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cancel2 2022
07-31-2009, 04:17 PM
Has this case been reported in the US? I ask because it has been a cause célèbre in the UK highlighting the one-sided nature of the 2003 Extradition Act.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article6735714.ece

Canceled2
07-31-2009, 04:35 PM
Has this case been reported in the US? I ask because it has been a cause célèbre in the UK highlighting the one-sided nature of the 2003 Extradition Act.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article6735714.ece

Interesting case in that the UK authorities by and large have no problem with his extradition. If I read the article right his mom wishes a special case be made for him because his asperger made him do it?

Being a conspiracy therorist hardly seems a valid defense from guilt for hacking into US military defense systems.

cancel2 2022
07-31-2009, 04:51 PM
Interesting case in that the UK authorities by and large have no problem with his extradition. If I read the article right his mom wishes a special case be made for him because his asperger made him do it?

Being a conspiracy therorist hardly seems a valid defense from guilt for hacking into US military defense systems.

Yet eminent people such as David Cameron and Nick Clegg have been extremely vocal against his extradition to the US. David Cameron is the leader of the Conservative Party and very probably the next Prime Minister.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1200266/David-Cameron-attacks-spineless-Labour-MPs-deserted-Gary-McKinnon.html?ITO=1490

christiefan915
07-31-2009, 04:51 PM
Has this case been reported in the US? I ask because it has been a cause célèbre in the UK highlighting the one-sided nature of the 2003 Extradition Act.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article6735714.ece

I haven't seen anything yet in the news but after reading a few articles, I'm tending to side with the McKinnons. I know a few kids with autism and they don't have the same <perceptions, comprehension, insight. cognition> as those who don't. It has nothing to do with intelligence, they can be very intelligent but some essential element is lacking. It's clear that this man who hacked over UFO's didn't have the intent the DoD is trying to ascribe to him, unless there's something else we don't know.

cancel2 2022
07-31-2009, 05:03 PM
I haven't seen anything yet in the news but after reading a few articles, I'm tending to side with the McKinnons. I know a few kids with autism and they don't have the same <perceptions, comprehension, insight. cognition> as those who don't. It has nothing to do with intelligence, they can be very intelligent but some essential element is lacking. It's clear that this man who hacked over UFO's didn't have the intent the DoD is trying to ascribe to him, unless there's something else we don't know.

The real problem here is the 2003 Extradition Act which is incredibly one sided, it was passed specifically to deal with terrorists and has been used over and over to extradite British citizens to the US to avoid the normal checks and balances. Even Sarah Brown, Gordon Brown's wife is against the extradition.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197385/Sarah-Browns-tears-Gary-McKinnon.html?ITO=1490

cancel2 2022
07-31-2009, 05:10 PM
I haven't seen anything yet in the news but after reading a few articles, I'm tending to side with the McKinnons. I know a few kids with autism and they don't have the same <perceptions, comprehension, insight. cognition> as those who don't. It has nothing to do with intelligence, they can be very intelligent but some essential element is lacking. It's clear that this man who hacked over UFO's didn't have the intent the DoD is trying to ascribe to him, unless there's something else we don't know.

The elephant in the room, which NASA and the Pentagon would prefer not to discuss, is the fact that their systems were so poorly protected that somebody could easily penetrate them. The case is more about embarrassment than any other consideration.

cancel2 2022
07-31-2009, 05:19 PM
The elephant in the room, which NASA and the Pentagon would prefer not to discuss, is the fact that their systems were so poorly protected that somebody could easily penetrate them. The case is more about embarrassment than any other consideration.

Here is some background on the 2003 Extradition Act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_Act_2003

apple0154
07-31-2009, 05:19 PM
Has this case been reported in the US? I ask because it has been a cause célèbre in the UK highlighting the one-sided nature of the 2003 Extradition Act.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article6735714.ece:confused:

I would think the British government would want to keep him for national security reasons. If he could hack into the US Department of Defense he is probably valuable for hacking enemy computers.

On the other hand maybe my thinking is swayed by the fact I cant even hack my own computer when looking for a file. :confused:

cancel2 2022
07-31-2009, 05:23 PM
:confused:

I would think the British government would want to keep him for national security reasons. If he could hack into the US Department of Defense he is probably valuable for hacking enemy computers.

On the other hand maybe my thinking is swayed by the fact I cant even hack my own computer when looking for a file. :confused:

They ought to sign him up immediately as a classic poacher turned gamekeeper but never underestimate the power of embarrassment as a motivation for stupidity.

christiefan915
07-31-2009, 05:31 PM
The real problem here is the 2003 Extradition Act which is incredibly one sided, it was passed specifically to deal with terrorists and has been used over and over to extradite British citizens to the US to avoid the normal checks and balances. Even Sarah Brown, Gordon Brown's wife is against the extradition.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197385/Sarah-Browns-tears-Gary-McKinnon.html?ITO=1490

I looked up the act and it seems like a stretch to apply it to this man. I'm embarrassed that the U.S. considers him a threat.

http://www.fco.gov.uk/resources/en/pdf/pdf8/fco_pdf_usextraditiontreaty

christiefan915
07-31-2009, 05:32 PM
Here is some background on the 2003 Extradition Act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_Act_2003

LOL, great minds and all that.

cancel2 2022
08-01-2009, 09:46 AM
LOL, great minds and all that.

This has been dragging on for nigh on seven years, a succession of pathetic spineless government ministers could have stopped this years ago by allowing him to be prosecuted in a British court but are scared shitless by the US government.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1203568/Now-guts-Mr-Johnson-Judges-say-Home-Secretary-CAN-order-Gary-McKinnon-tried-here.html

cancel2 2022
08-01-2009, 04:17 PM
This has been dragging on for nigh on seven years, a succession of pathetic spineless government ministers could have stopped this years ago by allowing him to be prosecuted in a British court but are more concerned at sucking up to the US government.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1203568/Now-guts-Mr-Johnson-Judges-say-Home-Secretary-CAN-order-Gary-McKinnon-tried-here.html

David Cameron, the next Prime Minister, has said he will look at the 2003 act and amend it where necessary.