New poll on AGW beliefs

[tinfoil]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/environment_energy/energy_update

LOL
Americans are going to vote out the warmers!
Fifty-two percent (52%) believe there continues to be significant disagreement within the scientific community over global warming, and even more (59%) say it’s at least somewhat likely that some scientists have falsified research data to support their own theories and beliefs about global warming. "


Just 34% say climate change is due primarily to human activity

[Socrtease]

34% of those polled are morons.

[Damocles]

34% of those polled are morons.
You think it is the same 34% that thought GWB was doing a great job?

[Topspin]

Polluting pets: the devastating impact of man's best friend

PARIS (AFP) – Man's best friend could be one of the environment's worst enemies, according to a new study which says the carbon pawprint of a pet dog is more than double that of a gas-guzzling sports utility vehicle.

But the revelation in the book "Time to Eat the Dog: The Real Guide to Sustainable Living" by New Zealanders Robert and Brenda Vale has angered pet owners who feel they are being singled out as troublemakers.

The Vales, specialists in sustainable living at Victoria University of Wellington, analysed popular brands of pet food and calculated that a medium-sized dog eats around 164 kilos (360 pounds) of meat and 95 kilos of cereal a year.

Combine the land required to generate its food and a "medium" sized dog has an annual footprint of 0.84 hectares (2.07 acres) -- around twice the 0.41 hectares required by a 4x4 driving 10,000 kilometres (6,200 miles) a year, including energy to build the car.

To confirm the results, the New Scientist magazine asked John Barrett at the Stockholm Environment Institute in York, Britain, to calculate eco-pawprints based on his own data. The results were essentially the same.

"Owning a dog really is quite an extravagance, mainly because of the carbon footprint of meat," Barrett said.

Other animals aren't much better for the environment, the Vales say.

Cats have an eco-footprint of about 0.15 hectares, slightly less than driving a Volkswagen Golf for a year, while two hamsters equates to a plasma television and even the humble goldfish burns energy equivalent to two mobile telephones.

But Reha Huttin, president of France's 30 Million Friends animal rights foundation says the human impact of eliminating pets would be equally devastating.

"Pets are anti-depressants, they help us cope with stress, they are good for the elderly," Huttin told AFP.

"Everyone should work out their own environmental impact. I should be allowed to say that I walk instead of using my car and that I don't eat meat, so why shouldn't I be allowed to have a little cat to alleviate my loneliness?"

Sylvie Comont, proud owner of seven cats and two dogs -- the environmental equivalent of a small fleet of cars -- says defiantly, "Our animals give us so much that I don't feel like a polluter at all.

"I think the love we have for our animals and what they contribute to our lives outweighs the environmental considerations.

"I don't want a life without animals," she told AFP.

And pets' environmental impact is not limited to their carbon footprint, as cats and dogs devastate wildlife, spread disease and pollute waterways, the Vales say.

With a total 7.7 million cats in Britain, more than 188 million wild animals are hunted, killed and eaten by feline predators per year, or an average 25 birds, mammals and frogs per cat, according to figures in the New Scientist.

Likewise, dogs decrease biodiversity in areas they are walked, while their faeces cause high bacterial levels in rivers and streams, making the water unsafe to drink, starving waterways of oxygen and killing aquatic life.

And cat poo can be even more toxic than doggy doo -- owners who flush their litter down the toilet ultimately infect sea otters and other animals with toxoplasma gondii, which causes a killer brain disease.

But despite the apocalyptic visions of domesticated animals' environmental impact, solutions exist, including reducing pets' protein-rich meat intake.

"If pussy is scoffing 'Fancy Feast' -- or some other food made from choice cuts of meat -- then the relative impact is likely to be high," said Robert Vale.

"If, on the other hand, the cat is fed on fish heads and other leftovers from the fishmonger, the impact will be lower."

Other potential positive steps include avoiding walking your dog in wildlife-rich areas and keeping your cat indoors at night when it has a particular thirst for other, smaller animals' blood.

As with buying a car, humans are also encouraged to take the environmental impact of their future possession/companion into account.

But the best way of compensating for that paw or clawprint is to make sure your animal is dual purpose, the Vales urge. Get a hen, which offsets its impact by laying edible eggs, or a rabbit, prepared to make the ultimate environmental sacrifice by ending up on the dinner table.

"Rabbits are good, provided you eat them," said Robert Vale.

[Topspin]

The warmer have crossed the line, dogs are not green and we should eat them.

Somebody kill Al Gore!!!

[Socrtease]

You think it is the same 34% that thought GWB was doing a great job?No this would be a 34% on the other side of the political spectrum.

[tinfoil]

LOL now dogs are a threat to the climate?

I can't believe how quickly people are turning on this. I asked a friend of mine what he thought about the emails and he said he hadn't even heard about it. Well, I gave him my biased summary and told him to google it. He's a proud liberal, but he's got a common sense streak that just doesn't let him look past bullshit. We have such fun debates because we can both change the other guy's mind.
Anyway, I didn't push my view too bad other than to spin the emails as a product of a whistleblower. So I told him to check it out. I also told him how the main stream media outlets were whitewashing the story because their parent companies are all invested in green tech and carbon trading.

I look foward to seeing people learn the truth

[Topspin]

This is just the start of it. I'm going to pump the dog angle till even neocons are pissed at me. Libtards are going to have anurism's.
the limosine liberals are trying to steal middle class's money by making energy more expensive. the taxes will go to the alarmist, it's the greatest hiest ever.

[tinfoil]

This is just the start of it. I'm going to pump the dog angle till even neocons are pissed at me. Libtards are going to have anurism's.
the limosine liberals are trying to steal middle class's money by making energy more expensive. the taxes will go to the alarmist, it's the greatest hiest ever.

Yep, and even when it's exposed, its followers continue on. Hilarious!!

[tinfoil]

I left my dogs out for a minute but they just got keyed

Warmers!!

[Topspin]

Next your going to have to pay carbon offsets for you shitzu!!!

[ZappasGuitar]

This is just the start of it. I'm going to pump the dog angle till even neocons are pissed at me. Libtards are going to have anurism's.
the limosine liberals are trying to steal middle class's money by making energy more expensive. the taxes will go to the alarmist, it's the greatest hiest ever.

I got a newsflash for ya.

The price of energy has been getting more and more expensive since the day man first started charging for it.

25 years ago a new car cost much less than it does today...does that mean it's all a gigantic conspiracy to rip off the middle class??

Just cause your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you...words to live by.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

I got a newsflash for ya.

The price of energy has been getting more and more expensive since the day man first started charging for it.

25 years ago a new car cost much less than it does today...does that mean it's all a gigantic conspiracy to rip off the middle class??

Just cause your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you...words to live by.

It is all a gigantic conspiracy to rip off the middle class.

I think you're wising up, ya dumb shit.

[Topspin]

I got a newsflash for ya.

The price of energy has been getting more and more expensive since the day man first started charging for it.

25 years ago a new car cost much less than it does today...does that mean it's all a gigantic conspiracy to rip off the middle class??

Just cause your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you...words to live by.

just because your a fucking tool doesn't mean we all don't have to make fun of you. Inflation is differnent than a carbon tax you turbo-lib retard.

[ZappasGuitar]

just because your a fucking tool doesn't mean we all don't have to make fun of you. Inflation is differnent than a carbon tax you turbo-lib retard.

You're supposed to be the genius.

Explain it to me.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

You're supposed to be the genius.

Explain it to me.

you need an explanation about how a carbon tax is not inflation?

Do you understand how your dick isn't a vagina? or maybe it is. You're all kinds of fucked up and stupid.

[ZappasGuitar]

you need an explanation about how a carbon tax is not inflation?

Do you understand how your dick isn't a vagina? or maybe it is. You're all kinds of fucked up and stupid.

Ooooooh! Good job!

You've proven you've got the IQ and impluse control of a 5th grader.

That explains why answering the question I put to Topspin was too much for you...

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

Ooooooh! Good job!

You've proven you've got the IQ and impluse control of a 5th grader.

That explains why answering the question I put to Topspin was too much for you...

So you do need an explanation on how a carbon tax is not inflation?

What's wrong with you?

[ZappasGuitar]

So you do need an explanation on how a carbon tax is not inflation?

What's wrong with you?

I get called stupid and worse every single day by one person or another on this board.

Humor me...

Pretend I don't get it.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

I get called stupid and worse every single day by one person or another on this board.

Humor me...

Pretend I don't get it.

I don't have to pretend.

[ZappasGuitar]

I don't have to pretend.

Whatever...

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

Whatever...

Good one. Did you still that from your 11 yr old friend?

[Topspin]

You're supposed to be the genius.

Explain it to me.

Ass clown, poor countries are going to get paid by rich countries that pollute. IE a carbon tax on gasoline may ad 50 cents to a gallon of gas for the shell game that is cap and scheme.

[ZappasGuitar]

Good one. Did you still that from your 11 yr old friend?


No, it came from the same book of 5th grade schoolyard insults you got your ridiculous dick/vagina putdown.

I figured if you weren't willing to man up and give me a straight answer, the next best thing would be to try it down at your level.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

No, it came from the same book of 5th grade schoolyard insults you got your ridiculous dick/vagina putdown.

I figured if you weren't willing to man up and give me a straight answer, the next best thing would be to try it down at your level.

A straight answer on the difference between a carbon tax and inflation?

[ZappasGuitar]

A straight answer on the difference between a carbon tax and inflation?

It's as good a place as any to start.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

It's as good a place as any to start.

Let's start with how they're the same, Your current belief.

[ZappasGuitar]

Let's start with how they're the same, Your current belief.

Is that what I believe?

Can you show me exactly where you gleaned that bit of info?

Nice dodge btw...

[Minister of Truth]

you need an explanation about how a carbon tax is not inflation?

Do you understand how your dick isn't a vagina? or maybe it is. You're all kinds of fucked up and stupid.

:rofl:

[tinfoil]

you need an explanation about how a carbon tax is not inflation?

Do you understand how your dick isn't a vagina? or maybe it is. You're all kinds of fucked up and stupid.

LOL

[cancel2 2022]

Is that what I believe?

Can you show me exactly where you gleaned that bit of info?

Nice dodge btw...

Frank always seems to have a song for every occasion.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDYMIGnBwos"

[Onceler]

Hey...looks like tinfoil finally got that "intelligent debate" he has been clamoring for on this site!

[FUCK THE POLICE]

AGW deniers are no different than Holocaust deniers or moon hoaxers - complete and total nutjobs.

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Being an AGW denier should get you a few years in prison.

[FUCK THE POLICE]

34% of those polled are morons.
The opinion of AGW deniers is irrelevant, because they're wrong. If 34% of the people say the earth revolves around the sun, they're still right. We're the good guys in this fight, you're the guys who make a huge logical leap in the face of overwhelming evidence destroying your belief.

[tinfoil]

Hey...looks like tinfoil finally got that "intelligent debate" he has been clamoring for on this site!

it's too bad the warmers are represented by the likes of watertard. Dude is calling for people to be imprisoned. LOL And you have the nerve to take issue with me? Fuck off

[Socrtease]

The opinion of AGW deniers is irrelevant, because they're wrong. If 34% of the people say the earth revolves around the sun, they're still right. We're the good guys in this fight, you're the guys who make a huge logical leap in the face of overwhelming evidence destroying your belief.But there are actually hard facts that show that the earth revolves around the sun. I can take all of Gallileo's observations and repeat them for myself. Can't do that with AGWer's because they hide their data. They don't want me to see it. They don't want me to know about the problems with tree rings and other shit. They, in short, are not as forth coming as Gallileo.

[Cancel 2016.2]

The opinion of AGW deniers is irrelevant, because they're wrong. If 34% of the people say the earth revolves around the sun, they're still right. We're the good guys in this fight, you're the guys who make a huge logical leap in the face of overwhelming evidence destroying your belief.

If the AGW fear mongers had overwhelming evidence.... then WHY don't they release the raw data Water?