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Care4all
08-04-2006, 05:36 PM
Las Vegas SUN
July 28, 2006

Bush Submits New Terror Detainee Bill
By ANNE PLUMMER FLAHERTY
ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON (AP) -

U.S. citizens suspected of terror ties might be detained indefinitely and barred from access to civilian courts under legislation proposed by the Bush administration, say legal experts reviewing an early version of the bill.

A 32-page draft measure is intended to authorize the Pentagon's tribunal system, established shortly after the 2001 terrorist attacks to detain and prosecute detainees captured in the war on terror. The tribunal system was thrown out last month by the Supreme Court.

Administration officials, who declined to comment on the draft, said the proposal was still under discussion and no final decisions had been made.

Senior officials are expected to discuss a final proposal before the Senate Armed Services Committee next Wednesday.

According to the draft, the military would be allowed to detain all "enemy combatants" until hostilities cease. The bill defines enemy combatants as anyone "engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners who has committed an act that violates the law of war and this statute."

Legal experts said Friday that such language is dangerously broad and could authorize the military to detain indefinitely U.S. citizens who had only tenuous ties to terror networks like al Qaeda.

"That's the big question ... the definition of who can be detained," said Martin Lederman, a law professor at Georgetown University who posted a copy of the bill to a Web blog.

Scott L. Silliman, a retired Air Force Judge Advocate, said the broad definition of enemy combatants is alarming because a U.S. citizen loosely suspected of terror ties would lose access to a civilian court - and all the rights that come with it. Administration officials have said they want to establish a secret court to try enemy combatants that factor in realities of the battlefield and would protect classified information.

The administration's proposal, as considered at one point during discussions, would toss out several legal rights common in civilian and military courts, including barring hearsay evidence, guaranteeing "speedy trials" and granting a defendant access to evidence. The proposal also would allow defendants to be barred from their own trial and likely allow the submission of coerced testimony.

Senior Republican lawmakers have said they were briefed on the general discussions and have some concerns but are awaiting a final proposal before commenting on specifics.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England are expected to discuss the proposal in an open hearing next Wednesday before the Senate Armed Services Committee. Military lawyers also are scheduled to testify Wednesday before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

The legislation is the administration's response to a June 29 Supreme Court decision, which concluded the Pentagon could not prosecute military detainees using secret tribunals established soon after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. The court ruled the tribunals were not authorized by law and violated treaty obligations under the Geneva Conventions, which established many international laws for warfare.

The landmark court decision countered long-held assertions by the Bush administration that the president did not need permission from Congress to prosecute "enemy combatants" captured in the war on terror and that al Qaeda members were not subject to Geneva Convention protections because of their unconventional status.

"In a time of ongoing armed conflict, it is neither practicable nor appropriate for enemy combatants like al Qaeda terrorists to be tried like American citizens in federal courts or courts-martial," the proposal states.

The draft proposal contends that an existing law - passed by the Senate last year after exhaustive negotiations between the White House and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. - that bans cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment should "fully satisfy" the nation's obligations under the Geneva Conventions.

Sen. John W. Warner, R-Va., chairman of the Armed Services Committee, said Friday he expects to take up the detainee legislation in September.


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A copy of the report can be found at: http://balkin.blogspot.com/

klaatu
08-04-2006, 05:57 PM
Scary and dangerous ...

On the face of it ..sure if anyone is suspected of having ties to terror cells like Al Queda ... they should or better be investigated .. but like the article states .. if the language is too broad it could be very dangerous and it potentially could cross the line where an innocent person could be acused of having links and become "detained indefinitely" .. which potentially is very scary indeed ....

Sorry for the run on ....

Immanuel
08-05-2006, 08:25 AM
In other words, if that scumbag reservist boyfriend of your daughter comes by to visit her you better let him have his way with her or you become an enemy combatant and will never see the light of day again.

This sucks. I hope Congress shoots this shit full of holes.

Immie

toby
08-05-2006, 08:30 AM
No need to get your panies in a bunch until the final draft comes out. But most of this sounds reasonable to me. My only concern would be where the suspects were captured. It would make a difference to me if if was Boston or if it was Iraq.

klaatu
08-05-2006, 04:00 PM
No need to get your panies in a bunch until the final draft comes out. But most of this sounds reasonable to me. My only concern would be where the suspects were captured. It would make a difference to me if if was Boston or if it was Iraq.


Think about what Immie said .. and think hard .. its scary shit ....

Brent
08-05-2006, 06:10 PM
I'm not too concerned.

Sir Evil
08-05-2006, 07:33 PM
"How much farther are we going to let them go?"

Who is "we", and what exactly is it that "we" will do? gonna get the posse together and march to the capitol are ya?

Really though it's a good point, I mean why the hell would we need some bill like that for as we are completely out of reach from the terrorists out there. :rolleyes: