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11-14-2009, 01:49 PM
FACT CHECK: Palin's book goes rogue on some facts


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AP – FILE - In this July 26, 2009, file photo, then-Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin speaks in Fairbanks, Alaska. Oh, …





By CALVIN WOODWARD, Associated Press Writer Calvin Woodward, Associated Press Writer – Sat Nov 14, 11:18 am ET
WASHINGTON – Sarah Palin's new book reprises familiar claims from the 2008 presidential campaign that haven't become any truer over time.
Ignoring substantial parts of her record if not the facts, she depicts herself as a frugal traveler on the taxpayer's dime, a reformer without ties to powerful interests and a politician roguishly indifferent to high ambition.
Palin goes adrift, at times, on more contemporary issues, too. She criticizes President Barack Obama for pushing through a bailout package that actually was achieved by his Republican predecessor George W. Bush — a package she seemed to support at the time.
A look at some of her statements in "Going Rogue," obtained by The Associated Press in advance of its release Tuesday:
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PALIN: Says she made frugality a point when traveling on state business as Alaska governor, asking "only" for reasonably priced rooms and not "often" going for the "high-end, robe-and-slippers" hotels.
THE FACTS: Although travel records indicate she usually opted for less-pricey hotels while governor, Palin and daughter Bristol stayed five days and four nights at the $707.29-per-night Essex House luxury hotel (robes and slippers come standard) overlooking New York City's Central Park for a five-hour women's leadership conference in October 2007. With air fare, the cost to Alaska was well over $3,000. Event organizers said Palin asked if she could bring her daughter. The governor billed her state more than $20,000 for her children's travel, including to events where they had not been invited, and in some cases later amended expense reports to specify that they had been on official business.
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PALIN: Boasts that she ran her campaign for governor on small donations, mostly from first-time givers, and turned back large checks from big donors if her campaign perceived a conflict of interest.
THE FACTS: Of the roughly $1.3 million she raised for her primary and general election campaigns for governor, more than half came from people and political action committees giving at least $500, according to an AP analysis of her campaign finance reports. The maximum that individual donors could give was $1,000; $2,000 for a PAC.
Of the rest, about $76,000 came from Republican Party committees.
She accepted $1,000 each from a state senator and his wife in the weeks after the two Republican lawmakers' offices were raided by the FBI as part of an investigation into a powerful Alaska oilfield services company. After AP reported those donations during the presidential campaign, she said she would give a comparative sum to charity after the general election in 2010, a date set by state election laws.
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PALIN: Rails against taxpayer-financed bailouts, which she attributes to Obama. She recounts telling daughter Bristol that to succeed in business, "you'll have to be brave enough to fail."
THE FACTS: Palin is blurring the lines between Obama's stimulus plan — a $787 billion package of tax cuts, state aid, social programs and government contracts — and the federal bailout that Republican presidential candidate John McCain voted for and President George W. Bush signed.
Palin's views on bailouts appeared to evolve as McCain's vice presidential running mate. In September 2008, she said "taxpayers cannot be looked to as the bailout, as the solution, to the problems on Wall Street." A week later, she said "ultimately what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy."
During the vice presidential debate in October, Palin praised McCain for being "instrumental in bringing folks together" to pass the $700 billion bailout. After that, she said "it is a time of crisis and government did have to step in."
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PALIN: Says Ronald Reagan faced an even worse recession than the one that appears to be ending now, and "showed us how to get out of one. If you want real job growth, cut capital gains taxes and slay the death tax once and for all."
THE FACTS: The estate tax, which some call the death tax, was not repealed under Reagan and capital gains taxes are lower now than when Reagan was president.
Economists overwhelmingly say the current recession is far worse. The recession Reagan faced lasted for 16 months; this one is in its 23rd month. The recession of the early 1980s did not have a financial meltdown. Unemployment peaked at 10.8 percent, worse than the October 2009 high of 10.2 percent, but the jobless rate is still expected to climb.
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PALIN: She says her team overseeing the development of a natural gas pipeline set up an open, competitive bidding process that allowed any company to compete for the right to build a 1,715-mile pipeline to bring natural gas from Alaska to the Lower 48.
THE FACTS: Palin characterized the pipeline deal the same way before an AP investigation found her team crafted terms that favored only a few independent pipeline companies and ultimately benefited a company with ties to her administration, TransCanada Corp. Despite promises and legal guidance not to talk directly with potential bidders during the process, Palin had meetings or phone calls with nearly every major candidate, including TransCanada.
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PALIN: Criticizes an aide to her predecessor, Gov. Frank Murkowski, for a conflict of interest because the aide represented the state in negotiations over a gas pipeline and then left to work as a handsomely paid lobbyist for ExxonMobil. Palin asserts her administration ended all such arrangements, shoving a wedge in the revolving door between special interests and the state capital.
THE FACTS: Palin ignores her own "revolving door" issue in office; the leader of her own pipeline team was a former lobbyist for a subsidiary of TransCanada, the company that ended up winning the rights to build the pipeline.
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PALIN: Writes about a city councilman in Wasilla, Alaska, who owned a garbage truck company and tried to push through an ordinance requiring residents of new subdivisions to pay for trash removal instead of taking it to the dump for free — this to illustrate conflicts of interest she stood against as a public servant.
THE FACTS: As Wasilla mayor, Palin pressed for a special zoning exception so she could sell her family's $327,000 house, then did not keep a promise to remove a potential fire hazard on the property.
She asked the city council to loosen rules for snow machine races when she and her husband owned a snow machine store, and cast a tie-breaking vote to exempt taxes on aircraft when her father-in-law owned one. But she stepped away from the table in 1997 when the council considered a grant for the Iron Dog snow machine race in which her husband competes.
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PALIN: Says Obama has admitted that the climate change policy he seeks will cause people's electricity bills to "skyrocket."
THE FACTS: She correctly quotes a comment attributed to Obama in January 2008, when he told San Francisco Chronicle editors that under his cap-and-trade climate proposal, "electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket" as utilities are forced to retrofit coal burning power plants to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.
Obama has argued since then that climate legislation can blunt the cost to consumers. Democratic legislation now before Congress calls for a variety of measures aimed at mitigating consumer costs. Several studies predict average household costs probably would be $100 to $145 a year.
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PALIN: Welcomes last year's Supreme Court decision deciding punitive damages for victims of the nation's largest oil spill tragedy, the Exxon Valdez disaster, stating it had taken 20 years to achieve victory. As governor, she says, she'd had the state argue in favor of the victims, and she says the court's ruling went "in favor of the people." Finally, she writes, Alaskans could recover some of their losses.
THE FACTS: That response is at odds with her reaction at the time to the ruling, which resolved the long-running case by reducing punitive damages for victims to $500 million from $2.5 billion. Environmentalists and plaintiffs' lawyers decried the ruling as a slap at the victims and Palin herself said she was "extremely disappointed." She said the justices had gutted a jury decision favoring higher damage awards, the Anchorage Daily News reported. "It's tragic that so many Alaska fishermen and their families have had their lives put on hold waiting for this decision," she said, noting many had died "while waiting for justice."
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PALIN: Describing her resistance to federal stimulus money, Palin describes Alaska as a practical, libertarian haven of independent Americans who don't want "help" from government busybodies.
THE FACTS: Alaska is also one of the states most dependent on federal subsidies, receiving much more assistance from Washington than it pays in federal taxes. A study for the nonpartisan Tax Foundation found that in 2005, the state received $1.84 for every dollar it sent to Washington.
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PALIN: Says she tried to talk about national security and energy independence in her interview with Vogue magazine but the interviewer wanted her to pivot from hydropower to high fashion.
THE FACTS are somewhat in dispute. Vogue contributing editor Rebecca Johnson said Palin did not go on about hydropower. "She just kept talking about drilling for oil."
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PALIN: "Was it ambition? I didn't think so. Ambition drives; purpose beckons." Throughout the book, Palin cites altruistic reasons for running for office, and for leaving early as Alaska governor.
THE FACTS: Few politicians own up to wanting high office for the power and prestige of it, and in this respect, Palin fits the conventional mold. But "Going Rogue" has all the characteristics of a pre-campaign manifesto, the requisite autobiography of the future candidate.
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meme
11-14-2009, 01:59 PM
hahaha, they are so scared of Palin they have to do a FACT CHECK on her book, sorta like Cnn doing a fact check on a comedy skit of the Hugo...did the AP do a fact check of the Hugo Obamas books I wonder?
..doesn't matter, her book was number one on the best sellers BEFORE it was even released...SWEET JUSTICE in their face...:cof1:

evince
11-14-2009, 02:30 PM
Scared????

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Its so sweet to have the opposition be so in the dark about thier own path to power.

Go Palin

meme
11-14-2009, 02:33 PM
Scared????

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Its so sweet to have the opposition be so in the dark about thier own path to power.

Go Palin

Go Palin is right on...here she comes..

meme
11-14-2009, 03:31 PM
It's a matter of priorities

With the pending release of Sarah Palin's book Going Rogue, the mainstream media decided to do some "fact checking". As such, the Associated Press dispatched several reporters to decipher the factual basis of a book written by a failed Vice Presidential candidate who no longer holds any official position in politics.

In the end, the AP contends that the former governor of Alaska may have fudged on some things, like Palin's claims of frugality when conducting state business. However, the AP's exhaustive research uncovered one instance where a five-day trip to a women's leadership conference cost the Alaskan taxpayers (GASP) $3,000!!

Seriously?!?!?!

Say, now that you're done with that all-important, vital piece of "fact-checking", I suggest taking on a much more daunting (if not infinitely more relevant) task: How about reading the entire 1,900+ page health care bill which recently passed in the U.S. House? Any chance you could uphold the claims made by Nancy Pelosi & Co. that this abomination bill wouldn't threaten the financial sovereignty of our country? How about the proclamation that Americans will not face steep fines for not enrolling in government-run health insurance? And lastly, the emphatic denials by liberals that a bunch of government bureaucrats would be given the purview of deciding the amount of health care sickly people would receive.

Get back to us on that, will ya?
http://bradley1969.blogspot.com/2009/11/its-matter-of-priorities.html

Beefy
11-14-2009, 03:45 PM
Go Palin is right on...here she comes..

Seriously, if the Republicans are stupid enough to get behind this idiot Palin, they have it coming. Have they lost all competence? they learned nothing after dragging old man Dole through the '96 election, and 12 years later, they dust off the corpse of John McCain, who was even older than Dole was.

If McCain dies before 2013, his legacy will be "we would have had Palin as President" and anything else he ever did in his career will be forgotten.

Get behind Palin and you might as well be backing the Democrats. She's a total disaster and completely unfit for high office. But its dogmatic for some of you apparently, to worship this meat-headed, know nothing, two bit political hack. And the Democrats thank you. Thanks for pushing this country to the fucking left with your support of this dopey, washed up, ambitious hausfrau.

Thanks a fucking lot.

meme
11-14-2009, 03:50 PM
Seriously, if the Republicans are stupid enough to get behind this idiot Palin, they have it coming. Have they lost all competence? they learned nothing after dragging old man Dole through the '96 election, and 12 years later, they dust off the corpse of John McCain, who was even older than Dole was.

If McCain dies before 2013, his legacy will be "we would have had Palin as President" and anything else he ever did in his career will be forgotten.

Get behind Palin and you might as well be backing the Democrats. She's a total disaster and completely unfit for high office. But its dogmatic for some of you apparently, to worship this meat-headed, know nothing, two bit political hack. And the Democrats thank you. Thanks for pushing this country to the fucking left with your support of this dopey, washed up, ambitious hausfrau.

Thanks a fucking lot.

oh yeah unfit for office...what she isn't as fit as that community organizer and barley a junior Senator in office now..she was only a mayor and a governor of a state..I guess those jobs are nothing compared to community organizing..

and the funny part in all this is she hasn't said she is running for President.
so all your teeth gnashing and cussing is all for nothing..but if it blows your skirt up..LOL

Beefy
11-14-2009, 03:59 PM
oh yeah unfit for office...what she isn't as fit as that community organizer and barley a junior Senator in office now..she was only a mayor and a governor of a state..I guess those jobs are nothing compared to community organizing..

and the funny part in all this is she hasn't said she is running for President.
so all your teeth gnashing and cussing is all for nothing..but if it blows your skirt up..LOL

Oh, sorry, I didn't realize that we were having a referendum on Obama.

And if you think that her political ambitions ended when she quit her job then you really are as dumb as you appear. She doesn't even have to run for president there brain cell. All she has to do is get 20% of the Republican lemmings to follow her around, which she already has, and you splinter the party even further, ensuring that the Democrats score easy victories.

Every time one of you uninformed willfull lemmings regurgitates a Palin talking point, somewhere a Democrat jizzes his pants.

Good god, grow a brain.

meme
11-14-2009, 04:04 PM
Oh, sorry, I didn't realize that we were having a referendum on Obama.

And if you think that her political ambitions ended when she quit her job then you really are as dumb as you appear. She doesn't have to run for president there brain cell. All she has to do is get 20% of the Republican lemmings to follow her around, which she already has, and you splinter the party even further, ensuring that the Democrats score easy victories.

Every time one of you uninformed willfull lemmings regurgitates a Palin talking point, somewhere a Democrat jizzes his pants.

Good god, grow a brain.

now people aren't suppose to speak their mind or they might scare off those poor Republican voters..

and how do you know about Democrats and jizze..

Beefy
11-14-2009, 04:08 PM
now people aren't suppose to speak their mind or they might scare off those poor Republican voters..

and it seems like you know about lemmings and jizze..

No, you're not speaking your mind meme, you're letting some moron for Alaska do so for you, and in the end, you hurt the conservative cause. Its not that complicated. Well, maybe it is for you, but with a little effort, I think you just might be able to think for yourself.

Try it sometime, its very liberating.

meme
11-14-2009, 04:13 PM
No, you're not speaking your mind meme, you're letting some moron for Alaska do so for you, and in the end, you hurt the conservative cause. Its not that complicated. Well, maybe it is for you, but with a little effort, I think you just might be able to think for yourself.

Try it sometime, its very liberating.

wrong bucko, I liked Sarah Palin when she was my Governor and I like her today..I speak on things as I see them, if it hurts a party then too damn bad.

Annie
11-14-2009, 04:16 PM
FACT CHECK: Palin's book goes rogue on some facts


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AP – FILE - In this July 26, 2009, file photo, then-Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin speaks in Fairbanks, Alaska. Oh, …





By CALVIN WOODWARD, Associated Press Writer Calvin Woodward, Associated Press Writer – Sat Nov 14, 11:18 am ET
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11 AP writers, all for former governor of Alaska. Wow, she must really rattle the cage to get all that attention and time, for how many 'errors?'

While she's not my cup of tea, she sure has some 'mighty smart people' concerned. 11 writers for one book, nothing much going on lately? Not the economy, terrorism, HIVI? Sarah Palin. :cig:

Beefy
11-14-2009, 04:16 PM
wrong bucko, I liked Sarah Palin when she was my Governor and I like her today..I speak on things as I see them, if it hurts a party then too damn bad.

Okay then, just as long as your aware of the damage you do. Just make sure to keep the democrats stocked up with clean boxers. They'll thank you for that too.

christiefan915
11-14-2009, 04:22 PM
hahaha, they are so scared of Palin they have to do a FACT CHECK on her book, sorta like Cnn doing a fact check on a comedy skit of the Hugo...did the AP do a fact check of the Hugo Obamas books I wonder?
..doesn't matter, her book was number one on the best sellers BEFORE it was even released...SWEET JUSTICE in their face...:cof1:

Ha ha ha, is the right so scared of Michael Moore they had to do a fact check on his movies?

Yeah, her book is number one with Amazon, especially after they discounted it 70% to a mere $9.00. Half.com also cut the price to $9.01, and other sellers have discounted it, too. Bet they'll be giving it away before long. :D

Dixie - In Memoriam
11-14-2009, 04:24 PM
Seriously, if the Republicans are stupid enough to get behind this idiot Palin, they have it coming. Have they lost all competence? they learned nothing after dragging old man Dole through the '96 election, and 12 years later, they dust off the corpse of John McCain, who was even older than Dole was.

If McCain dies before 2013, his legacy will be "we would have had Palin as President" and anything else he ever did in his career will be forgotten.

Get behind Palin and you might as well be backing the Democrats. She's a total disaster and completely unfit for high office. But its dogmatic for some of you apparently, to worship this meat-headed, know nothing, two bit political hack. And the Democrats thank you. Thanks for pushing this country to the fucking left with your support of this dopey, washed up, ambitious hausfrau.

Thanks a fucking lot.


Millions and millions are already behind Gov. Palin, and more will certainly follow. She is dripping with charisma, and literally dwarfs Obama or anyone else on the political scene, in terms of crowds who show up to hear her speak, or buy her book, or watch her on SNL, or hold a press conference... etc., etc., etc.

It is really cute how you left-wing nitwits continue to pretend Palin is some kind of pariah, who has no possible chance of making it in politics. And how us republicans would be stupid to support her... thou dost protest too much!

It's telling that MSM and the Liberals are going to soooooo much trouble to "fact check" her book, and are being so vocal about her, when she is supposedly an insignificant nobody. If you really thought Palin was no threat, and totally inept at national politics, you would shut up, let her book come out, let people read it and see what a dunderhead she is, and by 2010, she would be as politically obscure as Dan Quayle. But here is the problem, you are lying to us about how you really feel!

You know this woman poses a real political threat to Obamaism! You know that once she gets that good old Ronald Reagan conservative momentum going, you won't be able to stop her, nothing will. Conservatives will totally sweep power in every area of government, and stand liberalism on its head, so you have to act quickly to stifle Palin at the gate. That's what this is all about, and we know it!

ZappasGuitar
11-14-2009, 04:24 PM
oh yeah unfit for office...what she isn't as fit as that community organizer and barley a junior Senator in office now..she was only a mayor and a governor of a state..I guess those jobs are nothing compared to community organizing..

and the funny part in all this is she hasn't said she is running for President.
so all your teeth gnashing and cussing is all for nothing..but if it blows your skirt up..LOL

Now there's a campaign slogan the Republicans can get behind in 2012:

"Palin: She's as fit as that "community organizer"

Galvanizing!

christiefan915
11-14-2009, 04:27 PM
wrong bucko, I liked Sarah Palin when she was my Governor and I like her today..I speak on things as I see them, if it hurts a party then too damn bad.

A lot of people liked her as governor. Didn't she have the highest popularity rating for awhile? It's just that her perspective of federal government didn't translate well to the majority, which is not as conservative as she is.

Beefy
11-14-2009, 04:36 PM
Millions and millions are already behind Gov. Palin, and more will certainly follow. She is dripping with charisma, and literally dwarfs Obama or anyone else on the political scene, in terms of crowds who show up to hear her speak, or buy her book, or watch her on SNL, or hold a press conference... etc., etc., etc.

It is really cute how you left-wing nitwits continue to pretend Palin is some kind of pariah, who has no possible chance of making it in politics. And how us republicans would be stupid to support her... thou dost protest too much!



And our resident Big-Government conservative chimes in chimes in with more typically mindless nonsense. You keep on beating that drum Dix, you're only ensuring a longer than necessary one-party rule on the national level. Sure, your beloved party will pick up seats in the next election, you'll start running around claiming that its because of Palin or whatever, but they won't win any majorities, and by 2012, if Palin is still rallying up the lemmings, the (R) won't have a prayer at anything.


It's telling that MSM and the Liberals are going to soooooo much trouble to "fact check" her book, and are being so vocal about her, when she is supposedly an insignificant nobody. If you really thought Palin was no threat, and totally inept at national politics, you would shut up, let her book come out, let people read it and see what a dunderhead she is, and by 2010, she would be as politically obscure as Dan Quayle. But here is the problem, you are lying to us about how you really feel!


Obviously, it would be poor strategy for the left to wish for Palin to ride off quietly into the sunset. As long as she's a mouthpiece for you rank and file Republican lemmings who place party over self interest, its good for the Democrats. Even someone who is as wrong as often as you should be able to see this. I see her as a threat to political divisions in Washington in the future. Believe it or not, I fucking cannot STAND single party rule in the Federal Government. You seem to like it, as you were running around defending W and the (R) tirelessly when they were fucking the country up for 6 years. Well, I don't and herein lies my opposition to escalating Palin to a deity like you big-government conservative types.


You know this woman poses a real political threat to Obamaism! You know that once she gets that good old Ronald Reagan conservative momentum going, you won't be able to stop her, nothing will. Conservatives will totally sweep power in every area of government, and stand liberalism on its head, so you have to act quickly to stifle Palin at the gate. That's what this is all about, and we know it!

If that happens, I will be pleased so long as its honest conservatism. But you and I have different definitions of what "Conservatism" is. Your brand of nation-building, war/death, intrusion on people's private lives, borrow and spend economics....... is vastly different than mine.

All I can hope for right now is that we don't have single party control in DC for ages and ages because people like you have decided to deify some air headed nitwit that couldn't run a 7-11.

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11-14-2009, 04:56 PM
Ha ha ha, is the right so scared of Michael Moore they had to do a fact check on his movies?

Yeah, her book is number one with Amazon, especially after they discounted it 70% to a mere $9.00. Half.com also cut the price to $9.01, and other sellers have discounted it, too. Bet they'll be giving it away before long. :D

Let's hope that that her book is remaindered along with her political aspirations.

Cancel 2018. 3
11-14-2009, 07:48 PM
hahaha, they are so scared of Palin they have to do a FACT CHECK on her book, sorta like Cnn doing a fact check on a comedy skit of the Hugo...did the AP do a fact check of the Hugo Obamas books I wonder?..doesn't matter, her book was number one on the best sellers BEFORE it was even released...SWEET JUSTICE in their face...:cof1:

absolutely good point.....and of course the answer is no....

obama was literally treated like royalty, no other candidate has ever been treated so reverently

Cancel 2018. 3
11-14-2009, 07:51 PM
Now there's a campaign slogan the Republicans can get behind in 2012:

"Palin: She's as fit as that "community organizer"

Galvanizing!

nah...the liberal lemmings ignored experience in 08'.....but will dishonestly claim it matters in '12

mark my words

Canceled2
11-14-2009, 08:15 PM
It's a matter of priorities

With the pending release of Sarah Palin's book Going Rogue, the mainstream media decided to do some "fact checking". As such, the Associated Press dispatched several reporters to decipher the factual basis of a book written by a failed Vice Presidential candidate who no longer holds any official position in politics.

In the end, the AP contends that the former governor of Alaska may have fudged on some things, like Palin's claims of frugality when conducting state business. However, the AP's exhaustive research uncovered one instance where a five-day trip to a women's leadership conference cost the Alaskan taxpayers (GASP) $3,000!!

Seriously?!?!?!

Say, now that you're done with that all-important, vital piece of "fact-checking", I suggest taking on a much more daunting (if not infinitely more relevant) task: How about reading the entire 1,900+ page health care bill which recently passed in the U.S. House? Any chance you could uphold the claims made by Nancy Pelosi & Co. that this abomination bill wouldn't threaten the financial sovereignty of our country? How about the proclamation that Americans will not face steep fines for not enrolling in government-run health insurance? And lastly, the emphatic denials by liberals that a bunch of government bureaucrats would be given the purview of deciding the amount of health care sickly people would receive.

Get back to us on that, will ya?
http://bradley1969.blogspot.com/2009/11/its-matter-of-priorities.html

Or how about the costs to tax payer's for Oblama's date nights, failed trip to Denmark or the cost to taxpayers and the moments of fear for that fly over photo-op in NY NY!

Leave it to pansy-assed Tom to post this tripe!

Dixie - In Memoriam
11-14-2009, 08:31 PM
And our resident Big-Government conservative chimes in chimes in with more typically mindless nonsense. You keep on beating that drum Dix, you're only ensuring a longer than necessary one-party rule on the national level. Sure, your beloved party will pick up seats in the next election, you'll start running around claiming that its because of Palin or whatever, but they won't win any majorities, and by 2012, if Palin is still rallying up the lemmings, the (R) won't have a prayer at anything.

Which mindless nonsense... Palin is wildly charismatic and popular, or no tenable reason exists for the level of vocal opposition from the left, except for sheer political fear? I'm not beating any drum just yet, have you taken my commentary to be an endorsement of Palin? I am merely calling into question the lambasting of Palin by the left, and the flat out lie that it's because you think she is incompetent. You can do your little spoofs and make fun of her, you can act like she hasn't been governor of a state, and isn't literate enough to even write a book, much less have a #1 bestseller debut. But the wrath is coming boys and girls... whine and moan, cuss and groan, the wrath is coming.


Obviously, it would be poor strategy for the left to wish for Palin to ride off quietly into the sunset. As long as she's a mouthpiece for you rank and file Republican lemmings who place party over self interest, its good for the Democrats.

Ah, but you make my point for me! This seems to be exactly what the left wants Palin to do, or thinks should happen to Palin... she should go find a hole to crawl into and die... It makes no sense, does it? If it's such poor strategy to wish Palin would ride off in the sunset, why do Democrats continue to express a desire for Palin to ride off in the sunset? Seems they should be having just the opposite reaction, and encourage Palin to speak more....embrace her like they embraced McCain... keep her talking... but that's not how they are reacting at all, is it? Nooo... it makes no sense.


Even someone who is as wrong as often as you should be able to see this. I see her as a threat to political divisions in Washington in the future. Believe it or not, I fucking cannot STAND single party rule in the Federal Government. You seem to like it, as you were running around defending W and the (R) tirelessly when they were fucking the country up for 6 years. Well, I don't and herein lies my opposition to escalating Palin to a deity like you big-government conservative types.


Well this is a good time to point out, you are a Libertarian, and your self-interest of keeping the left and right muddled and fragmented, it benefits your Libertarian party ambitions. This is why you attack Palin, to help the left block any momentum she may obtain, and apparent in your quote, you know she is fully capable of. As for your side-rant about my "defending W" ...I defended W when he deserved defense, and I also criticized W when he deserved criticism. I will be the same with Palin, or whoever is ultimately president. I don't favor Big Government, have never advocated or endorsed it in anything I have ever posted, and again, you just throw out a bold face lie and hope no one notices.


If that happens, I will be pleased so long as its honest conservatism. But you and I have different definitions of what "Conservatism" is. Your brand of nation-building, war/death, intrusion on people's private lives, borrow and spend economics....... is vastly different than mine.

All I can hope for right now is that we don't have single party control in DC for ages and ages because people like you have decided to deify some air headed nitwit that couldn't run a 7-11.

Again, if you really thought Palin were an air-headed nitwit incapable of running a 7-11, you wouldn't be this motivated to speak out against her as you have. She wouldn't be a threat to you at all, if that is what you really believed. You are lying to people, plain and simple. In one breath, you tell us how you fear her potential of causing one-party rule, in the next, she isn't capable of walking and chewing gum... which one is it? Or maybe it's going to be another George W. Bush thing, where in spite of being the only MBA President ever, and graduate of Harvard AND Yale, and despite the fact that he out-snookered Democrats in two elections, not to mention his masterminding the whole New World Order thing... he was a complete bumbling incomptetent idiot.... Is it one of those kind of contradictions again?

Lowaicue
11-14-2009, 08:42 PM
[QUOTE=Dixie;553472]Which mindless nonsense... Palin is wildly charismatic and popular,

QUOTE]

By saying this do you not realise the insult you are aiming at sensible America? She looks the kind if dumb broad you would shun had she the temerity to move into your neighbourhood. I wouldn't trust her to dress herself let alone run anything. You can tell she is thick just by looking at her.
If you think she has charisma it is no wonder you will believe anything the republicans tell you.

Beefy
11-14-2009, 08:57 PM
Which mindless nonsense... Palin is wildly charismatic and popular, or no tenable reason exists for the level of vocal opposition from the left, except for sheer political fear? I'm not beating any drum just yet, have you taken my commentary to be an endorsement of Palin? I am merely calling into question the lambasting of Palin by the left, and the flat out lie that it's because you think she is incompetent. You can do your little spoofs and make fun of her, you can act like she hasn't been governor of a state, and isn't literate enough to even write a book, much less have a #1 bestseller debut. But the wrath is coming boys and girls... whine and moan, cuss and groan, the wrath is coming.

No, no endorsement of her at all.

"You know this woman poses a real political threat to Obamaism! You know that once she gets that good old Ronald Reagan conservative momentum going, you won't be able to stop her, nothing will. Conservatives will totally sweep power in every area of government, and stand liberalism on its head, so you have to act quickly to stifle Palin at the gate. That's what this is all about, and we know it!"

Sure doesn't sound like an endorsement to me! Good on you Dix, it only took you one post to contradict yourself.

I'm taking the stance that for all the slobber you're applying to her, she's going to have the opposite effect of what you hope for. She's not the messiah, and she's going to be an impediment to getting a balance of power in DC. That's my stance.




Ah, but you make my point for me! This seems to be exactly what the left wants Palin to do, or thinks should happen to Palin... she should go find a hole to crawl into and die... It makes no sense, does it? If it's such poor strategy to wish Palin would ride off in the sunset, why do Democrats continue to express a desire for Palin to ride off in the sunset? Seems they should be having just the opposite reaction, and encourage Palin to speak more....embrace her like they embraced McCain... keep her talking... but that's not how they are reacting at all, is it? Nooo... it makes no sense.

The left wants her to be controversial Dix. They want this fire under her. And if they weren't hollering about her, she would have ended up being a $200 question on Jeopardy 4 years from now. Not everything is face value. I would like to see her go away so that some competent people could have the spotlight. When she's under pressure, she's a caricature and an embarrassment. She's shown this to be true time and again. She will end up turning your party into another sideshow.




Well this is a good time to point out, you are a Libertarian, and your self-interest of keeping the left and right muddled and fragmented, it benefits your Libertarian party ambitions. This is why you attack Palin, to help the left block any momentum she may obtain, and apparent in your quote, you know she is fully capable of. As for your side-rant about my "defending W" ...I defended W when he deserved defense, and I also criticized W when he deserved criticism. I will be the same with Palin, or whoever is ultimately president. I don't favor Big Government, have never advocated or endorsed it in anything I have ever posted, and again, you just throw out a bold face lie and hope no one notices.

I saw you defend big government for the last 6 years. So I'm just making an observation. You defend big government so long as the letter next to the team is an R. What can I do but observe?:dunno:

The reason I don't want to see Palin gain momentum with the lemmings is that she will guarantee that there i single party rule in congress and the whitehouse, and you and I both know what a mess that turns out to be (yes, even when the Republicans hold it).




Again, if you really thought Palin were an air-headed nitwit incapable of running a 7-11, you wouldn't be this motivated to speak out against her as you have. She wouldn't be a threat to you at all, if that is what you really believed. You are lying to people, plain and simple. In one breath, you tell us how you fear her potential of causing one-party rule, in the next, she isn't capable of walking and chewing gum... which one is it? Or maybe it's going to be another George W. Bush thing, where in spite of being the only MBA President ever, and graduate of Harvard AND Yale, and despite the fact that he out-snookered Democrats in two elections, not to mention his masterminding the whole New World Order thing... he was a complete bumbling incomptetent idiot.... Is it one of those kind of contradictions again?

Somehow I knew that you'd crowbar some Bush worship into this thread. You always seem to manage to. Look, it doesn't take much to galvanize about 10% of the public, obviously. Palin's got you and some other wingnuts on the hook. And rational conservatives can see that she's not the right stuff. You're just going to splinter any movement there might be to split up this disaster we have in power now.

So thanks. In the end you'll get your big government. Just be careful what you wish for.

FUCK THE POLICE
11-14-2009, 09:01 PM
When it comes to Palin, I don't fear for myself, I don't fear for the Democrats, I fear for the American people. She is a rabble-rousing piece of human garbage.

FUCK THE POLICE
11-14-2009, 09:03 PM
Seriously, if the Republicans are stupid enough to get behind this idiot Palin, they have it coming. Have they lost all competence? they learned nothing after dragging old man Dole through the '96 election, and 12 years later, they dust off the corpse of John McCain, who was even older than Dole was.

If McCain dies before 2013, his legacy will be "we would have had Palin as President" and anything else he ever did in his career will be forgotten.

Get behind Palin and you might as well be backing the Democrats. She's a total disaster and completely unfit for high office. But its dogmatic for some of you apparently, to worship this meat-headed, know nothing, two bit political hack. And the Democrats thank you. Thanks for pushing this country to the fucking left with your support of this dopey, washed up, ambitious hausfrau.

Thanks a fucking lot.

She is unfit for office, but I think she can absolutely win.

Cancel 2018. 3
11-14-2009, 09:04 PM
When it comes to Palin, I don't fear for myself, I don't fear for the Democrats, I fear for the American people. She is a rabble-rousing piece of human garbage.

KILL CONSERVATIVES

Beefy
11-14-2009, 09:11 PM
She is unfit for office, but I think she can absolutely win.

Then you're just as stupid as the rest of them.

FUCK THE POLICE
11-14-2009, 10:24 PM
Then you're just as stupid as the rest of them.

If Ronald Reagan can win, any loony can win.

Cancel 2018. 3
11-14-2009, 10:33 PM
If Ronald Reagan can win, any loony can win.

hey monica.....i gots this cigar

FUCK THE POLICE
11-14-2009, 10:40 PM
I think one of the major failings of this century has been the overestimation of the intelligence of the voters. Imagine all the Socialists in German in the early 30's cheering Hitler on... because, after all, HE COULD NEVER WIN! He would be incompetent in power and screw things up! Surely this would just damage the moderate opposition and result in the complete and total inelectability of the right for generations! This was actually the Communist slogan: "After Hitler, our turn!"

Yes, well the turn never came. Hitler just took power and killed all the Socialists and liberals. Extremist, incompetent forces can always take power by rousing the rabble.

Beefy
11-15-2009, 12:13 AM
Sure, you can use a completely unrelated and hyperbolic analogy to describe why Palin is electable.

"They elected an ACTIVIST with a bad haircut and MOUSTACHE after the treaty of Versailles forced Germany to PAY for WWI! That means PALIN is ELECTABLE!!!"

Moron, think a little.

FUCK THE POLICE
11-15-2009, 12:14 AM
My actual point was that the Republicans are Nazi's and that Palin is Hitler.

Dixie - In Memoriam
11-15-2009, 12:25 AM
No, no endorsement of her at all.

"You know this woman poses a real political threat to Obamaism! You know that once she gets that good old Ronald Reagan conservative momentum going, you won't be able to stop her, nothing will. Conservatives will totally sweep power in every area of government, and stand liberalism on its head, so you have to act quickly to stifle Palin at the gate. That's what this is all about, and we know it!"

Sure doesn't sound like an endorsement to me! Good on you Dix, it only took you one post to contradict yourself.

I don't read an endorsement there, I am merely stating the obvious. As I said in the "prediction" thread, I don't know who the R's ultimately nominate, that remains to be seen. At the present time, I think Palin is in the driver seat, that's just my opinion, not an endorsement. Pointing out that you are lying to us about your feelings toward Palin, is not me endorsing Palin, it's me pointing out you are lying.


I'm taking the stance that for all the slobber you're applying to her, she's going to have the opposite effect of what you hope for. She's not the messiah, and she's going to be an impediment to getting a balance of power in DC. That's my stance.

Right, and we can read "balance of power" to mean more libertarianism. Either you believe as you stated, that she is an air head who can't run a 7-11... OR, you believe she poses a legitimate political threat to your personal political ideology. I think we are all smart enough to know which one it is.


The left wants her to be controversial Dix. They want this fire under her. And if they weren't hollering about her, she would have ended up being a $200 question on Jeopardy 4 years from now. Not everything is face value. I would like to see her go away so that some competent people could have the spotlight. When she's under pressure, she's a caricature and an embarrassment. She's shown this to be true time and again. She will end up turning your party into another sideshow.

LOL... again... IF that were what you really believed, you would shut the fuck up and let it happen, because turning our party into a sideshow helps your party! You're right, not everything is face value, especially with two faced liars like yourself, eh? Why don't you stop putting on the charade? Just admit that Palin scares the living bejesus out of you politically, and you know damn well what she is capable of. Yes, I know you would like to see her go away, it is obvious in your baseless commentary about her! Problem is, she isn't going away, so you ratchet up the rhetoric, get a little more outrageous and vocal about her, try everything your little pea brain can muster to persuade others not to support her, including insulting them if they do. And it's just not working... that must be frustrating!


I saw you defend big government for the last 6 years. So I'm just making an observation. You defend big government so long as the letter next to the team is an R. What can I do but observe?:dunno:


No, you saw me defending a president being attacked for everything under the sun by the left. If you read anything I posted, you saw me condemning Bush and Republicans for deficit spending, in spite of the letter next to their names.



The reason I don't want to see Palin gain momentum with the lemmings is that she will guarantee that there i single party rule in congress and the whitehouse, and you and I both know what a mess that turns out to be (yes, even when the Republicans hold it).

At least we are getting closer to the truth here. I'm glad I could provide the therapy to help you work through your angst toward Palin and realize your opposition to her is legitimately based on your fear of her politically, and not because of all the things you claim to believe about her competence.


Somehow I knew that you'd crowbar some Bush worship into this thread. You always seem to manage to. Look, it doesn't take much to galvanize about 10% of the public, obviously. Palin's got you and some other wingnuts on the hook. And rational conservatives can see that she's not the right stuff. You're just going to splinter any movement there might be to split up this disaster we have in power now.

Again, if this is what you truly believed, you would get out of the way and let it happen, because it would do nothing but benefit Libertarians for that to happen! If 10% of the public was all she was able to galvanize, you wouldn't be shaking in your political boots, would you? Let's stop with the lies, Beefster! Just go back to being honest like you were in the previous paragraph, because this lying is just not passing the bullshit test.


So thanks. In the end you'll get your big government. Just be careful what you wish for.

Gosh, all I ever hear Palin talking about is smaller government. She's been pretty consistent with that message too. Unlike your message, which seems to be jumping logic left and right, as I've pointed out.

Beefy
11-15-2009, 12:49 AM
I don't read an endorsement there, I am merely stating the obvious. As I said in the "prediction" thread, I don't know who the R's ultimately nominate, that remains to be seen. At the present time, I think Palin is in the driver seat, that's just my opinion, not an endorsement. Pointing out that you are lying to us about your feelings toward Palin, is not me endorsing Palin, it's me pointing out you are lying.

Okay then. Raving about how she's going to bring about the fantasy you want and how she's everything you need to make that happen is not an endorsement. How about this then, you don't "endorse" her, but you really, really want her to get the spotlight and you'll do anything you can to make that happen, including throwing your goals under the bus. Not and "endorsement" just a willingness to back her up all the way. Whatever you want to call it Dix, doesn't matter to me. Its your intentions that show, not the labels.




Right, and we can read "balance of power" to mean more libertarianism. Either you believe as you stated, that she is an air head who can't run a 7-11... OR, you believe she poses a legitimate political threat to your personal political ideology. I think we are all smart enough to know which one it is.

No, its not an either or. But I can understand how someone of your stature can't see that there are more than "THIS" or "THAT". Two options? That's all your little lemming Hannity head can see? She's an air head capable of hypnotizing you and about 10% of the populace. Jesus are you black and white. Seriously you should learn that there are opinions that do not subscribe to your thought that are not exact, polar opposites. Two shades us all you see. Even lemmings see shades of grey. Maybe "lemming" is giving you too much credit.




LOL... again... IF that were what you really believed, you would shut the fuck up and let it happen, because turning our party into a sideshow helps your party! You're right, not everything is face value, especially with two faced liars like yourself, eh? Why don't you stop putting on the charade? Just admit that Palin scares the living bejesus out of you politically, and you know damn well what she is capable of. Yes, I know you would like to see her go away, it is obvious in your baseless commentary about her! Problem is, she isn't going away, so you ratchet up the rhetoric, get a little more outrageous and vocal about her, try everything your little pea brain can muster to persuade others not to support her, including insulting them if they do. And it's just not working... that must be frustrating!

Unlike you Dix, I don't have a party. I don't allow organizations to dictate my beliefs, like certain Republicans in this thread. I can see that you've firmly planted yourself in the Palin camp come hell or high water, principle and progress be damned. Well, they are damned. And if she's not going away, then she's not going away, but don't expect me to cheerlead like you. I don't let massive, big-government organizations speak for me. So you won't hear me parrot party lines.




No, you saw me defending a president being attacked for everything under the sun by the left. If you read anything I posted, you saw me condemning Bush and Republicans for deficit spending, in spite of the letter next to their names.

No, you put in a line here and there, but overall, you let the spending, the imperialism, the spying on out own citizens, the government expansion, you
let all that slide, for the little, itty bitty letter (R)



At least we are getting closer to the truth here. I'm glad I could provide the therapy to help you work through your angst toward Palin and realize your opposition to her is legitimately based on your fear of her politically, and not because of all the things you claim to believe about her competence.

This is more gibberish. Nonsensicle gibberish, but thanks for it.



Again, if this is what you truly believed, you would get out of the way and let it happen, because it would do nothing but benefit Libertarians for that to happen! If 10% of the public was all she was able to galvanize, you wouldn't be shaking in your political boots, would you? Let's stop with the lies, Beefster! Just go back to being honest like you were in the previous paragraph, because this lying is just not passing the bullshit test.

You don't even know what its like to not have a party telling you what to believe! Holy shit, you can't separate Party from Ideology! Wow, I wonder how you would think if you didn't have a vast political organization telling you how to think. Politics = party to you. Wake up Dix, Jeebus. Its not about parties, ITS ABOUT PEOPLE FOOL!




Gosh, all I ever hear Palin talking about is smaller government. She's been pretty consistent with that message too. Unlike your message, which seems to be jumping logic left and right, as I've pointed out.

Well, that should be the death knell for you. Small government means less war, less invasion into the bedroom, less governance on personal freedom, less spending, less eavesdropping, all things you defended when W was in power.

You're a walking cartoon, a joke. And a bad one at that.

Dixie - In Memoriam
11-15-2009, 02:23 AM
Okay then. Raving about how she's going to bring about the fantasy you want and how she's everything you need to make that happen is not an endorsement. How about this then, you don't "endorse" her, but you really, really want her to get the spotlight and you'll do anything you can to make that happen, including throwing your goals under the bus. Not and "endorsement" just a willingness to back her up all the way. Whatever you want to call it Dix, doesn't matter to me. Its your intentions that show, not the labels.

I don't see that I have raved about any fantasy Palin is going to bring about. From what I see, she already HAS the spotlight, I don't have to want her to get it. I'm certainly not going to make up a bunch of lies and be dishonest about how I feel, to try and wrench the spotlight away from her. I merely stated my opinion about her very real political possibilities, and you have lied about what you think of her, because you are afraid of her politically. My goals are Conservative government, I'm not throwing them under the bus by pointing out your fear of Palin and dishonest attempt to cover that fear up.


No, its not an either or. But I can understand how someone of your stature can't see that there are more than "THIS" or "THAT". Two options? That's all your little lemming Hannity head can see? She's an air head capable of hypnotizing you and about 10% of the populace. Jesus are you black and white. Seriously you should learn that there are opinions that do not subscribe to your thought that are not exact, polar opposites. Two shades us all you see. Even lemmings see shades of grey. Maybe "lemming" is giving you too much credit.

Again, if she were an airhead capable of hypnotizing a mere 10%, you would be cheering her on, because that would certainly benefit libertarianism, or at least help to fragment the republican party. Of course, your admission that she has 10% of the populace in her pocket, is about 5x better than your libertarian candidate did in the last election, so it's no doubt why you are spreading lies and disinformation about her.


Unlike you Dix, I don't have a party. I don't allow organizations to dictate my beliefs, like certain Republicans in this thread. I can see that you've firmly planted yourself in the Palin camp come hell or high water, principle and progress be damned. Well, they are damned. And if she's not going away, then she's not going away, but don't expect me to cheerlead like you. I don't let massive, big-government organizations speak for me. So you won't hear me parrot party lines.

Oh I know, because you are an ideologue libertarian. We've already covered this... Palin is extremely popular, has the spotlight, has charisma, has potential to sweep conservatism into sole power (by your own admissions), but is too stupid to run a 7-11. You can see that I have planted myself firmly in the Palin camp because that is what you want to see, based on the fact I won't join your mindless bashfest, and instead, point out your dishonesty regarding Palin. I don't expect you to cheerlead, I do expect you to address the substance of what she has to say, the issues and her positions on them, and not simply lob personal attacks at her like a sixth-grader.


No, you put in a line here and there, but overall, you let the spending, the imperialism, the spying on out own citizens, the government expansion, you
let all that slide, for the little, itty bitty letter (R)


I hate to break it to ya, but I am only one voter, I don't have the power to change what happens with Congress and the Presidency. I did speak out against government expansion, government spending, illegal immigration, and I fundamentally disagree with you on the "imperialism/spying" bullshit. None of it has a damn thing to do with Republican or Democrat, it is what my opinion is.


This is more gibberish. Nonsensicle gibberish, but thanks for it.

No problem, I never mind leaving you totally speechless.


You don't even know what its like to not have a party telling you what to believe! Holy shit, you can't separate Party from Ideology! Wow, I wonder how you would think if you didn't have a vast political organization telling you how to think. Politics = party to you. Wake up Dix, Jeebus. Its not about parties, ITS ABOUT PEOPLE FOOL!

No Beefy... It's about libertarian viewpoints, and lying your ass off to help steer people toward them! If it were about people, you wouldn't have a problem acknowledging how popular Palin is, you would seek to engage in intellectual dialogue regarding the points Palin makes, instead of attacking her because you fear people might start liking her too much.


Well, that should be the death knell for you. Small government means less war, less invasion into the bedroom, less governance on personal freedom, less spending, less eavesdropping, all things you defended when W was in power.

You're a walking cartoon, a joke. And a bad one at that.

Small government means a whole bunch of things right now, literally trillions of things. I have my priorities and you have yours, which is why you are so afraid of Sarah Palin. Let's stop trying to divert the topic by bringing up Bush and past history, it has nothing to do with Palin, she hasn't expressed any indication she would follow Bush policies in any way, in fact, she has been quite critical of the Bush administration. But I understand how, in your desperation, you want to tie Palin to Bush... any lie or distortion you can throw out there to stop her momentum... because you are scared as fuck.:cof1:

FUCK THE POLICE
11-15-2009, 02:47 AM
Sarah Palin should be stripped of American citizenship and shipped to Antarctica. She is unworthy of being an American.

Beefy
11-15-2009, 03:05 AM
I don't see that I have raved about any fantasy Palin is going to bring about. From what I see, she already HAS the spotlight, I don't have to want her to get it. I'm certainly not going to make up a bunch of lies and be dishonest about how I feel, to try and wrench the spotlight away from her. I merely stated my opinion about her very real political possibilities, and you have lied about what you think of her, because you are afraid of her politically. My goals are Conservative government, I'm not throwing them under the bus by pointing out your fear of Palin and dishonest attempt to cover that fear up.

You are truly a pain in the ass. Raving and raving about how Palin is gong to be the next Reagan revolution, and then claiming that you're not endorsing her. Whatever. We're all used to you're inconsistent partisan hackery already. No need to continue espousing it. We get it.


Again, if she were an airhead capable of hypnotizing a mere 10%, you would be cheering her on, because that would certainly benefit libertarianism, or at least help to fragment the republican party. Of course, your admission that she has 10% of the populace in her pocket, is about 5x better than your libertarian candidate did in the last election, so it's no doubt why you are spreading lies and disinformation about her.

Your hackery is amazing. Do you really think that this is about parties? Yeah, the Libertarian party is inept, lame, stupid and unworthy of anything. I've long since denounced them. They don't speak for me. But we all know who speaks for you. Your thoughts originate in someone else's head, some collectivist leader who has to fire up the sheep to march right off the cliff. Gawd, if you could think for yourself at ALL, instead of spewing talking points and contradicting yourself all the time, you might be enlightened. When I was young, my parents taught me this simple rule "If you don't lie, you don't have to remember what you said." With the amount of times you contradict yourself, I'm guessing your parents never had that conversation with you.


Oh I know, because you are an ideologue libertarian. We've already covered this... Palin is extremely popular, has the spotlight, has charisma, has potential to sweep conservatism into sole power (by your own admissions), but is too stupid to run a 7-11. You can see that I have planted myself firmly in the Palin camp because that is what you want to see, based on the fact I won't join your mindless bashfest, and instead, point out your dishonesty regarding Palin. I don't expect you to cheerlead, I do expect you to address the substance of what she has to say, the issues and her positions on them, and not simply lob personal attacks at her like a sixth-grader.

Give me some of that substance Dixie. Show it to me. Show me how she has the real ability to lead. And if you do, I will gladly take heed. But you are bowing down to a golden calf. You have a figurehead. Tell me Dix, what is it that draws you to her? What ability has she shown you that she can actually make the government do what you claim to want it to do. Give me some examples.




I hate to break it to ya, but I am only one voter, I don't have the power to change what happens with Congress and the Presidency. I did speak out against government expansion, government spending, illegal immigration, and I fundamentally disagree with you on the "imperialism/spying" bullshit. None of it has a damn thing to do with Republican or Democrat, it is what my opinion is.

Bullshit. You have defended the Bush administration in every aspect from expanding the nanny state, to spying on its citizens. You just used different justifications for doing so. You talk out of both sides of your mouth worse than any hack I've ever seen. You will say something, then deny saying it in the same thread, and then bloviate about context. So don't give me that jazz. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. You wanted this giant nanny state, and now you've got it. Congrats. Be careful what you wish for dix. Because you're going to get it, and not in the Limbaugh Letter way you wanted to.


No problem, I never mind leaving you totally speechless.

The only time I'm speechless is when I'm tired of lecturing you about math. 1/3+1/3+1/3 = 1 Not much more I can say about that.


No Beefy... It's about libertarian viewpoints, and lying your ass off to help steer people toward them! If it were about people, you wouldn't have a problem acknowledging how popular Palin is, you would seek to engage in intellectual dialogue regarding the points Palin makes, instead of attacking her because you fear people might start liking her too much.

Yes Dix, how many fucking times to I have to state it? She'll galvanize the wingnuts and splinter any chance for there to be a split congress. Good job detective, after 12 times of me saying it, you finally might get it. I'll keep my fingers crossed.


Small government means a whole bunch of things right now, literally trillions of things. I have my priorities and you have yours, which is why you are so afraid of Sarah Palin. Let's stop trying to divert the topic by bringing up Bush and past history, it has nothing to do with Palin, she hasn't expressed any indication she would follow Bush policies in any way, in fact, she has been quite critical of the Bush administration. But I understand how, in your desperation, you want to tie Palin to Bush... any lie or distortion you can throw out there to stop her momentum... because you are scared as fuck.:cof1:

You brought up Bush fool. You muscled in a bunch of shit about him, so don't try to spin this too.

Here's a tip Dix. A simple tip.

Stop lying to yourself. Get it?

Dixie - In Memoriam
11-15-2009, 03:48 AM
You are truly a pain in the ass. Raving and raving about how Palin is gong to be the next Reagan revolution, and then claiming that you're not endorsing her. Whatever. We're all used to you're inconsistent partisan hackery already. No need to continue espousing it. We get it.

I never said she was going to be anything, I said that is what you fear, and I am correct.


Your hackery is amazing. Do you really think that this is about parties? Yeah, the Libertarian party is inept, lame, stupid and unworthy of anything. I've long since denounced them. They don't speak for me. But we all know who speaks for you. Your thoughts originate in someone else's head, some collectivist leader who has to fire up the sheep to march right off the cliff. Gawd, if you could think for yourself at ALL, instead of spewing talking points and contradicting yourself all the time, you might be enlightened. When I was young, my parents taught me this simple rule "If you don't lie, you don't have to remember what you said." With the amount of times you contradict yourself, I'm guessing your parents never had that conversation with you.


Well I guess you should have listened to your parents and not tried to lie about how you feel about Palin. Then you would have remembered admitting she is a threat to your idea of balanced government due to her enormous popularity among conservatives, and you wouldn't have tried to claim she didn't have the intelligence to run a 7-11. You see, your lie causes a glaring contradiction, and everyone can see it clearly, even though you will continue to deny it.


Give me some of that substance Dixie. Show it to me. Show me how she has the real ability to lead. And if you do, I will gladly take heed. But you are bowing down to a golden calf. You have a figurehead. Tell me Dix, what is it that draws you to her? What ability has she shown you that she can actually make the government do what you claim to want it to do. Give me some examples.

Well I don't have the power to make her the leader so we can see how she would lead, but maybe we republicans can make that happen for ya! But I won't hold my breath for your approval, because you've already demonstrated your inability to give Palin a fair chance, and you aren't interested in engaging her on the issues at all, instead opting for the easier route of personal insult and attack. Rather than listening to what she has to say objectively, and addressing the issues and her positions, you want to continue inferring a negative perception of her, true or not, because you can't stand the thought of her destroying your own ideology.



Bullshit. You have defended the Bush administration in every aspect from expanding the nanny state, to spying on its citizens. You just used different justifications for doing so. You talk out of both sides of your mouth worse than any hack I've ever seen. You will say something, then deny saying it in the same thread, and then bloviate about context. So don't give me that jazz. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. You wanted this giant nanny state, and now you've got it. Congrats. Be careful what you wish for dix. Because you're going to get it, and not in the Limbaugh Letter way you wanted to.

Nope, you can't find one single post I have ever made, endorsing an expansion of government. NONE! NADDA! This is yet another bald faced lie you tell, because you really don't have anything else. I didn't even support the Department of Homeland Security, I felt it was redundant and unnecessary. I was vehemently opposed to TSA taking over security at the airports, didn't want it, didn't think we needed to do that. Time and time again, I have been vocally opposed to expansion of government, and you have offered absolutely no evidence to the contrary.



The only time I'm speechless is when I'm tired of lecturing you about math. 1/3+1/3+1/3 = 1 Not much more I can say about that.

That's cute, but you haven't resolve a problem, you've posted one. Fractions are simple division problems, so do the math and you will find that 1 can't be divided by 3 without producing a remainder. We know this because 10 can't be evenly divided by 3 either. If I have 10 cars to give to 3 people, how many do each get? It's not that hard to understand, but for some reason, you pinheads have some weird mental disconnect when it comes to 1/3. Strange!




Yes Dix, how many fucking times to I have to state it? She'll galvanize the wingnuts and splinter any chance for there to be a split congress. Good job detective, after 12 times of me saying it, you finally might get it. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Right, and so she isn't really so dumb she couldn't run a 7-11, because this would not be the case if she were. It's really more than just an isolated small minority of extremists who support her, she has the potential to sweep political power in Washington. And all of the personal attacks are designed to sway perception, and nothing more, because you are in total political fear.

Thanks for admitting the truth, your parents would be proud!




You brought up Bush fool. You muscled in a bunch of shit about him, so don't try to spin this too.

Here's a tip Dix. A simple tip.

Stop lying to yourself. Get it?

I only mentioned the way Bush was characterized... MBA Prez, Harvard/Yale grad, mastermind of the new world order, winner of two hot presidential races, but too stupid to tie his shoes. I only asked if the same thing were being done with Palin? Seems awful similar sounding to me.

Beefy
11-15-2009, 04:09 AM
I never said she was going to be anything, I said that is what you fear, and I am correct.



Well I guess you should have listened to your parents and not tried to lie about how you feel about Palin. Then you would have remembered admitting she is a threat to your idea of balanced government due to her enormous popularity among conservatives, and you wouldn't have tried to claim she didn't have the intelligence to run a 7-11. You see, your lie causes a glaring contradiction, and everyone can see it clearly, even though you will continue to deny it.



Well I don't have the power to make her the leader so we can see how she would lead, but maybe we republicans can make that happen for ya! But I won't hold my breath for your approval, because you've already demonstrated your inability to give Palin a fair chance, and you aren't interested in engaging her on the issues at all, instead opting for the easier route of personal insult and attack. Rather than listening to what she has to say objectively, and addressing the issues and her positions, you want to continue inferring a negative perception of her, true or not, because you can't stand the thought of her destroying your own ideology.




Nope, you can't find one single post I have ever made, endorsing an expansion of government. NONE! NADDA! This is yet another bald faced lie you tell, because you really don't have anything else. I didn't even support the Department of Homeland Security, I felt it was redundant and unnecessary. I was vehemently opposed to TSA taking over security at the airports, didn't want it, didn't think we needed to do that. Time and time again, I have been vocally opposed to expansion of government, and you have offered absolutely no evidence to the contrary.




That's cute, but you haven't resolve a problem, you've posted one. Fractions are simple division problems, so do the math and you will find that 1 can't be divided by 3 without producing a remainder. We know this because 10 can't be evenly divided by 3 either. If I have 10 cars to give to 3 people, how many do each get? It's not that hard to understand, but for some reason, you pinheads have some weird mental disconnect when it comes to 1/3. Strange!





Right, and so she isn't really so dumb she couldn't run a 7-11, because this would not be the case if she were. It's really more than just an isolated small minority of extremists who support her, she has the potential to sweep political power in Washington. And all of the personal attacks are designed to sway perception, and nothing more, because you are in total political fear.

Thanks for admitting the truth, your parents would be proud!





I only mentioned the way Bush was characterized... MBA Prez, Harvard/Yale grad, mastermind of the new world order, winner of two hot presidential races, but too stupid to tie his shoes. I only asked if the same thing were being done with Palin? Seems awful similar sounding to me.

I guess ignorance is hardwired. What can I do? You talk out of both sides of your mouth, you take both sides of every issue and then you deny it.

What's the point? Seriously, what do you hope to do with taking every side of every issue and then denying it? It seems as though you wish to be an inconsistent, cotradicted imbicile, and you do a magnificent job at it.

Dixie - In Memoriam
11-15-2009, 04:22 AM
I guess ignorance is hardwired. What can I do? You talk out of both sides of your mouth, you take both sides of every issue and then you deny it.

What's the point? Seriously, what do you hope to do with taking every side of every issue and then denying it? It seems as though you wish to be an inconsistent, cotradicted imbicile, and you do a magnificent job at it.

No, what often happens is, you misunderstand something I have said as a "position" on something, when it is merely an observation. When I clarify this, you claim I am changing my position! Another thing that often happens, you outright lie about a position I have taken, and when I correct the record, you claim I have changed my position. Yet one more thing happens, pinheads often claim I have said something I never said because they take what was said out of context, then when corrected, they claim I am contradicting myself.

Damocles
11-15-2009, 08:55 AM
My actual point was that the Republicans are Nazi's and that Palin is Hitler.
Your schtick is old.

christiefan915
11-15-2009, 12:09 PM
She is unfit for office, but I think she can absolutely win.

Not only is she unfit, even repubs think she's unfit but they'd vote for her anyway.

"In fact, Republicans are more likely to say they would seriously consider voting for Palin for president (65%) than to say she is qualified for the job (58%)."

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124097/Huckabee-Romney-Palin-See-Most-Republican-Support-12.aspx

meme
11-15-2009, 12:26 PM
LOL, and people complain about the ODS against the Messiah...

the PDS of a citizen (not in any type of government office) of these United States is hilarious...

if she is so unfit, a loser, a nobody that the Democrats should be worried about, why is she in the news every other day and all the leftist rags and magazines keep trying to tear her down...

look out 2012:cof1:

Dixie - In Memoriam
11-15-2009, 01:05 PM
LOL, and people complain about the ODS against the Messiah...

the PDS of a citizen (not in any type of government office) of these United States is hilarious...

if she is so unfit, a loser, a nobody that the Democrats should be worried about, why is she in the news every other day and all the leftist rags and magazines keep trying to tear her down...

look out 2012:cof1:

Exactly! And what is so funny is how they continually contradict themselves all over the place... She is an airhead incapable of running a 7-11, yet she threatens to sweep conservative control of Washington! It just defies reason, but that is what they keep saying. They tell us only a small fractional minority of the kook fringe righties are behind her, yet christies own survey shows 65% of republicans would consider voting for her. Now guys, even you are smart enough to see the glaring contradiction here... unless you want to claim 65% of republicans make up this 10% of the kook fringe righties, which doesn't mathematically work out, then we must conclude this is yet another lie and misconception, and a considerable amount more support does actually exist for Palin among the mainstream conservative base.

What is especially telling is, the media frenzy, the number of Palin topics on this board alone, the continued tone from the left focused on Palin... the LOSING VP candidate in the last election, who's party was completely stripped of power in Washington. Normally, we wouldn't expect the public to even remember the name of such a politician... man on the street interview, how many would know Jack Kemp was Dole's running mate? I'm betting less than half would know that... Yet, Palin is setting records for crowd attendance, and debuting a book at #1 on the bestseller list. Isolated insignificant political lightweights who are too stupid to run a 7-11, don't garner the kind of attention Palin is getting from the left or right, that is just a fact.

meme
11-15-2009, 01:29 PM
Exactly! And what is so funny is how they continually contradict themselves all over the place... She is an airhead incapable of running a 7-11, yet she threatens to sweep conservative control of Washington! It just defies reason, but that is what they keep saying. They tell us only a small fractional minority of the kook fringe righties are behind her, yet christies own survey shows 65% of republicans would consider voting for her. Now guys, even you are smart enough to see the glaring contradiction here... unless you want to claim 65% of republicans make up this 10% of the kook fringe righties, which doesn't mathematically work out, then we must conclude this is yet another lie and misconception, and a considerable amount more support does actually exist for Palin among the mainstream conservative base.

What is especially telling is, the media frenzy, the number of Palin topics on this board alone, the continued tone from the left focused on Palin... the LOSING VP candidate in the last election, who's party was completely stripped of power in Washington. Normally, we wouldn't expect the public to even remember the name of such a politician... man on the street interview, how many would know Jack Kemp was Dole's running mate? I'm betting less than half would know that... Yet, Palin is setting records for crowd attendance, and debuting a book at #1 on the bestseller list. Isolated insignificant political lightweights who are too stupid to run a 7-11, don't garner the kind of attention Palin is getting from the left or right, that is just a fact.

If I recall they TRIED to do the same thing with Reagan and we see where that got them...and after this administration and the havoc they have brought on our country in just one year..Remember the Hugo Obama was suppose to be the UNITER not the DIVIDER..pfeeesh
Sarah Palin ain't going anywhere but in their face..


look out for 2012..:usflag:

Canceled1
11-15-2009, 07:31 PM
Which mindless nonsense... Palin is wildly charismatic and popular, or no tenable reason exists for the level of vocal opposition from the left, except for sheer political fear? I'm not beating any drum just yet, have you taken my commentary to be an endorsement of Palin? I am merely calling into question the lambasting of Palin by the left, and the flat out lie that it's because you think she is incompetent. You can do your little spoofs and make fun of her, you can act like she hasn't been governor of a state, and isn't literate enough to even write a book, much less have a #1 bestseller debut. But the wrath is coming boys and girls... whine and moan, cuss and groan, the wrath is coming.



Ah, but you make my point for me! This seems to be exactly what the left wants Palin to do, or thinks should happen to Palin... she should go find a hole to crawl into and die... It makes no sense, does it? If it's such poor strategy to wish Palin would ride off in the sunset, why do Democrats continue to express a desire for Palin to ride off in the sunset? Seems they should be having just the opposite reaction, and encourage Palin to speak more....embrace her like they embraced McCain... keep her talking... but that's not how they are reacting at all, is it? Nooo... it makes no sense.



Well this is a good time to point out, you are a Libertarian, and your self-interest of keeping the left and right muddled and fragmented, it benefits your Libertarian party ambitions. This is why you attack Palin, to help the left block any momentum she may obtain, and apparent in your quote, you know she is fully capable of. As for your side-rant about my "defending W" ...I defended W when he deserved defense, and I also criticized W when he deserved criticism. I will be the same with Palin, or whoever is ultimately president. I don't favor Big Government, have never advocated or endorsed it in anything I have ever posted, and again, you just throw out a bold face lie and hope no one notices.



Again, if you really thought Palin were an air-headed nitwit incapable of running a 7-11, you wouldn't be this motivated to speak out against her as you have. She wouldn't be a threat to you at all, if that is what you really believed. You are lying to people, plain and simple. In one breath, you tell us how you fear her potential of causing one-party rule, in the next, she isn't capable of walking and chewing gum... which one is it? Or maybe it's going to be another George W. Bush thing, where in spite of being the only MBA President ever, and graduate of Harvard AND Yale, and despite the fact that he out-snookered Democrats in two elections, not to mention his masterminding the whole New World Order thing... he was a complete bumbling incomptetent idiot.... Is it one of those kind of contradictions again?

Pwned by Dixie

Beefy
11-15-2009, 08:22 PM
Pwned by Dixie

Sure. Keep running down that path. God I wish there ware some savvy conservatives around who could figure this out. You know, until we get some smarter conservatives in this country its going to be a Democratic circle jerk, and I blame you lemmings for following these hacks right off the cliff. My word, please, please grow a damned brain.

Dixie represents the big-government, nation building, imperialistic, bedroom invading wing of the Republican cause. It will never go anywhere, and if you look at his record, he's been right about as infrequently as a broken digital clock. So if you like this circle jerk, just follow him and palin around like good little lapdogs.

Again, the left thanks you.

belme1201
11-15-2009, 09:10 PM
Ha ha ha, is the right so scared of Michael Moore they had to do a fact check on his movies?

Yeah, her book is number one with Amazon, especially after they discounted it 70% to a mere $9.00. Half.com also cut the price to $9.01, and other sellers have discounted it, too. Bet they'll be giving it away before long. :D

You can get it free on the internet by purchasing a subscription to a RW rag.

Dixie - In Memoriam
11-15-2009, 09:24 PM
Sure. Keep running down that path. God I wish there ware some savvy conservatives around who could figure this out. You know, until we get some smarter conservatives in this country its going to be a Democratic circle jerk, and I blame you lemmings for following these hacks right off the cliff. My word, please, please grow a damned brain.

Dixie represents the big-government, nation building, imperialistic, bedroom invading wing of the Republican cause. It will never go anywhere, and if you look at his record, he's been right about as infrequently as a broken digital clock. So if you like this circle jerk, just follow him and palin around like good little lapdogs.

Again, the left thanks you.

Tell the left to hold their thanks until the inaugural, we'll take it then.

"Savvy and smart" conservatives? You mean like John McCain, Chuck Hagel, and Lindsey Graham? The kinda conservative who knows when it's appropriate to throw conservatism under the bus to get along with the liberals? Because, MY FRIENDS, we need to work together for a better America! If that means abandoning conservative principles and going along with kook fringe lefties, well... it's just the sacrifice us conservatives have to make in the 21st century.

Yeah, I guess that IS what you want Beefy, too bad it's not what you are going to get!

Dixie - In Memoriam
11-15-2009, 09:30 PM
Yeah, her book is number one with Amazon, especially after they discounted it 70% to a mere $9.00.

No sorry, her book was #1 before they discounted it. "Debut" is a french word, meaning to appear for the first time. Her book debuted at #1. This means before the bookstore even priced it, enough people had agreed to buy it to make it #1. I think you might need to 'fact check' yourself on this one, libby. :)

Beefy
11-15-2009, 09:34 PM
Tell the left to hold their thanks until the inaugural, we'll take it then.

"Savvy and smart" conservatives? You mean like John McCain, Chuck Hagel, and Lindsey Graham? The kinda conservative who knows when it's appropriate to throw conservatism under the bus to get along with the liberals? Because, MY FRIENDS, we need to work together for a better America! If that means abandoning conservative principles and going along with kook fringe lefties, well... it's just the sacrifice us conservatives have to make in the 21st century.

Yeah, I guess that IS what you want Beefy, too bad it's not what you are going to get!

Are those all the guys you voted for? They're laughing at you.

You bitch, cry and moan, and then you vote for them. And you wonder why I call you a big government conservative.

You're a cog in the wheel, and too dense and stubborn to realize it.

Keep carrying that torch! MCCAIN '08!!!!

Dixie - In Memoriam
11-15-2009, 09:48 PM
Are those all the guys you voted for? They're laughing at you.

You bitch, cry and moan, and then you vote for them. And you wonder why I call you a big government conservative.

You're a cog in the wheel, and too dense and stubborn to realize it.

Keep carrying that torch! MCCAIN '08!!!!

The only one I voted for is John McCain, and that was because it was him or an admitted devout socialist. At least with McCain I thought there might be a chance he would pause and think before usurping the Constitution and taking our freedom. With D's in full control of congress and John's mavericky past, I'm not so sure he would have been better than Obama, but that was my hope.

Believe me, there is no torch. All I have is the clothespin I used on election day for my nose. This is why I don't get moderates... you seem to forget that we conservatives went along with a moderate in 2008, against our better judgment, but we went along with it... supported McCain... did our part. HE LOST! Now, moderates want to act like that never happened, and the party needs to clearly move to the middle! No we don't!!!!!

We need to reaffirm our conservative principles, and return to core conservative values, and that applies to social AND fiscal conservatism. I think Palin is a threat because she does have the ability to galvanize social conservatism and fiscal conservatives, much like Ronald Reagan did. Again... not an endorsement of Palin, she hasn't even announced her candidacy, much less articulated a platform, it's way to early for an endorsement, but she does have the ability to lead a conservative movement, and do so with success. That is precisely why everyone is so scared of her.

Canceled1
11-15-2009, 09:48 PM
Sure. Keep running down that path. God I wish there ware some savvy conservatives around who could figure this out. You know, until we get some smarter conservatives in this country its going to be a Democratic circle jerk, and I blame you lemmings for following these hacks right off the cliff. My word, please, please grow a damned brain.

Dixie represents the big-government, nation building, imperialistic, bedroom invading wing of the Republican cause. It will never go anywhere, and if you look at his record, he's been right about as infrequently as a broken digital clock. So if you like this circle jerk, just follow him and palin around like good little lapdogs.

Again, the left thanks you.

The Shame Flame ain't going to work Beefy. It's that typical Liberal/terian tactic that makes it so futile talking with you because the argument (if you even want to call it that) evaporates when you unsuccessfully attempt to take what you believe is the higher road by wielding the Shame Flame or the Humiliation Hammer.

I don't agree with everything Dixie says, but you are rabid and when you can't win, or don't perceive yourself as winning, you stoop to some convoluted bassakward imitation of Father Knows Best. Quite frankly it's a piss off and brings any sense of being fair to you to a screeching halt.

For the record? I agree with Dixie's take on this and I think you miss the mark. If you consider this kiss ass, stupid, or whatever provocative title you want to give it, que sera, sera.

Beefy
11-15-2009, 10:06 PM
The Shame Flame ain't going to work Beefy. It's that typical Liberal/terian tactic that makes it so futile talking with you because the argument (if you even want to call it that) evaporates when you unsuccessfully attempt to take what you believe is the higher road by wielding the Shame Flame or the Humiliation Hammer.

I don't agree with everything Dixie says, but you are rabid and when you can't win, or don't perceive yourself as winning, you stoop to some convoluted bassakward imitation of Father Knows Best. Quite frankly it's a piss off and brings any sense of being fair to you to a screeching halt.

For the record? I agree with Dixie's take on this and I think you miss the mark. If you consider this kiss ass, stupid, or whatever provocative title you want to give it, que sera, sera.

I can't win. My ideas cannot win.

1.) Smaller government.

Cannot win because we live in a duopoly where people who claim to believe in smaller government vote for big government candidates, time and time and time again. Every single time. You want smaller government? Stop voting for big government types. Period. Don't tell me you want small government and then vote for a radical expansionist. It may fly with your leaders, but they're laughing at you. They'd spit on you and you would still vote for them.

In other words, it cannot win because of people like you.

2.) Less government invasion into personal lives.

Cannot win because of people who claim to want it out of their lives, and then cheer on search and seizure violations and personal restrictions based on fear and some nebulous "morality".

3.) No imperialism.

Cannot win because you will not call a swine a swine. We have troops in over 130 countries, we are currently holding financial "incentives" over much of the world to behave in the way that we do, but no, that's not Imperialism to you, its "peacekeeping". The undertakers are happy and so is Orwell's legacy, but it is what it is, imperialism.

But you mindless, sheepish lemmings cannot think for yourselves. And then you find one of your own with a well written style and piggyback him to high heaven.


If you were one, minute iota honest with yourself, you would see that you are being led around by the nose to feed in a troth that wasn't built by your value system. You're gleefully eating with the pigs and shame the fuck on you for it.

Beefy
11-15-2009, 10:17 PM
The only one I voted for is John McCain, and that was because it was him or an admitted devout socialist. At least with McCain I thought there might be a chance he would pause and think before usurping the Constitution and taking our freedom. With D's in full control of congress and John's mavericky past, I'm not so sure he would have been better than Obama, but that was my hope.

Believe me, there is no torch. All I have is the clothespin I used on election day for my nose. This is why I don't get moderates... you seem to forget that we conservatives went along with a moderate in 2008, against our better judgment, but we went along with it... supported McCain... did our part. HE LOST! Now, moderates want to act like that never happened, and the party needs to clearly move to the middle! No we don't!!!!!

We need to reaffirm our conservative principles, and return to core conservative values, and that applies to social AND fiscal conservatism. I think Palin is a threat because she does have the ability to galvanize social conservatism and fiscal conservatives, much like Ronald Reagan did. Again... not an endorsement of Palin, she hasn't even announced her candidacy, much less articulated a platform, it's way to early for an endorsement, but she does have the ability to lead a conservative movement, and do so with success. That is precisely why everyone is so scared of her.

Social conservatism is hands off dix. Think about it for one second for the love of Peter. Regulating personal behavior requires bigger government. That's something you'll never ever get until you take your blinders off. The most conservative thing you could do is to live and let live. When you advocate crowbaring the government into everything from marriage to trade to who smokes pot, you are n longer a small government guy.

How many shades of brown does your shirt change to when you advocate big government conservatism?

Dixie - In Memoriam
11-16-2009, 12:24 AM
Social conservatism is hands off dix. Think about it for one second for the love of Peter. Regulating personal behavior requires bigger government. That's something you'll never ever get until you take your blinders off. The most conservative thing you could do is to live and let live. When you advocate crowbaring the government into everything from marriage to trade to who smokes pot, you are n longer a small government guy.

How many shades of brown does your shirt change to when you advocate big government conservatism?

Clearly one of the first tasks to galvanizing social and fiscal conservatism, is to redefine social conservatism to the masses, who have a somewhat false perception of what it is. I don't see the religious right trying to regulate your bedroom behavior... sorry, just don't see that happening in the world I live in. At best, most social conservatives simply want the right to decide these issues at the ballot box on a state level. They don't seek to "crowbar" anything, just to let the people decide, and not liberal judges.

Social conservatism has taken a bad rap of late, and I believe it is the foundational basis for modern conservatism, and without it, the entire conservative movement fails. Without the social conservative underpinnings, fiscal conservatism is nothing more than selfish greed, and is easily exposed as such by liberals. Class envy and warfare are enabled as a result, and liberalism is given the impetus to thrive. It is the social conservative elements which counter the 'bleeding heart' of liberalism, which enable the fiscal policies to succeed. The problem is, certain republicans have not been balanced conservatives, Bush and his father were socially conservative, but fiscally moderate to liberal. Carrying the banner of Social Conservatism divorced from Fiscal Conservatism, is just as bad as the other way around. Both elements play a key fundamental role in Conservatism as a whole. The connection and importance of both to one another, is crucial for understanding any conservative movement.

Beefy
11-16-2009, 12:57 AM
Hmmmmm. How do social conservatives feel about smoking pot? Gay Marriage? Holding large amounts of cash?

Stop it already.

Topspin
11-16-2009, 06:28 AM
democrats are pussies as usual, I would love her to run against Obama.
But this dude is twisting the shit out of reality to make her look bad.
It's not needed, shemen like Ried will create a backlash if they do the same.

WinterBorn
11-16-2009, 07:45 AM
Since the accusation is always that the media is liberal, I have a suggestion of a bigger plot.

Palin is popular, no doubt about that. But I don't think anyone in the D party actually fears her. But a fiscal conservative could sweep the dems out.

I actually think the dems WANT Palin in the news as much as possible. Nothing too flattering, but out there anyway. When the 2012 elections come along, she will divide the republicans. It is the best way to assure Obama a second term.

Jarod
11-16-2009, 09:24 AM
She is done, she is the Dan E. Quayle of the 2000's. She will run again a couple more times, but will never get any traction and will finally fade away as the but of jokes for another 20 years.

Topspin
11-16-2009, 09:30 AM
Jarod you are one of the democrat pussies who should shut the fuck up about palin.

meme
11-16-2009, 09:31 AM
well how do you like having a non-biased media picking apart a citizen (not in any government office) of the country, for what reason? speaking out against this administration.

remember Joe the Plumber, he just asked a question and the Hugo Obama tripped up and reveled himself, the media, some in government went in for the kill of the man..

you all better wake up and see what is happening right before you buried heads..

Jarod
11-16-2009, 09:53 AM
Jarod you are one of the democrat pussies who should shut the fuck up about palin.

Funny, the truth hurts dont it!

Jarod
11-16-2009, 09:55 AM
well how do you like having a non-biased media picking apart a citizen (not in any government office) of the country, for what reason? speaking out against this administration.

remember Joe the Plumber, he just asked a question and the Hugo Obama tripped up and reveled himself, the media, some in government went in for the kill of the man..

you all better wake up and see what is happening right before you buried heads..

Obama triped up with Joe the Plumber, the set up from the McCain campaign?

Funny again!

Palin has not been attacked by the media! Thats just the party line anytime a Republican fucks up, blame the media. Show me an example where she has been attacked by the media?

Topspin
11-16-2009, 09:58 AM
Jarod, you retarded and gay.
I'm a fucking turbo-lib democrat and I can see the media especially liberal (msnbc) attacks her like she's actually relevant. You (being the democrats typically wussy males) are enabling it. She'd be 10% as popular without the ill concieved libtard attacks.
Keith Obertool is your leader, and too many dems without balls are following that fannypack couldn't play a sport bitchalot.

Jarod
11-16-2009, 10:03 AM
Jarod, you retarded and gay.
I'm a fucking turbo-lib democrat and I can see the media especially liberal (msnbc) attacks her like she's actually relevant. You (being the democrats typically wussy males) are enabling it. She'd be 10% as popular without the ill concieved libtard attacks.
Keith Obertool is your leader, and too many dems without balls are following that fannypack couldn't play a sport bitchalot.

Keith Obertool is paid for inciting strong emotions, he is the equivelent of Rush Linberger. If thats what you are calling the media, you are correct Oberman is biased and silly and equivelent to Hannity and Rush. I am talking about the news, please show me an example of where teh media has attacked Palin? Oprah, a devout Obama supporter has given her forum!

Topspin
11-16-2009, 10:06 AM
Keith Obertool is paid for inciting strong emotions, he is the equivelent of Rush Linberger. If thats what you are calling the media, you are correct Oberman is biased and silly and equivelent to Hannity and Rush. I am talking about the news, please show me an example of where teh media has attacked Palin? Oprah, a devout Obama supporter has given her forum!

I'll take that, as long as your saying MSNBC is not media like fox news isn't.

My point is this, too many democrats have knee jerk reacted to her republican popularity with attacks. I'd love her to run against Obama, she has no chance unless we are in a depression.

Jarod
11-16-2009, 10:20 AM
I'll take that, as long as your saying MSNBC is not media like fox news isn't.

My point is this, too many democrats have knee jerk reacted to her republican popularity with attacks. I'd love her to run against Obama, she has no chance unless we are in a depression.

She could never get the Republican nomination, she is a joke.

MSNBC's editorial programing is biased, I agree with that. FoxNews's news and editorial are biased.

Topspin
11-16-2009, 10:23 AM
She could never get the Republican nomination, she is a joke.

MSNBC's editorial programing is biased, I agree with that. FoxNews's news and editorial are biased.

Oh she could get it, and the right prob said the same thing about a rookie senator.
I've never seen any special love for a VP candidate much less the craze she started. I think running now she'd crush no2 Romney

But again, I don't think she could win without a depression or an energy crisis.

meme
11-16-2009, 10:26 AM
She could never get the Republican nomination, she is a joke.

MSNBC's editorial programing is biased, I agree with that. FoxNews's news and editorial are biased.

THE JOKE is now sitting in the whitehouse..and it's being played on the American people..just look at the poll numbers on the man-boy thug in chief fall from grace in just ONE YEAR...

you all just keep repeating that Sarah Palin is a nobody, a nothing..:clink:

Jarod
11-16-2009, 10:27 AM
Oh she could get it, and the right prob said the same thing about a rookie senator.
I've never seen any special love for a VP candidate much less the craze she started. I think running now she'd crush no2 Romney

But again, I don't think she could win without a depression or an energy crisis.

I belive she is Dan E. Quayle, Genius times 10. The whackos loved him also! The Rabid Republicans loved DEQ and made themselves into more and more of a joke. Remember Quayle also blamed the media..., funny for the party of personal resonsability...!

Topspin
11-16-2009, 10:28 AM
I doubt Dan was a third as popular as Sarah.

Jarod
11-16-2009, 10:32 AM
I doubt Dan was a third as popular as Sarah.

With the right wing... Im willing to take that bet. They loved QUayle!

Topspin
11-16-2009, 10:35 AM
With the right wing... Im willing to take that bet. They loved QUayle!

I would say people in General or likely voters.
Did Quale have thousand turn out for his speaches, I really wasn't paying attention back then

Jarod
11-16-2009, 10:42 AM
I would say people in General or likely voters.
Did Quale have thousand turn out for his speaches, I really wasn't paying attention back then

No, she was popular when she first arrived on the sceen, Ill give you that, more popluar than Quayle ever was.

She aint that popular now, not after her fuck ups with Katie Couric and ect, not after she quit as governor of AK for a book tour, not after the designer cloating scandal, not after people got to know more about her lack of knoledge of the world.

Palin was almost silly in her interviews and has yet to share an opinion or most issues.

Topspin
11-16-2009, 10:44 AM
No, she was popular when she first arrived on the sceen, Ill give you that, more popluar than Quayle ever was.

She aint that popular now, not after her fuck ups with Katie Couric and ect, not after she quit as governor of AK for a book tour, not after the designer cloating scandal, not after people got to know more about her lack of knoledge of the world.

Palin was almost silly in her interviews and has yet to share an opinion or most issues.

that shit only resonates with turbo-libs. I actually think regular people will like her more as the limosine liberals attack her.

Jarod
11-16-2009, 10:49 AM
that shit only resonates with turbo-libs. I actually think regular people will like her more as the limosine liberals attack her.

I dont, she got less votes than the liberal ticket. She is a joke with most, whats makes her a joke and not just a footnote is that she is so rabidly popular with the small minority of super cons!

Topspin
11-16-2009, 10:51 AM
I dont, she got less votes than the liberal ticket. She is a joke with most, whats makes her a joke and not just a footnote is that she is so rabidly popular with the small minority of super cons!

Your a joke and so are most limosine liberals like you.

She was the freaking Gov of a State.
Your argument is as weak as the republicans ripping Obama as not experienced enough.
Why the fear and rejection of everything republican.
You should want them to put up a weak candidate, I do.

Jarod
11-16-2009, 11:02 AM
Your a joke and so are most limosine liberals like you.

She was the freaking Gov of a State.
Your argument is as weak as the republicans ripping Obama as not experienced enough.
Why the fear and rejection of everything republican.
You should want them to put up a weak candidate, I do.

I am not afriad, I hope they nominate her, I am just living in reality, thats all! She is done, except the laughing part, put a fork in her.

Just like DAN E. QUAYLE, another generation of laughing! I like it!

ZappasGuitar
11-16-2009, 12:56 PM
THE JOKE is now sitting in the whitehouse..and it's being played on the American people..just look at the poll numbers on the man-boy thug in chief fall from grace in just ONE YEAR...

you all just keep repeating that Sarah Palin is a nobody, a nothing..:clink:



Oh the HYPERBOLE!!

I do gotta thank you mumu. There is nothing...NOTHING funnier than starting the day with one of your trademark tirades.

From their childish taunts and name calling like your infantile use of "The Hugo Obama", as if your name calling revealed anything other than the fact you have no creativity whatsoever; to the sneering, bile-filled invective you reserve for anyone on JPP who dares question one of your standard cut-n-paste "news stories".

Nobody can deliver the hate like you do!

So keep the vitriol and the invective coming. You've got a gift...the gift of venom. Spray that venom as far and wide as you can! As Carly Simon sang at the beginning of "The Spy Who Loved Me" Nobody does it better...

meme
11-16-2009, 02:02 PM
Oh the HYPERBOLE!!

I do gotta thank you mumu. There is nothing...NOTHING funnier than starting the day with one of your trademark tirades.

From their childish taunts and name calling like your infantile use of "The Hugo Obama", as if your name calling revealed anything other than the fact you have no creativity whatsoever; to the sneering, bile-filled invective you reserve for anyone on JPP who dares question one of your standard cut-n-paste "news stories".

Nobody can deliver the hate like you do!

So keep the vitriol and the invective coming. You've got a gift...the gift of venom. Spray that venom as far and wide as you can! As Carly Simon sang at the beginning of "The Spy Who Loved Me" Nobody does it better...

^^^^^^^^^and he says I post tirades and HATE^^^^^^^^^^^
while he spews all over the place..
once again he can't comment on the thread he instead has to go out of his way to attack me, again...yawn

ZappasGuitar
11-16-2009, 02:24 PM
THE JOKE is now sitting in the whitehouse..and it's being played on the American people..just look at the poll numbers on the man-boy thug in chief fall from grace in just ONE YEAR...

you all just keep repeating that Sarah Palin is a nobody, a nothing..:clink:




^^^^^^^^^and he says I post tirades and HATE^^^^^^^^^^^
while he spews all over the place..
once again he can't comment on the thread he instead has to go out of his way to attack me, again...yawn

Your venal attack on President Obama opened up the discussion to topics beyond the original.

Maybe if you want everyone to stay on topic, you should do so yourself?

Just a thought...

meme
11-16-2009, 02:26 PM
Your venal attack on President Obama opened up the discussion to topics beyond the original.

Maybe if you want everyone to stay on topic, you should do so yourself?

Just a thought...

what the hell is it to you if I attack the Hugo Obama..

is it your life's work to follow me around and spew your hate for me on this board...jeeze you need to get a friggen life bucko
you are never a thought in my head until you show up in every thread I post to spew your foul hate all over the place.
If you're not attacting me openly, you attact every other day in your neg reps comments...go get a life..

Jarod
11-16-2009, 02:43 PM
Dan E. Palin!

meme
11-16-2009, 02:45 PM
Dan E. Palin!

not even close.

Jarod
11-16-2009, 02:46 PM
not even close.

El Mismo...!

meme
11-16-2009, 02:49 PM
El Mismo...!

Dan E. Obama fits better.

Jarod
11-16-2009, 02:52 PM
Dan E. Obama fits better.

Ya, Right, the First African American President will have monuments in his name no matter how how poor or great of a president he ends up being!

Dan E. Palin is a joke, in fact she will be lower than Dan E. Quayle because at least the history books will have his name in them as having been the VP.

Palin is and will continue to be a national joke, except for a vocal few, thats part of what makes her so funny!

meme
11-16-2009, 03:00 PM
Ya, Right, the First African American President will have monuments in his name no matter how how poor or great of a president he ends up being!

Dan E. Palin is a joke, in fact she will be lower than Dan E. Quayle because at least the history books will have his name in them as having been the VP.

Palin is and will continue to be a national joke, except for a vocal few, thats part of what makes her so funny!

time will tell about Palin..If I were you all I'd be more worried about your Messiah looking like a World joke right now..and there is not a damn thing funny about it..

Jarod
11-17-2009, 09:08 AM
time will tell about Palin..If I were you all I'd be more worried about your Messiah looking like a World joke right now..and there is not a damn thing funny about it..

Im not worried how President Obama looks, Im worried how he governs. If he does not get reelected thats okay with me as long as he gets some things accomplished and we dont elect someone who gets us deeper into a mess than Bush did. That would be hard to do, but possable.

meme
11-17-2009, 09:20 AM
Im not worried how President Obama looks, Im worried how he governs. If he does not get reelected thats okay with me as long as he gets some things accomplished and we dont elect someone who gets us deeper into a mess than Bush did. That would be hard to do, but possable.

Obamabot:palm:

Jarod
11-17-2009, 09:37 AM
Obamabot:palm:

Nice canned Republican, Rush Linberger, when illistrated to be a fool responce!

meme
11-17-2009, 09:41 AM
Nice canned Republican, Rush Linberger, when illistrated to be a fool responce!

:rolleyes: