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09-17-2009, 09:17 AM
Fascinating article by Gavin Esler in today's Daily Mail on the subject of racism in the USA.


The ugly question that won't go away... Can America EVER unite behind a black President?



By Gavin Esler (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=y&authornamef=Gavin+Esler)
Last updated at 9:39 AM on 17th September 2009



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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/17/article-0-0676B1EA000005DC-582_233x387.jpg Race issue: Barack Obama

One of the greatest hopes for the Obama presidency was that it would finally heal America's worst wound - racism. This week has shown that for all the good press Barack Obama has enjoyed at home and abroad, the wound is still there, just beneath the surface, and it takes very little to open it up again.
In the months since the first African-American President was sworn into office in January this year, American commentators have tip-toed around the race issue. Some have pretended it is no longer even relevant.
Others have rejoiced that a clearly loving and successful black family in the White House is providing a role model for others in a society in which black families have often been portrayed negatively.
But former U.S. President Jimmy Carter caused the issue to explode into the open again this week with his claims that much of the vitriol directed at Obama's ambitious healthcare-reform plan is 'based on racism'.
If Carter is correct - and I have spoken to white as well as black Americans who broadly agree he is - then simply putting an African-American President in office has not been enough to reverse the bitterest legacy of America's original sin, slavery.
Even worse, it has now tainted the most difficult issue Obama faces, changing the U.S. healthcare system. As Carter put it: there is 'an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be President'.
Certainly, the healthcare debate has created a far wider ideological battleground than the rights and wrongs of Obama's policy proposals. In sometimes furious town-hall meetings, anti-Obama protesters have talked about 'taking back' their country.
Some have portrayed Obama with a Hitler moustache - in a crude suggestion that he has totalitarian ambitions.
Others have suggested that he is not really an American citizen - pointing to his Kenyan father and childhood in Indonesia - and is therefore ineligible for office, not a 'real' President with 'real' American values.
Despite the fact that Barack Hussein Obama is a practising Christian, there are even those who still claim he is a Muslim. It would be tempting to dismiss such hysteria as belonging to a lunatic fringe element. But then came the 'Wilson outburst'.
When President Obama made his big televised speech on healthcare to Congress last week, one Republican Congressman, Joe Wilson, screamed out 'you lie'.
This was shocking and unprecedented to Americans of both parties and of all racial backgrounds. The President of the United States is not simply, like a British prime minister, the head of a government. He is also, like the Queen, the head of state.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/17/article-1214046-065C4AE7000005DC-664_233x320.jpg 'You lie': Joe Wilson

Even in the rough-and-tumble of American political debates, I cannot think of an American president who has been heckled in such a way during such a major address. It was crude politics, and obviously rude. But was it racism, as Jimmy Carter claims?
Wilson has since apologised for his outburst - and the President has been gracious enough to accept it.
But in Washington they are noting that years ago Congressman Wilson worked for a segregationist politician in the South and more recently voted in favour of flying the Confederate flag - a favoured symbol of white rule.
Moreover, the controversy comes hot on the heels of a similar inflammatory episode involving the arrest of an old friend of President Obama's, Henry Gates - a prominent black academic.
Professor Gates was observed by a police officer acting suspiciously outside a property in Massachusetts that subsequently turned out to be his own home. When questioned by the officer, Professor Gates became verbally abusive, accusing the police of being racist, and was thus arrested at the scene.
Yet when the story became public, the President waded into the debate, stating that the officer concerned had 'acted stupidly' with regards to his friend. This, said his opponents, was proof of Obama's inherent racial loyalties, even at the expense of a police officer performing his normal duties.
A storm in a teacup? Not, it seems, when the issue of the President's race remains such a sensitive issue - as it undoubtedly does.



More...



Use the force, Barack: Obama shows off his skills with lightsaber (and probably wishes he had a real one to deal with opponents) (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1213788/You-lie-outburst-Obama-racist-says-president-Jimmy-Carter.html)


An American journalist friend of mine said to me just last week that the atmosphere in the U.S. nowadays is 'as poisonous as anything I can remember since the early Nineties'.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/17/article-1214046-06735C37000005DC-914_233x307.jpg Mr President: Jimmy Carter

He referred directly to the Oklahoma City outrage - a bomb planted by Timothy McVeigh that killed 168 people in a direct attack on the U.S. government. My friend shocked me by saying he would not be surprised if there were further acts of domestic terrorism spawned by hatred of Obama.
He is by no means the only one to detect an atmosphere of fear and suspicion.
At a recent conference I asked the African-American veteran civil rights campaigner Roger Wilkins - a man who marched with Martin Luther King - whether the election of Obama meant the end for racism in America.
Professor Wilkins, who worked for the Johnson administration in the Sixties, accepted that a black man in the White House was a great leap forward, but said that racism was still there, and black people knew it. So did white people.
For Obama this is, then, a very dangerous time - not just politically but personally.
Many Americans are worried that, sooner or later, some American, racist nutcase will try to shoot their President simply because of his skin colour.
The Secret Service is, of course, vigilant, though the white supremacist plots against him that have been discovered so far have been almost laughably incompetent.
As for his political enemies, Obama's success has been that from the outset of his presidential campaign he has been 'above race'. That is becoming an increasingly difficult challenge, as his opponents seek to highlight once again his colour, however far-fetched their accusations may be.
In all the enthusiasm for Barack Obama in Britain and Europe, we need to remember that even when up against John McCain - a relatively elderly candidate from a Republican party in disarray - he did not win in a landslide.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/17/article-1214046-06666618000005DC-71_233x352.jpg Demonstrators have equated Obama to Nazi leaders

For all his oratorical and political skills, Obama's victory was not overwhelming. He offended some working-class white people by talking of them 'clinging' to guns and God. Some Democrats I talked to simply refused to vote for him, though none would say openly that race was a factor.
And now in trying to reform healthcare - which amounts to almost 17 per cent of the American economy - Barack Obama is emerging as just the type of Big Government President that those on the American far-Right really loathes.
As he takes on healthcare reform, cracks down on the banks and spends government money trying to keep the economy afloat, there are plenty of political reasons for Barack Obama to be a controversial President, to be opposed, even to be defeated.
His race is not one of these - for most Americans. But for a minority, even in the 21st century, a black President is still unacceptable. Obama has changed much in America, but not even his oratory and skill can change that.
● Gavin Esler’s novel Power Play, about the potential collapse of the British-American 'special relationship', is published this month. He is a former BBC chief North America correspondent.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1214046/The-ugly-question-wont-away--Can-America-EVER-unite-black-President.html#ixzz0RNSRUWGk

uscitizen
09-17-2009, 09:29 AM
I want the republicans to put forth a black candidate for president next time around.

It would be interesting to watch.

SmarterthanYou
09-17-2009, 09:31 AM
I want the republicans to put forth a black candidate for president next time around.

It would be interesting to watch.

the race baiting that would stem from that would put the current episodes of race baiting to shame.

Damocles
09-17-2009, 09:33 AM
As if we were uniting under white presidents... :rolleyes:

If race baiting is all you have, then you have nothing.

Hermes Thoth
09-17-2009, 09:35 AM
unconditional Unity is the seed of all totalitarian ideologies.

Topspin
09-17-2009, 09:37 AM
Damo, nice new guy burn

DamnYankee
09-17-2009, 09:42 AM
Damo wins this thread. :woot:

Canceled2
09-17-2009, 09:46 AM
I want the republicans to put forth a black candidate for president next time around.

It would be interesting to watch.

Remember asshole, it was white Hillary democrats who came out against Obama...did that make them racist?

And what a stupid op-ed that started this thread! This country is divided over radical differences of what government should be. Obama is a closet socialist pretending to be some kind of moderate. That mind-fucks make it about the color of his skin show just how out of touch they are.

uscitizen
09-17-2009, 09:59 AM
Remember asshole, it was white Hillary democrats who came out against Obama...did that make them racist?

And what a stupid op-ed that started this thread! This country is divided over radical differences of what government should be. Obama is a closet socialist pretending to be some kind of moderate. That mind-fucks make it about the color of his skin show just how out of touch they are.

Some of them did it for rascism.
Can you prove they did not?

Thorn
09-17-2009, 10:03 AM
As if we were uniting under white presidents... :rolleyes:

If race baiting is all you have, then you have nothing.

It does exist, though, and more prominently than many would want to admit. Until we confront this, we'll never get past it.

uscitizen
09-17-2009, 10:08 AM
It does exist, though, and more prominently than many would want to admit. Until we confront this, we'll never get past it.

QFT

Canceled2
09-17-2009, 10:15 AM
Some of them did it for rascism.
Can you prove they did not?

So let's see: Republicans were against all the democrat candidates because they were democrats. By your own admission the only obvious racist's were the democrats who supported Hillary...good job.

uscitizen
09-17-2009, 10:18 AM
So let's see: Republicans were against all the democrat candidates because they were democrats. By your own admission the only obvious racist's were the democrats who supported Hillary...good job.

LOL

Hermes Thoth
09-17-2009, 10:21 AM
It does exist, though, and more prominently than many would want to admit. Until we confront this, we'll never get past it.

So everyone must be made to agree with obama? To prove we're not racist? What does it mean to confront it, as you say?

Damocles
09-17-2009, 10:26 AM
It does exist, though, and more prominently than many would want to admit. Until we confront this, we'll never get past it.
I am confronting it. There is no way it is okay to say that agreement is the only option otherwise you are "racist."

Speak up about real racism, don't devalue something important by using it for something as simple as this. Of course we could "get behind" a black President. We elected him, he had popular support until his policies started stinking. There is more evidence that he had support than there is that everybody suddenly realized he is black.

Hermes Thoth
09-17-2009, 10:27 AM
I am confronting it. There is no way it is okay to say that agreement is the only option otherwise you are "racist."

Speak up about real racism, don't devalue something important by using it for something as simple as this. Of course we could "get behind" a black President. We elected him, he had popular support until his policies started stinking. There is more evidence that he had support than there is that everybody suddenly realized he is black.

Is part of your confronting it being on the wrong side of the Affirmative Action debate?

uscitizen
09-17-2009, 10:32 AM
I am confronting it. There is no way it is okay to say that agreement is the only option otherwise you are "racist."

Speak up about real racism, don't devalue something important by using it for something as simple as this. Of course we could "get behind" a black President. We elected him, he had popular support until his policies started stinking. There is more evidence that he had support than there is that everybody suddenly realized he is black.

bollocks. Neither Thorn or I are saying that all dissent is rascist.

Hermes Thoth
09-17-2009, 10:35 AM
bollocks. Neither Thorn or I are saying that all dissent is rascist.

basically, you are.

Thorn
09-17-2009, 10:42 AM
bollocks. Neither Thorn or I are saying that all dissent is rascist.

Not at all. But to deny that racism exists in this country, and that for some people this plays a significant role in their attitudes toward policy and legislative negotiations, would be naive at best.

To agree with the President simply because he is black would be every bit as racist as the converse.

The first step in dealing with any problem is to acknowledge that it exists, however. The second is to realize in depth how that problem, in this case for instance, subverts intelligence and influences decision making.

Hermes Thoth
09-17-2009, 10:43 AM
Not at all. But to deny that racism exists in this country, and that for some people this plays a significant role in their attitudes toward policy and legislative negotiations, would be naive at best.

To agree with the President simply because he is black would be every bit as racist as the converse.

The first step in dealing with any problem is to acknowledge that it exists, however. The second is to realize in depth how that problem, in this case for instance, subverts intelligence and influences decision making.

What's the third step?

DamnYankee
09-17-2009, 10:49 AM
Racism is an inherent part of the Democrat Party, probably more so today then at any time in its sordid history.

Damocles
09-17-2009, 10:55 AM
Is part of your confronting it being on the wrong side of the Affirmative Action debate?
Part of my confronting it is confronting people who want their "race" defined as part of the blessed.

Canceled1
09-17-2009, 10:58 AM
What's the third step?

Give it over to God and let him do it, silly. :rolleyes:

Hermes Thoth
09-17-2009, 11:00 AM
Part of my confronting it is confronting people who want their "race" defined as part of the blessed.

In the current context of the way the laws work, that is the only way of achieving actual legal equality.

Your argument failed last time you trotted it out.

cawacko
09-17-2009, 11:01 AM
Not at all. But to deny that racism exists in this country, and that for some people this plays a significant role in their attitudes toward policy and legislative negotiations, would be naive at best.

To agree with the President simply because he is black would be every bit as racist as the converse.

The first step in dealing with any problem is to acknowledge that it exists, however. The second is to realize in depth how that problem, in this case for instance, subverts intelligence and influences decision making.

If we want unity why don't we address partisanship? Why do people support an act when 'their side' does it but not support and act when the 'other side' does it? Why are so many of us political hacks?

I mean if Hillary Clinton were doing exactly what Obama is doing do we think people wouldn't be reacting the same? Or better yet if a rich white man John Edwards were President would people be saying its ok?

Damocles
09-17-2009, 11:03 AM
In the current context of the way the laws work, that is the only way of achieving actual legal equality.

Your argument failed last time you trotted it out.
Only in your fantasy where you think that being part of the list makes you "equal"...

The government is not the source of your rights any more than it can be the measure of your "equalness"... supporting what is wrong because you feel it is too hard to fight is surrender.

Damocles
09-17-2009, 11:03 AM
If we want unity why don't we address partisanship? Why do people support an act when 'their side' does it but not support and act when the 'other side' does it? Why are so many of us political hacks?

I mean if Hillary Clinton were doing exactly what Obama is doing do we think people wouldn't be reacting the same? Or better yet if a rich white man John Edwards were President would people be saying its ok?
They would, but you would then be "sexist."

Hermes Thoth
09-17-2009, 11:09 AM
Only in your fantasy where you think that being part of the list makes you "equal"...

The government is not the source of your rights any more than it can be the measure of your "equalness"... supporting what is wrong because you feel it is too hard to fight is surrender.

Being part of the list of protected classes does offer you the equal protection. It's not a fantasy.

I believe adding male and white to the list of protected classes would be the easiest and quickest way to undo the currently ongoing discrimination.

Your faux patriotic/idealistic bullsnaz is just your way of defending the status quo so you can seem the "ever reasonable" moderate.

Hermes Thoth
09-17-2009, 11:12 AM
I want the discrimination to end.

Damo is disingenuously hung up on implementation details so he can defend the current system.

TuTu Monroe
09-17-2009, 11:18 AM
Fascinating article by Gavin Esler in today's Daily Mail on the subject of racism in the USA.


The ugly question that won't go away... Can America EVER unite behind a black President?



By Gavin Esler (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=y&authornamef=Gavin+Esler)
Last updated at 9:39 AM on 17th September 2009



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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/17/article-0-0676B1EA000005DC-582_233x387.jpg Race issue: Barack Obama

One of the greatest hopes for the Obama presidency was that it would finally heal America's worst wound - racism. This week has shown that for all the good press Barack Obama has enjoyed at home and abroad, the wound is still there, just beneath the surface, and it takes very little to open it up again.
In the months since the first African-American President was sworn into office in January this year, American commentators have tip-toed around the race issue. Some have pretended it is no longer even relevant.
Others have rejoiced that a clearly loving and successful black family in the White House is providing a role model for others in a society in which black families have often been portrayed negatively.
But former U.S. President Jimmy Carter caused the issue to explode into the open again this week with his claims that much of the vitriol directed at Obama's ambitious healthcare-reform plan is 'based on racism'.
If Carter is correct - and I have spoken to white as well as black Americans who broadly agree he is - then simply putting an African-American President in office has not been enough to reverse the bitterest legacy of America's original sin, slavery.
Even worse, it has now tainted the most difficult issue Obama faces, changing the U.S. healthcare system. As Carter put it: there is 'an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be President'.
Certainly, the healthcare debate has created a far wider ideological battleground than the rights and wrongs of Obama's policy proposals. In sometimes furious town-hall meetings, anti-Obama protesters have talked about 'taking back' their country.
Some have portrayed Obama with a Hitler moustache - in a crude suggestion that he has totalitarian ambitions.
Others have suggested that he is not really an American citizen - pointing to his Kenyan father and childhood in Indonesia - and is therefore ineligible for office, not a 'real' President with 'real' American values.
Despite the fact that Barack Hussein Obama is a practising Christian, there are even those who still claim he is a Muslim. It would be tempting to dismiss such hysteria as belonging to a lunatic fringe element. But then came the 'Wilson outburst'.
When President Obama made his big televised speech on healthcare to Congress last week, one Republican Congressman, Joe Wilson, screamed out 'you lie'.
This was shocking and unprecedented to Americans of both parties and of all racial backgrounds. The President of the United States is not simply, like a British prime minister, the head of a government. He is also, like the Queen, the head of state.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/17/article-1214046-065C4AE7000005DC-664_233x320.jpg 'You lie': Joe Wilson

Even in the rough-and-tumble of American political debates, I cannot think of an American president who has been heckled in such a way during such a major address. It was crude politics, and obviously rude. But was it racism, as Jimmy Carter claims?
Wilson has since apologised for his outburst - and the President has been gracious enough to accept it.
But in Washington they are noting that years ago Congressman Wilson worked for a segregationist politician in the South and more recently voted in favour of flying the Confederate flag - a favoured symbol of white rule.
Moreover, the controversy comes hot on the heels of a similar inflammatory episode involving the arrest of an old friend of President Obama's, Henry Gates - a prominent black academic.
Professor Gates was observed by a police officer acting suspiciously outside a property in Massachusetts that subsequently turned out to be his own home. When questioned by the officer, Professor Gates became verbally abusive, accusing the police of being racist, and was thus arrested at the scene.
Yet when the story became public, the President waded into the debate, stating that the officer concerned had 'acted stupidly' with regards to his friend. This, said his opponents, was proof of Obama's inherent racial loyalties, even at the expense of a police officer performing his normal duties.
A storm in a teacup? Not, it seems, when the issue of the President's race remains such a sensitive issue - as it undoubtedly does.



More...



Use the force, Barack: Obama shows off his skills with lightsaber (and probably wishes he had a real one to deal with opponents) (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1213788/You-lie-outburst-Obama-racist-says-president-Jimmy-Carter.html)


An American journalist friend of mine said to me just last week that the atmosphere in the U.S. nowadays is 'as poisonous as anything I can remember since the early Nineties'.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/17/article-1214046-06735C37000005DC-914_233x307.jpg Mr President: Jimmy Carter

He referred directly to the Oklahoma City outrage - a bomb planted by Timothy McVeigh that killed 168 people in a direct attack on the U.S. government. My friend shocked me by saying he would not be surprised if there were further acts of domestic terrorism spawned by hatred of Obama.
He is by no means the only one to detect an atmosphere of fear and suspicion.
At a recent conference I asked the African-American veteran civil rights campaigner Roger Wilkins - a man who marched with Martin Luther King - whether the election of Obama meant the end for racism in America.
Professor Wilkins, who worked for the Johnson administration in the Sixties, accepted that a black man in the White House was a great leap forward, but said that racism was still there, and black people knew it. So did white people.
For Obama this is, then, a very dangerous time - not just politically but personally.
Many Americans are worried that, sooner or later, some American, racist nutcase will try to shoot their President simply because of his skin colour.
The Secret Service is, of course, vigilant, though the white supremacist plots against him that have been discovered so far have been almost laughably incompetent.
As for his political enemies, Obama's success has been that from the outset of his presidential campaign he has been 'above race'. That is becoming an increasingly difficult challenge, as his opponents seek to highlight once again his colour, however far-fetched their accusations may be.
In all the enthusiasm for Barack Obama in Britain and Europe, we need to remember that even when up against John McCain - a relatively elderly candidate from a Republican party in disarray - he did not win in a landslide.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/17/article-1214046-06666618000005DC-71_233x352.jpg Demonstrators have equated Obama to Nazi leaders

For all his oratorical and political skills, Obama's victory was not overwhelming. He offended some working-class white people by talking of them 'clinging' to guns and God. Some Democrats I talked to simply refused to vote for him, though none would say openly that race was a factor.
And now in trying to reform healthcare - which amounts to almost 17 per cent of the American economy - Barack Obama is emerging as just the type of Big Government President that those on the American far-Right really loathes.
As he takes on healthcare reform, cracks down on the banks and spends government money trying to keep the economy afloat, there are plenty of political reasons for Barack Obama to be a controversial President, to be opposed, even to be defeated.
His race is not one of these - for most Americans. But for a minority, even in the 21st century, a black President is still unacceptable. Obama has changed much in America, but not even his oratory and skill can change that.
● Gavin Esler’s novel Power Play, about the potential collapse of the British-American 'special relationship', is published this month. He is a former BBC chief North America correspondent.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1214046/The-ugly-question-wont-away--Can-America-EVER-unite-black-President.html#ixzz0RNSRUWGk



This is just another way to keep this crap going and you love it.

This author is putting gas on the fire. This made me want to puke when he said, I cannot think of an American president who has been heckled in such a way during such a major address. It was crude politics, and obviously rude. I wonder if he and your ilk said the same thing when it was done to Bush, only worse? Hypocrites, every one of you.

Damocles
09-17-2009, 11:23 AM
Being part of the list of protected classes does offer you the equal protection. It's not a fantasy.

I believe adding male and white to the list of protected classes would be the easiest and quickest way to undo the currently ongoing discrimination.

Your faux patriotic/idealistic bullsnaz is just your way of defending the status quo so you can seem the "ever reasonable" moderate.
The fantasy lies in the belief that the government is the only means to secure what is right.

Hermes Thoth
09-17-2009, 11:24 AM
The fantasy lies in the belief that the government is the only means to secure what is right.

Oh yeah. you're such a revolutionary. Don't make me laugh, sold out hack.

cancel2 2022
09-17-2009, 11:33 AM
As if we were uniting under white presidents... :rolleyes:

If race baiting is all you have, then you have nothing.

I found it to be a most perceptive and interesting article, but obviously you'd prefer to just sweep it all under the carpet.

Hermes Thoth
09-17-2009, 11:37 AM
I found it to be a most perceptive and interesting article, but obviously you'd prefer to just sweep it all under the carpet.

Your judgement is off.

Thorn
09-17-2009, 11:40 AM
If we want unity why don't we address partisanship? Why do people support an act when 'their side' does it but not support and act when the 'other side' does it? Why are so many of us political hacks?

I mean if Hillary Clinton were doing exactly what Obama is doing do we think people wouldn't be reacting the same? Or better yet if a rich white man John Edwards were President would people be saying its ok?

Excellent point. Somehow we have to encourage intelligent assessment of issues on their own merits. Sadly, I don't feel too optimistic for that in the near future at least.

Hermes Thoth
09-17-2009, 11:40 AM
Americans shouldn't unite. This article is based on a false premise that Unity is an admirable quality. A healthy oppositional and open dialogue is better than a monolithic brainwashed population, silenced by fear of being labelled.

cancel2 2022
09-17-2009, 11:45 AM
Damo, nice new guy burn

You are like a guy offering to hold someone's jacket prior to a fight commencing.

cancel2 2022
09-17-2009, 11:48 AM
Americans shouldn't unite. This article is based on a false premise that Unity is an admirable quality. A healthy oppositional and open dialogue is better than a monolithic brainwashed population, silenced by fear of being labelled.

It is so predictable how people on here will react to mostly anything, just so you know Gavin Esler wrote a eulogy for Ronald Regan in 2004 so pick the bits out of that!!

Cancel 2016.2
09-17-2009, 11:48 AM
The ugly question that won't go away... Can America EVER unite behind a black President?





The true question is: When has America EVER united behind a President?(regardless of skin pigmentation)

The answer... is that while there have been brief times (immediately after 9/11 or Pearl Harbor) where the vast majority set aside differences and came together, the remainder of the time there has been animosity between the two primary parties. This has grown over the past couple of decades.

So pretending that people are not uniting behind Obama due to his skin pigmentation is nothing short of race baiting.

Damocles
09-17-2009, 11:51 AM
I found it to be a most perceptive and interesting article, but obviously you'd prefer to just sweep it all under the carpet.
No, I'd rather confront race baiting idiocy directly. You think it is "perceptive" because your own nation has yet to have a black man in that same type of position in government. It would be like us asking if Britain could "unite" behind Maggie Thatcher because of all the sexism.

The nation voted for the man, they can obviously get behind him. End of story.

Hermes Thoth
09-17-2009, 12:02 PM
It is so predictable how people on here will react to mostly anything, just so you know Gavin Esler wrote a eulogy for Ronald Regan in 2004 so pick the bits out of that!!

Thanks for being irrelevant.

Do you have a legitimate point?

meme
09-17-2009, 12:03 PM
with so many people, even those who voted for this President being called a racist, and a few other choice names because they don't agree with his policies. The Obama and his followers might of made it a lot harder for the next black person who runs as President...people will be afraid they will have to go through all the shit and name calling as they have with this one...

really a shame too..

SmarterthanYou
09-17-2009, 12:04 PM
The ugly question that won't go away... Can America EVER unite behind a black President?


sure. when do we get one?

Hermes Thoth
09-17-2009, 12:06 PM
sure. when do we get one?

Totally. All we have now is this hybrid mulatto freak.

cancel2 2022
09-17-2009, 12:30 PM
No, I'd rather confront race baiting idiocy directly. You think it is "perceptive" because your own nation has yet to have a black man in that same type of position in government. It would be like us asking if Britain could "unite" behind Maggie Thatcher because of all the sexism.

The nation voted for the man, they can obviously get behind him. End of story.

Those words are by Gavin Esler who obviously hasn't risen to your illustrious heights but can claim some knowledge of the US. If you don't agree then fine but to dismiss it in such a desultory manner is, in my view just risible. You may also note that he knows something about Northern Ireland which is more than most on here can claim judging by some of the ludicrous comments posted on my thread about Edward Kennedy.


Esler joined the BBC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC) in 1977 as Northern Ireland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland) reporter, and extended his role upon joining Newsnight in 1982. Esler was then made Washington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.) correspondent and later chief North America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America) correspondent for the BBC, in charge of shaping coverage across the whole continent for the corporation, and covering both the earlier George H. W. Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush) and Clinton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton) administrations. His report on the military build up in the Aleutian islands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutian_islands) as part of the Reagan administration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_administration)'s New Maritime Strategy (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Maritime_Strategy&action=edit&redlink=1) earned him a Royal Television Society award (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Royal_Television_Society_award&action=edit&redlink=1).

Hermes Thoth
09-17-2009, 12:31 PM
Those words are by Gavin Esler who obviously hasn't risen to your illustrious heights but can claim some knowledge of the US. If you don't agree then fine but to dismiss it in such a desultory manner is, in my view just risible. You may also note that he knows something about Northern Ireland which is more than most on here can claim judging by some of the ludicrous comments posted on my thread about Edward Kennedy.


Esler joined the BBC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC) in 1977 as Northern Ireland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland) reporter, and extended his role upon joining Newsnight in 1982. Esler was then made Washington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.) correspondent and later chief North America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America) correspondent for the BBC, in charge of shaping coverage across the whole continent for the corporation, and covering both the earlier George H. W. Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush) and Clinton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton) administrations. His report on the military build up in the Aleutian islands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutian_islands) as part of the Reagan administration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_administration)'s New Maritime Strategy (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Maritime_Strategy&action=edit&redlink=1) earned him a Royal Television Society award (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Royal_Television_Society_award&action=edit&redlink=1).

The person you laud so much appears to be imbecilic.

cancel2 2022
09-17-2009, 12:32 PM
sure. when do we get one?

Who is that person in your avatar?

SmarterthanYou
09-17-2009, 12:32 PM
Who is that person in your avatar?

Samurai Katsumoto

SmarterthanYou
09-17-2009, 12:33 PM
The person you laud so much appears to be imbecilic.

I was looking for the perfect word to describe that. you rock dude. :clink:

cancel2 2022
09-17-2009, 12:34 PM
The person you laud so much appears to be imbecilic.

You would certainly have the credentials to judge imbecility purely on the basis that it take one to know one.

cancel2 2022
09-17-2009, 12:36 PM
I was looking for the perfect word to describe that. you rock dude. :clink:

I think you meant to say "you live under a rock, dude"!

cawacko
09-17-2009, 12:38 PM
Those words are by Gavin Esler who obviously hasn't risen to your illustrious heights but can claim some knowledge of the US. If you don't agree then fine but to dismiss it in such a desultory manner is, in my view just risible. You may also note that he knows something about Northern Ireland which is more than most on here can claim judging by some of the ludicrous comments posted on my thread about Edward Kennedy.


Esler joined the BBC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC) in 1977 as Northern Ireland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland) reporter, and extended his role upon joining Newsnight in 1982. Esler was then made Washington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.) correspondent and later chief North America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America) correspondent for the BBC, in charge of shaping coverage across the whole continent for the corporation, and covering both the earlier George H. W. Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush) and Clinton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton) administrations. His report on the military build up in the Aleutian islands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutian_islands) as part of the Reagan administration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_administration)'s New Maritime Strategy (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Maritime_Strategy&action=edit&redlink=1) earned him a Royal Television Society award (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Royal_Television_Society_award&action=edit&redlink=1).

Tom my question is the premise of the article. As has been stated by a few others on this thread a more basic question would be can America unite behind any President? The country united behind Bush for awhile post 9/11 and behind Bush Sr. right after the first Gulf War other than that the country has always been divided politically. So the author's attempt to say the country can't unite behind a black President overlooks the basic fact that outside two unique events the country doesn't unite behind any President.

SmarterthanYou
09-17-2009, 12:39 PM
I think you meant to say "you live under a rock, dude"!

geez, I got the words all wrong, didn't I?

Hermes Thoth
09-17-2009, 12:39 PM
You would certainly have the credentials to judge imbecility purely on the basis that it take one to know one.

And you would certainly have the _________ to judge ______ purely on the basis that it ______.

Tom Pendergrast insult mad lib.

Fill in the blanks and enjoy.

I'm here for you people.

SmarterthanYou
09-17-2009, 12:44 PM
And you would certainly have the _________ to judge ______ purely on the basis that it ______.

Tom Pendergrast insult mad lib.

Fill in the blanks and enjoy.

I'm here for you people.

WOOT

a fill in the blanks game.

:hedb:

cawacko
09-17-2009, 12:44 PM
And you would certainly have the _________ to judge ______ purely on the basis that it ______.

Tom Pendergrast insult mad lib.

Fill in the blanks and enjoy.

I'm here for you people.

Mad Lib is pretty funny. That is old school. I've haven't heard of Mad Lib in years!

Hermes Thoth
09-17-2009, 12:46 PM
To tom:
And you would certainly have the oversized forehead to judge the accuracy of waterpistols purely on the basis that it takes a very steady hand to wet your gargantuan head surface.

cancel2 2022
09-17-2009, 12:46 PM
Tom my question is the premise of the article. As has been stated by a few others on this thread a more basic question would be can America unite behind any President? The country united behind Bush for awhile post 9/11 and behind Bush Sr. right after the first Gulf War other than that the country has always been divided politically. So the author's attempt to say the country can't unite behind a black President overlooks the basic fact that outside two unique events the country doesn't unite behind any President.

I interpret what he is saying to mean that the level of disunity is greater than it's been for many years and a proportion of that is due to prejudice and blind hatred.

cancel2 2022
09-17-2009, 12:49 PM
And you would certainly have the _________ to judge ______ purely on the basis that it ______.

Tom Pendergrast insult mad lib.

Fill in the blanks and enjoy.

I'm here for you people.

What would call somebody who cannot get my surname right even though it is there in big letters?

Hermes Thoth
09-17-2009, 12:51 PM
What would call somebody who cannot get my surname right even though it is there in big letters?

Someone who doesn't care?

SmarterthanYou
09-17-2009, 12:53 PM
Someone who doesn't care?

fo shizzle

cancel2 2022
09-17-2009, 12:55 PM
Someone who doesn't care?

Well imbeciles don't care so I guess you found your true niche in life.

Cancel 2018. 3
09-17-2009, 12:57 PM
liberals are plain stupid on this issue.....

when liberals didn't support clarance thomas, condi rice, colin powell, alberto gonzales, michael steele, alan keyes etc......then it must have been because they couldn't unite behind black people or hispanics.....

when liberals don't support republican minorities, its not racist.....but forbid republicans don't support a liberal....then they must be racist.....

plain stupid....your race card is maxed out and has been DECLINED!

Hermes Thoth
09-17-2009, 12:57 PM
Well imbeciles don't care so I guess you found your true niche in life.

Imbeciles care the most.

SmarterthanYou
09-17-2009, 12:58 PM
Imbeciles care the most.

thats what makes them Imbecilic

(knew I'd get to use that word in this thread)

cawacko
09-17-2009, 12:58 PM
I interpret what he is saying to mean that the level of disunity is greater than it's been for many years and a proportion of that is due to prejudice and blind hatred.

Well I'm not going to deny there is racism out there but after living in San Francisco during the Bush years I saw plenty of hatred so imo trying to argue that racism is the main uniter of the anti-Obama folks is not accurate.

Hermes Thoth
09-17-2009, 01:00 PM
thats what makes them Imbecilic

(knew I'd get to use that word in this thread)

:clink:

cancel2 2022
09-17-2009, 01:01 PM
Well I'm not going to deny there is racism out there but after living in San Francisco during the Bush years I saw plenty of hatred so imo trying to argue that racism is the main uniter of the anti-Obama folks is not accurate.

Neither he or I are saying that.

Cancel 2018. 3
09-17-2009, 01:02 PM
liberals are plain stupid on this issue.....

when liberals didn't support clarance thomas, condi rice, colin powell, alberto gonzales, michael steele, alan keyes etc......then it must have been because they couldn't unite behind black people or hispanics.....

when liberals don't support republican minorities, its not racist.....but forbid republicans don't support a liberal....then they must be racist.....

plain stupid....your race card is maxed out and has been DECLINED!

and didn't alan keyes run for PRESIDENT......liberals are racists because they could only support a half black president and not alan keyes....

SmarterthanYou
09-17-2009, 01:03 PM
and didn't alan keyes run for PRESIDENT......liberals are racists because they could only support a half black president and not alan keyes....

how many times do you think they called him 'uncle tom'?

Cancel 2016.2
09-17-2009, 01:03 PM
I interpret what he is saying to mean that the level of disunity is greater than it's been for many years and a proportion of that is due to prejudice and blind hatred.

you think it is greater than it was under George W Bush? That the blind hatred the left had towards Bush was somehow less than what has been shown towards Obama?

If that is your point or the authors... then I would strongly disagree.

Bonestorm
09-17-2009, 01:17 PM
you think it is greater than it was under George W Bush? That the blind hatred the left had towards Bush was somehow less than what has been shown towards Obama?

If that is your point or the authors... then I would strongly disagree.


The left hated Bush for real reasons that the independents and moderate righties came to understand. There wasn't anything "blind" about it.

The right hates Obama for reasons I really can't figure out. The left at least had the Iraq War, tax cuts for the wealthy, the Patriot Act, etc . . . Whether you agree with the lefties or not, those are legitimate reasons to dislike the guy. With Obama the righties decided they hate him and are trying to find reasons why.

cancel2 2022
09-17-2009, 01:18 PM
The left hated Bush for real reasons that the independents and moderate righties came to understand. There wasn't anything "blind" about it.

The right hates Obama for reasons I really can't figure out. The left at least had the Iraq War, tax cuts for the wealthy, the Patriot Act, etc . . . Whether you agree with the lefties or not, those are legitimate reasons to dislike the guy. With Obama the righties decided they hate him and are trying to find reasons why.

More to the point the hatred started well before he got into office.

Hermes Thoth
09-17-2009, 01:19 PM
The left hated Bush for real reasons that the independents and moderate righties came to understand. There wasn't anything "blind" about it.

The right hates Obama for reasons I really can't figure out. The left at least had the Iraq War, tax cuts for the wealthy, the Patriot Act, etc . . . Whether you agree with the lefties or not, those are legitimate reasons to dislike the guy. With Obama the righties decided they hate him and are trying to find reasons why.

You can't figure it out? It's his massive spending and growth of governent tentacles into more areas. Most will say that plain as day. ANd you can't figure it out? you're just not listening.

Cancel 2016.2
09-17-2009, 01:26 PM
The left hated Bush for real reasons that the independents and moderate righties came to understand. There wasn't anything "blind" about it.

The right hates Obama for reasons I really can't figure out. The left at least had the Iraq War, tax cuts for the wealthy, the Patriot Act, etc . . . Whether you agree with the lefties or not, those are legitimate reasons to dislike the guy. With Obama the righties decided they hate him and are trying to find reasons why.

The above shows your partisanship...

While I agree that some of the lefts reasons were legit (Iraq, Patriot Act).... pretending there aren't legitimate reasons to be pissed at Obama is nothing short of nonsense.

1) $1.6 trillion dollar deficit for the year

2) Healthcare plan that many oppose

3) Cap and Trade plan that many oppose

4) Bailout of GM and the takeover of GM

5) Bailout of banks and allowing the 'too big to fail' to get bigger

Right there are five reasons to not like what Obama is doing. Like Iraq and the Patriot act, you will have people that support the above three and those that oppose it. Some on each side of the argument will do so simply for partisan reasons. Some on each side will have legitimate reasons for their support/opposition. Whether you agree with those on the right (and center) does not take away from the fact that each of the above are legitimate reasons to not like what is going on in DC.

As for your final comment, that is purely partisan bullshit. While it may apply to some, to pretend it applies to everyone who has protested is absurd.

cawacko
09-17-2009, 01:27 PM
More to the point the hatred started well before he got into office.

Again, how is that different than W? Molly Ivins writing a book entitled "Shrub" somehow expressed a lot of love? Or the fact that many on the left to this day don't consider Bush legitimately elected in 2000 and thus hated him from day one.

Is Obama really viewed as such a 'messiah' that it's impossible to see how anyone could be against him short of racism? Like its impossible to see how someone could not be for all the policies he's laid out so far?

Hermes Thoth
09-17-2009, 01:41 PM
Those clinton miscreants trashed the white house like the trailer trash they were.

Wouldn't it be awesome if we started calling The White House The Black House? And painted it black? That would be awesome. On the for real.

uscitizen
09-17-2009, 01:41 PM
Excellent point. Somehow we have to encourage intelligent assessment of issues on their own merits. Sadly, I don't feel too optimistic for that in the near future at least.

Pack mentality? Or just division of personality types?
How much is those in power using us for their benefit?

uscitizen
09-17-2009, 01:44 PM
The left hated Bush for real reasons that the independents and moderate righties came to understand. There wasn't anything "blind" about it.

The right hates Obama for reasons I really can't figure out. The left at least had the Iraq War, tax cuts for the wealthy, the Patriot Act, etc . . . Whether you agree with the lefties or not, those are legitimate reasons to dislike the guy. With Obama the righties decided they hate him and are trying to find reasons why.

My main gripes with Bush are.
Invasion of Iraq.
lack of tolerance for gays and such.
legislating morality.
Spending like a drunken sailor.
Lack of enforcement for existing programs.

Hermes Thoth
09-17-2009, 01:55 PM
Pack mentality? Or just division of personality types?
How much is those in power using us for their benefit?

It's the intitutionalization of interpersonal abuse.

Sending mixed messages, judging harshly, yet encouraging the worst behavior. Creating images to aspire to that are impossible to achieve in the conditions they create. Pretending to care, but actually seeking means of population reduction. This is all DOCUMENTED in UN charter papers. Whitepapers. Eugenics essays from Eric Holdren.



The elites conspire to put us all literally in a state of walking post traumatic stress disorder, to control us, stop our critical thought, and make us JOIN the system of generational abuse. Or they will cancel us out of the database, once we are microchipped and our bank accounts are virtual.

Separated from the land through GREEN RESTRICTIONS, we will perish.

The Matrix is real and we're in it.

uscitizen
09-17-2009, 01:57 PM
Is Obama really viewed as such a 'messiah'
//

No.

that is right wingnutz spin.

SmarterthanYou
09-17-2009, 01:59 PM
The Matrix is real and we're in it.

http://static.desktopnexus.com/wallpapers/19444-bigthumbnail.jpg

Hermes Thoth
09-17-2009, 02:05 PM
Trippy.

Cancel 2018. 3
09-17-2009, 03:09 PM
not one lib has answered why it is acceptable for them to not support minority republicans and not be racist, yet it is racist to not support a black president's policies.....

hypocrite much....

Hermes Thoth
09-17-2009, 03:14 PM
I think yurt has a good point here. Anyone care to rebutt?

SmarterthanYou
09-17-2009, 03:15 PM
not one lib has answered why it is acceptable for them to not support minority republicans and not be racist, yet it is racist to not support a black president's policies.....

hypocrite much....

yurt, i'm very happy for you and imma let you finish, but everyone knows that liberals must believe that GOP is for old white guys.

DamnYankee
09-17-2009, 04:40 PM
Obama can't get America to support him simply because he's half-black. That means that he's a failure.

Canceled1
09-17-2009, 06:59 PM
Someone who doesn't care?

Yeah - Neener-neener!

"What would call somebody" ????????????????????


:pke:

Betcha' can't tell, me betcha' can't! :321:

Cancel 2018. 3
09-17-2009, 07:07 PM
Obama can't get America to support him simply because he's half-black. That means that he's a failure.

dude...seriously....

Cancel 2018. 3
09-17-2009, 07:08 PM
not one lib has answered why it is acceptable for them to not support minority republicans and not be racist, yet it is racist to not support a black president's policies.....

hypocrite much....


I think yurt has a good point here. Anyone care to rebutt?


yurt, i'm very happy for you and imma let you finish, but everyone knows that liberals must believe that GOP is for old white guys.

http://www.fromoldbooks.org/Andrews-CuriositiesOfTheChurch/pages/112-Hour-Glass/112-Hour-Glass-q75-314x500.jpg

uscitizen
09-17-2009, 07:11 PM
You are catching on.

christiefan915
09-17-2009, 07:39 PM
and didn't alan keyes run for PRESIDENT......liberals are racists because they could only support a half black president and not alan keyes....

IMO Alan Keyes was never a true contender. What % of voters supported him?

tinfoil
09-17-2009, 07:41 PM
I want the republicans to put forth a black candidate for president next time around.

It would be interesting to watch.

http://weblogs.amny.com/news/politics/newyork/blog/nm_keyes.jpg

meme
09-17-2009, 07:42 PM
not one lib has answered why it is acceptable for them to not support minority republicans and not be racist, yet it is racist to not support a black president's policies.....

hypocrite much....

:thup:

tinfoil
09-17-2009, 07:42 PM
IMO Alan Keyes was never a true contender. What % of voters supported him?

So what. He wasn't excluded. His ideas just didn't fit well with the party like Ron Paul.

meme
09-17-2009, 07:47 PM
So what. He wasn't excluded. His ideas just didn't fit well with the party like Ron Paul.

and if he had been elected we would see all the libs standing behind all his policies he wanted? No
So this Bs of people not accepting the Hugo Obama because he is black is total Bullshit that is being used to bludgeon the people into silence who are speaking out against him...it's not going to work and in my opinion it's going to backfire on the Democrat-Progressive party come election time..

christiefan915
09-17-2009, 08:08 PM
Some of them did it for rascism.
Can you prove they did not?

What a maroon. She claims that the "mind fucks" correlate Obama hatred with the color of his skin. I guess the "mind-fucks" also correlate Obama with socialism because that seems to be the reflexive insult from those like her who disagree with his policies.

More rightie ignorance on display.

uscitizen
09-17-2009, 08:11 PM
and if he had been elected we would see all the libs standing behind all his policies he wanted? No
So this Bs of people not accepting the Hugo Obama because he is black is total Bullshit that is being used to bludgeon the people into silence who are speaking out against him...it's not going to work and in my opinion it's going to backfire on the Democrat-Progressive party come election time..

and who is promoting it? Who is being used by it?
And it is not total BS just partial.
Many do not support him becuase he is black.

christiefan915
09-17-2009, 08:14 PM
If we want unity why don't we address partisanship? Why do people support an act when 'their side' does it but not support and act when the 'other side' does it? Why are so many of us political hacks?

I mean if Hillary Clinton were doing exactly what Obama is doing do we think people wouldn't be reacting the same? Or better yet if a rich white man John Edwards were President would people be saying its ok?

IMO it's not always over principle that people support an act when their side does it but not when the other side does; it's the opportunity to use a "gotcha" moment that turns into a vicious cycle.

christiefan915
09-17-2009, 08:18 PM
I interpret what he is saying to mean that the level of disunity is greater than it's been for many years and a proportion of that is due to prejudice and blind hatred.

I see it that way, too.

meme
09-17-2009, 08:24 PM
and who is promoting it? Who is being used by it?
And it is not total BS just partial.
Many do not support him becuase he is black.

the left and their lapdogs in the lamestream media is promoting it, just look at Jimma Carter..

sure there are some who don't support him because he is black, but the majority of people who oppose him is for his radical policies, his arrogant attitude towards the people who don't support him, his total lack of humility..

myself I find him cold, arrogant, uncaring and a radical who actually hates America and most of the people in it...he thinks it should be changed into "his vision" and the American people aren't going to go with that willingly...you would think he would get the drift, but he doesn't..so I think he will be gone in 2012 and I can't wait..

christiefan915
09-17-2009, 08:25 PM
how many times do you think they called him 'uncle tom'?

Probably never. He got, what, .04% of the vote so that suggests that he wasn't even on most voter's radar.

christiefan915
09-17-2009, 08:27 PM
Again, how is that different than W? Molly Ivins writing a book entitled "Shrub" somehow expressed a lot of love? Or the fact that many on the left to this day don't consider Bush legitimately elected in 2000 and thus hated him from day one.

Is Obama really viewed as such a 'messiah' that it's impossible to see how anyone could be against him short of racism? Like its impossible to see how someone could not be for all the policies he's laid out so far?

If people didn't hate Obama from way back they wouldn't have attached the "messiah" label to him.

christiefan915
09-17-2009, 08:31 PM
the left and their lapdogs in the lamestream media is promoting it, just look at Jimma Carter..

sure there are some who don't support him because he is black, but the majority of people who oppose him is for his radical policies, his arrogant attitude towards the people who don't support him, his total lack of humility..

myself I find him cold, arrogant, uncaring and a radical who actually hates America and most of the people in it...he thinks it should be changed into "his vision" and the American people aren't going to go with that willingly...you would think he would get the drift, but he doesn't..so I think he will be gone in 2012 and I can't wait..

If his policies actually were radical I could understand the dislike, but he's not radical enough. His continuation of a number of bush policies should tell you that. And how do you get that he "hates America and most of the people in it"? That's just lame.

uscitizen
09-17-2009, 08:32 PM
If people didn't hate Obama from way back they wouldn't have attached the "messiah" label to him.

Yep, that totally came from the right.

meme
09-17-2009, 08:46 PM
If his policies actually were radical I could understand the dislike, but he's not radical enough. His continuation of a number of bush policies should tell you that. And how do you get that he "hates America and most of the people in it"? That's just lame.

like Kanya West about Bush, he hates black people..
I think the Hugo Obama hates white people..
that is how I see it..
and if you don't think he is radical enough, then you will see more and more people not standing behind you all and this President...so don't be so shocked..just continue screaming racism ever chance you all get, cause it is now falling on deft ears...good job..

Minister of Truth
09-17-2009, 08:49 PM
This country united for a few seconds to unanimously elect Gen. Washington to president in 1788, and then for a few seconds to do so again in 1792. The closest we've ever been since was the Era of Good Feelings and WWII...

I don't get how people are naive enough to think that unity is a realistic goal, or that we are uniquely divided and partisan today...

meme
09-17-2009, 08:56 PM
the Unity crap come when a Democrat is in office...

when it is a Republican, the call is "dissent is patriotic"..

same ole same ole crap they always pull..and when they don't get their way, it's the Republicans and conservative who are, just hateful...

tinfoil
09-17-2009, 09:05 PM
Many do not support him becuase he is black.

How do you know this? Can you please cite your source

uscitizen
09-17-2009, 09:07 PM
How do you know this? Can you please cite your source

My source is a notable percentage of white male voters in my area.
And I see no reason that the feeling is not widespread. At least in the redneck south.

tinfoil
09-17-2009, 09:08 PM
If people didn't hate Obama from way back they wouldn't have attached the "messiah" label to him.

that's fucking stupid. He got the label because the media treated him with kid-gloves and praised everything he did or was expected to do as the acts of a god-like superstar

tinfoil
09-17-2009, 09:08 PM
My source is a notable percentage of white male voters in my area.
And I see no reason that the feeling is not widespread. At least in the redneck south.
LOL
Just as I thought.

uscitizen
09-17-2009, 09:48 PM
LOL
Just as I thought.

that explains it. You have been thinking again. You were warned that was hazardous.

Cancel 2018. 3
09-17-2009, 09:52 PM
IMO Alan Keyes was never a true contender. What % of voters supported him?

RACIST!

uscitizen
09-17-2009, 09:54 PM
Alan Keyes is black?

I don't even know anything about the guy except a vague name recognition.

Cancel 2018. 3
09-17-2009, 09:55 PM
You are catching on.

i see.....so what you are saying is....

libs will not answer or address a true issue.....they only make up faux issues....numerous opportunities...yet not one liberal offered a response, despite numerous posters quoting for a response.......

what do you make of that?

uscitizen
09-17-2009, 09:56 PM
i see.....so what you are saying is....

libs will not answer or address a true issue.....they only make up faux issues....numerous opportunities...yet not one liberal offered a response, despite numerous posters quoting for a response.......

what do you make of that?

Only that I was mistaken, you are not catching on. sigh...

Cancel 2018. 3
09-17-2009, 09:56 PM
Alan Keyes is black?

I don't even know anything about the guy except a vague name recognition.

dumbass.....this only proves your ignorant liberal hate racism talk.....

uscitizen
09-17-2009, 10:26 PM
dumbass.....this only proves your ignorant liberal hate racism talk.....

I am just not eat up with politics like some. I follow the main contenders and for my state and local elections. That is all I can vote on anyway.

cancel2 2022
09-18-2009, 12:54 AM
Samurai Katsumoto


Don't you mean it is Ken Watanabe playing Katsumoto?

christiefan915
09-18-2009, 06:25 AM
that's fucking stupid. He got the label because the media treated him with kid-gloves and praised everything he did or was expected to do as the acts of a god-like superstar

Oh, c'mon now. If anybody was fawned over, handled with kid gloves and treated like a superstar, it was reagan, the 2nd worst president ever, and he was never called a messiah.

christiefan915
09-18-2009, 06:27 AM
RACIST!

Hey!!!!

Topspin
09-18-2009, 06:51 AM
Turd just munch his own turd.
I hate Obama for not leaving Iraq.
I hate Obama for sending more troops to Afghanistan
I hate Obama for corporate give aways.
All the same reasons Bush was hated. Since Obama is black I must be a racist. Liberal men are retarded. I need a new party that is socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

Jarod
09-18-2009, 07:06 AM
I do not see a lot of blatent racism toward President Obama. It is more of an undercurrent that seems to make it more okay to have excessive hate toward him for doing some of the same things other presidents have done.

This hatrid for liberals is not new, I saw it when I lived in Alabama and Bill Clinton was president. There was even an undercurrent of racism and sexism against Bill Clinton. I heard lots of time, "Bill Clinton is a N---er lover", "Bill Clinton is going to give all of our money to the blacks" and "I cant trust a man who cant controll his wife" or "his wife wears the pants in that family"!

Hermes Thoth
09-18-2009, 07:16 AM
I do not see a lot of blatent racism toward President Obama. It is more of an undercurrent that seems to make it more okay to have excessive hate toward him for doing some of the same things other presidents have done.

This hatrid for liberals is not new, I saw it when I lived in Alabama and Bill Clinton was president. There was even an undercurrent of racism and sexism against Bill Clinton. I heard lots of time, "Bill Clinton is a N---er lover", "Bill Clinton is going to give all of our money to the blacks" and "I cant trust a man who cant controll his wife" or "his wife wears the pants in that family"!

An undercurrent? Yes. A mysterious imperceptible undercurrent that you're hallucinating.

Jarod
09-18-2009, 07:25 AM
An undercurrent? Yes. A mysterious imperceptible undercurrent that you're hallucinating.

Maybe, but that is my opinion.

Hermes Thoth
09-18-2009, 07:27 AM
Maybe, but that is my opinion.

You're an unthinking automaton that get it's opinions from morons.

Jarod
09-18-2009, 07:30 AM
You're an unthinking automaton that get it's opinions from morons.

And that is your poinion.

Cancel 2016.2
09-18-2009, 07:30 AM
If people didn't hate Obama from way back they wouldn't have attached the "messiah" label to him.

that has nothing to do with people "hating" him. That had more to do with his followers actions than with what Obama himself was doing.

christiefan915
09-18-2009, 08:19 AM
that has nothing to do with people "hating" him. That had more to do with his followers actions than with what Obama himself was doing.

See my previous comment about reagan.

tinfoil
09-18-2009, 08:23 AM
Alan Keyes is black?

I don't even know anything about the guy except a vague name recognition.

Seriously, you're a really ignorant old man. You should have gotten out more

DamnYankee
09-18-2009, 08:29 AM
Alan Keyes is black?

I don't even know anything about the guy except a vague name recognition.
Actually, Allen Keyes is American.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/pspauld/BlogPix/240px-Alan_Keyes.jpg

Jarod
09-18-2009, 08:31 AM
They feel they can get away with more vitrial because to them he is less American, because he is a first generation immigrant and because he is black.

That is the reason behind the, "he was really born in Kenya argument"!

DamnYankee
09-18-2009, 08:40 AM
They feel they can get away with more vitrial because to them he is less American, because he is a first generation immigrant and because he is black.

That is the reason behind the, "he was really born in Kenya argument"! How do you know what the opposition "feels"?

Jarod
09-18-2009, 08:41 AM
How do you know what the opposition "feels"?

Its my impression.

PostmodernProphet
09-18-2009, 08:43 AM
back to the original question, since it appears that America will never unite behind any president, whatever his or her race, the answer would have to be no.....

DamnYankee
09-18-2009, 08:57 AM
Its my impression. Nice to see that you admit you have your head up your ass.

TuTu Monroe
09-19-2009, 05:20 PM
Oh, c'mon now. If anybody was fawned over, handled with kid gloves and treated like a superstar, it was reagan, the 2nd worst president ever, and he was never called a messiah.

Actually, the left was responsible for Obama getting the title of Messiah. It was funny the way you guys slobbered all over him. I even liked him at one time.

meme
09-19-2009, 05:29 PM
Actually, the left was responsible for Obama getting the title of Messiah. It was funny the way you guys slobbered all over him. I even liked him at one time.

after I read some of his books, saw the people he hung around and how he treated his white family as if they didn't exist....I can say I never liked him, and he has turned out worse than I even could of imagined..

TuTu Monroe
09-19-2009, 05:53 PM
after I read some of his books, saw the people he hung around and how he treated his white family as if they didn't exist....I can say I never liked him, and he has turned out worse than I even could of imagined..

I liked him until I found out the people with whom he associated and his record in the corrupt state senate. It didn't take long to change my mind.

christiefan915
09-19-2009, 08:17 PM
Actually, the left was responsible for Obama getting the title of Messiah. It was funny the way you guys slobbered all over him. I even liked him at one time.

Sorry to burst your bubble but I never slobbered over Obama. I did think his platform was light-years away from the same old sh*t McCain was dishing up.

meme
09-19-2009, 08:21 PM
Sorry to burst your bubble but I never slobbered over Obama. I did think his platform was light-years away from the same old sh*t McCain was dishing up.

Oh his platform is falling light-years away alright..

seen the polls lately.

christiefan915
09-19-2009, 08:24 PM
after I read some of his books, saw the people he hung around and how he treated his white family as if they didn't exist....I can say I never liked him, and he has turned out worse than I even could of imagined..

Treated his white family as if they didn't exist? What planet are you living on?

His mother and grandfather died back in the '90's, his grandmother was ailing and died just last year, and his half-sister worked for his campaign.

It would be a miracle if you posted something about Obama that wasn't false.

christiefan915
09-19-2009, 08:25 PM
I liked him until I found out the people with whom he associated and his record in the corrupt state senate. It didn't take long to change my mind.

You wouldn't have liked him for any reason because his ideology is 180 degrees opposite yours.

uscitizen
09-19-2009, 08:28 PM
Why did all the right wingnutz read Obama's books?

I never read any of his books but I can honestly say I never liked the guy. He was just the lesser of the evils come Nov 2008.

meme
09-19-2009, 08:29 PM
Treated his white family as if they didn't exist? What planet are you living on?

His mother and grandfather died back in the '90's, his grandmother was ailing and died just last year, and his half-sister worked for his campaign.

It would be a miracle if you posted something about Obama that wasn't false.

oh, how often did you see his sister on the stage with him?..

and don't forget his famous quote, his grandmother was just a typical white person when she saw a black man approaching her...

it would be a miracle if you could post something about him that was the truth and not spin...

christiefan915
09-19-2009, 08:48 PM
oh, how often did you see his sister on the stage with him?..

and don't forget his famous quote, his grandmother was just a typical white person when she saw a black man approaching her...

it would be a miracle if you could post something about him that was the truth and not spin...

She was onstage with him at the convention. How often did you see McCain's brother on stage with him?

TuTu Monroe
09-20-2009, 06:54 AM
You wouldn't have liked him for any reason because his ideology is 180 degrees opposite yours.

Yeah, when I realized he was a far-far lefty, not the moderate he pretended to be, it turned me off.

Hermes Thoth
09-20-2009, 06:59 AM
Treated his white family as if they didn't exist? What planet are you living on?

His mother and grandfather died back in the '90's, his grandmother was ailing and died just last year, and his half-sister worked for his campaign.

It would be a miracle if you posted something about Obama that wasn't false.

Yeah. They didn't exist, and he treated him that way. duh.

/MSG/
09-20-2009, 09:07 AM
Why is it that racism must always delve back into slavery? There is racism in countries and places where there have never been slaves. To equate them both is to ignore that there were white slaves and black slave owners. It is intellectualy dishonest.

Hermes Thoth
09-20-2009, 09:32 AM
The Muslim world was actually the largest consumer of african slaves. But they castrated them all, so we don't see their offsprings in the current muslim world.

christiefan915
09-20-2009, 02:50 PM
Yeah. They didn't exist, and he treated him that way. duh.

Okay, that is pretty funny. :D

Cancel 2018. 3
09-20-2009, 05:17 PM
The Muslim world was actually the largest consumer of african slaves. But they castrated them all, so we don't see their offsprings in the current muslim world.

how do you know this?

DamnYankee
09-20-2009, 07:22 PM
The Muslim world was actually the largest consumer of african slaves. But they castrated them all, so we don't see their offsprings in the current muslim world. Not simply the consumer but the main harvester as well.

uscitizen
09-20-2009, 10:30 PM
I think many Republicans and many democrats can only unite behind a black president if they are carrying pitchforks.