his purse or person to the support of his country." --Thomas Jefferson to A. Coray, 1823. ME 15:482

evince
01-24-2011, 09:06 AM
Hi, thanks for the welcome. I googled I.Q. of BushII in response to a comment on another forum. The most interesting (degarding to Bush) hit was on this forum. Pure serendipity as it were.

Welcome

was it posted by me?

Damocles
01-24-2011, 09:17 AM
Welcome

was it posted by me?
No, it was Cypress.

Canceled1
01-24-2011, 09:28 AM
What does he think; that I am not an ignorant manual laborer or that I wasn't born in Hyannis, Mass?

I think you have to stand in line behind the tons of other "new liberal posters" who have come here only to discover in fairly short order you are either a legion troll or someone that is reinventing themselves under a new screenname.

DamnYankee
01-24-2011, 09:49 AM
Hello folks, first post. I am a self employed blacksmith and native Cape Codder. It is a pleasure to have found this place. Thankyou. Wicked pissa. What paht?

Rune
01-24-2011, 10:04 AM
I think you have to stand in line behind the tons of other "new liberal posters" who have come here only to discover in fairly short order you are either a legion troll or someone that is reinventing themselves under a new screenname.

Maybe this will help:


http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/69162/P60/

Rune
01-24-2011, 10:07 AM
Wicked pissa. What paht?

I grew up in Chatham, lived in Wellfleet, Eastham, Harwich, Dennis and Barnstable, and settled in Yarmouth, since, at the time, homes were cheapest there.

Bfgrn
01-24-2011, 11:14 AM
I grew up in Chatham, lived in Wellfleet, Eastham, Harwich, Dennis and Barnstable, and settled in Yarmouth, since, at the time, homes were cheapest there.

Is 28 still always congested? I took the family on vacation there in the late 90's, and I couldn't believe the traffic.

President Kennedy had a real love for the sea. It is something I also feel. It is why all our family vacations were centered around large bodies of water. It's more than just liking the water, it is deeper, and it's something I have felt since I was young...a strong attraction. I never understood it until I heard JFK talk about his love for the sea.

"I really don't know why it is that all of us are so committed to the sea, except I think it's because in addition to the fact that the sea changes, and the light changes, and ships change, it's because we all came from the sea. And it is an interesting biological fact that all of us have in our veins the exact same percentage of salt in our blood that exists in the ocean, and, therefore, we have salt in our blood, our sweat, and in our tears. We are tied to the ocean. And when we go back to the sea, whether it is to sail or to watch it, we are going back from whence we came."
--Pres. John F. Kennedy, Australian Ambassador's Dinner for the America's Cup Crews, September 14, 1962, Newport, R.I.

Canceled1
01-24-2011, 11:34 AM
Maybe this will help:


http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/69162/P60/

Plenty of trolls post on other message boards.

Welcome and if you're the real deal, it will soon be apparent enough.

Bfgrn
01-24-2011, 12:45 PM
Plenty of trolls post on other message boards.

Welcome and if you're the real deal, it will soon be apparent enough.

Aren't you right wingers putting the cart before the horse? IF he is a 'troll' it WILL become apparent. Why are you folks so afraid of liberals?

DamnYankee
01-24-2011, 01:26 PM
I grew up in Chatham, lived in Wellfleet, Eastham, Harwich, Dennis and Barnstable, and settled in Yarmouth, since, at the time, homes were cheapest there.

Yahmahth? How pissa. I bet homes ah real cheap now since Bahney Frank butt fuhcked Freddie Mac.

Rune
01-24-2011, 02:11 PM
Yahmahth? How pissa. I bet homes ah real cheap now since Bahney Frank butt fuhcked Freddie Mac.

Yeah, freaking faggot. I guess Bush II's "ownership society" had nothing to do with that.

DamnYankee
01-24-2011, 02:29 PM
Yeah, freaking faggot. I guess Bush II's "ownership society" had nothing to do with that.I'm always amused when a liberal uses "gay" as an insult. Isn't it supposed to be normal moral natural and healthy? Shit, man, you live in near ground zero with the shit stabbers in P-Town, and in the queer marriage capital of the world, the Gay State (formerly the Bay State). Aren't you used to it by now? :)

There's nothing wrong with encouraging folks to buy homes, but Bwarny Fwank encouraged people to buy homes that they couldn't afford.

Rune
01-24-2011, 02:58 PM
I'm always amused when a liberal uses "gay" as an insult. Isn't it supposed to be normal moral natural and healthy? Shit, man, you live in near ground zero with the shit stabbers in P-Town, and in the queer marriage capital of the world, the Gay State (formerly the Bay State). Aren't you used to it by now? :)

There's nothing wrong with encouraging folks to buy homes, but Bwarny Fwank encouraged people to buy homes that they couldn't afford.

It always amuses me when a con thinks he knows what I am thinking (or even saying). Are you seriously going to try to pin the collapse of the entire global economy on one faggot? I suppose Iceland's banks all collapsed because to many hairdressers bought condos in Miami, right? AIG was obviously taken by surprise as well, and Goldman Sachs, they couldn't see a problem? Pull your head out long enough to take a breath, wipe the shit off your eyes, and wonder what happened to the derivatives market.

Canceled1
01-24-2011, 04:09 PM
I beleive USL is questioning your veracity. Welcome to JPP.....have you met Dixie yet? If not, you're in for a real experience! LOL

That would be his authenticity. His veracity is yet to be determined and of course subjective depending on which side of the aisle he flops. He's looking pretty left of left at this point.

I always question someone that is immediately combative and pissed. This dude raises red flags and sets the detector modes a' flashing.

How many times have we seen these trolls come on and swear a blue streak they were legit only to discover later no one really bothered to check and they weren't?

Rune
01-24-2011, 04:21 PM
That would be his authenticity. His veracity is yet to be determined and of course subjective depending on which side of the aisle he flops. He's looking pretty left of left at this point.

I always question someone that is immediately combative and pissed. This dude raises red flags and sets the detector modes a' flashing.

How many times have we seen these trolls come on and swear a blue streak they were legit only to discover later no one really bothered to check and they weren't?

O.K., first of all, I am from Cape Cod, not Maine. Despite the invitation to
use perjoratives in the registration section of this site, my first few posts were the Queens english. I told you right away I was liberal, so if cons want to play tag in my introductory thread, I figured it was O.K. to play along. Meanwhile, I did read the rules and the stickies on trolls. I can asure you, that though I may actualy be a troll, I am not one who has ever visited this forum before yesterday. I am here to advocate my veiws on politics. If having the oposite opinion of you makes me a troll, then stop talking to me, because it would mean you are feeding this troll, and therefore are a fool.

As to your detective skills, if I wasn't combative and pissed about politics, why would I even be here? Why are you here?

Crashk
01-24-2011, 04:29 PM
If you hang here you'll need thick skin. Many 'debates' here turn into name calling when the cons can't defend their positions in the face of facts. Or Dixie will write a book and ramble on and on when 2 paragraphs would be sufficient - and then he'll call you names. It's tedious at times. Defending their failed policies which led to our present state of affairs is becoming harder and harder for them.

Rune
01-24-2011, 04:36 PM
If you hang here you'll need thick skin. Many 'debates' here turn into name calling when the cons can't defend their positions in the face of facts. Or Dixie will write a book and ramble on and on when 2 paragraphs would be sufficient - and then he'll call you names. It's tedious at times. Defending their failed policies which led to our present state of affairs is becoming harder and harder for them.

Thanks. As far as long posts go, I don't have sufficiet attention span to read them anyway, so I am not worried.

NOVA
01-24-2011, 05:06 PM
Sounds like a modern day democrat. The modern republicans certainly are not fiscaly conservative, and clearly only support the Fed as a means of maintaining oligarchy. As to the tax bullshit, what was applicable when the highest tax rate was 90% is hardly applicable at 15%.
Thats quite an informative post and gives us a good 'first impression'....:palm:
Its plain you don't know much about JFK, tax policy or conservatives in general....so you've come to the right place for a sound education.
Welcome aboard.

NOVA
01-24-2011, 05:09 PM
If you hang here you'll need thick skin. Many 'debates' here turn into name calling when the cons can't defend their positions in the face of facts. Or Dixie will write a book and ramble on and on when 2 paragraphs would be sufficient - and then he'll call you names. It's tedious at times. Defending their failed policies which led to our present state of affairs is becoming harder and harder for them.

And if you pay particular attention to posters like Evince, Christiefan, TaiChiLiberal, Rana, and a few others, you'll be sure to note they never call anyone names at all.....[/sarcasm]

Canceled1
01-24-2011, 05:19 PM
O.K., first of all, I am from Cape Cod, not Maine. Despite the invitation to
use perjoratives in the registration section of this site, my first few posts were the Queens english. I told you right away I was liberal, so if cons want to play tag in my introductory thread, I figured it was O.K. to play along. Meanwhile, I did read the rules and the stickies on trolls. I can asure you, that though I may actualy be a troll, I am not one who has ever visited this forum before yesterday. I am here to advocate my veiws on politics. If having the oposite opinion of you makes me a troll, then stop talking to me, because it would mean you are feeding this troll, and therefore are a fool.

As to your detective skills, if I wasn't combative and pissed about politics, why would I even be here? Why are you here?

That will be no problem at all.

NOVA
01-24-2011, 06:15 PM
Hardly. It was created by Morgan and Warburg. Wilson just signed it, like Pontius Pilot. The politicians who aided them were as bought as they are today.

Paul is a libertarian not a republican, even if he is registered as one. Don't try to give republicans credit for his work.

If you think Obama is more than a figure head and expect any politician to keep all his promises, you are in for a lot of disapointment.

The reason we have a large deficit is the same as the last time a democrat followed a bush into office.


i've seen dune's work and he is talented

Talented?

Hes a spinner, and not any better than evince or TCLliberal....

As always, the President is who we hold responsible for bills and laws signed by him, not the actual individuals that put them to paper...

Paul IS a Republican, registered as one and votes as one.....he no more belongs to the Liberation Party than Obama belongs to the Socialist Party...

Obama didn't keep his promises and "we" certainly didn't expect him to...but the "they all do it" excuse just ain't gonna cut it....

and the implication put forth in the last statement is...."cute" and even "clever" at best....enough to make me smile anyway, though its bullsit....

Rune
01-24-2011, 08:52 PM
Talented?

Hes a spinner, and not any better than evince or TCLliberal....

As always, the President is who we hold responsible for bills and laws signed by him, not the actual individuals that put them to paper...

Paul IS a Republican, registered as one and votes as one.....he no more belongs to the Liberation Party than Obama belongs to the Socialist Party...

Obama didn't keep his promises and "we" certainly didn't expect him to...but the "they all do it" excuse just ain't gonna cut it....

and the implication put forth in the last statement is...."cute" and even "clever" at best....enough to make me smile anyway, though its bullsit....

Spinner; Thanks, I'll take that as a compliment. Yurt did not mean my oratory skills though, he was talking about my artwork.

As always; so when Bush Sr. said read my lips, no new taxes, that was O.K.?

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He even ran for president as a libertarian. Glad you are here to teach me.

Sorry, but no politician can keep all their campaign promises when faced with the reality of office. Actualy, there was one, once.

Didn't mean to imply anything in the last statement, thought it would be obvious, like father like son, though I do veiw Bush Sr as an honorable man, completely unlike his stupid evil son. You just can't argue with the numbers though, Bush ran the place into the ground, Clinton picked up the peices. Baby Bush ran the place into the ground, Obama is picking up the peices.

Rune
01-24-2011, 09:00 PM
Thats quite an informative post and gives us a good 'first impression'....:palm:
Its plain you don't know much about JFK, tax policy or conservatives in general....so you've come to the right place for a sound education.
Welcome aboard.

I know a little more about conservatives than you think. For example, I know that you personaly don't even know what you are really trying to conserve. If you did, you wouldn't be posting here. Thanks for the welcome.

NOVA
01-25-2011, 12:33 AM
He even ran for president as a libertarian. Glad you are here to teach me.

You just can't argue with the numbers though, Bush ran the place into the ground, Clinton picked up the peices. Baby Bush ran the place into the ground, Obama is picking up the peices.

Sorry sonny....read it and weep....REPUBLICAN!
.... and you're right, ya can't argue with the numbers....and they prove you're coming to erroneous conclusions and don't know/understand the numbers....

but then that's your problem, not mine..

Political party Republican (1976–1988)
Libertarian (1988 Presidential Election)
Republican (1988–present)

christiefan915
01-25-2011, 07:31 AM
And if you pay particular attention to posters like Evince, Christiefan, TaiChiLiberal, Rana, and a few others, you'll be sure to note they never call anyone names at all.....[/sarcasm]

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Rune
01-25-2011, 08:03 AM
Sorry sonny....read it and weep....REPUBLICAN!
.... and you're right, ya can't argue with the numbers....and they prove you're coming to erroneous conclusions and don't know/understand the numbers....

but then that's your problem, not mine..

Political party Republican (1976–1988)
Libertarian (1988 Presidential Election)
Republican (1988–present)

Read the link pal. He is denoted as a libertarian in the FIRST paragraph.

DamnYankee
01-25-2011, 08:07 AM
I know a little more about conservatives than you think. For example, I know that you personaly don't even know what you are really trying to conserve.

The Constitution? :confused:

DamnYankee
01-25-2011, 08:15 AM
It always amuses me when a con thinks he knows what I am thinking (or even saying). Are you seriously going to try to pin the collapse of the entire global economy on one faggot? I suppose Iceland's banks all collapsed because to many hairdressers bought condos in Miami, right? AIG was obviously taken by surprise as well, and Goldman Sachs, they couldn't see a problem? Pull your head out long enough to take a breath, wipe the shit off your eyes, and wonder what happened to the derivatives market.The entire global economy didn't collapse, liberal Dune. Are you seriously arguing that your Senator isn't responsible for the US housing market collapse? :)

Bfgrn
01-25-2011, 09:20 AM
The entire global economy didn't collapse, liberal Dune. Are you seriously arguing that your Senator isn't responsible for the US housing market collapse? :)

You may have a point...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef012876f2cd15970c-300wi

DamnYankee
01-25-2011, 09:36 AM
You may have a point...
What's your point?

NOVA
01-25-2011, 10:30 AM
Read the link pal. He is denoted as a libertarian in the FIRST paragraph.
You don't quite pass the "reading comprehension" test, do you ?
Many Republicans hold some libertarian positions.
Many Democrats hold some Socialists/Communists positions.

The Republicans are still Republicans and the Democrats are still Democrats...

Lets not have a pissing contest over your misunderstanding of what you read....The R and D by their names mean something.....
Ron Paul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Ron_Paul,_official_Congressional_photo_portra it,_2007.jpg" class="image" title="Ron Paul"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Ron_Paul%2C_official_Congressional_photo_portrait% 2C_2007.jpg/220px-Ron_Paul%2C_official_Congressional_photo_portrait% 2C_2007.jpg"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/9/9d/Ron_Paul%2C_official_Congressional_photo_portrait% 2C_2007.jpg/220px-Ron_Paul%2C_official_Congressional_photo_portrait% 2C_2007.jpg

LINE 1....

Ronald Ernest "Ron" Paul (born August 20, 1935) is an American physician and Republican Congressman for the 14th congressional district of Texas.

Rune
01-25-2011, 10:52 AM
The entire global economy didn't collapse, liberal Dune. Are you seriously arguing that your Senator isn't responsible for the US housing market collapse? :)

Are you seriously telling me that you think Frank is a senator?

So much for an "informed debate".

Rune
01-25-2011, 10:55 AM
You don't quite pass the "reading comprehension" test, do you ?
Many Republicans hold some libertarian positions.
Many Democrats hold some Socialists/Communists positions.

The Republicans are still Republicans and the Democrats are still Democrats...

Lets not have a pissing contest over your misunderstanding of what you read....The R and D by their names mean something.....
Ron Paul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul)

LINE 1....

Ronald Ernest "Ron" Paul (born August 20, 1935) is an American physician and Republican Congressman for the 14th congressional district of Texas.


You mean to tell me you don't know the difference between a sentence and a paragraph? Who can't read? I guess you never heard the acronym, rino either huh?

Rune
01-25-2011, 11:02 AM
The entire global economy didn't collapse, liberal Dune. Are you seriously arguing that your Senator isn't responsible for the US housing market collapse? :)

It didn't? Please don't say something that stupid without proof.

Let's see some links please.

Rune
01-25-2011, 11:11 AM
The Constitution? :confused:

O.K., I understand that you don't get it. That's why you think you are a conservative in the first place. But really? The constitution? Cheney, Ridge, Sununu, Bush, Rummy and Woo did more damage to the constitution in four years than in the document's entire lifespan. Ever heard of the Patriot Act idiot? How about "letters of National Security"? "If you are not with us you are agin us" Get real. You do realize that Rumsfeld can NEVER travel to Europe, for the rest of his life, since he is under indictment for war crimes, and will be arrested imediately? That Bush admits to endorsing torture in his book? That torture is illegal under national and international law?

NOVA
01-25-2011, 11:24 AM
You mean to tell me you don't know the difference between a sentence and a paragraph? Who can't read? I guess you never heard the acronym, rino either huh?
hahahaha...Do you mean to tell me that " his libertarian positions on many political issues" means he is not a Republican ?

Its means exactly what it says...."he has libertarian positions of some issues", nothing more, nothing less....
Is that really the extent of your ability to comprehend what you read?

I think we're pretty mush done here....you are wrong no matter how you spin it.....R. Paul is a Republican.....cased closed....

and your inability to admit you made an erroneous statement is telling...you want to put another label on him, have a ball...."Republican" is a party, not a label...

Rune
01-25-2011, 11:32 AM
hahahaha...Do you mean to tell me that " his libertarian positions on many political issues" means he is not a Republican ?

Its means exactly what it says...."he has libertarian positions of some issues", nothing more, nothing less....
Is that really the extent of your ability to comprehend what you read?

I think we're pretty mush done here....you are wrong no matter how you spin it.....R. Paul is a Republican.....cased closed....

and your inability to admit you made an erroneous statement is telling...you want to put another label on him, have a ball...."Republican" is a party, not a label...

Right, he ran as for president as a libertarian, but he is not one. I too would want him on my team, if I were you. Good by, and thanks for leaving. Is it a promise?

DamnYankee
01-25-2011, 11:36 AM
Are you seriously telling me that you think Frank is a senator?

So much for an "informed debate".Are you seriously arguing that your Massachusetts Congressman Frank isn't responsible for the US housing market collapse? :)

DamnYankee
01-25-2011, 11:37 AM
It didn't? Please don't say something that stupid without proof.

Let's see some links please. You're the one who needs to provide a link proving your statement that the global economy has collapsed. I patiently await your response. :)

DamnYankee
01-25-2011, 11:38 AM
O.K., I understand that you don't get it. That's why you think you are a conservative in the first place. But really? The constitution? Cheney, Ridge, Sununu, Bush, Rummy and Woo did more damage to the constitution in four years than in the document's entire lifespan. Ever heard of the Patriot Act idiot? How about "letters of National Security"? "If you are not with us you are agin us" Get real. You do realize that Rumsfeld can NEVER travel to Europe, for the rest of his life, since he is under indictment for war crimes, and will be arrested imediately? That Bush admits to endorsing torture in his book? That torture is illegal under national and international law?Is ObamaCare constitutional? :)

Rune
01-25-2011, 11:49 AM
Is ObamaCare constitutional? :)

I have no idea. I an neither a supreme court jurist nor a constitutional lawyer, though I asume you are since you have apparently judged it to not be.
I wish I were so wise.

I have a problem with the proviso that all must purchase, though I do understand why. If it turns out to be unconstitutional, it shall be overturned, that is the beauty of checks and balances.

If your absolutely bogus claim to be attempting to conserve the constitution were even remotely true, you would have an answer to my earlier questions and remarks about the damage done to the document earlier. Instead you try to distract with childish questions about Obamacare, which is already working it's way through the court system and will be settled in due time.

WinterBorn
01-25-2011, 11:51 AM
Welcome to the madhouse, Dune.

I see you have met some of the rabid idiots we have in our collection.

Rune
01-25-2011, 12:05 PM
You're the one who needs to provide a link proving your statement that the global economy has collapsed. I patiently await your response. :)

You are goning to have a long wait pal. I will give you a clue though. Google

Rune
01-25-2011, 12:08 PM
Welcome to the madhouse, Dune.

I see you have met some of the rabid idiots we have in our collection.

Thankyou. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I expected more.

WinterBorn
01-25-2011, 12:29 PM
Thankyou. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I expected more.

We still have some excellent debates happen. You just need thick skin and the ability to filter out the nonsense.

DamnYankee
01-25-2011, 01:21 PM
I have no idea. I an neither a supreme court jurist nor a constitutional lawyer, though I asume you are since you have apparently judged it to not be.
I wish I were so wise.

I have a problem with the proviso that all must purchase, though I do understand why. If it turns out to be unconstitutional, it shall be overturned, that is the beauty of checks and balances.

If your absolutely bogus claim to be attempting to conserve the constitution were even remotely true, you would have an answer to my earlier questions and remarks about the damage done to the document earlier. Instead you try to distract with childish questions about Obamacare, which is already working it's way through the court system and will be settled in due time.

How ironic, you claiming I'm trying to distract the issue of constitutionality by talking about constitutionality. Yet you tried to distract by discussing how evil Cheny is, and the Patriot Act, a policy that The Obama has continued.

You don't have to be a constitutional scholar to discuss the Constitution. It's a relatively simple, straightforward document.

So where in the Constitution is ObamaCare authorized?

DamnYankee
01-25-2011, 01:23 PM
You are goning to have a long wait pal. I will give you a clue though. Google As I predicted. You have no problem ax'ing me to provide a link yet you refuse to do so yourself, even after I proved that it is your responsibility to do so.

Why do liberals hate personal responsibility?

Rune
01-25-2011, 01:25 PM
How ironic, you claiming I'm trying to distract the issue of constitutionality by talking about constitutionality. Yet you tried to distract by discussing how evil Cheny is, and the Patriot Act, a policy that The Obama has continued.

You don't have to be a constitutional scholar to discuss the Constitution. It's a relatively simple, straightforward document.

So where in the Constitution is ObamaCare authorized?

Like I said, the Supreme Court, and ONLY the Supreme Court can decide that, no matter how simple you are.

Rune
01-25-2011, 01:27 PM
As I predicted. You have no problem ax'ing me to provide a link yet you refuse to do so yourself, even after I proved that it is your responsibility to do so.

Why do liberals hate personal responsibility?

I wasn't the one who made the idiotic claim. Therefore, I am not going to provide hundreds or thousands or millions of links since you can't understand them anyway.

DamnYankee
01-25-2011, 01:32 PM
Like I said, the Supreme Court, and ONLY the Supreme Court can decide that, no matter how simple you are.Awesome- I'm scoring insults from you on nearly every post now. That's proof you are unable to debate logically.

Tell me though, since you admit to being unable to comprehend the Constitution yourself, has the Supreme Court always been right? :)

DamnYankee
01-25-2011, 01:35 PM
I wasn't the one who made the idiotic claim. Therefore, I am not going to provide hundreds or thousands or millions of links since you can't understand them anyway.

Actually, you did here:


Are you seriously going to try to pin the collapse of the entire global economy on one faggot?

All I'm ax'ing for is one link to prove your claim, liberal homophobe. :)

Rune
01-25-2011, 01:46 PM
Awesome- I'm scoring insults from you on nearly every post now. That's proof you are unable to debate logically.

Tell me though, since you admit to being unable to comprehend the Constitution yourself, has the Supreme Court always been right? :)

You can keep posting in my thread as long as you want, but don't expect me to apreciate it.

I never said I couldn't comprehend the constitution, but rather, it is not my place (nor yours) to judge.

I don't always agree with the Supremes, but it is their job, not mine, so my opinion means little.

Damocles
01-25-2011, 01:50 PM
You can keep posting in my thread as long as you want, but don't expect me to apreciate it.

I never said I couldn't comprehend the constitution, but rather, it is not my place (nor yours) to judge.

I don't always agree with the Supremes, but it is their job, not mine, so my opinion means little.
It is all of our "place" to judge. The document was written for us, so that we could jealously guard our freedoms and rights. It directly limits the government to specific powers, and in order to ensure our rights are not lost it behooves us to understand and judge, even if you don't want to. It's not just "those gun lovers" rights that might be trampled, nor just yours.

With those rights often come costs. We take on greater responsibility, and by extension risk, for our own lives. To me that cost is well worth it, and it always will be.

Rune
01-25-2011, 01:55 PM
Actually, you did here:



All I'm ax'ing for is one link to prove your claim, liberal homophobe. :)

O.K., I've said it every way I know how, I will not do your homework for you.

Tell ya what, I'll post a few links you can discredit and then MAYBE you will see why I don't want to waste my time.

http://www.ft.com/indepth/global-financial-crisis

http://www.ft.com/indepth/global-financial-crisis

http://www.globalissues.org/article/768/global-financial-crisis

O.K.? Go to town.

DamnYankee
01-25-2011, 01:59 PM
You can keep posting in my thread as long as you want, but don't expect me to apreciate it.

I never said I couldn't comprehend the constitution, but rather, it is not my place (nor yours) to judge.

I don't always agree with the Supremes, but it is their job, not mine, so my opinion means little.

First you say its not your job to interpret the Constitution; it's the job of the Supremes. Then you say that you don't always agree with their interpretations. You can't have it both ways.

All elected officials must pledge to uphold the Constitution, and those officials choose the Supremes. Therefore it is the job of each voter to understand the Constitution that their candidates, if elected, must swear to uphold.

It may be convenient for you to try and avoid debate by pleading ignorance to the Founding Documents, but this just shows the weakness of your intellect.

DamnYankee
01-25-2011, 02:03 PM
O.K., I've said it every way I know how, I will not do your homework for you.

Tell ya what, I'll post a few links you can discredit and then MAYBE you will see why I don't want to waste my time.

http://www.ft.com/indepth/global-financial-crisis

http://www.ft.com/indepth/global-financial-crisis

http://www.globalissues.org/article/768/global-financial-crisis

O.K.? Go to town.

Isn't China on the globe?

Rune
01-25-2011, 02:06 PM
It is all of our "place" to judge. The document was written for us, so that we could jealously guard our freedoms and rights. It directly limits the government to specific powers, and in order to ensure our rights are not lost it behooves us to understand and judge, even if you don't want to. It's not just "those gun lovers" rights that might be trampled, nor just yours.

With those rights often come costs. We take on greater responsibility, and by extension risk, for our own lives. To me that cost is well worth it, and it always will be.

As well written as my statement was poorly written. Thankyou.
Here is what I meant; It is not my job to Judge. I am not a Judge, and no one cares what determination I make. I did give my opinion that I disagree with the must purchase mandate, however, only the Supremes can change it, and unfortunately, if I disagree with their descision, there is little I can do to change it. I am far from happy with them deciding Corporations and Unions are people, but I am not going to take up arms over it. Thank you for your input.

Rune
01-25-2011, 02:07 PM
Isn't China on the globe?

Try again.

DamnYankee
01-25-2011, 02:09 PM
Try again.
They appear to be doing well. Didn't you say "global" crisis?

WinterBorn
01-25-2011, 02:11 PM
Awesome- I'm scoring insults from you on nearly every post now. That's proof you are unable to debate logically.



:rofl: Now THAT is hilarious!!

Rune
01-25-2011, 02:11 PM
First you say its not your job to interpret the Constitution; it's the job of the Supremes. Then you say that you don't always agree with their interpretations. You can't have it both ways.

All elected officials must pledge to uphold the Constitution, and those officials choose the Supremes. Therefore it is the job of each voter to understand the Constitution that their candidates, if elected, must swear to uphold.

It may be convenient for you to try and avoid debate by pleading ignorance to the Founding Documents, but this just shows the weakness of your intellect.

It is certainly easier to insult me when you purposely change the meaning of my words. I apreciate your time and participation, but now have to go do something meaningful. Talk at ya later.

Rune
01-25-2011, 02:15 PM
They appear to be doing well. Didn't you say "global" crisis?

First of all, China is not without problems. @nd, you asked for one link, I gave you three. 3rd, China is one of over two hundred countries on the globe.

Thats like saying there was no WWI or WWII because ONE country wasn't involved. Gotta go. While I am gone, try to refute ONE item in any of the 3 links I gave you, if you can. Good luck.

DamnYankee
01-25-2011, 02:16 PM
It is certainly easier to insult me when you purposely change the meaning of my words. I apreciate your time and participation, but now have to go do something meaningful. Talk at ya later.What meanings did I change?

Rune
01-25-2011, 05:32 PM
What meanings did I change?

So, global financial crisis or no?

DamnYankee
01-25-2011, 05:54 PM
So, global financial crisis or no?Again, China appears to be doing well. And I've been looking at Germany for investment opportunities, since it appears to be an island of security in the Euro mess.

But I'm letting you divert the topic from my original point, which is that Bwarney Fwank, the most liberal congressman from the most liberal state, your state, caused the US housing collapse.

Rune
01-25-2011, 06:02 PM
Again, China appears to be doing well. And I've been looking at Germany for investment opportunities, since it appears to be an island of security in the Euro mess.

But I'm letting you divert the topic from my original point, which is that Bwarney Fwank, the most liberal congressman from the most liberal state, your state, caused the US housing collapse.

O.K., I played your game, provided ample proof of a global crisis, to which your ONLY reply is to change the subject. You may be rattling me, but are really only showing your lack of integrity to anyone reading. Thats, fine, lets go over the Barny frank thing. By your rules, you made the statement, you provide the links.

Show me ir-refutable proof, that "Barney Frank caused the housing crisis".

DamnYankee
01-25-2011, 06:11 PM
O.K., I played your game, provided ample proof of a global crisis, to which your ONLY reply is to change the subject. You may be rattling me, but are really only showing your lack of integrity to anyone reading. Thats, fine, lets go over the Barny frank thing. By your rules, you made the statement, you provide the links.

Show me ir-refutable proof, that "Barney Frank caused the housing crisis".
Don't be silly: irrefutable. That is like arguing with an atheist that God exists. They insist on a standard of evidence that is unobtainable, and is unlike that used in the highest standard of proof in the highest court in the land, required to convict a man to the gas chamber, which is of course "beyond a reasonable doubt".

Since this is an issue of stolen money and broken promises, I suggest we use the standard for civil conviction in US courts: "a preponderance of evidence".

DamnYankee
01-25-2011, 06:11 PM
And, for the record, you were the one who changed the subject. I simply changed it back. :)

Rune
01-25-2011, 06:14 PM
And, for the record, you were the one who changed the subject. I simply changed it back. :)

Fine, present a "preponderance of evidence" .

DamnYankee
01-25-2011, 06:17 PM
Fine, present a "preponderance of evidence" .http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=764349&postcount=44

Rune
01-25-2011, 06:24 PM
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=764349&postcount=44

That your proof, that one of your freinds is also an asshole?

DamnYankee
01-25-2011, 06:27 PM
That your proof, that one of your freinds is also an asshole? My proof was the timeline video that Bravo presented to you and you ignored. Here's more proof:

YouTube - Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis

Rune
01-25-2011, 07:22 PM
YouTube - 20101022_Catherine Austin Fitts

DamnYankee
01-25-2011, 07:25 PM
Do you really expect me to sit through an hour of a fat gal talk? Bottom-line it for me.

Rune
01-25-2011, 07:30 PM
Do you really expect me to sit through an hour of a fat gal talk? Bottom-line it for me.

Sorry, I don't do others homework.

You got any proof or not?

NOVA
01-25-2011, 08:42 PM
Sorry, I don't do others homework.

You got any proof or not?
How much is enough for you?

YouTube - The Democrats and Obama caused the financial crisis of 08 by supporting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and covering up their bad books.
The Democrats and Obama caused the financial crisis of 08 by supporting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
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YouTube - Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis
Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis
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2004 Dem. coverup of Fanny and Freddie
YouTube - Explosive Video, Fannie Mae CEO calling Obama and the Dems the "Family" and "Conscience" of Fannie Mae
Fannie Mae CEO calling Obama and the Dems the "Family" and "Conscience" of Fannie Mae
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YouTube - EVIDENCE FOUND!!! Clinton administration's "BANK AFFIRMATIVE ACTION" They forced banks to make BAD LOANS and ACORN and Obama's tie to all of it!!!
Clinton administration's "BANK AFFIRMATIVE ACTION" They forced banks to make BAD
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and there is more if you need it.....

Rune
01-25-2011, 08:47 PM
Tell ya what...you two watch my video, I'll watch yours, quiz in the morning.

NOVA
01-25-2011, 09:16 PM
Tell ya what...you two watch my video, I'll watch yours, quiz in the morning.

She make some good points.....her 'tapeworm' analogy is generally true, generally....and her comments about fucking up pensions in the '90's makes some sense...(Clintons Years)....at about the 13 minute mark...concerning soc. sec. , and transferring money overseas....

All in all, she is a bitter women that tried to fight the system and lost and now wants to blame "the system"....

Her story about the housing bubble is generally true...and is EXACTLY what I've been saying and proving to you with the Barney Frank video....
Giving people mortages to buy houses they COULD NOT possibly afford is a liberal wet dream and is the major cause of the meltdown...about at the 17 minute mark...

Maybe you should listen to you own link and actually think about what the women is saying and pay particular attention to the timeline...when the events were happening...and who was in power in Congress and as President...

I may use this lady's words to refute the next pinhead liberal Democrat that tries to blame Bush and the Republicans for the fuckin mess you're in....Thanks...

Rune
01-25-2011, 09:53 PM
Dam, didn't think you'd actualy watch it. Now I have to watch yours.

I am not seeing how it was the libs that promoted the bubble, though. Could just be one of those things we will never agree on.

Rune
01-25-2011, 10:07 PM
Really? I mean friggin Really? They made 50,000 loans to minorities who had less than stellar credit, and you think that caused the housing crisis?

The number of forclosures last year alone was over one million. Similar amount the year before. You guys are out of your minds.

Next!

NOVA
01-25-2011, 11:00 PM
Really? I mean friggin Really? They made 50,000 loans to minorities who had less than stellar credit, and you think that caused the housing crisis?

The number of forclosures last year alone was over one million. Similar amount the year before. You guys are out of your minds.

Next!
Are you claiming someone is blaming only loans to minorities for the crisis?

The combined GSE losses of US$14.9 billion and market concerns about their ability to raise capital and debt threatened to disrupt the U.S. housing financial market. The Treasury committed to invest as much as US$200 billion in preferred stock and extend credit through 2009 to keep the GSEs solvent and operating. The two GSEs have outstanding more than US$ 5 trillion in mortgage backed securities (MBS) and debt; the debt portion alone is $1.6 trillion.

Lehman Brothers goes belly up....
Merrill Lynch sold for 50 billion...1 year earlier it was valued at 100 billion...
AIG gets 85 billion loan in rescue effort....

The Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008—passed by the United States Congress on July 24, 2008 and signed into law by President George W. Bush on July 30, 2008 — enabled expanded regulatory authority over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac by the newly established FHFA, and gave the U.S. Treasury the authority to advance funds for the purpose of stabilizing Fannie Mae, or Freddie Mac, limited only by the amount of debt that the entire federal government is permitted by law to commit to. The law raised the Treasury's debt ceiling by US$800 billion, to a total of US$10.7 trillion, in anticipation of the potential need for the Treasury to have the flexibility to support Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, or the Federal Home Loan Banks

In addition to the government conservatorship, which CBO estimates will increase the federal government's net liabilities by $238 billion, several government agencies have taken steps to increase liquidity within Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Among these steps includes:[33] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_takeover_of_Fannie_Mae_and_Freddie_Mac#cit e_note-Committee_for_a_Responsible_Federal_Budget:_Stimul us_Watch-32)


Federal Reserve purchases of $23 billion in GSE debt (out of a potential $100 billion) and $53 billion in GSE-held mortgage backed securities (out of a potential $500 billion).
Federal Reserve purchases of $24 billion in GSE debt.
Treasury Department purchases of $14 billion in GSE stock (out of a potential $200 billion).
Treasury Department purchases of $71 billion in mortgage backed securities
Federal Reserve extension of primary credit rate for loans to the GSEs



Federal takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Fannie_Mae_Headquarters.JPG" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Fannie_Mae_Headquarters.JPG/200px-Fannie_Mae_Headquarters.JPG"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/d/d9/Fannie_Mae_Headquarters.JPG/200px-Fannie_Mae_Headquarters.JPG


If you think all of this is the result of 50,000 bad loans, you are a pinhead with a closed mind.....
Seems your grasp of the loan/debt problems is limited to buying a used car....

Rune
01-25-2011, 11:24 PM
I watched your videos. The only evidence I saw was Cuomo admitting they handed out 50,000 subprime loans to minorities. Sorry

Bfgrn
01-26-2011, 07:07 AM
Really? I mean friggin Really? They made 50,000 loans to minorities who had less than stellar credit, and you think that caused the housing crisis?

The number of forclosures last year alone was over one million. Similar amount the year before. You guys are out of your minds.

Next!

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Bravo pulled this crap before. He feels maybe if he pulls it on the new guy, it will miraculously become truth...

I debunked his crap before...


YouTube - Timeline shows Bush, McCain warning Dems of financial and housing crisis; meltdown
Timeline shows Bush, McCain warning Dems of financial and housing crisis; meltdown
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YouTube - The Democrats and Obama caused the financial crisis of 08 by supporting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and covering up their bad books.
The Democrats and Obama caused the financial crisis of 08 by supporting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
------------------
YouTube - Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis
Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis
-----------------
2004 Dem. coverup of Fanny and Freddie
YouTube - Explosive Video, Fannie Mae CEO calling Obama and the Dems the "Family" and "Conscience" of Fannie Mae
Fannie Mae CEO calling Obama and the Dems the "Family" and "Conscience" of Fannie Mae
------------------
YouTube - EVIDENCE FOUND!!! Clinton administration's "BANK AFFIRMATIVE ACTION" They forced banks to make BAD LOANS and ACORN and Obama's tie to all of it!!!
Clinton administration's "BANK AFFIRMATIVE ACTION" They forced banks to make BAD
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YouTube - Follow the Money: How Fannie Mae Bought the Democrat Party
How Fannie Mae Bought the Democrat Party

You post this as proof? A disingenuous pile of You Tube garbage. How can you watch that crap without realizing it is a hack job? All the hacking, cutting off of comments and editing was done for the sole purpose of slandering Democrats, not providing any truth. There is no context. Many of the comments and conversations were not even related to the subject. There were comments related to questions about pay and bonuses etc.

If this is what America has come to, this country is toast.



Private sector loans, not Fannie or Freddie, triggered crisis

Commentators say that's what triggered the stock market meltdown and the freeze on credit. They've specifically targeted the mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which the federal government seized on Sept. 6, contending that lending to poor and minority Americans caused Fannie's and Freddie's financial problems.

Federal housing data reveal that the charges aren't true, and that the private sector, not the government or government-backed companies, was behind the soaring subprime lending at the core of the crisis.

Subprime lending offered high-cost loans to the weakest borrowers during the housing boom that lasted from 2001 to 2007. Subprime lending was at its height from 2004 to 2006.

Federal Reserve Board data show that:

* More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending institutions.

* Private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year.

* Only one of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006 was directly subject to the housing law that's being lambasted by conservative critics.

The "turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007," the President's Working Group on Financial Markets reported Friday.

Fannie, the Federal National Mortgage Association, and Freddie, the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corp., don't lend money, to minorities or anyone else, however. They purchase loans from the private lenders who actually underwrite the loans.

It's a process called securitization, and by passing on the loans, banks have more capital on hand so they can lend even more.

This much is true. In an effort to promote affordable home ownership for minorities and rural whites, the Department of Housing and Urban Development set targets for Fannie and Freddie in 1992 to purchase low-income loans for sale into the secondary market that eventually reached this number: 52 percent of loans given to low-to moderate-income families.

To be sure, encouraging lower-income Americans to become homeowners gave unsophisticated borrowers and unscrupulous lenders and mortgage brokers more chances to turn dreams of homeownership in nightmares.

But these loans, and those to low- and moderate-income families represent a small portion of overall lending. And at the height of the housing boom in 2005 and 2006, Republicans and their party's standard bearer, President Bush, didn't criticize any sort of lending, frequently boasting that they were presiding over the highest-ever rates of U.S. homeownership.

Between 2004 and 2006, when subprime lending was exploding, Fannie and Freddie went from holding a high of 48 percent of the subprime loans that were sold into the secondary market to holding about 24 percent, according to data from Inside Mortgage Finance, a specialty publication. One reason is that Fannie and Freddie were subject to tougher standards than many of the unregulated players in the private sector who weakened lending standards, most of whom have gone bankrupt or are now in deep trouble.

During those same explosive three years, private investment banks — not Fannie and Freddie — dominated the mortgage loans that were packaged and sold into the secondary mortgage market. In 2005 and 2006, the private sector securitized almost two thirds of all U.S. mortgages, supplanting Fannie and Freddie, according to a number of specialty publications that track this data.

In 1999, the year many critics charge that the Clinton administration pressured Fannie and Freddie, the private sector sold into the secondary market just 18 percent of all mortgages.

Fueled by low interest rates and cheap credit, home prices between 2001 and 2007 galloped beyond anything ever seen, and that fueled demand for mortgage-backed securities, the technical term for mortgages that are sold to a company, usually an investment bank, which then pools and sells them into the secondary mortgage market.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2008/10/12/53802/private-sector-loans-not-fannie.html#ixzz17MSCaMMW

DamnYankee
01-26-2011, 07:53 AM
Sorry, I don't do others homework.

You got any proof or not? You must not have watched it yourself, since you can't summarize what's in your one-hour video.

According to Bravo's analysis, you couldn't have:

Her story about the housing bubble is generally true...and is EXACTLY what I've been saying and proving to you with the Barney Frank video....
Giving people mortages to buy houses they COULD NOT possibly afford is a liberal wet dream and is the major cause of the meltdown...about at the 17 minute mark....

DamnYankee
01-26-2011, 08:08 AM
Even Bwarney admitted he fucked this all up:


In a recent meeting with the Council on Foreign Relations, Barney Frank--the chair of the House Financial Services Committee and a longtime supporter of Fannie and Freddie--admitted that it had been a mistake to force homeownership on people who could not afford it. Renting, he said, would have been preferable. Now he tells us. http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/13/housing-bubble-subprime-opinions-contributors_0216_peter_wallison_edward_pinto.html

DamnYankee
01-26-2011, 08:13 AM
Federal housing data reveal that the charges aren't true, and that the private sector, not the government or government-backed companies, was behind the soaring subprime lending at the core of the crisis. Are you retarded? Fannie and Freddie simply buy loans that private banks make, and the private banks were forced to loan to people with shitty credit:


Community Reinvestment Act... regulations in 1995 required banks to demonstrate that they were making mortgage loans to underserved communities, which inevitably included borrowers whose credit standing did not qualify them for a conventional mortgage loan.http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/13/housing-bubble-subprime-opinions-contributors_0216_peter_wallison_edward_pinto.html

Dumn Yankee
01-26-2011, 08:53 AM
Are you retarded? Fannie and Freddie simply buy loans that private banks make, and the private banks were forced to loan to people with shitty credit:
http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/13/housing-bubble-subprime-opinions-contributors_0216_peter_wallison_edward_pinto.html

If you're out of work, I hear a NC firearms company is hiring rifle salesmen at their headquarters.

They need them to sell rifles to VIPs, but they don't have a FFL.

Interested?

DamnYankee
01-26-2011, 09:10 AM
Thanks, I guess I am a Ted Kennedy lib, since I was born after JFK died. When I heard the news on the radio I immediately pulled the truck into a parking lot, took out my phone and text'd the following message to my sistah in Taxachusetts: "TED IS DEAD".

Dumn Yankee
01-26-2011, 09:16 AM
When I heard the news on the radio I immediately pulled the truck into a parking lot, took out my phone and text'd the following message to my sistah in Taxachusetts: "TED IS DEAD".

Wicked pissa.

Is that how they talk in Taxachusetts?

Bfgrn
01-26-2011, 09:18 AM
Are you retarded? Fannie and Freddie simply buy loans that private banks make, and the private banks were forced to loan to people with shitty credit:

http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/13/housing-bubble-subprime-opinions-contributors_0216_peter_wallison_edward_pinto.html


I understand in your little mind if the crash of our economy could be blamed on poor people, government and a homosexual in government, it would make your Monica Lewinsky urges toward the rich less of an insecurity...but it just ain't so.

CRA is not to Blame for the Mortgage Meltdown

It's time to stop the scapegoating: According to a study by the Federal Reserve, 94% of high-cost loans originated during the housing boom had nothing to do with Community Reinvestment Act goals. Lending to poor didn't spur crisis -Fed's Kroszner (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0332633420081203)

The Comptroller of the Currency. John C. Dugan, agrees: "CRA [the Community Reinvestment Act] is not the culprit behind the subprime mortgage lending abuses, or the broader credit quality issues in the marketplace. Indeed, the lenders most prominently associated with subprime mortgage lending abuses and high rates of foreclosure are lenders not subject to CRA. A recent study of 2006 Home Mortgage Disclosure Act data showed that banks subject to CRA and their affiliates originated or purchased only six percent of the reported high cost loans made to lower-income borrowers within their CRA assessment areas."**

* Remarks by John C. Dugan, Comptroller of the Currency, before the Enterprise Annual Network Conference (November 19, 2008), available at www.occ.gov/ftp/release/2008-136a.pdf.

** Glenn B. Canner, Senior Advisor, Federal Reserve Board, "2007 HMDA Data: Identifying Trends and Potential Regulatory Concerns," presentation at the Consumer Bankers Association's 2008 CRA and Fair Lending Colloquium, October 27, 2008.

Consider these facts:

CRA was effective long before the subprime market existed. CRA was passed in 1977 to correct the longstanding problem of redlining – the lack of lending in low and moderate income communities and in communities of color. CRA has been on the books for three decades, while the lending practices that created this crisis didn’t exist until the past five years.

Most subprime lenders weren’t covered under CRA. The predominant players in the subprime market – mortgage brokers, mortgage companies and the Wall Street investment banks that provided the financing – aren’t covered under CRA. Finance company affiliates of major banks also participated heavily, but are only included in CRA to the extent their bank parents choose them to be. In fact, many banks shifted the most risky lending – the loans at the root cause of this current crisis -- to affiliates to escape CRA requirements and regulatory oversight.

Wall Street created the demand for riskier loans. The subprime market is the result of loans made without regard to the borrower’s ability to repay the loan and with little or no documentation of income. Lenders chose to engage in risky underwriting practices because Wall Street was eager for high-interest investments, not because of CRA.

Regulatory oversight and accountability was missing. The lack of regulation in the subprime market made it easy for subprime lenders to undercut responsible lending. Because lenders used artificially low initial payments and passed the loans onto investors while hiding the disastrous consequences coming down the line, many borrowers found themselves in loans that were ultimately unaffordable. In many communities, particularly communities of color, subprime lenders were often the only ones serving the community. Had regulators leveled the playing field through common sense underwriting requirements and more vigorously enforced CRA requirements instead of allowing a race to the bottom, this crisis would have been averted.

The majority of subprime loans went to white borrowers. It is true that African-American and Latino families disproportionately received ruinous subprime loans, but the majority of total loans were made to non-Latino white families. According to data from the Home Mortgage Disclosure Act (HMDA) from 2005-2007, 58% of higher-cost loans went to white borrowers, with 18% to African-American borrowers and Latino borrowers each.

The solution to this lending crisis and to make sure that it is not repeated is to require lenders to use sound underwriting practices, require Wall Street to take responsibility for loans it purchases, and to provide more assistance to homeowners facing foreclosure.

The answer is not to cut off access to credit in underserved communities. Homeownership still represents the best way for low and moderate income families to build wealth – we shouldn’t abandon that goal because of lenders’ bad decisions.

http://www.responsiblelending.org/mortgage-lending/policy-legislation/congress/cra-is-not-to-blame-for-blame-for-the-mortgage-meltdown.html

Lending to poor didn't spur crisis -Fed's Kroszner

Dec 3 (Reuters) - A federal program designed to increase lending to poor communities did not contribute to the recent subprime mortgage crisis, a senior Federal Reserve official said on Wednesday.

An extensive study of the Community Reinvestment Act shows the program, which is meant to increase borrowing opportunities for the poor, did not exacerbate current housing finance woes in any meaningful way, said Fed Governor Randall Kroszner.

"The long-term evidence shows that the CRA has not pushed banks into extending loans that perform out of line with their traditional business," Kroszner told a conference on extending credit to the poor in Washington.

In the last two years, millions of homeowners have faced the threat of losing their homes as defaults have climbed and property values have sunk.

The Fed conducted its study in the light of some critics who laid much of the blame for the current mortgage crisis at the feet of lawmakers and policy-makers who supported CRA.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0332633420081203

Rune
01-26-2011, 09:25 AM
You must not have watched it yourself, since you can't summarize what's in your one-hour video.

According to Bravo's analysis, you couldn't have:

Funny, I said I wouldn't do your homework, not that I couldn't summarise the video.

I am guessing you didn't watch it, since you have no comment on it it.

Dumn Yankee
01-26-2011, 09:26 AM
Funny, I said I wouldn't do your homework, not that I couldn't summarise the video.

I am guessing you didn't watch it, since you have no comment on it it.

Maybe he's busy watching Barney Frank on C-Span.

Rune
01-26-2011, 09:26 AM
Wicked pissa.

Is that how they talk in Taxachusetts?

No, that is how that talk in Maine.

DamnYankee
01-26-2011, 09:27 AM
I understand in your little mind if the crash of our economy could be blamed on poor people, government and a homosexual in government, it would make your Monica Lewinsky urges toward the rich less of an insecurity...but it just ain't so.

CRA is not to Blame for the Mortgage Meltdown

It's time to stop the scapegoating: According to a study by the Federal Reserve, 94% of high-cost loans originated during the housing boom had nothing to do with Community Reinvestment Act goals. Lending to poor didn't spur crisis -Fed's Kroszner (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0332633420081203)

The Comptroller of the Currency. John C. Dugan, agrees: "CRA [the Community Reinvestment Act] is not the culprit behind the subprime mortgage lending abuses, or the broader credit quality issues in the marketplace. Indeed, the lenders most prominently associated with subprime mortgage lending abuses and high rates of foreclosure are lenders not subject to CRA. A recent study of 2006 Home Mortgage Disclosure Act data showed that banks subject to CRA and their affiliates originated or purchased only six percent of the reported high cost loans made to lower-income borrowers within their CRA assessment areas."**

* Remarks by John C. Dugan, Comptroller of the Currency, before the Enterprise Annual Network Conference (November 19, 2008), available at www.occ.gov/ftp/release/2008-136a.pdf.

** Glenn B. Canner, Senior Advisor, Federal Reserve Board, "2007 HMDA Data: Identifying Trends and Potential Regulatory Concerns," presentation at the Consumer Bankers Association's 2008 CRA and Fair Lending Colloquium, October 27, 2008.

Consider these facts:

CRA was effective long before the subprime market existed. CRA was passed in 1977 to correct the longstanding problem of redlining – the lack of lending in low and moderate income communities and in communities of color. CRA has been on the books for three decades, while the lending practices that created this crisis didn’t exist until the past five years.

Most subprime lenders weren’t covered under CRA. The predominant players in the subprime market – mortgage brokers, mortgage companies and the Wall Street investment banks that provided the financing – aren’t covered under CRA. Finance company affiliates of major banks also participated heavily, but are only included in CRA to the extent their bank parents choose them to be. In fact, many banks shifted the most risky lending – the loans at the root cause of this current crisis -- to affiliates to escape CRA requirements and regulatory oversight.

Wall Street created the demand for riskier loans. The subprime market is the result of loans made without regard to the borrower’s ability to repay the loan and with little or no documentation of income. Lenders chose to engage in risky underwriting practices because Wall Street was eager for high-interest investments, not because of CRA.

Regulatory oversight and accountability was missing. The lack of regulation in the subprime market made it easy for subprime lenders to undercut responsible lending. Because lenders used artificially low initial payments and passed the loans onto investors while hiding the disastrous consequences coming down the line, many borrowers found themselves in loans that were ultimately unaffordable. In many communities, particularly communities of color, subprime lenders were often the only ones serving the community. Had regulators leveled the playing field through common sense underwriting requirements and more vigorously enforced CRA requirements instead of allowing a race to the bottom, this crisis would have been averted.

The majority of subprime loans went to white borrowers. It is true that African-American and Latino families disproportionately received ruinous subprime loans, but the majority of total loans were made to non-Latino white families. According to data from the Home Mortgage Disclosure Act (HMDA) from 2005-2007, 58% of higher-cost loans went to white borrowers, with 18% to African-American borrowers and Latino borrowers each.

The solution to this lending crisis and to make sure that it is not repeated is to require lenders to use sound underwriting practices, require Wall Street to take responsibility for loans it purchases, and to provide more assistance to homeowners facing foreclosure.

The answer is not to cut off access to credit in underserved communities. Homeownership still represents the best way for low and moderate income families to build wealth – we shouldn’t abandon that goal because of lenders’ bad decisions.

http://www.responsiblelending.org/mortgage-lending/policy-legislation/congress/cra-is-not-to-blame-for-blame-for-the-mortgage-meltdown.html

Lending to poor didn't spur crisis -Fed's Kroszner

Dec 3 (Reuters) - A federal program designed to increase lending to poor communities did not contribute to the recent subprime mortgage crisis, a senior Federal Reserve official said on Wednesday.

An extensive study of the Community Reinvestment Act shows the program, which is meant to increase borrowing opportunities for the poor, did not exacerbate current housing finance woes in any meaningful way, said Fed Governor Randall Kroszner.

"The long-term evidence shows that the CRA has not pushed banks into extending loans that perform out of line with their traditional business," Kroszner told a conference on extending credit to the poor in Washington.

In the last two years, millions of homeowners have faced the threat of losing their homes as defaults have climbed and property values have sunk.

The Fed conducted its study in the light of some critics who laid much of the blame for the current mortgage crisis at the feet of lawmakers and policy-makers who supported CRA.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0332633420081203

The concept of sub-prime extended into the market. Bwarney forced Fannie and Freddie to buy them all.

Dumn Yankee
01-26-2011, 09:28 AM
No, that is how that talk in Maine.

Are you sayin' the Southern Man is retarded?

DamnYankee
01-26-2011, 09:28 AM
No, that is how that talk in Maine. No, that is how they talk inside Rte. 128.

Dumn Yankee
01-26-2011, 09:28 AM
The concept of sub-prime extended into the market. Bwarney forced Fannie and Freddie to buy them all.

Seen any rifles exploding, lately?

Dumn Yankee
01-26-2011, 09:29 AM
No, that is how they talk inside Rte. 128.

Is that where the unemployment office is located?

DamnYankee
01-26-2011, 09:38 AM
1. No.
2. Ax Dune; I don't live there.

Dumn Yankee
01-26-2011, 09:54 AM
1. No.
2. Ax Dune; I don't live there.

1. How come you haven't seen any rifles blowing up lately?


Based on my knowledge of mechanical components, that doesn't sound right, since the bullet wouldn't probably jam.


I'm not an expert on firearms by any stretch, but I think that you'd blow up a gun if you fired a bullet that size through it.


You arrogantly claimed to have a knowledge of ballistics, yet you clearly don't, because a bullet that size would blow up a gun in your face. Try it and see. :)

You best measure your groove diameter and your bullet OD, because if they're the same the gun will blow up on you. Guaranteed, Mr. Ballistics expert. :)




2. Then how do you know how they talk there? Dune lives there and says they don't talk that way. What does that make you?

/MSG/
01-26-2011, 10:02 AM
No, that is how that talk in Maine.
Dune, this is a perfect example of feeding trolls.

Dumn Yankee, despite his reverence for mocking Damn Yankee (known to others here as Southern Man), is the troll known as Legion. Please do not respond to him and I highly suggest you add him to your ignore list (Damn Yankee is currently under investigation for trolling as of late as well, so feel free to add him too. You'll feel better)

Dumn Yankee
01-26-2011, 10:10 AM
Dune, this is a perfect example of feeding trolls.

Dumn Yankee, despite his reverence for mocking Damn Yankee (known to others here as Southern Man), is the troll known as Legion. Please do not respond to him and I highly suggest you add him to your ignore list (Damn Yankee is currently under investigation for trolling as of late as well, so feel free to add him too. You'll feel better)

Still can't find a job, Billy Barstool?

DamnYankee
01-26-2011, 10:21 AM
Dune, this is a perfect example of feeding trolls.

Dumn Yankee, despite his reverence for mocking Damn Yankee (known to others here as Southern Man), is the troll known as Legion. Please do not respond to him and I highly suggest you add him to your ignore list (Damn Yankee is currently under investigation for trolling as of late as well, so feel free to add him too. You'll feel better) Get drunk lately? :)

Canceled1
01-26-2011, 10:53 AM
Get drunk lately? :)


It's twelve o'clock somewhere, RIGHT???


http://assets.passedoutphotos.com/hashed_silo_content/silo_content/11610/icon/najba.jpg

Dumn Yankee
01-26-2011, 11:07 AM
It's twelve o'clock somewhere, RIGHT???


http://assets.passedoutphotos.com/hashed_silo_content/silo_content/11610/icon/najba.jpg

It's always Happy Hour at Billy Barstool's.

DamnYankee
01-26-2011, 11:16 AM
Dune, meet Captain Billy Barstool. He'd be a bahstool bahnarcle at the Parrot in Falmouth if he lived near you.

http://www.parrotbargrille.com/reviews.html

Dumn Yankee
01-26-2011, 11:28 AM
Dune, meet Captain Billy Barstool. He'd be a bahstool bahnarcle at the Parrot in Falmouth if he lived near you.

http://www.parrotbargrille.com/reviews.html

He'd only hang out there if they serve 25 cent draft to the unemployed.

Billy Barstool thinks he can tell everybody what to do.

What an asshole.

DamnYankee
01-26-2011, 11:30 AM
But he only gets "brave" enough to tell them to their face when he's drunk. He's the perfect patron at The Parrot.

Dumn Yankee
01-26-2011, 11:36 AM
But he only gets "brave" enough to tell them to their face when he's drunk. He's the perfect patron at The Parrot.

He'd get his ass kicked at the Parrot. Isn't there a gayer bar for Billy Barstool?

DamnYankee
01-26-2011, 11:39 AM
They don't care if he's gay there; its the Gay State. But if he really wants to flaunt his gay, he can drive up to P-Town.

Dumn Yankee
01-26-2011, 11:45 AM
They don't care if he's gay there; its the Gay State. But if he really wants to flaunt his gay, he can drive up to P-Town.

Think Billy Barstool recites his "Troll List" every night in his local gay bar?

DamnYankee
01-26-2011, 11:48 AM
No.

Dumn Yankee
01-26-2011, 11:52 AM
No.

Because his mouth is full?

DamnYankee
01-26-2011, 11:55 AM
No, because I don't think he trolls on the brain.

Dumn Yankee
01-26-2011, 12:02 PM
No, because I don't think he trolls on the brain.

He has a brain?

Rune
01-26-2011, 12:26 PM
Is that where the unemployment office is located?

Hey Dumn Yankee, I have to give you an earnest thanks. I was really ready to write a good bye post this morning, but the laughter I have gotten from your posts was too good to miss.

Dumn Yankee
01-26-2011, 12:45 PM
Hey Dumn Yankee, I have to give you an earnest thanks. I was really ready to write a good bye post this morning, but the laughter I have gotten from your posts was too good to miss.

Thou hast sinned by disobeying the commands of the Almighty Billy Barstool, known to His obedient, faithful servants by various ever-changing names, currently Old Fezziwig, the arbiter of All.

Beware, lest ye incur the Judgement of the said King Billy Barstool, and be added to His roll of trolldom, and be cast into the outer darkness, from whence there is no returning.

Feed ye not those who the Almighty Billy Barstool hath deemed trolls!

Dumn Yankee
01-26-2011, 12:50 PM
The concept of sub-prime extended into the market. Bwarney forced Fannie and Freddie to buy them all.

Cite.

DamnYankee
01-26-2011, 12:59 PM
I was really ready to write a good bye post this morning... Giving up so soon? :(

NOVA
01-26-2011, 02:44 PM
Hey Dumn Yankee, I have to give you an earnest thanks. I was really ready to write a good bye post this morning, but the laughter I have gotten from your posts was too good to miss.
There ya go.....stick around, and defend those liberal ideas....:good4u:

Cancel 2018. 3
01-26-2011, 03:16 PM
i see legion/mojo/bass/troll has come back

:rolleyes:

why do you run away and then come back as a copycat troll?

Rune
01-26-2011, 07:02 PM
O.K., I didn't see page ten. So Dumn Yankee is that ultimate troll. He is funny.

I can see why you folks don't like trolls though, after a day of dealing with Damn Yankee, so I will endeaver to avoid contact.

I do have to say though, that I was glad of the troll's wit.

Canceled1
01-26-2011, 07:11 PM
There ya go.....stick around, and defend those liberal ideas....:good4u:

If nothing else proves he's a troll then high-fiving another troll does.

IA time.

Rune
01-26-2011, 07:28 PM
If nothing else proves he's a troll then high-fiving another troll does.

IA time.

Promise?

/MSG/
01-26-2011, 07:30 PM
O.K., I didn't see page ten. So Dumn Yankee is that ultimate troll. He is funny.

I can see why you folks don't like trolls though, after a day of dealing with Damn Yankee, so I will endeaver to avoid contact.

I do have to say though, that I was glad of the troll's wit.
Feeding them is ultimately your choice. I'm not a mod, and even if I were, I wouldn't do anything beyond posting the warning. But in the end all legion and other trolls want is to break down all intelligent discourse on this board. They are cancer.

DamnYankee
01-26-2011, 07:32 PM
O.K., I didn't see page ten. So Dumn Yankee is that ultimate troll. He is funny.

I can see why you folks don't like trolls though, after a day of dealing with Damn Yankee, so I will endeaver to avoid contact.

I do have to say though, that I was glad of the troll's wit.

I enjoy Dumb's banter on occasion. But calling me a troll is just your way of dismissing the fact that I have destroyed your argument.

That's OK though. You are not the first liberal here to try that. :)

Rune
01-26-2011, 08:31 PM
I enjoy Dumb's banter on occasion. But calling me a troll is just your way of dismissing the fact that I have destroyed your argument.

That's OK though. You are not the first liberal here to try that. :)

Are you delusional or is this just a tactic they teach at retard school?

Canceled1
01-26-2011, 08:45 PM
I enjoy Dumb's banter on occasion. But calling me a troll is just your way of dismissing the fact that I have destroyed your argument.

That's OK though. You are not the first liberal here to try that. :)



:barf:

DON'T FEED THE TROLLS

Taichiliberal
01-26-2011, 11:54 PM
Hello folks, first post. I am a self employed blacksmith and native Cape Codder. It is a pleasure to have found this place. Thankyou.

Welcome Dune....I see you can take care of yourself in a debate. Keep on trucking! :good4u:

Dumn Yankee
01-27-2011, 07:10 AM
Anyone who mocks Billy Barstool's version of "intelligent discourse on this board" gets stalked by him and his lapdogs.

Rune
01-27-2011, 07:33 AM
Welcome Dune....I see you can take care of yourself in a debate. Keep on trucking! :good4u:

Thanks Tai. I kind of like this place, but I am not sure if I can deal with the cons labeling anyone who disagrees with them a troll.

DamnYankee
01-27-2011, 08:16 AM
Are you delusional or is this just a tactic they teach at retard school?I'm willing to bet I'm better edumacated then you are. :)

DamnYankee
01-27-2011, 08:18 AM
Thanks Tai. I kind of like this place, but I am not sure if I can deal with the cons labeling anyone who disagrees with them a troll.

How ironic:



I can see why you folks don't like trolls though, after a day of dealing with Damn Yankee, so I will endeaver to avoid contact.

Dumn Yankee
01-27-2011, 08:30 AM
I'm willing to bet I'm better edumacated then you are. :)

Will he have to blow Solitary to see your diplomas?

DamnYankee
01-27-2011, 08:33 AM
No.

Dumn Yankee
01-27-2011, 09:22 AM
How ironic:

Almost as ironic as your newfound fondness for betting.


As I said previously, I don't bet when you set the conditions.

So you refuse to man-up?

Rune
01-27-2011, 09:32 AM
I'm willing to bet I'm better edumacated then you are. :)


No doubt you have paper on the wall than I. You are clearly less knowledgable though, which is what matters.

DamnYankee
01-27-2011, 09:40 AM
No doubt you have paper on the wall than I. You are clearly less knowledgable though, which is what matters.

How incredibly ironic! :)

Dumn Yankee
01-27-2011, 09:42 AM
How incredibly ironic! :)

Speaking of incredible....didn't you recently say that your work was very slow (which explains how you spend all day here telling lies)?

Rune
01-27-2011, 09:42 AM
How incredibly ironic! :)


How so?

Damocles
01-27-2011, 09:46 AM
Thanks Tai. I kind of like this place, but I am not sure if I can deal with the cons labeling anyone who disagrees with them a troll.
It's pretty much just new people. Once you settle in and people get used to you that will end. They are always suspicious because of Legion.

Dumn Yankee
01-27-2011, 10:04 AM
Thanks Tai. I kind of like this place, but I am not sure if I can deal with the cons labeling anyone who disagrees with them a troll.

If you keep zinging them like that, they'll post a screen shot with the IP addresses redacted that "proves" you're posting from the same IP as somebody else, and all the sheeple will swallow it.

DamnYankee
01-27-2011, 11:05 AM
How so?You claim to be more knowledgeable, yet in the same post make a stupid grammatical error, along with misspelling the very word knowledgeable.

DamnYankee
01-27-2011, 11:07 AM
It's pretty much just new people. Once you settle in and people get used to you that will end. They are always suspicious because of Legion.I don't think he's a troll, just liberal as he's self-identified, therefore slightly retarded.

Cancel 2018. 3
01-27-2011, 11:11 AM
If you keep zinging them like that, they'll post a screen shot with the IP addresses redacted that "proves" you're posting from the same IP as somebody else, and all the sheeple will swallow it.

LOL ^ this proves you are in fact mojo

lmao

DamnYankee
01-27-2011, 11:13 AM
Like we needed proof. :palm:

Dumn Yankee
01-27-2011, 11:14 AM
LOL ^ this proves you are in fact mojo

lmao

Only to a moron.

Since the shoe fits, stick it up your ass.

Dumn Yankee
01-27-2011, 11:15 AM
Like we needed proof. :palm:

You don't seem to require proof regarding your own statements, do you?

Damocles
01-27-2011, 11:18 AM
LOL ^ this proves you are in fact mojo

lmao
Mojo was his best attempt yet. He posted quite a bit before he used the same proxy for one of his other names. I have to assume it was an error when that happened and he intended for Mojo to be his regular username here and attempted to disassociate from other IPs used for Legion.

Dumn Yankee
01-27-2011, 11:23 AM
Mojo was his best attempt yet. He posted quite a bit before he used the same proxy for one of his other names. I have to assume it was an error when that happened and he intended for Mojo to be his regular username here and attempted to disassociate from other IPs used for Legion.

Whoever Mojo is...

DamnYankee
01-27-2011, 11:26 AM
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/customavatars/avatar1052_1.gif

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01-27-2011, 11:26 AM
Mojo was his best attempt yet. He posted quite a bit before he used the same proxy for one of his other names. I have to assume it was an error when that happened and he intended for Mojo to be his regular username here and attempted to disassociate from other IPs used for Legion.

i don't understand why he doesn't just create a regular user. no one cares if he is honest about the username, its the numerous dishonest trolls that are pathetic. what is boggling is why he is denying it.

Cancel 2018. 3
01-27-2011, 11:27 AM
Only to a moron.

Since the shoe fits, stick it up your ass.

you just happened to be pissy over something that happened to mojo...:rolleyes:

and it doesn't take a genius to see that your IP's are identical, you fucked up troll boy....:D

Dumn Yankee
01-27-2011, 11:28 AM
i don't understand why he doesn't just create a regular user. no one cares if he is honest about the username, its the numerous dishonest trolls that are pathetic. what is boggling is why he is denying it.

The truth must be "boggling" to you because you are unused to it, I suppose?

Dumn Yankee
01-27-2011, 11:29 AM
you just happened to be pissy over something that happened to mojo...:rolleyes:

and it doesn't take a genius to see that your IP's are identical, you fucked up troll boy....:D

Since we agree that you're no genius, post both IPs.

Do it now.

Let's see 'em.

DamnYankee
01-27-2011, 11:33 AM
:D

Dumn Yankee
01-27-2011, 11:36 AM
:D

Say, SM, maybe you could help our resident 'not a genius' mock up a screen shot showing 2 identical IPs with a bunch of user names...don't forget to redact the IP addresses.

You can use that software you used to post your "VIP receipt".

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01-27-2011, 11:37 AM
Since we agree that you're no genius, post both IPs.

Do it now.

Let's see 'em.

beefy or grind already posted them you moronic lying troll

why don't you just stop being a dishonest fart knocker and actually try and debate...its the lying that people don't like, we all know you're not very bright, but you occassionaly have a decent debate, just stop the lies and nonsense if you can....or maybe you need to and pretend to be me at multiple political boards to get your daily kicks

obsessive nutcase

Dumn Yankee
01-27-2011, 11:40 AM
beefy or grind already posted them you moronic lying troll

why don't you just stop being a dishonest fart knocker and actually try and debate...its the lying that people don't like, we all know you're not very bright, but you occassionaly have a decent debate, just stop the lies and nonsense if you can....or maybe you need to and pretend to be me at multiple political boards to get your daily kicks

obsessive nutcase

They did?

Then it shouldn't be beyond your (admittedly) limited abilities to post them, and your proof, again.

Do it.

We both know you can't. We both know why.

Now everyone who reads this thread knows, too.

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01-27-2011, 11:45 AM
They did?

Then it shouldn't be beyond your (admittedly) limited abilities to post them, and your proof, again.

Do it.

We both know you can't. We both know why.

Now everyone who reads this thread knows, too.

i never admitted anything to my abilities, see...its the lying legion, why can't you just stop the lying....



Note, Mojo is now known as Cancel8.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o312/mbl727/Picture6.png


are you really going to continue the lies now? really....

/MSG/
01-27-2011, 11:45 AM
Thanks Tai. I kind of like this place, but I am not sure if I can deal with the cons labeling anyone who disagrees with them a troll.
It's because Legions likes to pick on rightys more often than lefties.

Unless I, or one of the mods, specifically labels you as a troll, all it is is pissing in the wind.

Dumn Yankee
01-27-2011, 11:49 AM
i never admitted anything to my abilities, see...its the lying legion, why can't you just stop the lying....





are you really going to continue the lies now? really....

Where are the IP addresses?

You just pwned yourself, didn't you?

Where's the proof for your other fantasies?

Post it.

Do it now.

Dumn Yankee
01-27-2011, 11:50 AM
It's because Legions likes to pick on rightys more often than lefties.

Unless I, or one of the mods, specifically labels you as a troll, all it is is pissing in the wind.

Thus speaketh Billy Barstool, who sits in drunken judgement over all mere mortals.

If Billy says it, that means it's true?

Fag.

DamnYankee
01-27-2011, 11:51 AM
Say, SM, maybe you could help our resident 'not a genius' mock up a screen shot showing 2 identical IPs with a bunch of user names...don't forget to redact the IP addresses.

You can use that software you used to post your "VIP receipt".

If I had made it up why would I have put "credit card"? :)

Dumn Yankee
01-27-2011, 11:52 AM
If I had made it up why would I have put "credit card"? :)

You don't remember why? How am I supposed to know?

DamnYankee
01-27-2011, 11:54 AM
What could have possibly been my logic?

/MSG/
01-27-2011, 11:56 AM
By the way Dune, I'm not sure if you read the list thread, but here is the list if you're interested. This is the most up to date list, and as you can see, your name does not appear.


First let me start of by saying for all unaware, I'm not a mod on this site. This is by no means a complete list, and as trolling itself is subjective, so is this list. However for a long time we've had a problem with trolls on this board. This is primarily because of the lax moderation style found here. And I'll be the first to say I love the mods and the job they do. They believe in freedom first and I would rather post here than a more heavily modded board.

I am of the opinion that the only way to combat trolls is to simply starve them. For those who are new to message boards or unfamiliar with trolling, trolling is the act of posting with the sole intent to draw emotional (typically angry) responses and to stop all discussion. You cannot argue, however logically, with a troll. It will only respond to further agitate you and everyone else. So, returning to my first assertion, the only way to beat a troll is to starve it. And the only way to starve it is to completely ignore it. Hence, this list.

EDIT: New users may notice a similarity between the names on this list and other posters on this board. This because our resident troll (known as LEGION to the mods) frequently makes unimpressive parodies of other, non-troll, users here.

The following users have been identified as trolls:
Ass Cancer
Barbra Boxer
Big Gubmint
British Polluter
Charlie Bass
Daxie
Drinki Vermooth
Dumb Yankee
eixiD
El Cabong
El Toro Bravo
Felipe Calderon Hinojose
Glenn Beck
GOD
Harry Reid
Imam Abdul
James Jones
Jayrod
Joe Wilson
John Bull
Kim Jong Il
King of Troles
LEGION TROLL
Legion Troll's Troll
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
Meat is Murder
Milishah Wannabee
Mister Wonderful
Mojo
Moot the Hopple
Noah Gardner
Old Retired Fella
OppositeGrind
Philadelphia Tax Amesty
President Barack Obama
President Sarah Palin
Pu Pu Oldhoe
Reverend Jones
Reverend Bones
RStrubecci
Smarter Than All Y'all
Snarla
Southern Chicken
Southern Manlove
Southern Woman
Spurtski
Stupidity and Bile
The Bare Buttocked Pundit
TopMonkey
USAFemdom911
USEDTampon911
uthinkilooklikejamielee
wanderingbare
Waterrnark
WhiteAsBirdShit
Wide Stance junior Lawyer
Yappastitsar
Yellow Fellow
Yellow Peril
Yunt
Zurt

This list will be amended as needed. I suggest all new users, and all current users, place this list in their respective ignore lists.

Dumn Yankee
01-27-2011, 11:56 AM
What could have possibly been my logic?

Your lack of logic is a mystery to you, too?

Dumn Yankee
01-27-2011, 11:57 AM
By the way Dune, I'm not sure if you read the list thread, but here is the list if you're interested. This is the most up to date list, and as you can see, your name does not appear.

I guess Dune can sleep tonight, now.

Thanks, drunk-ass.

DamnYankee
01-27-2011, 11:58 AM
That's my point; everything I do is logical. :)

Dumn Yankee
01-27-2011, 12:00 PM
That's my point; everything I do is logical. :)

Especially when you "mis-spoke".

DamnYankee
01-27-2011, 12:02 PM
Being logical doesn't mean that you don't make minor mistakes. In fact, taking measured risks is logical, yet guarantees that you will make a mistake.

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01-27-2011, 12:06 PM
Where are the IP addresses?

You just pwned yourself, didn't you?

Where's the proof for your other fantasies?

Post it.

Do it now.

figures you would still lie

buh bye loser troll

Rune
01-27-2011, 12:13 PM
Being logical doesn't mean that you don't make minor mistakes. In fact, taking measured risks is logical, yet guarantees that you will make a mistake.

Are you sure? I mis-spelled a word, and you used that as evidence of my stupiity. Do the same rules apply to cons as libs?

Dumn Yankee
01-27-2011, 12:14 PM
figures you would still lie

buh bye loser troll

Translation: I said a bunch of shit I can't prove and got pwned....

Dumn Yankee
01-27-2011, 12:15 PM
Are you sure? I mis-spelled a word, and you used that as evidence of my stupiity. Do the same rules apply to cons as libs?

No. In fact, the laws governing the commercial sale of firearms don't apply to SM, either.

DamnYankee
01-27-2011, 12:17 PM
Are you sure? I mis-spelled a word, and you used that as evidence of my stupiity. Do the same rules apply to cons as libs?

Yes, the same rules apply. Making a mistake here and there is excusable; making spelling mistakes on nearly every post, and a sloppy grammatically error in the very post where you claim to be "more knowledgeable" is high irony. :)

Dumn Yankee
01-27-2011, 12:18 PM
Yes, the same rules apply. Making a mistake here and there is excusable; making spelling mistakes on nearly every post, and a sloppy grammatically error in the very post where you claim to be "more knowledgeable" is high irony. :)

How ironic is posting "a sloppy grammatically error"?

Cancel 2018. 3
01-27-2011, 12:20 PM
Yes, the same rules apply. Making a mistake here and there is excusable; making spelling mistakes on nearly every post, and a sloppy grammatically error in the very post where you claim to be "more knowledgeable" is high irony. :)

this is much better

'Today, 10:15 AM
Remove user from ignore listDumn Yankee
This message is hidden because Dumn Yankee is on your ignore list.

Dumn Yankee
01-27-2011, 12:21 PM
this is much better

'Today, 10:15 AM
Remove user from ignore listDumn Yankee
This message is hidden because Dumn Yankee is on your ignore list.

Butt-hurt much, loser?

Damocles
01-27-2011, 12:50 PM
Where are the IP addresses?

You just pwned yourself, didn't you?

Where's the proof for your other fantasies?

Post it.

Do it now.


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Dumn Yankee
01-27-2011, 12:51 PM
We don't post your personal information.

Thanks for admitting you cannot prove your lies.

Damocles
01-27-2011, 01:37 PM
Thanks for admitting you cannot prove your lies.
:rolleyes:

Rune
01-27-2011, 05:12 PM
How ironic is posting "a sloppy grammatically error"?

Too funny.

Canceled1
01-27-2011, 05:13 PM
:rolleyes:

I'll bet you treat mangy stray dogs well too, eh?

Rune
01-27-2011, 08:10 PM
I'll bet you treat mangy stray dogs well too, eh?

Imagine he does, since he lets you post here.

DamnYankee
01-27-2011, 09:05 PM
Dune, lighten up buddy. Why so much vitriol? :(

Canceled1
01-27-2011, 09:14 PM
Dune, lighten up buddy. Why so much vitriol? :(

I figured he would rise to the occasion. All part of the plan and it appears to be working. :good4u:

Rune
01-27-2011, 09:16 PM
Whatever

DamnYankee
01-27-2011, 09:25 PM
WhateverWhere's your liberal compassion, dude Dune? :)

Canceled2
01-27-2011, 09:51 PM
I figured he would rise to the occasion. All part of the plan and it appears to be working. :good4u:

Muahahahahaha!

"The scarecrow walks at midnight"

Rune
01-27-2011, 09:57 PM
Where's your liberal compassion, dude Dune? :)

I think I left it at the first page of this thread. I just checked, it's not there.

What I don't understand about you folks, where is the fun in debating if there is no one to debate with?

See ya.

DamnYankee
01-27-2011, 10:09 PM
I think I left it at the first page of this thread. I just checked, it's not there.

What I don't understand about you folks, where is the fun in debating if there is no one to debate with?

See ya.

Awww, don't go away mad...

Cancel 2018. 3
01-27-2011, 10:24 PM
I think I left it at the first page of this thread. I just checked, it's not there.

What I don't understand about you folks, where is the fun in debating if there is no one to debate with?

See ya.

good lord :rolleyes:

yeah, you're the only one here to debate...prima donna drama queen

Rune
01-27-2011, 10:31 PM
good lord :rolleyes:

yeah, you're the only one here to debate...prima donna drama queen

I am sure I am not the only person to lose interest after incessant, needless badgering. The name calling doen't help much either, nor the constant false acusations of trolling.

USALOYAL, you are very sick, and sickening.

Rune
01-27-2011, 10:43 PM
Awww, don't go away mad...

Not angry at all, just very disapointed,

but I know you didn't mean that anyway.

And yeah, I can't spell for shit, but it's from drain bramage, not stupidity.

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01-27-2011, 10:44 PM
I am sure I am not the only person to lose interest after incessant, needless badgering. The name calling doen't help much either, nor the constant false acusations of trolling.

USALOYAL, you are very sick, and sickening.

yeah...you never name call and saying she is sick...


Are you delusional or is this just a tactic they teach at retard school?

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q27/uhhuh35/80f8a6c6_1d48_d140-1.gif

/MSG/
01-27-2011, 11:00 PM
It takes thick skin around here Dune. Yurt's a good guy, and the other two... well fuck the other two, I just ignore them.

Plenty of fine upstanding members here.

Canceled2
01-27-2011, 11:00 PM
good lord :rolleyes:

yeah, you're the only one here to debate...prima donna drama queen

Hummm loyal made a few comments about this newbie maybe being a troll and all of sudden the newbie makes a proclamation that she is “SICK and SICKENING”...like wtf is that if not a suspicious over-reaction?

Canceled1
01-27-2011, 11:02 PM
yeah...you never name call and saying she is sick...



http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q27/uhhuh35/80f8a6c6_1d48_d140-1.gif

HARK! I think I heard a discouraging word!

I agree. Being a troll is very SICK AND SICKENING.

"Don't let the door hit'cha"... etc., etc., etc...

Canceled1
01-27-2011, 11:04 PM
It takes thick skin around here Dune. Yurt's a good guy, and the other two... well fuck the other two, I just ignore them.

Plenty of fine upstanding members here.

Oh dear. Oh where have you been Billy Boy, Billy Boy? Oh where have you been Charming Billy....?

I won't say fuck you, but I will say something you'll understand:

Cheers!

Rune
01-27-2011, 11:05 PM
yeah...you never name call and saying she is sick...



http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q27/uhhuh35/80f8a6c6_1d48_d140-1.gif

Didn't claim to be inocent, and I was refereing to you specificaly, "prima donna drama queen". I certainly never insulted you, nor did I throw the first one at anyone else except Ice Dancer, but I was describing her action, not her person.

USALOYAL has been at my throat since I first got here, never tried to get to know me or verify me like you did, constant badgering for no apparent reason other than that I anounced I was liberal in my first post. I have had enough of that, she wins. Even after I P.M.ed you my url, you jump on the troll band wagon too, likely just for brownie points with your freinds. The few moments Of pleasure I had here are far from worth the agravation.

Canceled1
01-27-2011, 11:05 PM
Hummm loyal made a few comments about this newbie maybe being a troll and all of sudden the newbie makes a proclamation that she is “SICK and SICKENING”...like wtf is that if not a suspicious over-reaction?



It only hurts when it hits the mark.

:palm:

Rune
01-27-2011, 11:09 PM
It only hurts when it hits the mark.

:palm:

No, it also hurts when you are falsely acused repeatedly.

Rune
01-27-2011, 11:13 PM
Hummm loyal made a few comments about this newbie maybe being a troll and all of sudden the newbie makes a proclamation that she is “SICK and SICKENING”...like wtf is that if not a suspicious over-reaction?

It's called being human and having feelings. Sorry you don't know that.

Cancel 2018. 3
01-27-2011, 11:15 PM
Didn't claim to be inocent, and I was refereing to you specificaly, "prima donna drama queen". I certainly never insulted you, nor did I throw the first one at anyone else except Ice Dancer, but I was describing her action, not her person.

USALOYAL has been at my throat since I first got here, never tried to get to know me or verify me like you did, constant badgering for no apparent reason other than that I anounced I was liberal in my first post. I have had enough of that, she wins. Even after I P.M.ed you my url, you jump on the troll band wagon too, likely just for brownie points with your freinds. The few moments Of pleasure I had here are far from worth the agravation.

relax...if you don't want to deal with the drama, then ignore it and stick to debates...you have to have thick skin to post here, i get razzed and insulted all the time, i don't leave, i stay and debate and razz and insult back, you'll like it here but you can't take things so personally

edit:

i start shit as well, didn't mean to infer i simply give back

Canceled2
01-27-2011, 11:16 PM
It only hurts when it hits the mark.

:palm:

I just have to say- hurt? wtf? I mean how can you possibly be hurt over something so benign and silly?

Every newbie is under suspision; a consequence of mods allowing trolls to run amok for so long. A newbie that comes across as liberal? Conservatives are suspicious-the converse is true if the newbie comes across as conservative.

Canceled2
01-27-2011, 11:16 PM
It's called being human and having feelings. Sorry you don't know that.

:palm:

Rune
01-27-2011, 11:29 PM
Damocles, please unenroll me, I can't figure out how to do it.

Rune
01-27-2011, 11:32 PM
I just have to say- hurt? wtf? I mean how can you possibly be hurt over something so benign and silly?

Every newbie is under suspision; a consequence of mods allowing trolls to run amok for so long. A newbie that comes across as liberal? Conservatives are suspicious-the converse is true if the newbie comes across as conservative.

Like I said, sorry you don't know. You personaly are proof that there is no such thing as compassionate conservatism.

/MSG/
01-27-2011, 11:35 PM
Damocles, please unenroll me, I can't figure out how to do it.
Well, strictly speaking he can cancel your account, but I'm going to try and ask you to stay one more time.

Seriously dude, give it a chance, you'll like it here.

BRUTALITOPS
01-28-2011, 01:58 AM
i barely read this thread but I am assuming the argument has something to do with dumn yankee denying to be legion/mojo etc

errrr here:
http://i.imgur.com/rQZHc.png

WinterBorn
01-28-2011, 06:38 AM
Funny, when the guy posts his beliefs he is called everything but a child of God. But when he starts returning in kind, he gets crap for being rude.

And SM, if there is a single person on this board who has no room to give people a hard time for insults, it would be you.

Dune, ignore the rabble and enjoy.

Cancel 2018. 3
01-28-2011, 07:54 AM
Damocles, please unenroll me, I can't figure out how to do it.

if you're going to let a disagreement between you and two people run you off the board....:palm:

there are many here who don't like me, call me a troll, liar etc...its part and parcel of debates at times, does it get old, yes, however, i don't let others dictate my life or where i post

i'm not sure why a new member got into it so quickly with long time members and so quickly unenrolled like a previous member - mojo....i'm not saying anything about you, but it seems odd that most of your posts have little to do with politics and more to do about legion troll

why don't you give politics a try

Canceled1
01-28-2011, 08:05 AM
if you're going to let a disagreement between you and two people run you off the board....:palm:

there are many here who don't like me, call me a troll, liar etc...its part and parcel of debates at times, does it get old, yes, however, i don't let others dictate my life or where i post

i'm not sure why a new member got into it so quickly with long time members and so quickly unenrolled like a previous member - mojo....i'm not saying anything about you, but it seems odd that most of your posts have little to do with politics and more to do about legion troll

why don't you give politics a try

Fer chrissakes! WTF? How many posts have I made about this doon thing?

At his throat? What a frickin drama queen.

TROLL!