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Flanders
09-17-2021, 03:39 AM
Lists of best presidents, or worst presidents, show up from time to time. Abraham Lincoln and Woodrow Wilson usually make it into the top five of every Democrat’s best president list. Conversely, they always make it to number one and number two on my list of worst president.

Should the ‘experts’ ever get around to compiling a list of the most overrated presidents —— Lincoln and Wilson will be the only contestants. That is saying a lot when you toss out FDR, LBJ, JFK, Carter, Clinton, Obama, and Biden.

I do not know what Tom DiLorenzo thinks about Wilson, but he gets a double-attaboy for nailing “Honest Abe”:


Today, The Two Mikes welcomed back Dr. Tom DiLorenzo for a discussion on Abraham Lincoln and to mark the anniversary of the battle of Antietam on September 17th.

Dr. DiLorenzo has written three excellent, highly provocative, and deeply researched books about Abraham Lincoln, and they have influenced and begun to change the understanding of Lincoln among the public and in the academy.

Dr. DiLorenzo explained that Lincoln was a lawyer for corporate interests and was the chief counsel for the Illinois Central railway, a career that produced a man who favored protectionism, governmental spending to assist railroad and other industries, and a view of the central government properly operating beyond its constitutional powers and reach.


Lincoln is the last person anybody should invoke trying to justify the Civil War with the slavery argument. Everything Lincoln did and said set this country on the road to federal government control.

Instead of civil war, Lincoln could have, and should have, worked within the Constitution if he felt so strongly about preserving the Union. Naturally, the Civil War would have been unnecessary had the South surrendered their Rights instead of defending them.


Thus, the war that came can be seen not only as a Civil War but as a war to protect Northern economic interests.


The fact is that Lincoln saw the Constitution impeding his will.



Americans celebrate Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, but H.L. Mencken correctly evaluated the speech, "It is poetry not logic; beauty, not sense." Lincoln said that the soldiers sacrificed their lives "to the cause of self-determination -- government of the people, by the people, for the people should not perish from the earth."

Mencken says: "It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of people to govern themselves."


https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?109621-The-Evolution-Of-The-Party-Of-Liars&p=2797672#post2797672


(https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?109621-The-Evolution-Of-The-Party-Of-Liars&p=2797672#post2797672)
As important, Dr. DiLorenzo points out that there is nothing in the founding documents that prevents secession, and that Lincoln was fully empowered to let the southern states go and form another republic in North America, and save 850,000 lives in the process.

This analysis clearly is relevant to the thinking of Americans today.

It also is worth mentioning that this was the position of Jefferson, Madison, and several other of the founders.

Dr. DiLorenzo does not immediately convince all of his listeners, but his work demands respect and consideration and, as for myself, his work has caused me to begin to rethink much of what I had long believed about Lincoln.




Tom DiLorenzo: Abraham Lincoln was a Big Government Politician
by Two Mikes
September 16, 2021

https://freedomfirstnetwork.com/2021/09/tom-dilorenzo-abraham-lincoln-was-a-big-government-politician

Frank Apisa
09-17-2021, 03:48 AM
Lincoln was a GREAT president...and deserves all the accolades he gets.

The most OVERRATED president we've ever had is Trump.

He is rated the worst president we've ever had...and that, in my opinion, overrates him. He is a traitor...and has done more to damage our Republic than all of our foreign enemies combined.

Hawkeye10
09-17-2021, 03:58 AM
I dont know enough to know but based upon an argument I read several years ago that it is Wilson which seemed pretty solid to me that is where I would start.

RB 60
09-17-2021, 04:46 AM
Lincoln was a GREAT president...and deserves all the accolades he gets.

The most OVERRATED president we've ever had is Trump.

He is rated the worst president we've ever had...and that, in my opinion, overrates him. He is a traitor...and has done more to damage our Republic than all of our foreign enemies combined.

Trump!

Flanders
09-17-2021, 05:51 AM
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https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?175859-Which-General-Would-Commit-Treason

(https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?175859-Which-General-Would-Commit-Treason)

The most OVERRATED president we've ever had is Trump.

He is rated the worst president we've ever had...and that, in my opinion, overrates him. He is a traitor...and has done more to damage our Republic than all of our foreign enemies combined.

To Frank Apisa: Your copy is in the mail.




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NiftyNiblick
09-17-2021, 06:16 AM
I lean toward FDR as the best, myself,

and I consider Trump surpassing Dubya as the very worst

to be possibly the most disgraceful artifact of US history since slavery.

ParachuteAdams
09-17-2021, 06:58 AM
I don’t know. Nobody told me.

The ASPCA

Jarod
09-17-2021, 07:02 AM
GWB, Started both the Afghanistan and Iraq wars and if he is not last, he is overrated.

Frank Apisa
09-17-2021, 07:03 AM
Trump!

Yes, RB...Trump.

He is the one rated a total failure and the worst president ever...

...and in my opinion, he is overrated.

Jarod
09-17-2021, 07:05 AM
Yes, RB...Trump.

He is the one rated a total failure and the worst president ever...

...and in my opinion, he is overrated.

Historians will likely chose Trump, because he was the most obviously incompetent, he lacked a basic understanding of the Constitution... But GWB started two unnecessary wars leading to untold damage to the United States and the deaths of many of our best.

Stringfellow Hawk
09-17-2021, 07:10 AM
Worst Presidents for me are the ones that targeted small businesses for destruction- Carter absolute worst, then FDR, Obama make up the top 3. I believe Biden is moving toward those top 3. Trump was not PC, hence the hate from the left. I think the weakest Republican President in my lifetime outside of Nixon was GW Bush or possibly Gerald Ford. Trump for me in 401k earnings alone was the clear winner as I almost made my retirement plan come back after tha hideous legislation called Obamacare passed.

Hoosier Daddy
09-17-2021, 07:48 AM
I dont know enough to know but based upon an argument I read several years ago that it is Wilson which seemed pretty solid to me that is where I would start.

Wilson was a raging racist. Abe was first or second best president. Trump is a piece of shit waste of human skin.

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ParachuteAdams
09-17-2021, 08:34 AM
The one thug says to the other. What’s up with him?
The thug replies back. “ He has problems at home.”


https://youtu.be/wAsBta25OGQ

It was good seeing you dog. SMP Souf’s Myrtle Posey.
I’m the pres, you’re the vice, desks the treasurer and knuckle neck is down.

Flanders
09-17-2021, 01:33 PM
Lincoln was a GREAT president...and deserves all the accolades he gets.

To Frank Apisa: Teachers, authors, and movie producers are responsible for Lincoln’s accolades.

On the other hand, average black Americans cheering for Lincoln have been suckered since the Civil War. In truth, had Lincoln not taken one in the melon he was going to send freed slaves back to Africa.


Did Abraham Lincoln plan to send ex-slaves to Central America after the Civil War?
By Louis Jacobson
June 26, 2015

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/jun/26/blog-posting/did-abraham-lincoln-plan-send-ex-slaves-central-am/


https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?167109-The-Great-Emancipator-Was-A-Racist&p=4395958#post4395958

Parenthetically, Lincoln was a tall ugly man who married a short crazy woman. That is why he always reminded me of the old joke:

After a 6 feet 6 inch man married a miniature wife a friend asked him about intercourse. He replied “She gets on top so it is like jerking off with somebody to talk to.”

Frank Apisa
09-17-2021, 02:27 PM
To Frank Apisa: Teachers, authors, and movie producers are responsible for Lincoln’s accolades.

On the other hand, average black Americans cheering for Lincoln have been suckered since the Civil War. In truth, had Lincoln not taken one in the melon he was going to send freed slaves back to Africa.


Did Abraham Lincoln plan to send ex-slaves to Central America after the Civil War?
By Louis Jacobson
June 26, 2015

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/jun/26/blog-posting/did-abraham-lincoln-plan-send-ex-slaves-central-am/


https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?167109-The-Great-Emancipator-Was-A-Racist&p=4395958#post4395958

Parenthetically, Lincoln was a tall ugly man who married a short crazy woman. That is why he always reminded me of the old joke:

After a 6 feet 6 inch man married a miniature wife a friend asked him about intercourse. He replied “She gets on top so it is like jerking off with somebody to talk to.”

Abraham Lincoln was a great president...and a leader. He may be second best to George Washington...he may be our best president.

Trump is the worst president we've ever had...and hopefully, will be the worst we ever have.

Now, go back to your fantasies. When you take time off to post that bullshit you post, you are wasting valuable whacking off time.

Trumpet
09-17-2021, 02:31 PM
Trump!

Crazy Trump is the president of the dolts.

RB 60
09-17-2021, 06:08 PM
Yes, RB...Trump.

He is the one rated a total failure and the worst president ever...

...and in my opinion, he is overrated.

In your opinion...

RB 60
09-17-2021, 06:11 PM
Crazy Trump is the president of the dolts.

http://i.imgur.com/dOWiQ.jpg


Dolt!

Frank Apisa
09-18-2021, 03:04 AM
In your opinion...

Yes, RB, IN MY OPINION.

That is, most often, what we do here...offer opinions. Sometimes they are opinions about other opinions...and sometimes they are opinions about facts.

It is a fact that Trump was elected president of the United States in the 2016 election. It is a fact that many people consider Trump to be the very worst president we've ever had...and it is a fact that many people hope that Trump will remain the very worst president of all time. It would be a shame to have someone even worse in that job.

It is, as you noted, MY OPINION that considering him just the worst president we've ever had IS OVERRATING HIM.

It is my opinion that he has instigated and abetted traitorous and seditious acts toward America...and that he therefore is a traitor and a seditionist.

So...we are in agreement. That is my opinion.

Flanders
09-18-2021, 08:52 AM
It is my opinion that he has instigated and abetted traitorous and seditious acts toward America...and that he therefore is a traitor and a seditionist.

To Frank Apisa: My my, what a clever fellow you are. After two impeachments your pals never named a crime let alone prove Trump was guilty of anything.

On the other hand, so many top Democrats are guilty of treason and/or sedition it will be easier to shoot them then it is build enough gallows to hang them.

Minister of Truth
09-18-2021, 08:56 AM
Lists of best presidents, or worst presidents, show up from time to time. Abraham Lincoln and Woodrow Wilson usually make it into the top five of every Democrat’s best president list. Conversely, they always make it to number one and number two on my list of worst president.

Should the ‘experts’ ever get around to compiling a list of the most overrated presidents —— Lincoln and Wilson will be the only contestants. That is saying a lot when you toss out FDR, LBJ, JFK, Carter, Clinton, Obama, and Biden.

I do not know what Tom DiLorenzo thinks about Wilson, but he gets a double-attaboy for nailing “Honest Abe”:


Today, The Two Mikes welcomed back Dr. Tom DiLorenzo for a discussion on Abraham Lincoln and to mark the anniversary of the battle of Antietam on September 17th.

Dr. DiLorenzo has written three excellent, highly provocative, and deeply researched books about Abraham Lincoln, and they have influenced and begun to change the understanding of Lincoln among the public and in the academy.

Dr. DiLorenzo explained that Lincoln was a lawyer for corporate interests and was the chief counsel for the Illinois Central railway, a career that produced a man who favored protectionism, governmental spending to assist railroad and other industries, and a view of the central government properly operating beyond its constitutional powers and reach.


Lincoln is the last person anybody should invoke trying to justify the Civil War with the slavery argument. Everything Lincoln did and said set this country on the road to federal government control.

Instead of civil war, Lincoln could have, and should have, worked within the Constitution if he felt so strongly about preserving the Union. Naturally, the Civil War would have been unnecessary had the South surrendered their Rights instead of defending them.


Thus, the war that came can be seen not only as a Civil War but as a war to protect Northern economic interests.


The fact is that Lincoln saw the Constitution impeding his will.



Americans celebrate Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, but H.L. Mencken correctly evaluated the speech, "It is poetry not logic; beauty, not sense." Lincoln said that the soldiers sacrificed their lives "to the cause of self-determination -- government of the people, by the people, for the people should not perish from the earth."

Mencken says: "It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of people to govern themselves."


https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?109621-The-Evolution-Of-The-Party-Of-Liars&p=2797672#post2797672


(https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?109621-The-Evolution-Of-The-Party-Of-Liars&p=2797672#post2797672)
As important, Dr. DiLorenzo points out that there is nothing in the founding documents that prevents secession, and that Lincoln was fully empowered to let the southern states go and form another republic in North America, and save 850,000 lives in the process.

This analysis clearly is relevant to the thinking of Americans today.

It also is worth mentioning that this was the position of Jefferson, Madison, and several other of the founders.

Dr. DiLorenzo does not immediately convince all of his listeners, but his work demands respect and consideration and, as for myself, his work has caused me to begin to rethink much of what I had long believed about Lincoln.




Tom DiLorenzo: Abraham Lincoln was a Big Government Politician
by Two Mikes
September 16, 2021

https://freedomfirstnetwork.com/2021/09/tom-dilorenzo-abraham-lincoln-was-a-big-government-politician


We should have just let the CSA attack our military installations with impunity, because, that's brilliant statecraft.

Frank Apisa
09-18-2021, 09:07 AM
To Frank Apisa: My my, what a clever fellow you are. After two impeachments your pals never named a crime let alone prove Trump was guilty of anything.

On the other hand, so many top Democrats are guilty of treason and/or sedition it will be easier to shoot them then it is build enough gallows to hang them.

During the impeachments of the disgusting turd, Trump, it was established beyond a doubt that he had committed all sorts of crimes...and had engaged in acts that border on treason.

What the impeachment trials proved was that Republicans are too fucking stupid or too fucking cowardly to actually bring this clueless, classless criminal to justice.

Thanks for the chance to mention that.

Flanders
09-18-2021, 03:09 PM
To Frank Apisa: Even if Hillary Clinton never committed a crime she would be the most overrated failed presidential candidate.


Franklin Foer is reportedly one of many far-left tools the Democrats and Hillary Clinton used to push their garbage Trump – Russia lies.

In the second 2016 debate, Hillary Clinton claimed President Trump was connected to Russian leader Putin.





https://youtu.be/zBdK4L2RdKE




This was laughable at the time. We could tell then that this argument was rubbish based on lies. However, Hillary, the Democrats and the Deep State push this lie to this day despite it being a lie.

A couple of days ago one of Hillary’s attorneys was indicted for pushing this lie to the FBI. Michael Sussmann was indicted for pushing the Trump – Russia lie. But as we all know, there was a cabal of journalists, Democrats and Deep State actors who pushed this lie with Sussmann. One such actor was a far-left writer from far-left Slate.

FOX News reports:




Journalist Franklin Foer appeared to admit Friday he was the journalist mentioned in a federal grand jury indictment who sent 2,500 words of his story to Fusion GPS the day before it was published.

The research firm hired by the Hillary Clinton campaign to investigate then-candidate Donald Trump wrote him it was “time to hurry” on the story for left-wing outlet Slate linking the Trump Organization and a Russian bank days before the 2016 election, according to the indictment of Democratic lawyer Michael Sussmann.

Sussmann is accused of lying to the FBI by the John Durham probe investigating the origins of the Russia investigation. The indictment accused Sussmann of hiding the fact that he was working for the Clinton campaign while pushing for an investigation into supposed ties between the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank.




From Hillary on down, they all knew what they were doing. They are just trying to get their stories straight so they don’t get caught.




Sussmann Case Shows Far-Left Slate Journalist Was Tool for the Democrats and Hillary in Pushing Garbage Trump-Russia Hit Piece
By Joe Hoft
Published September 18, 2021 at 11:00am

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/sussmann-case-shows-far-left-slate-journalist-tool-democrats-hillary-pushing-garbage-trump-russia-hit-piece/





What the impeachment trials proved was that Republicans are too fucking stupid or too fucking cowardly to actually bring this clueless, classless criminal to justice.

Asshole. Trump would be in prison if Democrats had 1/10th of the evidence they had on the crook:


For starters, Hillary never had to testify under oath. That’s pretty irregular, but it pales in comparison to the FBI preparing their statement before even hearing what she had to say. That alone demonstrates that they weren’t looking for evidence of wrongdoing.

Instead, they were looking for ways to create the appearance of an investigation while really aiming to protect her from prosecution. And, we’re still in the minor injustices.




The Real Reason Hillary Isn’t in Jail [BECAUSE SHE IS TOO BIG PROSECUTE.]

https://www.americanlibertyemail.com/articles/the-real-reason-hillary-isnt-in-jail/

archives
09-18-2021, 03:33 PM
What starts out with an interesting question quickly turns to shit

Consequently, according to "flounder" and "Tom DiLorenzo," who ever the hell he is, James Buchanan then must be one of the greatest President's to occupy the White House

Always comical when those with such little knowledge of history dip into history, the results are predictable. When anyone, well, except those just trolling names and ignorant of history, starts listing worst Presidents, the names Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Pierce, Tyler, Filimore, and Harding usually surface, although I could make a case for Pierce. Discussing Lincoln as belonging on that list is just flat out stupid

In terms of overrated, Cleveland, Jackson, and Wilson are usually included, although, you have to give Wilson some credit, as bad as he was, he did lead the country thru the Great War and had laid the plans for collective security

OldMercsRule
09-18-2021, 07:54 PM
James Buchanan was the worst POTUS in history. His lack of leadership led to the civil war which cost 850,000 lives and many more badly wounded.

Abe Lincoln was the best POTUS in history, George Washington was the most important, (by far the best General in American history) and we would never have had a country without George, Abe saved what George gave us.

FDR, LBJ, and Wilson were all terrible, (near the bottom of the bunch), and caused us massive long term damage.

Carter and Obama are the worst modern POTUSes, n' Biden is doing his best in his first nine months to be a worse POTUS then those two.

Dim wit Democrats, (the party of slavery, jim crow and the kkk), usually love FDR 'cause they worship massive gubment, they also like LBJ and Wilson because they also grew gubment and were blatant racists.

Me overpriced $.02. burp...

RB 60
09-19-2021, 05:17 AM
Yes, RB, IN MY OPINION.

That is, most often, what we do here...offer opinions. Sometimes they are opinions about other opinions...and sometimes they are opinions about facts.

It is a fact that Trump was elected president of the United States in the 2016 election. It is a fact that many people consider Trump to be the very worst president we've ever had...and it is a fact that many people hope that Trump will remain the very worst president of all time. It would be a shame to have someone even worse in that job.

It is, as you noted, MY OPINION that considering him just the worst president we've ever had IS OVERRATING HIM.

It is my opinion that he has instigated and abetted traitorous and seditious acts toward America...and that he therefore is a traitor and a seditionist.

So...we are in agreement. That is my opinion.

My opinion it that you are wrong. Simple as that. No explanation needed.

Frank Apisa
09-19-2021, 05:18 AM
To Frank Apisa: Even if Hillary Clinton never committed a crime she would be the most overrated failed presidential candidate.


Franklin Foer is reportedly one of many far-left tools the Democrats and Hillary Clinton used to push their garbage Trump – Russia lies.

In the second 2016 debate, Hillary Clinton claimed President Trump was connected to Russian leader Putin.





https://youtu.be/zBdK4L2RdKE




This was laughable at the time. We could tell then that this argument was rubbish based on lies. However, Hillary, the Democrats and the Deep State push this lie to this day despite it being a lie.

A couple of days ago one of Hillary’s attorneys was indicted for pushing this lie to the FBI. Michael Sussmann was indicted for pushing the Trump – Russia lie. But as we all know, there was a cabal of journalists, Democrats and Deep State actors who pushed this lie with Sussmann. One such actor was a far-left writer from far-left Slate.

FOX News reports:




Journalist Franklin Foer appeared to admit Friday he was the journalist mentioned in a federal grand jury indictment who sent 2,500 words of his story to Fusion GPS the day before it was published.

The research firm hired by the Hillary Clinton campaign to investigate then-candidate Donald Trump wrote him it was “time to hurry” on the story for left-wing outlet Slate linking the Trump Organization and a Russian bank days before the 2016 election, according to the indictment of Democratic lawyer Michael Sussmann.

Sussmann is accused of lying to the FBI by the John Durham probe investigating the origins of the Russia investigation. The indictment accused Sussmann of hiding the fact that he was working for the Clinton campaign while pushing for an investigation into supposed ties between the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank.




From Hillary on down, they all knew what they were doing. They are just trying to get their stories straight so they don’t get caught.




Sussmann Case Shows Far-Left Slate Journalist Was Tool for the Democrats and Hillary in Pushing Garbage Trump-Russia Hit Piece
By Joe Hoft
Published September 18, 2021 at 11:00am

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/sussmann-case-shows-far-left-slate-journalist-tool-democrats-hillary-pushing-garbage-trump-russia-hit-piece/





Asshole. Trump would be in prison if Democrats had 1/10th of the evidence they had on the crook:


For starters, Hillary never had to testify under oath. That’s pretty irregular, but it pales in comparison to the FBI preparing their statement before even hearing what she had to say. That alone demonstrates that they weren’t looking for evidence of wrongdoing.

Instead, they were looking for ways to create the appearance of an investigation while really aiming to protect her from prosecution. And, we’re still in the minor injustices.




The Real Reason Hillary Isn’t in Jail [BECAUSE SHE IS TOO BIG PROSECUTE.]

https://www.americanlibertyemail.com/articles/the-real-reason-hillary-isnt-in-jail/


Thank you for sharing your negative feelings about Hillary Clinton. I am happy you are so negative about her, because I consider you to be an idiot.

I especially enjoy the fact that you had to veer off topic, because your hero, Trump, is such a fucking turd that you were unable to continue defending him.

Have a great day.

Frank Apisa
09-19-2021, 05:23 AM
My opinion it that you are wrong. Simple as that. No explanation needed.

Yeah, well, I'm gonna give one anyway:

Trump is BY FAR the worst piece of shit ever to be dumped in the White House, including the massive ones Taft probably took while there.

How any sane person could look at Trump and not see the seditious piece of garbage he is...and not see just how much he and his supporters have damaged the United States and its institutions...is beyond comprehension.

Fuck him and fuck you.

Do have a nice day. I'm not going to play golf until Tuesday, so I am all fired up for pissing on that dung heap Trump, if you want to continue this.

Frank Apisa
09-19-2021, 05:26 AM
James Buchanan was the worst POTUS in history. His lack of leadership led to the civil war which cost 850,000 lives and many more badly wounded.

Abe Lincoln was the best POTUS in history, George Washington was the most important, (by far the best General in American history) and we would never have had a country without George, Abe saved what George gave us.

FDR, LBJ, and Wilson were all terrible, (near the bottom of the bunch), and caused us massive long term damage.

Carter and Obama are the worst modern POTUSes, n' Biden is doing his best in his first nine months to be a worse POTUS then those two.

Dim wit Democrats, (the party of slavery, jim crow and the kkk), usually love FDR 'cause they worship massive gubment, they also like LBJ and Wilson because they also grew gubment and were blatant racists.

Me overpriced $.02. burp...

One...most of the slavery, jim crow and kkk adherents of the Democratic Party....have long since gravitated to the Republican Party. Where the hell have you been...under a rock?

Trump is BY FAR the worst president we've ever had...and I hope the worst we will ever have.

RB 60
09-19-2021, 05:29 AM
Yeah, well, I'm gonna give one anyway:

Trump is BY FAR the worst piece of shit ever to be dumped in the White House, including the massive ones Taft probably took while there.

How any sane person could look at Trump and not see the seditious piece of garbage he is...and not see just how much he and his supporters have damaged the United States and its institutions...is beyond comprehension.

Fuck him and fuck you.

Do have a nice day. I'm not going to play golf until Tuesday, so I am all fired up for pissing on that dung heap Trump, if you want to continue this.

Again, I think you are wrong. Why would you want to fuck me? And here I thought you were straight..... :eek:

Frank Apisa
09-19-2021, 05:37 AM
Again, I think you are wrong. Why would you want to fuck me? And here I thought you were straight..... :eek:

I'm straight as an arrow.

And I am NOT WRONG on Trump. He is a fat, ignorant, clueless, narcissistic, classless boor. Other than that, he is disgusting.

Anyone still supporting him should seek professional mental health help.

RB 60
09-19-2021, 05:43 AM
I'm straight as an arrow.

And I am NOT WRONG on Trump. He is a fat, ignorant, clueless, narcissistic, classless boor. Other than that, he is disgusting.

Anyone still supporting him should seek professional mental health help.

Frank, you can't see beyond your hate. Trump's political career is probably over. We taunt you like a cat chasing a laser pointer. Then we laugh.

Frank Apisa
09-19-2021, 05:58 AM
Frank, you can't see beyond your hate. Trump's political career is probably over. We taunt you like a cat chasing a laser pointer. Then we laugh.

Are you supposing I "hate" Trump?

I do not. If he were in danger and I could help, I would do it in a second...as I would for any other human...or any other animal, for that matter.

He is a pig...and unfortunately, he was president of the United States. I comment on his gross ineptitude because of the great damage he has done to our Republic...and I comment on his continuing supporters for their contribution to the great damage Trump has done to our Republic.

All business, nothing personal.

If you think you are toying with me...and get a laugh out of that...GREAT. Laughter is what makes life worth living in my estimation. You have no idea of how much I laugh while composing the responses I post here. I would never deny you your fun.

https://c.tenor.com/5vKnZA8IzwIAAAAM/ray-liotta-laughing.gif

OldMercsRule
09-19-2021, 06:32 AM
One...most of the slavery, jim crow and kkk adherents of the Democratic Party....have long since gravitated to the Republican Party. Where the hell have you been...under a rock?

Trump is BY FAR the worst president we've ever had...and I hope the worst we will ever have.

Yasureyabetcha... burp... pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffft... (breathe deep)

You Marxist dim wit Democrats, (the party of slavery, jim crow n' kkk), hate America, and will always distort history and all the shit yer political party, (which has always been on the wrong side of American history and clearly is now), has put on this great Republic.

Trump was and is infinitely and very obviously mush better then both Obama and Biden and if yer brain worked at all it should be quite obvious to ponder the last 12 years and the actual events that have and are unfolding, (not the crap the corrupt Marxist media's false narrative).

Trump is/was the best modern POTUS since Ronald Reagan, and yer abject stupidity is evidenced by yer Trump derangement syndrome.

Nothing I say will convince a blame n' hate America puke like you, (that lacks any discernable brain function): so just carry on.

Frank Apisa
09-19-2021, 06:59 AM
Yasureyabetcha... burp... pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffft... (breathe deep)

You Marxist dim wit Democrats, (the party of slavery, jim crow n' kkk), hate America, and will always distort history and all the shit yer political party, (which has always been on the wrong side of American history and clearly is now), has put on this great Republic.

Trump was and is infinitely and very obviously mush better then both Obama and Biden and if yer brain worked at all it should be quite obvious to ponder the last 12 years and the actual events that have and are unfolding, (not the crap the corrupt Marxist media's false narrative).

Trump is/was the best modern POTUS since Ronald Reagan, and yer abject stupidity is evidenced by yer Trump derangement syndrome.

Nothing I say will convince a blame n' hate America puke like you, (that lacks any discernable brain function): so just carry on.

American conservatives are the ones who have always been on the wrong side of history.

The first American conservatives called themselves Tories...and were the ones claiming George III was our liege Lord, to whom we owed fealty. The American conservatives during Civil War days were Democrats...so called states rights advocates who wanted slavery to prevail and wanted the Union dissolved. Traitors...all of them.

Then the Democratic Party passed some civil rights bills during the 1960's...and the American conservative scum gravitated to the Republican Party...where they now reside and stink up America and the rest of the world.

Carry on, yourself, Puke.

Frank Apisa
09-19-2021, 07:01 AM
By the way...Trump is a pile of shit...as are his continuing supporters. Traitors to our Republic.

OldMercsRule
09-19-2021, 08:47 AM
American conservatives are the ones who have always been on the wrong side of history.

The first American conservatives called themselves Tories...and were the ones claiming George III was our liege Lord, to whom we owed fealty. The American conservatives during Civil War days were Democrats...so called states rights advocates who wanted slavery to prevail and wanted the Union dissolved. Traitors...all of them.

Then the Democratic Party passed some civil rights bills during the 1960's...and the American conservative scum gravitated to the Republican Party...where they now reside and stink up America and the rest of the world.

Carry on, yourself, Puke.

Well well: original extra stupid puke, ^^^ all upside down semantics.

The founders of the great republic were "classical Liberals" who codified limited gubment n' personal Liberty. I as a modern American Conservative am also a limited gubment personal Liberty "classical Liberal" like the founders of this Republic. I'm not a Republican, n' I lean Libertarian.

Modern "Liberal/Progressives" are big gubment Fascists who whole heartedly embrace Marxism and love Central Control and despise personal Liberty.

Since Abe Lincoln the Republican party, (which is a large and very diverse tent), has been dominated by limited gubment personal Liberty folks in words (n' sometimes actions). The party has from time to time been dominated by Progressive positions (Teddy Roosevelt n' such), butt: usually the party has stuck to the guidance codified in our Constitution.

Since Andy Jackson's time, (good "Ol' Hickory"), the dim wit Democrat party has been dominated by anti-personal Liberty, (like slavery: [you fucking idiot]), anti Constitution, pro massive gubment Fascists. That's why yer past POTUS heroes are FDR n' Woodrow Wilson. (I guess yer too fucking stupid to figure that out). burp...

I'm fairly sure you lack comprehension skills to understand what I'm saying here, as this reply is for the benefit of my fellow forum members who have some cognitive skills.

I have no idea if you have always been this stupid, or if Trump derangement syndrome has lead to yer obvious mental issues.

I'm sure you will stick to yer Marxist/Fascist ways, so as I said in the last post: carry on... pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff ft... breathe deep...

Frank Apisa
09-19-2021, 09:14 AM
Well well: original extra stupid puke, ^^^ all upside down semantics.

The founders of the great republic were "classical Liberals" who codified limited gubment n' personal Liberty. I as a modern American Conservative am also a limited gubment personal Liberty "classical Liberal" like the founders of this Republic. I'm not a Republican, n' I lean Libertarian.

Modern "Liberal/Progressives" are big gubment Fascists who whole heartedly embrace Marxism and love Central Control and despise personal Liberty.

Since Abe Lincoln the Republican party, (which is a large and very diverse tent), has been dominated by limited gubment personal Liberty folks in words (n' sometimes actions). The party has from time to time been dominated by Progressive positions (Teddy Roosevelt n' such), butt: usually the party has stuck to the guidance codified in our Constitution.

Since Andy Jackson's time, (good "Ol' Hickory"), the dim wit Democrat party has been dominated by anti-personal Liberty, (like slavery: [you fucking idiot]), anti Constitution, pro massive gubment Fascists. That's why yer past POTUS heroes are FDR n' Woodrow Wilson. (I guess yer too fucking stupid to figure that out). burp...

I'm fairly sure you lack comprehension skills to understand what I'm saying here, as this reply is for the benefit of my fellow forum members who have some cognitive skills.

I have no idea if you have always been this stupid, or if Trump derangement syndrome has lead to yer obvious mental issues.

I'm sure you will stick to yer Marxist/Fascist ways, so as I said in the last post: carry on... pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff ft... breathe deep...

I am smart enough to have had my thought published in an op ed sized piece in The New York Times; a full-page MY TURN in Newsweek Magazine; and essays on the op ed pages of a half dozen major US newspaper.

Your copy looks as though it were written by a not especially intelligent or clever high schooler.

Libertarians are worse than American conservatives...people who have a political philosophy that ultimately leads to chaos and anarchy.

You are not a libertarian, you are just an American conservative lucky enough to realize how disgusting that is...so you pretend to be something else. You just are not bright enough to choose "something else" better than American conservatism.

As I said earlier, American conservatism has always been on the wrong side of history...and right now is so far on the wrong side, it manages to out-sludge Nazism in 1930's Germany.

Anyway, this is fun. Let's keep at it. I gotta make a pizza in a bit...and I am gonna watch a few of NFL games, but I have plenty of time to help you make a fool of yourself here in the forum.

I'm here for you.

OldMercsRule
09-19-2021, 10:53 AM
I am smart enough to have had my thought published in an op ed sized piece in The New York Times; a full-page MY TURN in Newsweek Magazine; and essays on the op ed pages of a half dozen major US newspaper.

OOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW, wow yer such a smart feller... I'm sooooooooo impressed that the Marxist media let you expose yer foolish tripe. burp... (the green indicates sarcasm in case ya didn't know).



Your copy looks as though it were written by a not especially intelligent or clever high schooler.

Libertarians are worse than American conservatives...people who have a political philosophy that ultimately leads to chaos and anarchy.

You are not a libertarian, you are just an American conservative lucky enough to realize how disgusting that is...so you pretend to be something else. You just are not bright enough to choose "something else" better than American conservatism.

As I said earlier, American conservatism has always been on the wrong side of history...and right now is so far on the wrong side, it manages to out-sludge Nazism in 1930's Germany.

I said "I lean Libertarian". Try to comprehend what you read.

I am a modern American conservative, ("classical Liberal"), who supports the limitations on nanny gubment codified in the US constitution.

Yer observations are totally upside down, (as a Marxist/Fascist), I'm not surprised. burp...


"By the way...Trump is a pile of shit...as are his continuing supporters. Traitors to our Republic."

So ya think I should be executed, (along with the nearly 80 million Americans who voted for Trump). Real nice.



Anyway, this is fun. Let's keep at it. I gotta make a pizza in a bit...and I am gonna watch a few of NFL games, but I have plenty of time to help you make a fool of yourself here in the forum.

I'm here for you.

Yer not here fer me, you are just a fool who wants to execute a huge chunk of American citizens, and is clueless about American history... carry on now... burp...

Frank Apisa
09-19-2021, 02:54 PM
OOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW, wow yer such a smart feller... I'm sooooooooo impressed that the Marxist media let you expose yer foolish tripe. burp... (the green indicates sarcasm in case ya didn't know).




I said "I lean Libertarian". Try to comprehend what you read.

I am a modern American conservative, ("classical Liberal"), who supports the limitations on nanny gubment codified in the US constitution.

Yer observations are totally upside down, (as a Marxist/Fascist), I'm not surprised. burp...


"By the way...Trump is a pile of shit...as are his continuing supporters. Traitors to our Republic."

So ya think I should be executed, (along with the nearly 80 million Americans who voted for Trump). Real nice.




Yer not here fer me, you are just a fool who wants to execute a huge chunk of American citizens, and is clueless about American history... carry on now... burp...

You are an obnoxious fucking moron.

Apparently you think you are insightful.

You are not.

And my guess is I know more about American history than you...by far.

Also...and this is just an aside...Trump was the worst president America has ever had, and we should all be hoping he is the worst we ever have. He is a heap of horseshit...and so are his continuing supporters.

You may go back to your rock. I'm going back to the NFL games.

SmarterthanYou
09-19-2021, 02:55 PM
Lincoln was a GREAT president...and deserves all the accolades he gets.
why was he the best???? be specific

SmarterthanYou
09-19-2021, 02:57 PM
and I consider Trump surpassing Dubya as the very worst

to be possibly the most disgraceful artifact of US history since slavery.

you don't get out much, do you?

Frank Apisa
09-19-2021, 02:58 PM
why was he the best???? be specific

I said he was a GREAT president...I did not say he was the best.

Right?

Oh, wait...maybe you are unable to read.

Forget the question. Treat the first sentence of my reply as an explanation. Have someone explain to you the significance.

That specific enough for you?

SmarterthanYou
09-19-2021, 02:58 PM
Worst Presidents for me are the ones that targeted small businesses for destruction- Carter absolute worst, then FDR, Obama make up the top 3.

congratulations on providing proof that democrats are not the stupidest fucks on the planet

SmarterthanYou
09-19-2021, 03:02 PM
I said he was a GREAT president...I did not say he was the best.

Right?

Oh, wait...maybe you are unable to read.

Forget the question. Treat the first sentence of my reply as an explanation. Have someone explain to you the significance.

That specific enough for you?

ok, i'll be more specific........why was Lincoln a GREAT president??????

OldMercsRule
09-19-2021, 03:21 PM
You are an obnoxious fucking moron.

Apparently you think you are insightful.

You are not.

Is that the conclusion you come to when you gaze at the image you see in the mirror? burp...



And my guess is I know more about American history than you...by far.

How could you possibly know that? Do you consider yerself an ace mind reader? burp...



Also...and this is just an aside...Trump was the worst president America has ever had, and we should all be hoping he is the worst we ever have. He is a heap of horseshit...and so are his continuing supporters.

I'm aware of yer uninformed opinion, most people have opinions, that doesn't make those opinions fact. burp...



You may go back to your rock. I'm going back to the NFL games.

Yer real full of yersef aren't ya? You may think you can command others on an internet forum, butt: ya can't order me around.

BTW, did the NYT n' Newsweek carry yer uninformed opinion that nearly 80 million Trump voters committed treason n' should be executed?

I'm sure humbled by how smart you are... pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft... breathe deep...

OldMercsRule
09-19-2021, 03:32 PM
why was he the best???? be specific

I dunno if that extra stupid arrogant puke will answer, butt: I also think Abe was the best, (George was very clearly the most important), as George was the most formidable General the British Empire ever faced, (in their opinion).

Abe saved the Union that George gave us, and that was no easy feat, as Robert E Lee ate the Union's lunch for most of the war with inferior numbers n' inferior equipment/supplies. He had to suspend basic Constitutional rights (habeas corpus et al), and fire incompetent Generals. No other POTUS is even close, (except good ol' George).

My overpriced $0.02.

SmarterthanYou
09-19-2021, 03:37 PM
I dunno if that extra stupid arrogant puke will answer, butt: I also think Abe was the best, (George was very clearly the most important), as George was the most formidable General the British Empire ever faced, (in their opinion).

Abe saved the Union that George gave us, and that was no easy feat, as Robert E Lee ate the Union's lunch for most of the war with inferior numbers n' inferior equipment/supplies. He had to suspend basic Constitutional rights (habeas corpus et al), and fire incompetent Generals. No other POTUS is even close, (except good ol' George).

My overpriced $0.02.

what constitutional authority, PRIOR TO the civil war, did Lincoln have for waging a war to 'save' the union?????

OldMercsRule
09-19-2021, 03:55 PM
what constitutional authority, PRIOR TO the civil war, did Lincoln have for waging a war to 'save' the union?????

He didn't: the states, (at least the original 13), had the perfect right of succession.

Great Leaders do what they have to do, n' let history be the judge.

Most Historians think Abe n' George were the top of their select class.

In addition to keeping the Union together, (admittedly unconstitutional), he wiped the worst part of the Constitution off the books: Slavery.

This conflict was built into the foundation of our Republic, (as a compromise), and was always gonna be a real problem.

The Constitution specifically uses the terms "the right to pursue happiness" instead of own property due to the input of slave holders, which is direct conflict with the Declaration of Independence.

Had Buchannan not been such a fail which led to war, Abe may have been just a great POTUS, clearly that crisis make him #1 in my book.

SmarterthanYou
09-19-2021, 03:59 PM
He didn't: the states, (at least the original 13), had the perfect right of succession.

Great Leaders do what they have to do, n' let history be the judge.

Most Historians think Abe n' George were the top of their select class.

In addition to keeping the Union together, (admittedly unconstitutional), he wiped the worst part of the Constitution off the books: Slavery.

This conflict was built into the foundation of our Republic, (as a compromise), and was always gonna be a real problem.

The Constitution specifically uses the terms "the right to pursue happiness" instead of own property due to the input of slave holders, which is direct conflict with the Declaration of Independence.

Had Buchannan not been such a fail which led to war, Abe may have been just a great POTUS, clearly that crisis make him #1 in my book.

all kinds of fail..........the south was destined to lose to slavery..........eventually people were going to recognized that even blacks were people and not property........the issue is that they didn't want to wait......they felt that pressuring a portion of the population to capitulate to their desires was all that was needed and hundreds of thousands died.........maybe that what they intend to do with vax mandates

Trumpet
09-19-2021, 04:00 PM
Lists of best presidents, or worst presidents, show up from time to time. Abraham Lincoln and Woodrow Wilson usually make it into the top five of every Democrat’s best president list. Conversely, they always make it to number one and number two on my list of worst president.

Should the ‘experts’ ever get around to compiling a list of the most overrated presidents —— Lincoln and Wilson will be the only contestants. That is saying a lot when you toss out FDR, LBJ, JFK, Carter, Clinton, Obama, and Biden.

I do not know what Tom DiLorenzo thinks about Wilson, but he gets a double-attaboy for nailing “Honest Abe”:


Today, The Two Mikes welcomed back Dr. Tom DiLorenzo for a discussion on Abraham Lincoln and to mark the anniversary of the battle of Antietam on September 17th.

Dr. DiLorenzo has written three excellent, highly provocative, and deeply researched books about Abraham Lincoln, and they have influenced and begun to change the understanding of Lincoln among the public and in the academy.

Dr. DiLorenzo explained that Lincoln was a lawyer for corporate interests and was the chief counsel for the Illinois Central railway, a career that produced a man who favored protectionism, governmental spending to assist railroad and other industries, and a view of the central government properly operating beyond its constitutional powers and reach.


Lincoln is the last person anybody should invoke trying to justify the Civil War with the slavery argument. Everything Lincoln did and said set this country on the road to federal government control.

Instead of civil war, Lincoln could have, and should have, worked within the Constitution if he felt so strongly about preserving the Union. Naturally, the Civil War would have been unnecessary had the South surrendered their Rights instead of defending them.


Thus, the war that came can be seen not only as a Civil War but as a war to protect Northern economic interests.


The fact is that Lincoln saw the Constitution impeding his will.



Americans celebrate Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, but H.L. Mencken correctly evaluated the speech, "It is poetry not logic; beauty, not sense." Lincoln said that the soldiers sacrificed their lives "to the cause of self-determination -- government of the people, by the people, for the people should not perish from the earth."

Mencken says: "It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of people to govern themselves."


https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?109621-The-Evolution-Of-The-Party-Of-Liars&p=2797672#post2797672


(https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?109621-The-Evolution-Of-The-Party-Of-Liars&p=2797672#post2797672)
As important, Dr. DiLorenzo points out that there is nothing in the founding documents that prevents secession, and that Lincoln was fully empowered to let the southern states go and form another republic in North America, and save 850,000 lives in the process.

This analysis clearly is relevant to the thinking of Americans today.

It also is worth mentioning that this was the position of Jefferson, Madison, and several other of the founders.

Dr. DiLorenzo does not immediately convince all of his listeners, but his work demands respect and consideration and, as for myself, his work has caused me to begin to rethink much of what I had long believed about Lincoln.




Tom DiLorenzo: Abraham Lincoln was a Big Government Politician
by Two Mikes
September 16, 2021

https://freedomfirstnetwork.com/2021/09/tom-dilorenzo-abraham-lincoln-was-a-big-government-politician


Trump is absolutely the worst president that we've ever had; being the nutjob that he is.

OldMercsRule
09-19-2021, 05:16 PM
all kinds of fail..........the south was destined to lose to slavery..........eventually people were going to recognized that even blacks were people and not property........the issue is that they didn't want to wait......they felt that pressuring a portion of the population to capitulate to their desires was all that was needed and hundreds of thousands died.........maybe that what they intend to do with vax mandates

That is yer opinion, I don't think the South would have given up Slavery so easily, (n' they clearly didn't), butt: you may have a point re: "vaccines".

OldMercsRule
09-19-2021, 05:17 PM
Trump is absolutely the worst president that we've ever had; being the nutjob that he is.

I guess Trump derangement syndrome is one of the reasons yer so fucking stupid.

Trumpet
09-19-2021, 05:20 PM
I guess Trump derangement syndrome is one of the reasons yer so fucking stupid.

What a stupid comment, but considering where it came from, it's not surprising.

RB 60
09-19-2021, 05:34 PM
Are you supposing I "hate" Trump?

I do not. If he were in danger and I could help, I would do it in a second...as I would for any other human...or any other animal, for that matter.

He is a pig...and unfortunately, he was president of the United States. I comment on his gross ineptitude because of the great damage he has done to our Republic...and I comment on his continuing supporters for their contribution to the great damage Trump has done to our Republic.

All business, nothing personal.

If you think you are toying with me...and get a laugh out of that...GREAT. Laughter is what makes life worth living in my estimation. You have no idea of how much I laugh while composing the responses I post here. I would never deny you your fun.

https://c.tenor.com/5vKnZA8IzwIAAAAM/ray-liotta-laughing.gif

Yes Frank, you hate Trump or you wouldn't keep running him down. He lost. Get over it!

Gondwanaland
09-19-2021, 07:28 PM
FDR is by far the most overrated president. And in reality one of the worst presidents. Wilson was a terrible one too.

Worst top 3: .... Jackson, FDR, Wilson.... and then both Johnsons are definitely honorable mentions if not ties for top three.

Gondwanaland
09-19-2021, 07:32 PM
I lean toward FDR as the best, myself,
The guy who put people (Japanese and others) in internment camps? WHo tried to subvert democracy and pack the courts? THe one who nationalized and confiscated gold from citizens under threat of gun and cage? Yikes.



and I consider Trump surpassing Dubya as the very worst

to be possibly the most disgraceful artifact of US history since slavery.


Trump wasn't very great, but doesn't remotely come close to worse than Dubya. He didn't preside over the starting of a massive terrorist attack that he ignored intel on, two pointless, deadly, decades-long destructive wars, the creation an entire extrajudicial prison in another country where we STILL are holding people illegally without trial, the creation of the useless security theater known as the TSA, the retooling of intelligence agencies to spy on American citizens complete with signing new legislation designed for exactly that among other freedom-stripping purposes, literal torture campaigns, more secret prisons in the middle east in which people were beaten, humiliated, tortured, and who knows what the heck else, tens of thousands of innocent brown civilians murdered. Trump was pretty crappy, but he was no Dubya. Not even close.

Gondwanaland
09-19-2021, 07:36 PM
That is yer opinion, I don't think the South would have given up Slavery so easily, (n' they clearly didn't), butt: you may have a point re: "vaccines".

They were already well on the way to it.

Gondwanaland
09-19-2021, 07:38 PM
Trump is absolutely the worst president that we've ever had; being the nutjob that he is.

Trump was not a great president. But he was nowhere on par with doing anything as terrible as Andrew Genocide Jackson, Franlin Let's Round Up The Japs In Concentration Camps Roosevelt, Woodrow KKK Wilson, or George Torture And Domestic Spying Bush.

OldMercsRule
09-19-2021, 08:38 PM
They were already well on the way to it.

It sure didn't appear that way from my reading of history. Do you have some evidence to support this allegation or is this just your opinion?

Frank Apisa
09-20-2021, 02:43 AM
ok, i'll be more specific........why was Lincoln a GREAT president??????

Try being even more specific. Surely you mean, "WHY DO YOU CONSIDER LINCOLN TO BE A GREAT PRESIDENT?"

Am I correct?

Frank Apisa
09-20-2021, 02:47 AM
Is that the conclusion you come to when you gaze at the image you see in the mirror? burp...




How could you possibly know that? Do you consider yerself an ace mind reader? burp...




I'm aware of yer uninformed opinion, most people have opinions, that doesn't make those opinions fact. burp...




Yer real full of yersef aren't ya? You may think you can command others on an internet forum, butt: ya can't order me around.

BTW, did the NYT n' Newsweek carry yer uninformed opinion that nearly 80 million Trump voters committed treason n' should be executed?

I'm sure humbled by how smart you are... pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft... breathe deep...

My guess is that you are as much a slob in real life as you are in your cyber persona.

Too bad that.

Frank Apisa
09-20-2021, 02:51 AM
Yes Frank, you hate Trump or you wouldn't keep running him down. He lost. Get over it!

I hate no one...not even Trump.

Yes, anyone with a functioning brain would "run down" Trump, because, through the morons who continue to support him, he continues to be an existential threat to our Republic.

He did lose...big time.

Get over your disappointment.

Hawkeye10
09-20-2021, 02:56 AM
I hate no one...not even Trump.

Yes, anyone with a functioning brain would "run down" Trump, because, through the morons who continue to support him, he continues to be an existential threat to our Republic.

He did lose...big time.

Get over your disappointment.

This is true.

I have known you for like 15 years.

OldMercsRule
09-20-2021, 05:25 AM
My guess is that you are as much a slob in real life as you are in your cyber persona.

Too bad that.

Hmmmmmmmm...

Yer opinions are upside down.

Yer not the ace mind reader ya think you are, (if ya can't read me simple mind, [only one functional brain cell n' all]), ya surely can't read the minds of people who are actually smart.

Yer guesses aren't any better then yer opinions or yer mindreadin'.

i'll ask again: you claim yer sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo smart that yer upside down opinions were published in multiple papers, (NYT n' Newsweek n' such).

Did you opine that the nearly 80 million American voters who voted fer Trump were guilty of treason n' should be executed????

You do know that Treason is punishable, (the ultimate penalty), don't ya?

Since yer so smart n' all... burp...

RB 60
09-20-2021, 06:06 AM
I hate no one...not even Trump.

Yes, anyone with a functioning brain would "run down" Trump, because, through the morons who continue to support him, he continues to be an existential threat to our Republic.

He did lose...big time.

Get over your disappointment.

Frank! He lost. Get over it. It'll be alright.

Stringfellow Hawk
09-20-2021, 06:52 AM
congratulations on providing proof that democrats are not the stupidest fucks on the planet

Eat shit, burdens to society like yourself is why this country is fading

Frank Apisa
09-20-2021, 10:58 AM
Hmmmmmmmm...

Yer opinions are upside down.

Yer not the ace mind reader ya think you are, (if ya can't read me simple mind, [only one functional brain cell n' all]), ya surely can't read the minds of people who are actually smart.

Yer guesses aren't any better then yer opinions or yer mindreadin'.

i'll ask again: you claim yer sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo smart that yer upside down opinions were published in multiple papers, (NYT n' Newsweek n' such).

Did you opine that the nearly 80 million American voters who voted fer Trump were guilty of treason n' should be executed????

You do know that Treason is punishable, (the ultimate penalty), don't ya?

Since yer so smart n' all... burp...

Yeah, you definitely are a cyber slob...and my guess remains that you are a slob in real life also.

But you are a Trump supporter...and being a slob is almost a must for being a Trump supporter.

Frank Apisa
09-20-2021, 11:00 AM
Frank! He lost. Get over it. It'll be alright.

Yes, Trump lost huge. Yes, it'll be alright.

But anyone who is "over" the danger that Trump and his continuing supporters pose for our Republic is as much a danger to us as they are.

Still a very long way to go before we are through with Trump, RB.

A very long way.

Buckle up if it bothers you.

martin
09-20-2021, 11:58 AM
Instead of civil war, Lincoln could have, and should have, worked within the Constitution if he felt so strongly about preserving the Union.











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Rubbish start to finish. Wilson is lucky to get ranked in the top 20, and Lincoln is not just in the top five - he’s invariably first or second, with Washington. Otherwise, I’ll bother with just the above bone head argument. Lincoln went so far to accommodate the Southern states within The Constitution as to propose a Constitutional amendment that would make slavery permanently lawful in the existing slave states.

Celticguy
09-20-2021, 12:48 PM
Lincoln was worst and most overrated. Washington was best by far.
History will see Trump very favorably.

RB 60
09-20-2021, 01:38 PM
Yes, Trump lost huge. Yes, it'll be alright.

But anyone who is "over" the danger that Trump and his continuing supporters pose for our Republic is as much a danger to us as they are.

Still a very long way to go before we are through with Trump, RB.

A very long way.

Buckle up if it bothers you.

Are you afraid, Frank? Is the boogie man gonna get you?

Buckle up for what Frank? You gonna roust us rural hillbillies?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c7/28/f7/c728f75a88dc17d3f2b431ccbb71e213.gif


It'll be alright...

Frank Apisa
09-20-2021, 02:30 PM
Are you afraid, Frank?

Not especially.



Is the boogie man gonna get you?

Good grief. Boogie man???

C'mon.


Buckle up for what Frank? You gonna roust us rural hillbillies?

Not a chance.

But, if you get your knickers in a knot because some of us are not through with Trump...you've got some tough times coming up.




It'll be alright...

I'm sure you will be.

But I'm hoping Trump spends lots of time in prison...along with people who aided his attempted coup.

OldMercsRule
09-20-2021, 02:35 PM
Yeah, you definitely are a cyber slob...and my guess remains that you are a slob in real life also.

But you are a Trump supporter...and being a slob is almost a must for being a Trump supporter.

Nope I'm not a slob, butt: think what you wish... carry on...

RB 60
09-20-2021, 11:42 PM
Not especially.




Good grief. Boogie man???

C'mon.



Not a chance.

But, if you get your knickers in a knot because some of us are not through with Trump...you've got some tough times coming up.



I'm sure you will be.

But I'm hoping Trump spends lots of time in prison...along with people who aided his attempted coup.

Trump sure has your panties in a wad!

Frank Apisa
09-21-2021, 02:44 AM
Nope I'm not a slob, butt: think what you wish... carry on...

You most assuredly are a slob...a major league slob. As I said, though, "You are a Trump supporter...and being a slob is almost a must for being a Trump supporter."

I guess I should have added, "Not only is being a slob almost a must for being a Trump supporter, but not recognizing that you are a slob...and denying you are a slob if you accidentally do recognize that you are...is also a must.

Back to your rock, Slob.

Frank Apisa
09-21-2021, 02:47 AM
Trump sure has your panties in a wad!

Trump doesn't.

But the danger he and his supporters pose to the Republic...cause me lots of concern. If you cared about your country...that stuff would bother you, too. If you were a patriot rather than a continuing Trump supporter, it would bother you.

RB 60
09-21-2021, 03:05 AM
Trump doesn't.

But the danger he and his supporters pose to the Republic...cause me lots of concern. If you cared about your country...that stuff would bother you, too. If you were a patriot rather than a continuing Trump supporter, it would bother you.

How many times do I have to tell you Trump lost? It's over, said and done. Period.

You people keep it alive with your whining and crying, you say everyone who voted for him
worships him. Not the case. Danger to the Republic? LOL! If there is a danger to the Republic,
it's all the hateful libturds who want to destroy what's worked for over 200 years.

What scares you, Frank? Someone like me?

Frank Apisa
09-21-2021, 03:48 AM
How many times do I have to tell you Trump lost?

None. He lost and lost big. I have mentioned that several times. You do read what I write, correct?



It's over, said and done. Period.

It is FAR from "over, said and done."

He, the morons who continue to support him, and the pile of horseshit the Republican Party has become still pose a significant existential threat to our Republic.

Anyone not still diligently opposing them is contributing to treason in my opinion.


You people keep it alive with your whining and crying, you say everyone who voted for him
worships him. Not the case. Danger to the Republic? LOL! If there is a danger to the Republic,
it's all the hateful libturds who want to destroy what's worked for over 200 years.

What can I say. You are so wrong...using "wrong" to describe it seems...well, wrong.



What scares you, Frank? Someone like me?

Personally, you do not scare me at all. I figure I could have an enjoyable drink or shoot a game of pool with you. We'd come away with a smile on our faces.

The fact that you are so stone-cold unaware of the danger of the right bothers me. If someone I consider reasonably intelligent doesn't get it, we are in serious trouble. It doesn't scare me as much as just pisses me off.

Gotta live with that. If you think I or any of the others are just going to shut down so that that disgusting clown you continue to support can get back into play...you are mistaken.

OldMercsRule
09-21-2021, 06:20 AM
You most assuredly are a slob...a major league slob. As I said, though, "You are a Trump supporter...and being a slob is almost a must for being a Trump supporter."

I guess I should have added, "Not only is being a slob almost a must for being a Trump supporter, but not recognizing that you are a slob...and denying you are a slob if you accidentally do recognize that you are...is also a must.

Back to your rock, Slob.

Yer entitled to yer own opinion, (which is clearly upside down). Usually when a person reaches the ripe old age of 81 they have managed to pick up a few clues about the world, that clearly hasn't happened with you. You are obviously severely stricken with Trump derangement syndrome, and yer to full of yersef, (arrogant), to self heal. You think nearly 80 million of yer fellow Americans are treasonous, and if you had the power to enforce yer upside down notions you would be in a very select league of mass murderers, (Chairman Mao, Uncle Joe Stalin, and Adolph Hitler).

Look in the mirror: yer just a silly old fart who thinks op-eds in the NYT et al make you something special.

The only thing "special" about you is yer misplaced arrogance, and yer abject stupidity. I've kicked below average rocks that look like Albert Einstein compared to you. Carry on now: dolt. Pfffffffffffffffffft...

RB 60
09-21-2021, 06:40 AM
Yes, I read what you write (although it's basically all the same shit).

Why don't you consider it over? Yep, there's a minuscule amount of
lingering support, and support of his policies. Let someone step up and
mimic (most of) his policies, you'll see that support for Trump dwindle.
Treason? Have you looked at the liberals agenda and policies lately?

I am not wrong.

Then why do you group everyone who voted for Trump as traitors? You say
we are despicable. You must fear something. But yeah, leaving politics out
of it, we'd have a good time, although I quit drinking (I was an entertaining drunk).

Why don't you question the motives on the left? Immigration is a disaster. The
pull-out of our troops and their supporters was a disaster (although our pilots
performed very well). The removal of long-standing monuments, For what? Why?
There is just a small part of the left's agenda I am aware of, and I don't support it.

I live with everything, Frank. The good and the bad. Sometimes "shit happens," but
you go on, or you dwell on it. I go on.
Get "back into play"? So you support shit like changing school and sports team's
names and mascots because someone's fucking offended? Well, I'm fucking offended
they're being changed! But fuck me, right? That's part of what we don't support.
Scream all you want, your "side" will continue to screw up. Hopefully, those screw ups
won't hurt this country too badly that we cannot recover.

Jarod
09-21-2021, 06:44 AM
Lists of best presidents, or worst presidents, show up from time to time. Abraham Lincoln and Woodrow Wilson usually make it into the top five of every Democrat’s best president list. Conversely, they always make it to number one and number two on my list of worst president.

Should the ‘experts’ ever get around to compiling a list of the most overrated presidents —— Lincoln and Wilson will be the only contestants. That is saying a lot when you toss out FDR, LBJ, JFK, Carter, Clinton, Obama, and Biden.

I do not know what Tom DiLorenzo thinks about Wilson, but he gets a double-attaboy for nailing “Honest Abe”:


Today, The Two Mikes welcomed back Dr. Tom DiLorenzo for a discussion on Abraham Lincoln and to mark the anniversary of the battle of Antietam on September 17th.

Dr. DiLorenzo has written three excellent, highly provocative, and deeply researched books about Abraham Lincoln, and they have influenced and begun to change the understanding of Lincoln among the public and in the academy.

Dr. DiLorenzo explained that Lincoln was a lawyer for corporate interests and was the chief counsel for the Illinois Central railway, a career that produced a man who favored protectionism, governmental spending to assist railroad and other industries, and a view of the central government properly operating beyond its constitutional powers and reach.


Lincoln is the last person anybody should invoke trying to justify the Civil War with the slavery argument. Everything Lincoln did and said set this country on the road to federal government control.

Instead of civil war, Lincoln could have, and should have, worked within the Constitution if he felt so strongly about preserving the Union. Naturally, the Civil War would have been unnecessary had the South surrendered their Rights instead of defending them.


Thus, the war that came can be seen not only as a Civil War but as a war to protect Northern economic interests.


The fact is that Lincoln saw the Constitution impeding his will.



Americans celebrate Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, but H.L. Mencken correctly evaluated the speech, "It is poetry not logic; beauty, not sense." Lincoln said that the soldiers sacrificed their lives "to the cause of self-determination -- government of the people, by the people, for the people should not perish from the earth."

Mencken says: "It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of people to govern themselves."


https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?109621-The-Evolution-Of-The-Party-Of-Liars&p=2797672#post2797672


(https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?109621-The-Evolution-Of-The-Party-Of-Liars&p=2797672#post2797672)
As important, Dr. DiLorenzo points out that there is nothing in the founding documents that prevents secession, and that Lincoln was fully empowered to let the southern states go and form another republic in North America, and save 850,000 lives in the process.

This analysis clearly is relevant to the thinking of Americans today.

It also is worth mentioning that this was the position of Jefferson, Madison, and several other of the founders.

Dr. DiLorenzo does not immediately convince all of his listeners, but his work demands respect and consideration and, as for myself, his work has caused me to begin to rethink much of what I had long believed about Lincoln.




Tom DiLorenzo: Abraham Lincoln was a Big Government Politician
by Two Mikes
September 16, 2021

https://freedomfirstnetwork.com/2021/09/tom-dilorenzo-abraham-lincoln-was-a-big-government-politician


Ronald Reqan.

Frank Apisa
09-21-2021, 09:08 AM
Yer entitled to yer own opinion, (which is clearly upside down). Usually when a person reaches the ripe old age of 81 they have managed to pick up a few clues about the world, that clearly hasn't happened with you. You are obviously severely stricken with Trump derangement syndrome, and yer to full of yersef, (arrogant), to self heal. You think nearly 80 million of yer fellow Americans are treasonous, and if you had the power to enforce yer upside down notions you would be in a very select league of mass murderers, (Chairman Mao, Uncle Joe Stalin, and Adolph Hitler).

Look in the mirror: yer just a silly old fart who thinks op-eds in the NYT et al make you something special.

The only thing "special" about you is yer misplaced arrogance, and yer abject stupidity. I've kicked below average rocks that look like Albert Einstein compared to you. Carry on now: dolt. Pfffffffffffffffffft...

You are a slob and a clown.

Allow me to offer you a helpful hint: Lay off the trite, standard Internet insults used by damn near every cowardly Internet "warriors." When a slob and clown like you does it...it makes you look even more the slob you are...and even more a clown. Invent a few zingers of your own...or have one of the other kids help you.

Question, if I may, though: Does your mommy know you are using the computer the way you are?

She must be very disappointed in you...although I suppose the other kids think you are hot shit.

I'm not sure about the "hot" part, but I agree with them about the rest of the assessment.

OldMercsRule
09-21-2021, 09:50 AM
You are a slob and a clown.

Allow me to offer you a helpful hint: Lay off the trite, standard Internet insults used by damn near every cowardly Internet "warriors." When a slob and clown like you does it...it makes you look even more the slob you are...and even more a clown. Invent a few zingers of your own...or have one of the other kids help you.

Question, if I may, though: Does your mommy know you are using the computer the way you are?

She must be very disappointed in you...although I suppose the other kids think you are hot shit.

I'm not sure about the "hot" part, but I agree with them about the rest of the assessment.

Now that's purdy clever ol' coot... Pfffffffffffffffffffffffft... breathe deep... it may help that horrible breath ya have...

Truth Detector
09-21-2021, 09:55 AM
Most overrated Presidents:

Franklin Delano Roosevelt. First he ignored the threat in Europe and the Pacific trying to appease popular opinion. Then he allowed a surprise attack on our Pacific fleet. Lastly he gave us the unconstitutional welfare state.

Obama. He did nothing worthwhile for eight fucking years.

Biden won't be overrated; he will go down as the most failed and senile moron to ever sit in the White House based on a miracle election. ;)

Frank Apisa
09-21-2021, 11:44 AM
Now that's purdy clever ol' coot... Pfffffffffffffffffffffffft... breathe deep... it may help that horrible breath ya have...

If you smell horrible breath...it cannot be mine. We are on the Internet, you asshole. If you smell horrible breath and you are alone...IT IS YOUR HORRIBLE BREATH.

Jesus H. Christ...you are such an amateur at this.

OldMercsRule
09-21-2021, 04:59 PM
If you smell horrible breath...it cannot be mine. We are on the Internet, you asshole. If you smell horrible breath and you are alone...IT IS YOUR HORRIBLE BREATH.

Jesus H. Christ...you are such an amateur at this.

When ya have caustic shit breath, (like you must have), you stink up the internet sooooooo bad that I can smell it all the way out here on the left coast: old coot.

Question: do you stand on yer porch n' yell at kids who might get near yer lawn, (as their parents might have voted fer Trump), after all?

N' I'd recommend "Smart Mouth", which works fer real nasty breath, (might not be strong enough fer yer caustic pie hole), butt: it can't hurt to try. We would all appreciate any effort to stop the stench you create... burp...

Frank Apisa
09-22-2021, 03:11 AM
When ya have caustic shit breath, (like you must have), you stink up the internet sooooooo bad that I can smell it all the way out here on the left coast: old coot.

Question: do you stand on yer porch n' yell at kids who might get near yer lawn, (as their parents might have voted fer Trump), after all?

N' I'd recommend "Smart Mouth", which works fer real nasty breath, (might not be strong enough fer yer caustic pie hole), butt: it can't hurt to try. We would all appreciate any effort to stop the stench you create... burp...

As I said, if you smell a stink...the stink is coming from you. Apparently the "Smart Mouth" y ou think works...doesn't.

You really should stay away from discussions like this. You do not have the talent for it. All you do is to make yourself look more and more the slob and boor.

OldMercsRule
09-22-2021, 03:16 AM
As I said, if you smell a stink...the stink is coming from you. Apparently the "Smart Mouth" y ou think works...doesn't.

You really should stay away from discussions like this. You do not have the talent for it. All you do is to make yourself look more and more the slob and boor.

I love lookin' like a slob n' boor to you: old coot.

My breath is fine, yers isn't. If ya smell 3000 miles away, (and you do), think of the poor people that smell ya when ya buy groceries, or yer poor neighbors... yuk...

Frank Apisa
09-22-2021, 04:20 AM
I love lookin' like a slob n' boor to you: old coot.

My breath is fine, yers isn't. If ya smell 3000 miles away, (and you do), think of the poor people that smell ya when ya buy groceries, or yer poor neighbors... yuk...

You still do not get it. If you smell something disgusting...you are smelling yourself. You are the thing that stinks so much.

You will never sell that "from 3000 miles away" nonsense except to the other kids in the sandbox.

Stop while you are far behind.

Really.

OldMercsRule
09-22-2021, 05:07 AM
You still do not get it. If you smell something disgusting...you are smelling yourself. You are the thing that stinks so much.

You will never sell that "from 3000 miles away" nonsense except to the other kids in the sandbox.

Nope: I know a smelly old coot when I smell one. LOL!!!

It isn't yer diaper, it's yer pie hole. (Very powerful stuff, that caustic pie hole of yers).

I'm not "selling" anything; old coot, I'm tryin' ta help ya.

Not many people have the malodorous breath that you have, and I only smell it when I'm readin' n' respondin' to yer posts.


Stop while you are far behind.

Really.

Yer Trump derangement syndrome is a far bigger problem fer yer well being then yer bad breath: old coot.

Medicare may not cover a shrink, butt: if ya have the resources, I'd get a check up.

Wanting nearly 80 million Americans executed fer treason, (just because you disagree with their vote), is real extreme.



BTW, as far as overrated POTUS(es) go: FDR is by far the most overrated. Marxists like you and yer fellow Marxist academics love his Socialist policies that prolonged the depression and actually made the depression a Great one.

It's one of the reasons dim wit Democrats love crisis to this day, n' "never let a crisis go to waste".

He taught dim wit Democrats/Progressives/Marxists to use the Judicial branch to legislate public policy they couldn't push through Congress, (as the Founders and the Constitution require).

Since 1932 dim wit Democrats have appointed "tyrants in black robes" with their "litmus test" and used the Judicial branch to shove policies down our collective throats, contrary to the intent of the Founders of our Republic.

China Joey gasbag, Chuck U Schumer, n' Nasty Nancy, all wanna pack SCOTUS, (as FDR tried), and because they have the election system rigged they know they can get away with it.

Anyway, try "Smart Mouth" we will all thank you for it...

Frank Apisa
09-22-2021, 08:41 AM
Nope: I know a smelly old coot when I smell one. LOL!!!

It isn't yer diaper, it's yer pie hole. (Very powerful stuff, that caustic pie hole of yers).

I'm not "selling" anything; old coot, I'm tryin' ta help ya.

Not many people have the malodorous breath that you have, and I only smell it when I'm readin' n' respondin' to yer posts.



Yer Trump derangement syndrome is a far bigger problem fer yer well being then yer bad breath: old coot.

Medicare may not cover a shrink, butt: if ya have the resources, I'd get a check up.

Wanting nearly 80 million Americans executed fer treason, (just because you disagree with their vote), is real extreme.



BTW, as far as overrated POTUS(es) go: FDR is by far the most overrated. Marxists like you and yer fellow Marxist academics love his Socialist policies that prolonged the depression and actually made the depression a Great one.

It's one of the reasons dim wit Democrats love crisis to this day, n' "never let a crisis go to waste".

He taught dim wit Democrats/Progressives/Marxists to use the Judicial branch to legislate public policy they couldn't push through Congress, (as the Founders and the Constitution require).

Since 1932 dim wit Democrats have appointed "tyrants in black robes" with their "litmus test" and used the Judicial branch to shove policies down our collective throats, contrary to the intent of the Founders of our Republic.

China Joey gasbag, Chuck U Schumer, n' Nasty Nancy, all wanna pack SCOTUS, (as FDR tried), and because they have the election system rigged they know they can get away with it.

Anyway, try "Smart Mouth" we will all thank you for it...

You acknowledge that when you are alone and typing at your keyboard...there is a stink, a stink you consider to be terrible breath.

Okay...apparently you have Zacherly Disease. Your breath must smell zacherly like your shit.

And you are too stupid to realize that anyone and everyone hearing your complaint about stinky breath while you are ALONE...means YOU are the one who stinks.

Give this one up, Jerkoff. Accept that you fucked up...and take it like a mouse. Any carry your bullshit about the worth of presidents with you back to under the rock where you live.

I love when assholes like you demand the right to continue to fuck up.

OldMercsRule
09-22-2021, 09:19 AM
You acknowledge that when you are alone and typing at your keyboard...there is a stink, a stink you consider to be terrible breath.

Okay...apparently you have Zacherly Disease. Your breath must smell zacherly like your shit.

And you are too stupid to realize that anyone and everyone hearing your complaint about stinky breath while you are ALONE...means YOU are the one who stinks.

Give this one up, Jerkoff. Accept that you fucked up...and take it like a mouse. Any carry your bullshit about the worth of presidents with you back to under the rock where you live.

I love when assholes like you demand the right to continue to fuck up.

Gettin' all worked up: ol' coot? I'm healthy n' smell great. Yer the problem. Try "Smart Mouth", it may help, (yer case is severe). Pffffffffffffft... breathe deep, it may help yer malodorous pie hole...

Frank Apisa
09-22-2021, 10:51 AM
Gettin' all worked up: ol' coot? I'm healthy n' smell great. Yer the problem. Try "Smart Mouth", it may help, (yer case is severe). Pffffffffffffft... breathe deep, it may help yer malodorous pie hole...

Okay, okay.

So far you've met your objectives...and I commend you for doing so.

You wanted everyone to know that your breath stinks as much, if not more, than your shit...

...and you wanted everyone to know that you are a moron.

You've got those two boxes check (several times over)...so move on to the next item.

OldMercsRule
09-22-2021, 11:06 AM
Okay, okay.

So far you've met your objectives...and I commend you for doing so.

You wanted everyone to know that your breath stinks as much, if not more, than your shit...

...and you wanted everyone to know that you are a moron.

You've got those two boxes check (several times over)...so move on to the next item.

What "next item" would that be: you old Marxist coot? Hmmmmmmmm???? burp...

Frank Apisa
09-22-2021, 11:25 AM
What "next item" would that be: you old Marxist coot? Hmmmmmmmm???? burp...

I don't know.

You have established that your breath stinks...

...and you have established that you are a moron.

Not sure why you were so adamant to do that, but, hey, ya gotta acknowledge when someone manages to do what they set out to do.

You are aces at making it clear your breath stinks...and that you are a moron.

No way I can guess what you are going to aim for next.

Maybe you will throw some shit at your family or friends.

Whatever it is, lots of us will be here to enjoy watching the show.

OldMercsRule
09-22-2021, 11:35 AM
I don't know.

You have established that your breath stinks...

...and you have established that you are a moron.

Not sure why you were so adamant to do that, but, hey, ya gotta acknowledge when someone manages to do what they set out to do.

You are aces at making it clear your breath stinks...and that you are a moron.

No way I can guess what you are going to aim for next.

Maybe you will throw some shit at your family or friends.

Whatever it is, lots of us will be here to enjoy watching the show.

Lots of you nasty Marxists enjoy watching the show: eh?

Wash that pie hole with "Smart Mouth": eh, old coot? LOL

Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft... breathe deep, it could help...

Frank Apisa
09-22-2021, 12:04 PM
Lots of you nasty Marxists enjoy watching the show: eh?

Wash that pie hole with "Smart Mouth": eh, old coot? LOL

Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft... breathe deep, it could help...

Poor, poor, Jerkoff.

You cannot figure a way to get out of this hole you've dug with any grace at all.

Yeah, you are a typical American conservative sludge heap.

Good for a laugh, though.


https://c.tenor.com/5vKnZA8IzwIAAAAM/ray-liotta-laughing.gif

OldMercsRule
09-22-2021, 01:52 PM
Poor, poor, Jerkoff.

You cannot figure a way to get out of this hole you've dug with any grace at all.

Yeah, you are a typical American conservative sludge heap.

Good for a laugh, though.


https://c.tenor.com/5vKnZA8IzwIAAAAM/ray-liotta-laughing.gif

Glad you enjoy it, (I try to please).

Frank Apisa
09-22-2021, 02:11 PM
Glad you enjoy it, (I try to please).

You do...and I give you credit for that.

You insist that you have terrible breath...and that it annoys you; you insist that you are a moron; and no matter how much of an ass kicking you get, you keep coming back for more.

You are a hell of a guy...if you are a guy.

OldMercsRule
09-22-2021, 02:33 PM
You do...and I give you credit for that.

You insist that you have terrible breath...and that it annoys you; you insist that you are a moron; and no matter how much of an ass kicking you get, you keep coming back for more.

You are a hell of a guy...if you are a guy.

I'm a male, (straight). An old Hillbilly, (not as old as you), however. Still got all my teeth, ('cept one in the back that isn't necessary).

Frank Apisa
09-22-2021, 03:03 PM
I'm a male, (straight). An old Hillbilly, (not as old as you), however. Still got all my teeth, ('cept one in the back that isn't necessary).

I am a male, straight...and have almost all of my teeth. One missing toward the rear in the lower jaw.

I am definitely old...but I've always looked younger than I am.

Here is a picture of me at age 78 (first pic) and on my 83rd birthday (second pic.)

https://i.postimg.cc/fL3Z7n4Q/100-1132.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/NjgcJrh4/100-3341.jpg

Why not post a picture or two of yourself.

OldMercsRule
09-22-2021, 05:44 PM
I am a male, straight...and have almost all of my teeth. One missing toward the rear in the lower jaw.

I am definitely old...but I've always looked younger than I am.

Here is a picture of me at age 78 (first pic) and on my 83rd birthday (second pic.)

https://i.postimg.cc/fL3Z7n4Q/100-1132.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/NjgcJrh4/100-3341.jpg

Why not post a picture or two of yourself.

You do look young. I'll send you a pic via email of me if you PM me yer personal email, as I don't want to be cancelled fer the stuff I post here. You are brave, as this forum is full of crazy people. How often do you smoke gars?

Frank Apisa
09-23-2021, 03:40 AM
I've cut down on the cigars recently, Merc. I used to smoke one while playing golf each day...and one at night after dinner...usually with a bit of cognac (or in summer, a gin and tonic.) I was wheezing a bit and figured it was time to make an adjustment.

You are not going to be "cancelled" here. They are pretty lenient about what they allow us to post and how we word our thoughts. Keep fighting your fight...I will keep fighting mine. That is why we are all here.

At some point, most of us here in America better get our shit together and work toward a common goal of making America and the world a better place for humans and other life. That thought seems to be little more than a dream right now.

This life of ours is not a dress rehearsal. NOW is all we've got. We have got to make as much of it as possible.

OldMercsRule
09-23-2021, 06:11 AM
I've cut down on the cigars recently, Merc. I used to smoke one while playing golf each day...and one at night after dinner...usually with a bit of cognac (or in summer, a gin and tonic.) I was wheezing a bit and figured it was time to make an adjustment.

You are not going to be "cancelled" here. They are pretty lenient about what they allow us to post and how we word our thoughts. Keep fighting your fight...I will keep fighting mine. That is why we are all here.

At some point, most of us here in America better get our shit together and work toward a common goal of making America and the world a better place for humans and other life. That thought seems to be little more than a dream right now.

This life of ours is not a dress rehearsal. NOW is all we've got. We have got to make as much of it as possible.

I hope we can ALL get it together: Frank. I know I will not get cancelled for what I say here, (I could get banned), as it is largely anonymous, butt: the real world will cancel folks for the comments here if the real world could pin the tail on the donkey and connect with a person's job and such.