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Into Тhe Night
12-07-2022, 08:47 PM
Lol.
I've been talking online with several Canadians and Australians who can't grasp why we Americans don't have universal healthcare yet. One Canadian man told me that he had emergency surgery after a stroke. He saw several specialists and spent some weeks in the hospital?
His bill?
$0.00
Maybe America is too stupid to figure it out.
SmarterthanYou
12-08-2022, 07:06 AM
I've been talking online with several Canadians and Australians who can't grasp why we Americans don't have universal healthcare yet. One Canadian man told me that he had emergency surgery after a stroke. He saw several specialists and spent some weeks in the hospital?
His bill?
$0.00
Maybe America is too stupid to figure it out.
who paid the doctors, surgeons, nurses, anesthesiologists, and other various people involved in that emergency surgery? where did that money come from?
floridafan
12-08-2022, 07:08 AM
who paid the doctors, surgeons, nurses, anesthesiologists, and other various people involved in that emergency surgery? where did that money come from?
Its far better when the money comes from the government, than private health care companies who are more concerned with profits.
SmarterthanYou
12-08-2022, 07:17 AM
Its far better when the money comes from the government, than private health care companies who are more concerned with profits.
money does not come from the government, so would you care to rephrase your answer with truth? or continue with the lie that government money is free?
floridafan
12-08-2022, 07:20 AM
money does not come from the government, so would you care to rephrase your answer with truth? or continue with the lie that government money is free?
I never said government money is free, but heath care provided by the government is far far superior to what we get from private insurance companies. Can you fucking believe, a doctor tells a patient that they need a particular surgery and it cannot be done until approved by their insurance carrier?
SmarterthanYou
12-08-2022, 07:28 AM
I never said government money is free, but heath care provided by the government is far far superior to what we get from private insurance companies. Can you fucking believe, a doctor tells a patient that they need a particular surgery and it cannot be done until approved by their insurance carrier?
I must have missed the part of the US Constitution that made it a right of the people to lay claim to the services of another person........that sounds like, slavery.
floridafan
12-08-2022, 07:30 AM
I must have missed the part of the US Constitution that made it a right of the people to lay claim to the services of another person........that sounds like, slavery.
What does that comment have to do with my post.
Street Glider
12-08-2022, 07:39 AM
Lol.
I've been talking online with several Canadians and Australians who can't grasp why we Americans don't have universal healthcare yet. One Canadian man told me that he had emergency surgery after a stroke. He saw several specialists and spent some weeks in the hospital?
His bill?
$0.00
Maybe America is too stupid to figure it out.
I used to travel extensively throughout Canada on business. They like the fact that they don't pay for what they get, but they wish what they got was a lot better, and definitely more timely. If it's not life threatening, you wait...
SmarterthanYou
12-08-2022, 07:43 AM
What does that comment have to do with my post.
should we assume that with GOVERNMENT running national healthcare for all, that price controls are going to be necessary?
floridafan
12-08-2022, 07:46 AM
should we assume that with GOVERNMENT running national healthcare for all, that price controls are going to be necessary?
If all insurance was as good and well run as medicare, we would be far better off.
SmarterthanYou
12-08-2022, 08:01 AM
If all insurance was as good and well run as medicare, we would be far better off.
so you don't want to answer the question. I understand.
floridafan
12-08-2022, 08:04 AM
so you don't want to answer the question. I understand.
The answer to your question is NO. Next?
SmarterthanYou
12-08-2022, 08:06 AM
The answer to your question is NO. Next?
so NO price controls? what exactly would government regulate, then?
floridafan
12-08-2022, 08:08 AM
so NO price controls? what exactly would government regulate, then?
who said they would regulate anything. Does the government regulate Medicare or Medicaid?
SmarterthanYou
12-08-2022, 08:15 AM
who said they would regulate anything. Does the government regulate Medicare or Medicaid?
maybe you should explain what, exactly, you believe national healthcare would be, because YES, Medicare and Medicaid is regulated by the government.
floridafan
12-08-2022, 08:30 AM
maybe you should explain what, exactly, you believe national healthcare would be, because YES, Medicare and Medicaid is regulated by the government.
Where exactly is Medicare regulated. be specific.
SmarterthanYou
12-08-2022, 08:48 AM
Where exactly is Medicare regulated. be specific.
Medicare is a federal program and is run by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, an agency of the federal government.
we call this 'regulation'.........in case you were wondering.
floridafan
12-08-2022, 08:51 AM
Medicare is a federal program and is run by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, an agency of the federal government.
we call this 'regulation'.........in case you were wondering.
No, I want to know the exact regulation you are speaking of. I know you aint got a clue.
SmarterthanYou
12-08-2022, 09:30 AM
No, I want to know the exact regulation you are speaking of. I know you aint got a clue.
you're deflecting. YOU said that national healthcare would be better than any private run healthcare. I also asked you why you felt that people have a right to the goods and services of a specific industry, which you avoided answering, choosing instead to deflect to something else. Then you finally answered NO on price controls...........to whit I asked you what WOULD be regulated. Now you want me to tell you how medicare is regulated?
why can't you clearly delineate why national run/regulated healthcare is better than privately run?
Flash
12-08-2022, 10:11 AM
I never said government money is free, but heath care provided by the government is far far superior to what we get from private insurance companies. Can you fucking believe, a doctor tells a patient that they need a particular surgery and it cannot be done until approved by their insurance carrier?
Government must also approve medical procedures. My wife has had three back injections ordered by a doctor and before each one we had to make a 200 mile roundtrip for a ten minute visit before Medicare approved the procedure in addition to the initial visit. The first back injection was required by Medicare before she could get a back operation.
Flash
12-08-2022, 10:16 AM
Where exactly is Medicare regulated. be specific.
Medicare is regulated when you get medical treatment. Doctors have all kinds of regulations to follow and often "fudge" reports so the patient qualifies for treatment. My doctor has to get prior approval before injecting my knee for arthritis.
ThatOwlWoman
12-08-2022, 10:36 AM
should we assume that with GOVERNMENT running national healthcare for all, that price controls are going to be necessary?
Finally we got some of that with Medicare and the price of prescription drugs. Both of us are very happy with our Medicare coverage. And no, we don't have to wait for appointments and procedures, other than a few days for scheduling.
Flash
12-08-2022, 10:39 AM
I must have missed the part of the US Constitution that made it a right of the people to lay claim to the services of another person........that sounds like, slavery.
Laying claim to the services of another person like border patrol agents, soldiers, teachers, federal law enforcement officials, etc.?
ThatOwlWoman
12-08-2022, 10:41 AM
Government must also approve medical procedures. My wife has had three back injections ordered by a doctor and before each one we had to make a 200 mile roundtrip for a ten minute visit before Medicare approved the procedure in addition to the initial visit. The first back injection was required by Medicare before she could get a back operation.
That's typical for all types of spinal surgeries. I did utilization review for workers comp cases before retiring. We had protocols that had to be followed -- set up by the various insurance companies -- before we could approve an orthopedic surgery (most of the cases were orthopedic). Torn rotator cuff? PT, injections, NSAIDs. Diagnostics showing the acute injury. Specific measurements of lack of function, as well as continuing pain. Only then could we approve a surgical repair. Ditto for spinal injuries whether cervical or lumber. PT, medication, epidural steroid injections, then possibly a fusion if these treatments were ineffective. As nurses we were unable to approve fusions so our peer review physicians did that. The insurance companies were all private corporations; none of this was government.
PostmodernProphet
12-08-2022, 10:42 AM
If all insurance was as good and well run as medicare, we would be far better off.
did you know that for most people (those with Medicare Advantage plans) their health care is run by private companies?.......mine is run by Priority Health, BC/BS is a prominent Medicare advantage plan in Michigan........
Flash
12-08-2022, 10:51 AM
That's typical for all types of spinal surgeries. I did utilization review for workers comp cases before retiring. We had protocols that had to be followed -- set up by the various insurance companies -- before we could approve an orthopedic surgery (most of the cases were orthopedic). Torn rotator cuff? PT, injections, NSAIDs. Diagnostics showing the acute injury. Specific measurements of lack of function, as well as continuing pain. Only then could we approve a surgical repair. Ditto for spinal injuries whether cervical or lumber. PT, medication, epidural steroid injections, then possibly a fusion if these treatments were ineffective. As nurses we were unable to approve fusions so our peer review physicians did that. The insurance companies were all private corporations; none of this was government.
Was all this required to qualify for Medicare reimbursement?
ThatOwlWoman
12-08-2022, 10:57 AM
Was all this required to qualify for Medicare reimbursement?
No. The company I worked for did utilization review for private insurers, who carried the workers comp insurance for private companies, by state mandate. Liberty Mutual was one company; there was also Aetna, Gallagher-Bassett, and several others that were both national and regional. The only government involvement was the states' requirements that employers carry WC insurance for their employees.
Medicare and Medicaid though have similar standards for review depending on what the requested procedure/diagnostics/surgery is, and whether it is emergent or not.
ThatOwlWoman
12-08-2022, 11:01 AM
did you know that for most people (those with Medicare Advantage plans) their health care is run by private companies?.......mine is run by Priority Health, BC/BS is a prominent Medicare advantage plan in Michigan........
Yep, supplemental plans run by private insurers make up the difference between what Medicare covers and what it doesn't. Judging by the annual bombardment of advertising, emails, and snail mail solicitations we get every year, there is big BIG money in providing these supplemental plans. So if we did adopt a national Medicare-for-all kind of insurance coverage, private insurance firms would not go out of business.
SmarterthanYou
12-08-2022, 11:15 AM
Laying claim to the services of another person like border patrol agents, soldiers, teachers, federal law enforcement officials, etc.?
false equivalence
SmarterthanYou
12-08-2022, 11:15 AM
Finally we got some of that with Medicare and the price of prescription drugs. Both of us are very happy with our Medicare coverage. And no, we don't have to wait for appointments and procedures, other than a few days for scheduling.
so......plenty of regulation.......in other words, you believe that government should force people to give us their goods and services at rates YOU approve of.........we call that slavery
SmarterthanYou
12-08-2022, 11:17 AM
Yep, supplemental plans run by private insurers make up the difference between what Medicare covers and what it doesn't. Judging by the annual bombardment of advertising, emails, and snail mail solicitations we get every year, there is big BIG money in providing these supplemental plans. So if we did adopt a national Medicare-for-all kind of insurance coverage, private insurance firms would not go out of business.
so based upon this, national healthcare would make medical expenses even more expensive........how is that better?
ThatOwlWoman
12-08-2022, 11:18 AM
so......plenty of regulation.......in other words, you believe that government should force people to give us their goods and services at rates YOU approve of.........we call that slavery
You can call it whatever you want, Cindy. But if you want to communicate, it helps to use the words everyone understands the meaning of.
ThatOwlWoman
12-08-2022, 11:19 AM
so based upon this, national healthcare would make medical expenses even more expensive........how is that better?
I don't know whose ass you pulled that fantasy out of, but I ain't touchin' it. lol
SmarterthanYou
12-08-2022, 11:20 AM
You can call it whatever you want, Cindy.
I'll call it whatever it is. the reason you don't care about it being slavery is that you benefit from it. what does that say about you?
SmarterthanYou
12-08-2022, 11:21 AM
I don't know whose ass you pulled that fantasy out of, but I ain't touchin' it. lol
of course you won't touch the truth. you'd probably flame out like a vampire in sunlight.
you've also shown us that you don't understand even the simplest concept of economics
ThatOwlWoman
12-08-2022, 11:21 AM
I'll call it whatever it is. the reason you don't care about it being slavery is that you benefit from it. what does that say about you?
It says I worked hard my entire life and paid into the system for over 40 years, was lucky enough to make it to age 65, and now am enjoying the fruits of my labor.
floridafan
12-08-2022, 11:44 AM
Medicare is regulated when you get medical treatment. Doctors have all kinds of regulations to follow and often "fudge" reports so the patient qualifies for treatment. My doctor has to get prior approval before injecting my knee for arthritis.
f you are on Medicare your reply js pure bullshit.
floridafan
12-08-2022, 11:46 AM
did you know that for most people (those with Medicare Advantage plans) their health care is run by private companies?.......mine is run by Priority Health, BC/BS is a prominent Medicare advantage plan in Michigan........Medicare Advantage is not traditional Medicare, its just a scam.
SmarterthanYou
12-08-2022, 12:05 PM
It says I worked hard my entire life and paid into the system for over 40 years, was lucky enough to make it to age 65, and now am enjoying the fruits of my labor.
good luck with that. hopefully you won't experience the bullshit my grandparents did with medicare.
SmarterthanYou
12-08-2022, 12:05 PM
f you are on Medicare your reply js pure bullshit.
are you on medicare?
floridafan
12-08-2022, 12:06 PM
are you on medicare?
Yup
Flash
12-08-2022, 12:06 PM
false equivalence
Providing a service in return for government pay. How is border patrol, teacher, or doctor not equivalent in providing that service?
SmarterthanYou
12-08-2022, 12:10 PM
Yup
then i'll tell you the same thing I told owlwoman............good luck with it. your anecdotal pleasant experience with it doesn't take away the nightmare it is for others.
Flash
12-08-2022, 12:12 PM
so based upon this, national healthcare would make medical expenses even more expensive........how is that better?
Depends on how they do it. Medicare is not at all efficient. Competitive bidding to buy their products and supplies would save billions.
SmarterthanYou
12-08-2022, 12:12 PM
Providing a service in return for government pay. How is border patrol, teacher, or doctor not equivalent in providing that service?
one CHOOSES to go in to law enforcement, or become a teacher........but DOCTORS are not currently working for the government. It's a PRIVATE occupation, unless you're HIRED by the government and CHOOSE to work for it. What is being offered here with national healthcare regulated entirely by government is removing said doctors from private sector and forcing them to become public servants at reduced compensation....i.e. slaves.
SmarterthanYou
12-08-2022, 12:13 PM
Depends on how they do it. Medicare is not at all efficient. Competitive bidding to buy their products and supplies would save billions.
in my 56 years on this Earth, the only thing i've ever seen government be efficient about is causing death on all scales
floridafan
12-08-2022, 12:14 PM
then i'll tell you the same thing I told owlwoman............good luck with it. your anecdotal pleasant experience with it doesn't take away the nightmare it is for others.
I have experienced zero problems, zero issues with Medicare. I can see any doctor any specialist I want without prior authorization, anywhere in there country. If a physician says I need a test or procedure then its done, no complications. I surely dont need to wait for an insurance company to approve any procedure that my doctor says that I need.
SmarterthanYou
12-08-2022, 12:15 PM
I have experienced zero problems, zero issues with Medicare. I can see any doctor any specialist I want without prior authorization, anywhere in there country. If a physician says I need a test or procedure then its done, no complications. I surely dont need to wait for an insurance company to approve any procedure that my doctor says that I need.
i'm not inclined to believe you about this........
floridafan
12-08-2022, 12:17 PM
i'm not inclined to believe you about this........
Thats because you know shit about the Medicare system.
Flash
12-08-2022, 12:20 PM
f you are on Medicare your reply js pure bullshit.
Nope. Just had to make an extra trip (200 miles roundtrip) this week to see the Nurse Practitioner (for 10 minutes) before getting the medical procedure after just seeing the doctor who recommended it. They said it is a Medicare requirement.
The doctor who does my arthritis knee injection wanted to move up from steroids to use "rooster juice" (hyaluronic acid) had to get approval first from Medicare.
SmarterthanYou
12-08-2022, 12:22 PM
Thats because you know shit about the Medicare system.
I'm inclined to believe that YOU don't know shit about the system...........but then again, you wouldn't be any different than any other partisan jackass who thinks that government programs work wonderfully when administered by your favored party as compared to your hated party.............I, however, view it bad no matter the party. As I stated before, the ONLY efficient program that governments run is administering death on any scale
floridafan
12-08-2022, 12:25 PM
Nope. Just had to make an extra trip (200 miles roundtrip) this week to see the Nurse Practitioner (for 10 minutes) before getting the medical procedure after just seeing the doctor who recommended it. They said it is a Medicare requirement.
The doctor who does my arthritis knee injection wanted to move up from steroids to use "rooster juice" (hyaluronic acid) had to get approval first from Medicare.
Thats pure bull shit, dont bother to respond, your posts are full of shit.
Flash
12-08-2022, 12:29 PM
one CHOOSES to go in to law enforcement, or become a teacher........but DOCTORS are not currently working for the government. It's a PRIVATE occupation, unless you're HIRED by the government and CHOOSE to work for it. What is being offered here with national healthcare regulated entirely by government is removing said doctors from private sector and forcing them to become public servants at reduced compensation....i.e. slaves.
Doctors are not forced to take Medicare or Medicaid. Many will not accept new patients on those plans.
"MACPAC found that only 71% of providers accept Medicaid. That’s compared to 85% who take Medicare and 90% that accept private insurance.
https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/doctors-less-likely-to-accept-medicaid-than-other-insurance/546941/
Flash
12-08-2022, 12:31 PM
Thats pure bull shit, dont bother to respond, your posts are full of shit.
"You can't handle the truth."
Flash
12-08-2022, 12:41 PM
i'm not inclined to believe you about this........
I have Medicare Advantage and pay nothing except prescription co-pay. I can get procedures done quickly, until you start with expensive procedures like back operations. Those require prior approval from Medicare or the insurance company including physical therapy and related procedures. I have not had problems getting approval, but it involves a lot of waiting and extra trips and expenses.
The point is that nobody is going to set up a system and let the doctors do whatever procedures they want without some supervision or approval.
SmarterthanYou
12-08-2022, 01:12 PM
Doctors are not forced to take Medicare or Medicaid. Many will not accept new patients on those plans.
"MACPAC found that only 71% of providers accept Medicaid. That’s compared to 85% who take Medicare and 90% that accept private insurance.
https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/doctors-less-likely-to-accept-medicaid-than-other-insurance/546941/
NOW, but what happens when national health care as a right is mandated??????
PostmodernProphet
12-08-2022, 01:48 PM
Yep, supplemental plans run by private insurers make up the difference between what Medicare covers and what it doesn't. Judging by the annual bombardment of advertising, emails, and snail mail solicitations we get every year, there is big BIG money in providing these supplemental plans. So if we did adopt a national Medicare-for-all kind of insurance coverage, private insurance firms would not go out of business.
if there is big money they must make by being cheaper than Medicare provides, as I pay $18 a month which covers all my prescription drugs, my $10 a month health care membership and $10 a month over the counter health supplies
PostmodernProphet
12-08-2022, 01:52 PM
Medicare Advantage is not traditional Medicare, its just a scam.
lol.....you're an idiot.......we should all be so lucky as to be "scammed" that way.......
AProudLefty
12-08-2022, 01:54 PM
who paid the doctors, surgeons, nurses, anesthesiologists, and other various people involved in that emergency surgery? where did that money come from?
He did, fuckturd.
AProudLefty
12-08-2022, 01:56 PM
I used to travel extensively throughout Canada on business. They like the fact that they don't pay for what they get, but they wish what they got was a lot better, and definitely more timely. If it's not life threatening, you wait...
*coughsbullshitcoughs*
PostmodernProphet
12-08-2022, 01:57 PM
I have experienced zero problems, zero issues with Medicare. I can see any doctor any specialist I want without prior authorization, anywhere in there country. If a physician says I need a test or procedure then its done, no complications. I surely dont need to wait for an insurance company to approve any procedure that my doctor says that I need.
and I have Medicare Advantage.......whenever I have something new like a change in medication or visit to a specialist, I have to wait until Medicare authorizes it......thus, I suspect you are lying........
AProudLefty
12-08-2022, 01:58 PM
Medicare is a federal program and is run by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, an agency of the federal government.
we call this 'regulation'.........in case you were wondering.
What is this Mickey Mouse bullshit? Can you get any dumber.
AProudLefty
12-08-2022, 01:59 PM
Laying claim to the services of another person like border patrol agents, soldiers, teachers, federal law enforcement officials, etc.?
He's too dumb to understand that.
AProudLefty
12-08-2022, 02:00 PM
did you know that for most people (those with Medicare Advantage plans) their health care is run by private companies?.......mine is run by Priority Health, BC/BS is a prominent Medicare advantage plan in Michigan........
Did you come to terms with the fact that you will never be a real woman?
AProudLefty
12-08-2022, 02:03 PM
one CHOOSES to go in to law enforcement, or become a teacher........but DOCTORS are not currently working for the government. It's a PRIVATE occupation, unless you're HIRED by the government and CHOOSE to work for it. What is being offered here with national healthcare regulated entirely by government is removing said doctors from private sector and forcing them to become public servants at reduced compensation....i.e. slaves.
Wow. It's incredible how dumb you are.
floridafan
12-08-2022, 02:05 PM
lol.....you're an idiot.......we should all be so lucky as to be "scammed" that way.......
and you are an ignorant asshole. try entering a hospital with Medicare Advantage and be prepared to put up 4-5 thousand out of pocket. In fact Mayo Clinic just announced this week that anyone who has an Advantage Plan must put up a deposit before they can enter the hospital. That does not apply to traditional medicare.
floridafan
12-08-2022, 02:08 PM
and I have Medicare Advantage.......whenever I have something new like a change in medication or visit to a specialist, I have to wait until Medicare authorizes it......thus, I suspect you are lying........
You are fucking wrong again, Medicare Advantage is a private health system that doesn't use Medicare. You are at their mercy with pre approvals. There are no authorizations or pre approval with traditional medicare. get you fat ass out of Medicare Advantage while you still can.
Flash
12-08-2022, 02:14 PM
in my 56 years on this Earth, the only thing i've ever seen government be efficient about is causing death on all scales
Much of it is not designed to be efficient including the Constitution. Whatever action generates the most funding becomes the goal.
The Inspector General for Iraq was asked why the government pays contractors who never completed a projects, built shoddy buildings, or never even started the project. He said the military officers were evaluated on how many contracts they issued.
Flash
12-08-2022, 02:18 PM
NOW, but what happens when national health care as a right is mandated??????
Unlikely. Even Obamacare did not include such requirements and any "Medicare for All" plan would probably be just expanded Medicare.
PostmodernProphet
12-08-2022, 04:30 PM
and you are an ignorant asshole. try entering a hospital with Medicare Advantage and be prepared to put up 4-5 thousand out of pocket. In fact Mayo Clinic just announced this week that anyone who has an Advantage Plan must put up a deposit before they can enter the hospital. That does not apply to traditional medicare.
dude.....Medicare Advantage is Medicare plus supplemental coverage........if you have to pay out of pocket with advantage you will pay exactly the same out of pocket under Medicare.......you lying out of your ass.....
PostmodernProphet
12-08-2022, 04:36 PM
You are fucking wrong again, Medicare Advantage is a private health system that doesn't use Medicare. You are at their mercy with pre approvals. There are no authorizations or pre approval with traditional medicare. get you fat ass out of Medicare Advantage while you still can.
go away idiot......I pay two premiums every month......one to Medicare which is deducted from my SS check and one for ny advantage plan.....I would say you shouldn't post about things you don't know......but that's all you've ever done.....
floridafan
12-08-2022, 04:38 PM
dude.....Medicare Advantage is Medicare plus supplemental coverage........if you have to pay out of pocket with advantage you will pay exactly the same out of pocket under Medicare.......you lying out of your ass.....
You are so full of shit, it stinks from here. Advantage is private insurance and is not the same or even close to medicare.
floridafan
12-08-2022, 04:40 PM
go away idiot......I pay two premiums every month......one to Medicare which is deducted from my SS check and one for ny advantage plan.....I would say you shouldn't post about things you don't know......but that's all you've ever done.....
Cunt face, everyone pays for Medicare part A. But when it comes to medicare supplements and prescription drug coverage medicare and advantage are as different as night and day.
PostmodernProphet
12-08-2022, 04:49 PM
You are so full of shit, it stinks from here. Advantage is private insurance and is not the same or even close to medicare.
wrong.....sorry......you're simply wrong.....
floridafan
12-08-2022, 04:50 PM
wrong.....sorry......you're simply wrong.....
Everyone pays for Medicare Part A
Medicare advantage replaces Medicare parts B and D
PostmodernProphet
12-08-2022, 04:51 PM
Cunt face, everyone pays for Medicare part A. But when it comes to medicare supplements and prescription drug coverage medicare and advantage are as different as night and day.
lol....okay, so you just admitted that Medicare Advantage is Medicare plus supplemental.......therefore, everything covered under Medicare is also covered under Medicare Advantage.......so much for your lie about higher costs and longer waits........
PostmodernProphet
12-08-2022, 05:49 PM
Everyone pays for Medicare Part A
Medicare advantage replaces Medicare parts B and D
odd Medicare hasn't tried to sell me any supplemental insurance in the last 5 years......
who paid the doctors, surgeons, nurses, anesthesiologists, and other various people involved in that emergency surgery? where did that money come from?
There are many different systems to get to universal healthcare, but for the most part the government, and actually the taxpayers. It is cheaper, because unlike us, they know they will be paid. While everyone is paying, no one has to pay a ruinous amount.
To put it all in prospective, the Canadian and American governments spend almost the same amount of money per capita on healthcare. With that, Canadians get universal coverage, Americans get coverage of about a quarter of the people.
odd Medicare hasn't tried to sell me any supplemental insurance in the last 5 years......
Medicare does not sell you supplemental insurance, it would be private insurers who do that. You really should get it.
PostmodernProphet
12-08-2022, 06:01 PM
Medicare does not sell you supplemental insurance, it would be private insurers who do that. You really should get it.
you should explain that to Florida......he's a bit confused.....
you should explain that to Florida......he's a bit confused.....
The rest of the world is shocked by how badly the US has messed up healthcare coverage.
PostmodernProphet
12-08-2022, 08:23 PM
The rest of the world is shocked by how badly the US has messed up healthcare coverage.
sorry no one is able to cure you.....
anonymoose
12-08-2022, 09:51 PM
Lol.
I've been talking online with several Canadians and Australians who can't grasp why we Americans don't have universal healthcare yet. One Canadian man told me that he had emergency surgery after a stroke. He saw several specialists and spent some weeks in the hospital?
His bill?
$0.00
Wow. So it was free? :)
AProudLefty
12-08-2022, 09:55 PM
Wow. So it was free? :)
No it wasn't, silly goose.
anonymoose
12-09-2022, 12:23 AM
No it wasn't, silly goose.
But, but… the bill was $0.00. :eek:
anonymoose
12-09-2022, 12:26 AM
Its far better when the money comes from the government, than private health care companies who are more concerned with profits.
When the money comes from the gubmint it’s fraught with fraud, waste and abuse (I’ve seen it up close, still do).
Private insurance - profit.
Choose your poison.
Lightbringer
12-09-2022, 12:42 AM
Lol.
I've been talking online with several Canadians and Australians who can't grasp why we Americans don't have universal healthcare yet. One Canadian man told me that he had emergency surgery after a stroke. He saw several specialists and spent some weeks in the hospital?
His bill?
$0.00
Maybe America is too stupid to figure it out.
Those Canadians and Australians have obviously never been to the DMV.
AProudLefty
12-09-2022, 01:32 AM
But, but… the bill was $0.00. :eek:
And?
floridafan
12-09-2022, 06:47 AM
When the money comes from the gubmint it’s fraught with fraud, waste and abuse (I’ve seen it up close, still do).
Private insurance - profit.
Choose your poison.
If you dont think, dont know, there is fraud, waste and abuse in private insurance, you aint very bright.
PostmodernProphet
12-09-2022, 07:28 AM
If you dont think, dont know, there is fraud, waste and abuse in private insurance, you aint very bright.
just less than there is in anything run by the government.......
floridafan
12-09-2022, 07:29 AM
just less than there is in anything run by the government.......
another piece of your never ending bull shit. You dont have a single fact to back that up.
PostmodernProphet
12-09-2022, 07:34 AM
another piece of your never ending bull shit. You dont have a single fact to back that up.
and it is only your penchant for spreading falsehood that causes you to deny it........
floridafan
12-09-2022, 07:35 AM
and it is only your penchant for spreading falsehood that causes you to deny it........
I will deny anything and everything you post until such time as you can prove it. That you never can.
PostmodernProphet
12-09-2022, 07:40 AM
I will deny anything and everything you post until such time as you can prove it. That you never can.
because I don't have the powers of the GAO........all I can do is open my eyes and stop ignoring the truth........can you say the same?.....
floridafan
12-09-2022, 07:42 AM
because I don't have the powers of the GAO........all I can do is open my eyes and stop ignoring the truth........can you say the same?.....
if you say something then prove it, otherwise its just chalked up to typical right wing bull shit. Your personal opinion on any subject means shit.
PostmodernProphet
12-09-2022, 07:47 AM
if you say something then prove it, otherwise its just chalked up to typical right wing bull shit. Your personal opinion on any subject means shit.
lol.....check your closest mirror, fuckwit.....
anonymoose
12-09-2022, 10:08 AM
just less than there is in anything run by the government.......
Way less. In fact , ins. companies have far more safeguards and oversight in place. They have more incentive.
Commit fraud against them and they lose money. Commit fraud against govt., they just meander on.
Add to that, it takes an act of congress to fire a government employee, consequently a much higher percentage of them are content to show up ( or not) and collect a paycheck.
It’s very easy to commit fraud against the gubmint and get away with it. At least in medicine and dentistry.
I’ve seen it firsthand and still do.
anonymoose
12-09-2022, 10:11 AM
And?
I’d consider that free.
I WANT MAH FREE SHIT FROM THE GUBMINT! I KNOW MAH RIGHTS!
AProudLefty
12-09-2022, 10:13 AM
I’d consider that free.
I WANT MAH FREE SHIT FROM THE GUBMINT! I KNOW MAH RIGHTS!
Nope. Everyone there pays into it. It's the same as how insurance works. Basic economics. Read about it.
PoliTalker
12-09-2022, 10:16 AM
Hello America,
Lol.
I've been talking online with several Canadians and Australians who can't grasp why we Americans don't have universal healthcare yet. One Canadian man told me that he had emergency surgery after a stroke. He saw several specialists and spent some weeks in the hospital?
His bill?
$0.00
Maybe America is too stupid to figure it out.
We have the best government money can buy.
anonymoose
12-09-2022, 10:21 AM
Nope. Everyone there pays into it. It's the same as how insurance works.
Those on Medicaid don’t.
It’s why I proposed Moosecare a few years back. Universal health care that everyone pays in to and fair for everybody.
You can even choose your system - Medicare type where you can choose to be assigned to a low ambition, poorly paid gubmint employed doc at a VA type facility all the way up to self pay and choosing your own doc who provides care at competitive fees, and everything in between.
The key is that everyone is required to pay in to the system.
It’s a brilliant plan!:)
In fact, as soon as I am anointed King, it will be a priority of my administration.
AProudLefty
12-09-2022, 10:26 AM
Those on Medicaid don’t.
It’s why I proposed Moosecare a few years back. Universal health care that everyone pays in to and fair for everybody.
You can even choose your system - Medicare type where you can choose to be assigned to a low ambition, poorly paid gubmint employed doc at a VA type facility all the way up to self pay and choosing your own doc who provides care at competitive fees, and everything in between.
The key is that everyone is required to pay in to the system.
It’s a brilliant plan!:)
In fact, as soon as I am anointed King, it will be a priority of my administration.
False. Everyone pays into it.
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