Withdrawal Will Not Be Another Defeat Like Vietnam

[Flanders]

Afghanistan: 'We have won the war, America has lost', say Taliban
By Secunder Kermani and Mahfouz Zubaide
BBC News, Balkh district
Published 11 hours ago

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56747158


Make no mistake about it, the war in Afghanistan has always been a United Nations war. A military defeat is their defeat.


United Nations Security Council resolution 1386, adopted unanimously on 20 December 2001, after reaffirming all resolutions on the situation in Afghanistan, particularly resolutions 1378 (2001) and 1383 (2001), the Council authorised the establishment of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) to assist the Afghan Interim Authority in the maintenance of security in Kabul and surrounding areas. It was the final Security Council resolution adopted in 2001.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1386

Democrats will never admit that the United Nations lost the war in Afghanistan. Regardless of how media spins it, or how many Americans died fighting in a United Nations war, the New World Order crowd will never allow the United Nations to take the blame for a military defeat:

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1386)

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The New World Order crowd will even kick their pet monkey, China Joe Biden, under the bus before they tarnish the U.N.’s war record.



Biden's troop withdrawal plan marked by sobering concern: The Note
ByAveri Harper ,Alisa Wiersema, andKendall Karson
April 15, 2021, 6:01 AM

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bidens-troop-withdrawal-plan-marked-sobering-concern-note/story?id=77072223


Failed foreign policy in Afghanistan is one more reason Biden was never right about anything. Remember that then-Senator Joe Biden was a leading advocate for fighting a United Nations war in Afghanistan.

Lest I be misinterpreted, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq all met the preemptive war of self-defense criterion. In short: War policy based on what the United Nations dictates is the problem —— not wars of self-defense. Biden was always too stupid to know the difference. You can bet the family jewels that Xi Jingping knows the difference. That is why they are laughing at a different joke:



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NOTE: President Truman outsmarted Communists in the Korean War when the Soviet Union did not show for the one and only time they missed a Security Council meeting. Also note that the U.N. opposed the war in Vietnam.

Democrats always wanted out of Iraq, but not out of Afghanistan. That is because the Afghanistan coalition is a U.N.-approved military intervention. Leading Democrats screaming about their phoney concerns for American lives lost in Iraq made me sick because I know that they never gave a damn about how many Americans are killed fighting for a U.N. in Afghanistan.

Incidentally, the Taliban hanged Afghanistan’s Communist president in 1996, but I do not think that one good act entitles all Muslims to the Joe McCarthy Anti-Communism Award.

Muslims honed their insurgency skills in Algeria. Since 1962 Muslims believe they will always have occupying troops to attack. Radical Islamists may think they have perfected the ultimate battle strategy against an occupying force. But what if there is no occupation? What do they do then? My point is this: Just level those damn countries, starve them out, use every weapon in our arsenal and be done with it. All of those douche bags combined are not worth the life of one American killed in occupying the country of a sworn enemy for the United Nations.

America used a small percentage of its military might and WEAPONRY in Iraq and Afghanistan. Should it ever come to an all-out war this country fights to win instead of fighting PEACE WITHOUT VICTORY wars like Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq type wars, it would not take long to defeat an enemy country, or countries, so long as the U.S. military is fighting for their country not fighting for the U.N.’s global agenda.

[Flanders]

Make no mistake about it, the war in Afghanistan has always been a United Nations war. A military defeat is their defeat.


United Nations Security Council resolution 1386, adopted unanimously on 20 December 2001, after reaffirming all resolutions on the situation in Afghanistan, particularly resolutions 1378 (2001) and 1383 (2001), the Council authorised the establishment of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) to assist the Afghan Interim Authority in the maintenance of security in Kabul and surrounding areas. It was the final Security Council resolution adopted in 2001.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1386

Read the article and you will see the word “We” 21 times and “NATO” 4 times. You will not find the United Nations mentioned. It makes me wonder why presidential candidate Buchanan defended the Southern border since the U.N. dictates this country’s immigration policies:



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"It is time to end the forever war."

So said President Joe Biden in his announcement that, as of Sept. 11, the 20th anniversary of the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, all U.S. troops will be gone from Afghanistan.

The longest war in our history, which cost 2,400 dead, 20,000 wounded and $2 trillion, is ending -- but only for Americans, not Afghans.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken assured our NATO allies in Brussels that we are all leaving with our mission accomplished:

"Together we went into Afghanistan to deal with those who attacked us and to make sure that Afghanistan would not again become a haven for terrorists who might attack any of us.

"We have achieved the goals we set out to achieve," the secretary said. "Now it's time to bring our forces home."

But while the U.S. military did not lose a major battle, we Americans did not win this war. Our enemies are stronger, and they control more territory today than they have since their overthrow in 2001.

They have reconstituted themselves under fire, control half of the country and can cut roads to the capital of Kabul. And in our mission to build a democratic Afghanistan that could sustain itself long after we depart, we failed.

And we have no guarantee al-Qaida will not reestablish itself in Afghanistan. For the most probable successors to the regime we are leaving behind are the same Taliban we drove from power in 2001.

And while the Taliban did not defeat us, they have bled the Afghan army we helped to create and train, and outlasted the United States and a NATO alliance that emerged victorious from a 40-year cold war with the Soviet Empire.

As we depart Afghanistan before summer's end, the 7,500 NATO troops there will be leaving with us. That this is viewed as no strategic victory may be seen from the reaction of those who most consistently supported the war, conservative Republican senators.

Said Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Biden's announcement:

"Precipitously withdrawing U.S. forces from Afghanistan is a grave mistake. ...Foreign terrorists will not leave the United States alone simply because our politicians have grown tired of taking the fight to them."

Said Lindsey Graham:

"It is insane to withdraw at this time given the conditions that exist on the ground in Afghanistan. ...A full withdrawal from Afghanistan is dumber than dirt and devilishly dangerous...President Biden will have, in essence, canceled an insurance policy against another 9/11."

Said the ranking Republican on armed services, Jim Inhofe:

"No one wants a forever war, but...any withdrawal must be conditions-based. Arbitrary deadlines would likely put our troops in danger, jeopardize all the progress we've made...lead to civil war in Afghanistan -- and create a breeding ground for international terrorists."

But if we failed in Afghanistan, why did we fail?

Our enemies, the Taliban, motivated by a religious faith many would call fanaticism, were more willing to sacrifice, suffer, fight, bleed and die for longer than we or our Afghan allies.

The Taliban are Eric Hoffer's "True Believers."

Also, it is their country, after all, not ours. It is everything to them, not so much to us. They are steeped in the traditional Afghan hostility to foreigners and hatred of those who come to their land to tell them how they should live and rule themselves.

The Taliban captured the flags of anti-colonialism, nationalism and Islamic fundamentalism.
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There is talk that, should the Taliban topple the government, bring down the regime and engage in reprisals and atrocities, American troops might surge back in.

My sense is no. When we go this time, we're gone for good. Like the Brits in the 19th century and Russians in the 20th, when we go, we will not return.

Yet, Afghanistan is only one of the "forever wars" into which our interventionists plunged us that have proven so ruinous to the republic.

The greatest blunder came in 2003, when George W. Bush was persuaded by the neoconservatives to invade Iraq and covert that country into America's model democracy for the Middle East.

Our 18-year struggle in Iraq following the invasion of 2003 has proven even most costly in lives and treasure than the war in Afghanistan.

After Iraq came the intervention in Syria's civil war to back rebels seeking to oust President Bashar Assad. After that came the U.S.-NATO intervention in the Libyan civil war and America's intervention on the side of Saudi Arabia in Yemen's civil war.

For a generation now, we have been stomping barefoot on anthills and throwing rocks into bees' nests across the Middle and Near East.

And to what avail?

The nation-builders, the democratists, the liberal interventionists, the New World Order crowd are, today, being repudiated by Biden's decision to write off their 20-year project in the Hindu Kush.

One wonders: Will they soon start calling Biden an isolationist?




Biden Bids Farewell to a 'Forever War'
Pat Buchanan
Posted: Apr 16, 2021 12:01 AM

https://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2021/04/16/biden-bids-farewell-to-a-forever-war-n2588020

[Hawkeye10]

Inconsiderately Long.

[Hoosier Daddy]

you can never win a war you should never have been in. dumbass.

[Flanders]

you can never win a war you should never have been in. dumbass.

To Hoosier Daddy: Not surprising come from a Democrat who decide which wars this country win —— or lose as in Vietnam.

Incidentally dumbass, the U.N.’s Korean War is technically the longest war because it never ended thanks to President Wilson’s PEACE WITHOUT VICTORY war policy.

And lets not forget the degenerate’s war:


Note that President Clinton dared not use United Nations “peacekeepers” to kill Christians for Muslims in his Balkan Adventure; so he used NATO to sneak the U.N. in thru the backdoor. “U.N. Peacekeepers” are now entrenched in the Balkans.

Incidentally, millions of Muslims poured into Europe after the Balkan War ended.




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President Clinton’s use of NATO in his Balkan Adventure is a train wreck waiting to happen. More so because it originated with then-Senator Joe Biden.

During the 2008 presidential campaign, Biden said that he was the catalyst that changed the conditions in the Balkans fronted by President Clinton. True, or untrue, Biden claimed he was the guy who told Bill Clinton what to do in Bosnia. If true, he told Clinton to use NATO forces to bomb Christians.

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?113633-A-Sneak-And-A-Scum-Bag-Agree&p=2903288#post2903288

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

all recent wars are just oligarchs externalizing customer acquisition and resource costs onto the american taxpayer. and murdering them too.

[]2epo]v[an]

How i want the afghan withdrawl to go. Firstly, drag all our pederast junky afghan allies out into the street for execution. After the execution, demand the taliban says "thankyou" or we leave and nuke it to glass after giving them all 3 days to evacuate and be refugees in Syria.

[Eagle_Eye]

The US will never win a gorilla type war. Our military is designed to destroy standing armies and its war making capabilities. Vietnam, and Afghanistan are such wars.

[]2epo]v[an]

The only thing stopping a total victory is our heroin habit. We cant have a victory because our enemies and our heroin farmers are the same people. It's better to just do as i say go through and kill all our afghan allies that fail a drug test for heroin. The Taliban learned its lesson about trying to honey trap people more powerful than them. They'll radicalize on extermination of pederast slime that we both want dead or we can kill said pederast slime first and demand thanks for it. If that still comes up short, we cant leave a place like afghanistan alive.

[Flanders]

Make no mistake about it, the war in Afghanistan has always been a United Nations war. A military defeat is their defeat.

Great article, but I am sticking with “. . . a United Nations war.”


Commentary

As if there were any doubts about the animosity directed by the Left against the United States of America, President Joe Biden’s announcement that all American troops will be withdrawn from George W. Bush’s ill-conceived and thoroughly wasteful war in Afghanistan by Sept. 11, 2021 finally ought to dispel them.

Think they picked that date out of a hat? Think again.

Thanks to Biden’s absurdly long position at the D.C. trough (he was first elected to the Senate in 1972), this president will now have the distinction of being in Washington for two of America’s greatest defeats: the hasty and panicked retreat from Vietnam in 1975 (from which war Biden received no less than five draft deferments and never served a day in uniform) and the war in Afghanistan that should have been over a month or so after it started, and not twenty years later.

That Biden has finally done the right thing is almost accidental. Lunch Pail Joe, the “fighter” for the little guy, has in reality never been in a fight he actually wanted to win, beginning in 1973, when the U.S. pulled its forces from South Vietnam in the wake of the “peace with honor” Paris Peace Accords signed by Richard Nixon and welcomed at the time by the communists of North Vietnam as a sign of their inevitable victory. Since then, the opportunistic but fundamentally characterless Biden has simply drifted with his party, ever leftward.

War on the Constitution

Indeed, the only war for which he’s shown any enthusiasm is the one he’s currently fronting: the battle against the constitutionally ordained government of the U.S.A, and its replacement with a cultural-Marxist junta of wokesters determined to overturn both the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

From the Vietnam era to the present, “liberals” have been pleased to use the protections of our founding documents—freedom of speech, assembly, faith, a bar on unreasonable search and seizure, the right against self-incrimination—only as long as they were useful.

Now, with victory heaving into view beyond the barbed-wire fences of official Washington, marred only by the cloud of the midterm elections of 2022, those basic rights can be as easily dispended with as the Paris Peace Accords: a means to an end. And when your movement’s motto is “by any means necessary,” well, you can figure out what comes next.

In fact, former President Trump had already announced a May 1 target deadline for withdrawal from the Hindu Kush, part of his campaign to end the Forever Wars bequeathed to him by a bipartisan, decades-old coalition of his predecessors, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama.

But Biden and his handlers, it seems, just couldn’t resist the symbolic importance of the 20th anniversary of 9/11: as a monument not only to American lack of will to win a battle against superstitious goatherds but also as a celebration of what is viewed in the Islamic world as a triumph for the Taliban (our ostensible enemy) against the Great Satan.

The importance of dates and anniversaries looms large in Islam. Sept. 11, for example, marked the day of the Muslim assault on the gates of Vienna in 1683, a decisive battle that broke the Turkish incursion into central Europe and began the long rollback of Islamic conquest in eastern Europe.

The collapse of the World Trade Center and the damaging of the Pentagon was payback for that defeat, which still aggrieves many Muslims, and the opening of a new front in a clash of civilizations that extends back to the 7th century, A.D., and includes the Christian reconquest of the Holy Land in 1099 during the First Crusade, the fall of Constantinople to the Turks in 1453, and the sieges of Malta and Szigetvar in 1565-66.

Propaganda Victory

What Biden means to do, therefore, is to announce to the Muslim ummah that 9/11 was a great and glorious victory for Islam, and in acknowledgement the “Franks” (radical Muslims still employ the terminology of the Crusades) will formally admit defeat exactly 20 years later and march away with their tails between their legs.

It’s a stunning propaganda victory for the inheritors of Osama bin Laden’s war on the West and a craven and humiliating defeat for the meals-on-wheels, three-cups-of-tea American military, which now hasn’t won a war since 1945, and which is in no position to stop either the Chinese or the Russians on a field of fight.

That’s not because Americans can’t fight. Two hundred and forty-five years ago, on April 19, 1776 the militias at Lexington and Concord, Mass., took up arms in defense of the colonies’ right to self-determination, shedding the first blood of what became the Revolutionary War.

The proximate cause was a British attempt to confiscate American arms and military supplies (if you think the second amendment was written to protect hunters, think again). The end result was a free and independent nation that later fought a bloody civil war over slavery and secession; intervened in the Great War to deliver victory to Britain and France; and defeated Imperial Japan less than four years after the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor.

Americans can fight, all right; it’s just that we won’t. Korea, which was nominally fought under UN auspices, ended in stalemate but at least our troops came home with honor. Vietnam, a brainchild of two Democrat presidents, was fought to keep fighting, never to win. And it was during this conflict that Baby Boomers began to come of age, opposing the draft (sensibly, as it turned out, since neither Johnson nor Nixon had a plan for victory), and turning hard Left under the tutelage of Communist philosopher Herbert Marcuse and other members of the Frankfurt School, who had recently been rescued from Hitler and transplanted to Columbia and other major American universities.

Those same Boomers rioted in the streets of Chicago in 1968 against LBJ’s vice president, Hubert Humphrey, grabbed the 1972 nomination for peacenik George McGovern, engineered Nixon’s ouster less than two years after one of the greatest electoral landslides in history, and have been in the driver’s seat, both culturally and politically, ever since.

Since JFK dragged the country into the Big Muddy of Vietnam, no American president except for Ronald Reagan knew how to articulate the only meaningful objective of war: “We win, they lose.” The GOP nominee in 2024 would be wise to keep that in mind—no matter who the enemy is, foreign or domestic.




Withdrawal From Afghanistan Timed to Humiliate US
Michael Walsh
April 19, 2021 Updated: April 20, 2021

https://www.theepochtimes.com/withdrawal-from-afghanistan-timed-to-humiliate-us_3783085.html?utm_source=partner

[Underdog]

We "won" the war almost a decade ago and should have gotten out then.

[]2epo]v[an]

We "won" the war almost a decade ago and should have gotten out then.

But there's so many democrats that want their own bacha bazi dope farming slave. How can you expect democrats to do it themselves?

[Flanders]

We "won" the war almost a decade ago and should have gotten out then.

To Big Money Dolla: The U.S. went there for the wrong reason:



Failed foreign policy in Afghanistan is one more reason Biden was never right about anything. Remember that then-Senator Joe Biden was a leading advocate for fighting a United Nations war in Afghanistan.

Lest I be misinterpreted, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq all met the preemptive war of self-defense criterion. In short: War policy based on what the United Nations dictates is the problem —— not wars of self-defense. Biden was always too stupid to know the difference.

[Underdog]

To Big Money Dolla: The U.S. went there for the wrong reason:




I agree, we should have dropped freedom on the taliban relentlessly and left the country in further ruins than it already is then left.

[Flanders]

I agree, we should have dropped freedom on the taliban relentlessly and left the country in further ruins than it already is then left.

To Big Money Dolla: First take a closer look at Biden and Stalin.

In 1945 President Truman casually mentioned the atomic bomb to Stalin. At the time, Stalin was clueless about the success of the Manhattan Project. Biden would have told Stalin everything he did not know.

In September of 1949 Soviets detonated their first atomic bomb. Considering the state of the Soviet Union at the end of WW II it is highly unlikely the German scientists the Soviets spirited out of Germany could have gotten the bomb so quickly without the help they got from American traitors. Even the help provided by captured German scientists would not account for such a rapid success in a war-torn country.

When America was the only country with the atom bomb it was, in effect, the lone super power until American traitors handed so much material to the Soviet Union allowing the Soviets to build a bomb decades before they could have done it on their own. After WWII ended, the Soviets occupied Afghanistan. It was Truman who told Stalin to hit the road in 48 hours —— or else. Stalin got the nuclear message and departed from Afghanistan real quick. If Biden was president he would have told Stalin to stay as long as he liked.

Now Put China Joe Biden in perspective.



[Editor's note: CNSNews.com first published this piece in 2011, when President Barack Obama ordered the U.S. military to intervene in Libya's civil war without seeking or gaining authorization from the U.S. Congress.]






(CNSNews.com) -After studying the constitutional language governing the use of military force and the debates that the Framers had on the issue, Joe Biden determined that the Founding Fathers had vested the power to authorize even the limited use of military force in the Congress not the president---unless it was necessary for the president to act swiftly to repel an attack on the United States or to rescue U.S. citizens.

Biden derided the opposite position—that the president could use military force without congressional authorization—as a “monarchist” view of presidential power.

That was in 1998, however, when Biden was in the Senate.

Today, Biden serves as vice president to a commander in chief who has just committed the U.S. military to an action in Libya that was authorized by the U.N. Security Council but was never even so much as debated in the U.S. Congress let alone put to a vote.

Nor has the president argued that the aim of the military action in Libya is to repel an imminent attack on the United States or rescue U.S. citizens.

“The rationale for vesting the power to launch war in Congress was simple,” Biden said in a Senate speech delivered on July 30, 1998. “The Framers' views were dominated by their experience with the British King, who had unfettered power to start wars. Such powers the Framers were determined to deny the President.”

Article 1, Section 8, Clause 11 of the Constitution says: “The Congress shall have power … To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water.”

After summarizing this language, the debate over it at the Constitutional Convention and the treatment of it by Presidents George Washington and John Adams and the early Supreme Court, Biden determined it was impossible to conclude anything other than that the president could not use force without prior congressional authorization unless it was necessary to “repel a sudden attack.”

Indeed, this was exactly the language used at the Constitutional Convention by James Madison and Elbridge Gerry when they offered a successful amendment to the draft Constitution—which, as originally written, would have granted Congress alone the power to “make war.”

“Mr. [James] Madison and Mr [Elbridge] Gerry moved to insert ‘declare,’ striking out ‘make’ war; leaving to the Executive the power to repel sudden attacks,” said James Madison’s notes from the Constitutional Convention.

“Mr Gerry never expected to hear in a republic a motion to empower the Executive alone to declare war,” said Madison notes.

“Mr. [George] Mason was agst giving the power of war to the Executive, because not safely to be trusted with it; or to the Senate, because not so constructed as to be entitled to it. He was for clogging rather than facilitating war; but for facilitating peace. He preferred ‘declare’ to ‘make,’” said Madison’s notes.

“On the Motion to insert declare--in place of Make, it was agreed to,” Madison recorded in his notes at the Constitutional Convention.

In his speech to the Senate in 1998, Biden accurately summarized the notes of the Constitutional Convention.

“The original draft of the Constitution would have given to Congress the power to ‘make war.’ At the Constitutional Convention, a motion was made to change this to ‘declare war.’ The reason for the change is instructive,” said Biden.

“At the Convention, James Madison and Elbridge Gerry argued for the amendment solely in order to permit the President the power ‘to repel sudden attacks,’” said Biden. “Just one delegate, Pierce Butler of South Carolina, suggested that the President should be given the power to initiate war.”

Citing Federalist No. 69, Biden noted that Alexander Hamilton, who among the Framers was perhaps the greatest champion of a strong executive, argued that the Constitution gave the president the authority to direct the military in action only after that action was authorized by Congress.

“Even Alexander Hamilton, a staunch advocate of Presidential power, emphasized that the President's power as Commander in Chief would be ‘much inferior’ to the British King, amounting to ‘nothing more than the supreme command and direction of the military and naval forces,’ while that of the British King ‘extends to declaring of war and to the raising and regulating of fleets and armies--all which, by [the U.S.] Constitution, would appertain to the legislature,’” said Biden.

“Given this,” Biden concluded, “the only logical conclusion is that the framers intended to grant to Congress the power to initiate all hostilities, even limited wars.”

Biden gave this speech laying out the Framer’s original understanding of the meaning of the war power to explain why he was introducing legislation that would replace the War Powers Resolution, enacted in the 1973, with a new law designed to prevent the president from indefinitely committing U.S. forces to a military engagement without congressional authorization. Biden’s proposed act also spelt out the conditions under which Biden believed the president—using his authority to “repel a sudden attack”—might launch a military action without prior congressional approval.

“One fundamental weakness of the war powers resolution is that it fails to acknowledge powers that most scholars agree are inherent Presidential powers: to repel an armed attack upon the United States or its Armed Forces, or to rescue Americans abroad,” said Biden in his 1998 speech.

“My legislation,” he said, “corrects this deficiency by enumerating five instances where the President may use force: (1) To repel attack on U.S. territory or U.S. forces; (2) To deal with urgent situations threatening supreme U.S. interests; (3) To extricate imperiled U.S. citizens; (4) To forestall or retaliate against specific acts of terrorism; (5) To defend against substantial threats to international sea lanes or airspace.”

Biden did not say that the president could use a UN resolution, as opposed to an act of Congress, to justify military action. In fact, he specifically criticized President Harry Truman—a Democrat—for going to war in Korea after that war had been authorized by the UN Security Council, but not by the U.S. Congress.

Biden, in fact, accused Truman of taking what Biden called the “monarchist” view of the president’s power to use military force.

“[W]hat I call the ``monarchist'' view of the war power,” said Biden, is “the thesis that the President holds nearly unlimited power to direct American forces into action.

“The thesis is largely a product of the Cold War and the nuclear age: the view that, at a time when the fate of the planet itself appeared to rest with two men thousands of miles apart, Congress had little choice, or so it was claimed but to cede tremendous authority to the executive,” said Biden.

“This thesis first emerged in 1950, when President Truman sent forces to Korea without congressional authorization,” said Biden.

On June 27, 1950, after North Korea invaded South Korea, the U.N. Security Council passed Resolution 83, recommending “that the Members of the United Nations furnish such assistance to the Republic of Korea as may be necessary to repel the armed attack and to restore international peace and security in the area.”

That same day, President Truman ordered U.S. forces into Korea without seeking congressional authorization.

According to the Congressional Research Service, Senate Republican Leader Robert Taft (Ohio) said of Truman's action: “The President simply usurped authority in violation of the laws and the Constitution, when he sent troops to Korea to carry out the resolution of the United Nations in an undeclared war.”




FLASHBACK--Joe Biden: ‘Framers Intended to Grant Congress Power to Initiate All Hostilities, Even Limited Wars’
By Terence P. Jeffrey
March 21, 2011 | 11:49am EDT

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/flashback-joe-biden-framers-intended-grant-congress-power-initiate-all-hostilities-even



President Truman said this about stopping Communist expansion in Korea:


“We've got to stop the sons of bitches, no matter what, and that's all there is to it.”


Note the different loyalties between President Truman and China Joe Biden:


Truman jumped on the Soviet Union’s failure to attend a Security Council meeting; so he took the opportunity to stop Communist expansion by manipulating the United Nations; hence, a U.N. Police Action rather than a declared war. Had the Soviets attended the one and only Security Council meeting they ever missed they would have vetoed Truman’s military opposition to North Korea’s aggression. Today, China has a veto on the permanent Security Council. Trump can be sure the Chicoms will not be missing any SC meetings.

Incidentally, President Truman was right in stopping Communism, but he was wrong in getting the U.N.’s approval. Every choice Truman had remains the same for President Trump with one exception. Trump has to consider the descendants of Vietnam War traitors in Congress who are much stronger today than their forefathers were in the 1960s.


https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?108955-Americans-Are-Dying-In-Afghanistan-For-The-United-Nations&p=2779843#post2779843

[]2epo]v[an]

I agree, we should have dropped freedom on the taliban relentlessly and left the country in further ruins than it already is then left.

But then we'd lose the oportunity to execute our afghan pederast heroin cartel allies ourselves. Nothing is stopping us from bombing the shit out of the Taliban again after that. The only thing stopping us from glassing the whole country is that we havent left it yet.

[Flanders]

Failed foreign policy in Afghanistan is one more reason Biden was never right about anything. Remember that then-Senator Joe Biden was a leading advocate for fighting a United Nations war in Afghanistan.

Lest I be misinterpreted, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq all met the preemptive war of self-defense criterion. In short: War policy based on what the United Nations dictates is the problem —— not wars of self-defense. Biden was always too stupid to know the difference.


I cannot decide if Biden denies responsibility for the second longest war because he is a stupid man, or if his senility kicked in:


Biden says he bears ‘zero responsibility' for Afghanistan debacle
by Becket Adams
August 13, 2021 10:13 AM

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/biden-says-he-bears-zero-responsibility-for-afghanistan-debacle



Incidentally dumbass, the U.N.’s Korean War is technically the longest war because it never ended thanks to President Wilson’s PEACE WITHOUT VICTORY war policy.

[PostmodernProphet]

will Biden's withdrawal from the White House be as big a disaster as his withdrawal from Afghanistan?......

[Wolverine]

In just a few months of being in office, the Biden administration is not only an embarrassment at the national level, but they are now turning the United States into a laughingstock on the international level.

Being the weak leader he is, President Joe Biden has instructed staff at the embassy in Kabul to *destroy* American flags to lessen the embarrassment on the Biden administration for the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan. The instruction was reportedly made so that Biden wouldn’t be as embarrassed through propaganda pushed by the Taliban.

In bold font, the memo added, “Please also include items embassy or agency logos, American flags, or items which could be misused in propaganda efforts.”


Former CIA director and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, unleashed on Biden this week, blasting him for his “poor leadership.”

“I don’t know exactly what they are doing, but we had conditions attached to how we were thinking about this withdrawal — I was part of those negotiations,” Pompeo said. “I was also in the room when President Trump made very clear to Mullah Baradar, the senior Taliban negotiator, that if you threatened an American, if you scared an American, certainly if you hurt an American, that we would bring all American power to bear to make sure that we went to your village, to your house. We were very clear about the things we were prepared to do to protect American lives. And indeed, since we began those negotiations back in February of 2020, there wasn’t a single American killed by the Taliban. We had established a deterrence model.”

[Wolverine]

Crickets!

[Flanders]

Today’s headlines about Afghanistan on every blog make me sick. Not because the stories are heart wrenching, but because every story plays every pathetic touchy-feely trick in the book to keep the United Nations from losing a war.



Make no mistake about it, the war in Afghanistan has always been a United Nations war. A military defeat is their defeat.


United Nations Security Council resolution 1386, adopted unanimously on 20 December 2001, after reaffirming all resolutions on the situation in Afghanistan, particularly resolutions 1378 (2001) and 1383 (2001), the Council authorised the establishment of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) to assist the Afghan Interim Authority in the maintenance of security in Kabul and surrounding areas. It was the final Security Council resolution adopted in 2001.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1386


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(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1386)
Remember that then-Senator Joe Biden was a leading advocate for fighting a United Nations war in Afghanistan.

Not one more American should die in Afghanistan for the United Nations.


NOTE: Afghans defeated the Soviet Union with the weapons the U.S. provided. Admittedly, the Taliban does not fight with helicopters and tanks, but the same U.S. policy that helped defeat the Soviets can be adapted to defeat the Taliban without one American dying.

Young Americans of military age better be damn sure they are being asked to fight in foreign lands for this country, and not being fobbed into dying for United Nations.

Just to be clear. There is no objection to killing Muslims trying to kill you, while Constitution-loving Americans would cut their own throats if they fight to replace one religion with another. Americans must defeat Islam as a matter of self-defense, but they must not do it for Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism, Socialism, democracy, the United Nations, and certainly not for the New World Order. Fighting for their country is the only thing Americans should fight for.


https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?108955-Americans-Are-Dying-In-Afghanistan-For-The-United-Nations&p=2779843#post2779843

Finally, if you believe in the power of prayer, pray that Americans are not being deployed to Afghanistan in another failed attempt to save democracy à la nation-building.



Biden authorizes 1,000 more troops to be sent to Afghanistan
By Donald Judd and Barbara Starr, CNN
Updated 2:39 AM ET, Sun August 15, 2021

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/14/politics/biden-afghanistan-troops/index.html

[Lionfish]

I wonder if he also mandated the removam of the gay flag and the black lives murder banner?

[Dachshund]

NIXON WON THE VIETNAM WAR FOR AMERICA IN 1973. FACT.

THE DEMOCRATS LET THE COMMUNISTS TAKE SOUTH VIETNAM AFTER NIXON RESIGNED IN 1974.

SAIGON FELL TO Le DUC's NVA ans VIET CONG in 1975. Le DUC WAS IN CHARGE OF NORTH VIETNAM'S MILITARY AT THE TIME, NOT HO CHI MINH (HO WAS A LITTLE OLD MAN WHO WAS QUITE ILL DURING THE FIRST HALF OF THE 1970's




Dachshund


DLM....Dachshund Lives Matter !

[gemini104104]

Afghanistan: 'We have won the war, America has lost', say Taliban
By Secunder Kermani and Mahfouz Zubaide
BBC News, Balkh district
Published 11 hours ago

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56747158


Make no mistake about it, the war in Afghanistan has always been a United Nations war. A military defeat is their defeat.


United Nations Security Council resolution 1386, adopted unanimously on 20 December 2001, after reaffirming all resolutions on the situation in Afghanistan, particularly resolutions 1378 (2001) and 1383 (2001), the Council authorised the establishment of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) to assist the Afghan Interim Authority in the maintenance of security in Kabul and surrounding areas. It was the final Security Council resolution adopted in 2001.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1386

Democrats will never admit that the United Nations lost the war in Afghanistan. Regardless of how media spins it, or how many Americans died fighting in a United Nations war, the New World Order crowd will never allow the United Nations to take the blame for a military defeat:

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1386)

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/50/d9/5a/50d95a1086845a18f9136255a16f609b.png
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/50/d9/5a/50d95a1086845a18f9136255a16f609b.png



The New World Order crowd will even kick their pet monkey, China Joe Biden, under the bus before they tarnish the U.N.’s war record.



Biden's troop withdrawal plan marked by sobering concern: The Note
ByAveri Harper ,Alisa Wiersema, andKendall Karson
April 15, 2021, 6:01 AM

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bidens-troop-withdrawal-plan-marked-sobering-concern-note/story?id=77072223


Failed foreign policy in Afghanistan is one more reason Biden was never right about anything. Remember that then-Senator Joe Biden was a leading advocate for fighting a United Nations war in Afghanistan.

Lest I be misinterpreted, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq all met the preemptive war of self-defense criterion. In short: War policy based on what the United Nations dictates is the problem —— not wars of self-defense. Biden was always too stupid to know the difference. You can bet the family jewels that Xi Jingping knows the difference. That is why they are laughing at a different joke:



https://yalibnan.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/BIDEN-XI-1024x635.jpg
https://yalibnan.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/BIDEN-XI-1024x635.jpg


NOTE: President Truman outsmarted Communists in the Korean War when the Soviet Union did not show for the one and only time they missed a Security Council meeting. Also note that the U.N. opposed the war in Vietnam.

Democrats always wanted out of Iraq, but not out of Afghanistan. That is because the Afghanistan coalition is a U.N.-approved military intervention. Leading Democrats screaming about their phoney concerns for American lives lost in Iraq made me sick because I know that they never gave a damn about how many Americans are killed fighting for a U.N. in Afghanistan.

Incidentally, the Taliban hanged Afghanistan’s Communist president in 1996, but I do not think that one good act entitles all Muslims to the Joe McCarthy Anti-Communism Award.

Muslims honed their insurgency skills in Algeria. Since 1962 Muslims believe they will always have occupying troops to attack. Radical Islamists may think they have perfected the ultimate battle strategy against an occupying force. But what if there is no occupation? What do they do then? My point is this: Just level those damn countries, starve them out, use every weapon in our arsenal and be done with it. All of those douche bags combined are not worth the life of one American killed in occupying the country of a sworn enemy for the United Nations.

America used a small percentage of its military might and WEAPONRY in Iraq and Afghanistan. Should it ever come to an all-out war this country fights to win instead of fighting PEACE WITHOUT VICTORY wars like Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq type wars, it would not take long to defeat an enemy country, or countries, so long as the U.S. military is fighting for their country not fighting for the U.N.’s global agenda.



Actually the U.S. deserves credit for rescuing Vietnam from the clutches of communism in 1975 for the following reason in terms of the fall of Saigon:

Will Vietnam become the next ‘world’s factory’ as production moves away from China?

The Vietnamese economy has been touted as a major beneficiary of the US-China trade war as companies are reportedly relocating factories to Vietnam to rebuild their supply chains. Whether the Southeast Asian country can replace China to become the next "world's factory" has become a hot topic of discussion.

Vietnam's GDP grew 6.79 percent in the first quarter of this year thanks in large part to the growth in its processing and manufacturing sector. Though its economic growth rate slowed from the 7.31 percent gain in the previous quarter, the country is still likely to be the fastest-growing economy in Asia during the period.

In the past, Vietnam attracted capacity transfers from many manufacturers in textiles, garments and other low-end industries that have fled China over the past decade due to rising labor costs. In 2010, Vietnam surpassed China for the first time as the leading producer of Nike shoes.

Now against the background of the trade war, the Southeast Asian country seems well poised to become a new regional manufacturing hub across a variety of sectors. In order to bring high-tech manufacturing back to the US, the Trump administration has taken a series of actions, including initiating the trade war with China, to reshuffle global supply chains. Multinational companies have also been moving their operations to countries with lower costs, such as Vietnam, partially under the cost pressure caused by US tariffs on Chinese exports. With geographical proximity to China, Vietnam boasts the largest industrial manufacturing system in Southeast Asia. A young population and low labor costs also add to its appeal to multinational companies.

As international electronics giants are relocating to Vietnam, the country is set to become the new manufacturing center for the global electronics industry. In 2018, South Korea's Samsung and Japan's Olympus closed their respective factories in Shenzhen, South China's Guangdong Province, and transferred their operations to Vietnam. Samsung has already invested billions of dollars in building a grand manufacturing base in the Saigon High-Tech Park in Ho Chi Minh City. The park has also received heavy investment from other high-profile tech giants like Intel, Schneider and Jabil. Moreover, in 2015, Microsoft moved its Nokia manufacturing from Beijing to Hanoi, the Vietnamese capital."

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1145242.shtml

[Flanders]

Actually the U.S. deserves credit for rescuing Vietnam from the clutches of communism in 1975 for the following reason in terms of the fall of Saigon:

Will Vietnam become the next ‘world’s factory’ as production moves away from China?

To gemini104104: How in hell does the U.S. get credit for creating another Communist economy in addition to another satellite country for China? The military danger is that China is not is making the same satellite mistakes the Soviet Union made.

NOTE:



China won in Vietnam. There were no anti-Korean War demonstration because it was a U.N. war. The U.N. did not sanction the Vietnam War; hence, demonstrations against the war was the main reason China won in Vietnam. Those demonstrations began before China was seated in 1971:


https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?126430-How-Do-%91YOU%92-Stand-On-H-R-204&p=3259359#post3259359


Democrats agitated for seating Communist China in the U.N. shortly after China went Communist. The agitation paid off while the Vietnam War was still being fought. In addition to the Vietnam War giving American Communists a tool to admit China to the U.N. —— DEMOCRATS are still proud of bringing defeat to their own country.

The American Left increased its agitation and propaganda efforts throughout the Vietnam War until Nixon yielded to media pressure and seated the People’s Republic of China. That included giving the Republic of China’s Security Council seat to Communist China. It also meant that two out of five seats on the Security Council were occupied by Communist governments thanks to the American Left. Both were nuclear powers.


https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?108477-Wapo-Determined-To-Force-Another-President-Out-Of-Office&p=2766134#post2766134

[Flanders]

OBAMA UPDATE




Remember that it was that filthy piece of garbage, Barack Hussein Obama, who did this:




When Bergdahl was traded for five Taliban prisoners and brought home, Shannon Allen, Mark's wife didn't hold back her feelings for how he changed their family forever.

"Meet my husband," she wrote on Facebook, "injuries directly brought to you by the actions of this traitor."

Donald Trump also expressed his disdain towards the prisoner transfer of Bergdahl, calling the decision "a complete" and "total disgrace to our country and our Military."

During the trial of Bergdahl, Shannon testified that it took 90 minutes to get her husband out of bed, showered and dressed each morning. She had to use a pulley system, which was attached to the ceiling to move him, according to Task & Purpose.

Mark's young daughter also enjoyed climbing into his wheelchair and sitting on his lap, Shannon told the outlet.

U.S. Veterans' Network posted a tribute, calling Allen "a true American hero."

"MSG Mark Allen, a true American hero. Thank you for your service brother. We'll take it from here," the network posted on Facebook.

His service will be held in Loganville, Georgia on Oct. 17 from 4:00 p.m. until 8:00 p.m.




Master Sgt. Mark Allen dies 10 years after being shot while searching for Army deserter
David Aaro
2-3 minutes




https://www.foxnews.com/us/master-sgt-mark-allen-dies-10-years-after-being-shot-in-head-while-looking-for-army-deserter (https://www.foxnews.com/us/master-sgt-mark-allen-dies-10-years-after-being-shot-in-head-while-looking-for-army-deserter)



https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?108257-Slimy%92s-Pardons&p=2759409#post2759409 (https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?108257-Slimy%92s-Pardons&p=2759409#post2759409)



Make no mistake about it, the war in Afghanistan has always been a United Nations war. A military defeat is their defeat.

The United Nations told the lying sack of shit to trade five Muslim terrorists for one traitor:




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Khairullah Khairkhwa, a Taliban commander released from Guantanamo Bay in 2014 by the Obama administration. AP Photo/Alexander Zemlianichenko, Pool




When then-President Barack Obama released five Taliban commanders from the Guantanamo Bay prison in exchange for an American deserter in 2014, he assured a wary public the dangerous enemy combatants would be transferred to Qatar and kept from causing any trouble in Afghanistan.

In fact, they were left free to engineer Sunday’s sacking of Kabul.

Soon after gaining their freedom, some of the notorious Taliban Five pledged to return to fight Americans in Afghanistan and made contacts with active Taliban militants there. But the Obama-Biden administration turned a blind eye to the disturbing intelligence reports, and it wasn’t long before the freed detainees used Qatar as a base to form a regime in exile.

Eventually, they were recognized by Western diplomats as official representatives of the Taliban during recent “peace” talks.

Earlier this year, one of them, Khairullah Khairkhwa, actually sat across the table from President Biden’s envoy to Afghanistan, Zalmay Khalilzad, in Moscow, where Khairkhwa was part of the official Taliban delegation that negotiated the final terms of the US withdrawal. The retreat cleared a path for the Taliban to retake power after 20 years.

“I started jihad to remove foreign forces from my country and establish an Islamic government, and jihad will continue until we reach that goal through a political agreement,” Khairkhwa said at the summit.

After raiding the presidential palace in Kabul, a group of armed Taliban fighters told Al Jazeera that they were arranging to bring back their Gitmo-paroled leadership from Qatar upon securing the capital. One unidentified fighter, who blasted America for “oppressing our people for 20 years,” claimed he had also been locked up at the Guantanamo Bay facility. It’s more evidence Gitmo catch-and-release policies facilitated the fall of Afghanistan to the enemy Washington vowed to crush after 9/11.

The mastermind of the regime change is former detainee Khairkhwa, the Taliban mullah whom Obama released from Gitmo even though the Pentagon classified him as too dangerous to release.

Earlier this year, Khairkhwa assured the administration that the Taliban would not launch a spring military offensive if Biden committed to removing all remaining American troops. He also promised not to retaliate against any Afghans who worked with the US military or the US-backed government in Kabul. But Khairkhwa showed no signs of remorse or rehabilitation inside Gitmo — if anything, he’s probably more embittered to the United States. Why would they believe him?

Reports coming out of Kandahar and Kabul indicate the extremists have already broken their word. Taliban thugs have started a reign of terror against people who cooperated with Westerners. Guided by a “kill list,” they are going door-to-door to punish their enemies.

Khairullah Khairkhwa and four other leaders of the Taliban were released from prison in Guantanamo Bay in 2014 in exchange for Bowe Bergdahl.

Special envoy Khalilzad convinced the White House the US-backed government would not collapse and the Taliban would not take over — even though Khairkhwa made it clear he and his fellow mullahs sought to reestablish strict Islamic rule without outside meddling.

Mullah Khairkhwa previously served as the Taliban’s minister of interior in Afghanistan, where he oversaw enforcement of brutal Islamist punishments, including beheadings and stonings. After 9/11, he was arrested in Pakistan and sent to Gitmo in 2002. The Pentagon accused him of closely associating with Osama bin Laden and bin Laden’s al?Qaeda henchmen.

Twelve years later, Obama sprung Khairkhwa from jail along with four other top Taliban leaders in exchange for the Taliban releasing US Army Sgt. Robert “Bowe” Bergdahl, who was captured after deserting his post in Afghanistan. Khairkhwa and his fellow parolees, who were immediately flown to Qatar, were the only “forever prisoners” released without being cleared by the Gitmo parole board.





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Former President Barack Obama celebrating the return of the “POW” Bergdahl with his parents at the White House.
AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/08/taliban-leader-returns-827.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1535




Upon his return, Obama celebrated Bergdahl as a heroic “POW,” a designation the Pentagon never gave him. At the bizarre Rose Garden ceremony, during which Bergdahl’s father praised Allah, Obama asserted: “We’re committed to winding down the war in Afghanistan and closing Gitmo.”

But public opinion rapidly turned against Bergdahl as the facts of his disappearance and capture became known. He ultimately was court-martialed and pleaded guilty to desertion and misbehavior before the enemy. In 2017, he was sentenced to a dishonorable discharge. Last year, the US military’s top appeals court upheld the conviction against him.

Several of his fellow soldiers were seriously injured during search-and-rescue missions launched to find him in Afghanistan. During Bergdahl’s five-year Taliban captivity, the Taliban became more accurate and deadly targeting US convoys and troops.





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Bergdahl would eventually plead guilty to desertion.
AFP/Getty Images
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It’s not clear if then-Vice President Biden was fully on board with Obama’s controversial prisoner exchange. But in a reversal of Trump administration policy, Biden has restarted Obama’s program to release Gitmo detainees as part of a renewed push to close the prison.

Last month, the president released his first prisoner — accused terrorist Abdul Latif Nasser — leaving the number of remaining detainees at 39. Ten others have been cleared for release, while still others have appealed to Biden through their pro-bono defense lawyers to ensure their release, despite the risk of them returning to militant activities like the Taliban Five.

If Obama and Biden had left the five Taliban thugs to rot in Cuba, Kabul more than likely would not be back in the clutches of the Taliban right now. And maybe Americans wouldn’t have sacrificed more than 2,400 troops and $1 trillion in vain.




Taliban leader was freed from Guantanamo Bay in 2014 swap by Obama
By Paul Sperry
August 16, 2021 9:44pm

https://nypost.com/2021/08/16/taliban-leader-was-freed-from-guantanamo-in-2014-swap-by-obama/

[Jarod]

Is Jerry Ford to blame for Vietnam? No Johnson is.

Biden’s not to blame for Afghanistan, Bush is!

[memorygal]

you can never win a war you should never have been in. dumbass.

ahh the coward has spoken

[memorygal]

Is Jerry Ford to blame for Vietnam? No Johnson is.

Biden’s not to blame for Afghanistan, Bush is!

obama was after bush

[Jarod]

obama was after bush

Yup, Obama should have ended it, so should have Trump.

[Jarod]

obama was after bush

Yup, Obama should have ended it, so should have Trump. But the one who started it gets the most blame.

[Flanders]

. . . the one who started it gets the most blame.

To Jarod: Democrats, the United Nations —— and Woodrow Wilson:


Making the World “Safe for Democracy”: Woodrow Wilson Asks for War

http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/4943/



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PEACE WITHOUT VICTORY

http://www.firstworldwar.com/source/peacewithoutvictory.htm

[MAGA MAN]

Afghanistan: 'We have won the war, America has lost', say Taliban
By Secunder Kermani and Mahfouz Zubaide
BBC News, Balkh district
Published 11 hours ago

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56747158


Make no mistake about it, the war in Afghanistan has always been a United Nations war. A military defeat is their defeat.


United Nations Security Council resolution 1386, adopted unanimously on 20 December 2001, after reaffirming all resolutions on the situation in Afghanistan, particularly resolutions 1378 (2001) and 1383 (2001), the Council authorised the establishment of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) to assist the Afghan Interim Authority in the maintenance of security in Kabul and surrounding areas. It was the final Security Council resolution adopted in 2001.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1386

Democrats will never admit that the United Nations lost the war in Afghanistan. Regardless of how media spins it, or how many Americans died fighting in a United Nations war, the New World Order crowd will never allow the United Nations to take the blame for a military defeat:

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1386)

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/50/d9/5a/50d95a1086845a18f9136255a16f609b.png
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The New World Order crowd will even kick their pet monkey, China Joe Biden, under the bus before they tarnish the U.N.’s war record.



Biden's troop withdrawal plan marked by sobering concern: The Note
ByAveri Harper ,Alisa Wiersema, andKendall Karson
April 15, 2021, 6:01 AM

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bidens-troop-withdrawal-plan-marked-sobering-concern-note/story?id=77072223


Failed foreign policy in Afghanistan is one more reason Biden was never right about anything. Remember that then-Senator Joe Biden was a leading advocate for fighting a United Nations war in Afghanistan.

Lest I be misinterpreted, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq all met the preemptive war of self-defense criterion. In short: War policy based on what the United Nations dictates is the problem —— not wars of self-defense. Biden was always too stupid to know the difference. You can bet the family jewels that Xi Jingping knows the difference. That is why they are laughing at a different joke:



https://yalibnan.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/BIDEN-XI-1024x635.jpg
https://yalibnan.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/BIDEN-XI-1024x635.jpg


NOTE: President Truman outsmarted Communists in the Korean War when the Soviet Union did not show for the one and only time they missed a Security Council meeting. Also note that the U.N. opposed the war in Vietnam.

Democrats always wanted out of Iraq, but not out of Afghanistan. That is because the Afghanistan coalition is a U.N.-approved military intervention. Leading Democrats screaming about their phoney concerns for American lives lost in Iraq made me sick because I know that they never gave a damn about how many Americans are killed fighting for a U.N. in Afghanistan.

Incidentally, the Taliban hanged Afghanistan’s Communist president in 1996, but I do not think that one good act entitles all Muslims to the Joe McCarthy Anti-Communism Award.

Muslims honed their insurgency skills in Algeria. Since 1962 Muslims believe they will always have occupying troops to attack. Radical Islamists may think they have perfected the ultimate battle strategy against an occupying force. But what if there is no occupation? What do they do then? My point is this: Just level those damn countries, starve them out, use every weapon in our arsenal and be done with it. All of those douche bags combined are not worth the life of one American killed in occupying the country of a sworn enemy for the United Nations.

America used a small percentage of its military might and WEAPONRY in Iraq and Afghanistan. Should it ever come to an all-out war this country fights to win instead of fighting PEACE WITHOUT VICTORY wars like Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq type wars, it would not take long to defeat an enemy country, or countries, so long as the U.S. military is fighting for their country not fighting for the U.N.’s global agenda.



You really fucked up here.

[Flanders]

Afghanistan Lesson 101 for hopeless ignoramus Squad sister Congress member Rashida Tlaib from someone painfully in the know—Maleeha, my once 9-year-old temporarily adopted Afghan girl, now a single Mother raising three children in Toronto.”Temporarily” until a local church pastor helped me bring her Mother and siblings to join her in Canada.

“Rep. Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich., was blasted for claiming Sunday that the U.S. supported the Taliban against the Soviet forces occupying Afghanistan in the 1980s, a decade before the Islamist group came into existence.(Fox News, Aug. 16, 2021)

“Rashida, your stunning ignorance is showing.”





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It was, of course the Afghan Northern Alliance under the leadership of Lion of the Panjshir Valley Ahmad Shah Massoud who drove the most dreaded army on Earth— the Russian Red Army—out of Afghanistan in the 1980s while the rest of the world mostly looked away.




An Afghan Lesson For Deluded Rashida Tlaib From Someone-In-The-Know
By Judi McLeod
August 17, 2021

https://canadafreepress.com/article/an-afghan-lesson-for-deluded-rashida-tlaib-from-someone-in-the-know


I remember RR and:




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Likewise, the movie short-changes credit on the human-rights side. While it shows that Charlie Wilson had rightly and quite commendably informed Congressional liberals about the horror of Soviet-made booby-trapped toys blowing limbs off Afghan children, Ronald Reagan went much further, directly excoriating Mikhail Gorbachev for this vicious tactic. Reagan courageously did so, to the shock of his moderate advisers, in his first one-on-one with Gorbachev at the Geneva Summit in November 1985.

An angry, seething Reagan -- as emotionally attached to the Afghan suffering as was Charlie Wilson -- concluding his reprimand of Gorbachev by snapping at the Soviet leader: "Are you still trying to take over the world?" Gorbachev was visibly shaken, staring at Reagan in silence, mouth agape, with a stunned expression. Reagan arms control director Ken Adelman, a witness, called Reagan's words in that exchange the most "harsh indictment of Soviet behavior ever delivered to the top Soviet man." Reagan biographer Edmund Morris reported that the only person who appeared more flabbergasted was the State Department note-taker.







January 12, 2008
Whose War? Separating Fact from Fiction in 'Charlie Wilson's War'
By Paul Kengor

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2008/01/whos_war_separating_fact_from.html







Remember that Gorbachev was one of the Communist dictators responsible for the nine years of brutality the Afghan people suffered at the hands of Soviet Communists. The war, and the unbelievable savagery, was started by Leonid Brezhnev and continued under Gorbachev. To hear Gorbachev’s admirers tell it the old butcher never did a bad thing in his life.


https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?123647-Ratcliffe-Was-Scratched-In-The-Starting-Gate&p=3185555#post3185555

[Flanders]

Failed foreign policy in Afghanistan is one more reason Biden was never right about anything. Remember that then-Senator Joe Biden was a leading advocate for fighting a United Nations war in Afghanistan.

China Joe Biden’s record remains unblemished. He is wrong again:


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[Flanders]

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Make no mistake about it, the war in Afghanistan has always been a United Nations war.

QUESTION: Who signs with the Taliban? ANSWER:




If truth be told U.N. Secretary General António Guterres would sign the peace treaty.


https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?113803-God-Forbid-A-Peace-Treaty&p=2908118#post2908118

[PostmodernProphet]

Is Jerry Ford to blame for Vietnam? No Johnson is.

Biden’s not to blame for Afghanistan, Bush is!

Bush was not in the president in August of 2021..........unfortunately.......

[PostmodernProphet]

Yup, Obama should have ended it, so should have Trump.

Bush, Obama, Trump......they all would have done a better job at it.......

[Flanders]

Faced with an outcry from the press over the president’s unwillingness to answer questions about the chaotic conclusion of the 20-year war in Afghanistan, Biden did an interview with ABC News host George Stephanopoulos at the White House to defend his actions.




Stubborn Joe Biden Snaps, Falls Apart in Interview as Afghanistan Crisis Worsens
by Charlie Spiering
18 Aug 2021

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/08/18/stubborn-joe-biden-snaps-falls-apart-interview-afghanistan-crisis-worsens/


It is no wonder China Joe Biden is falling apart. He cannot admit that the war then-Senator Biden advocated is lost.

One good thing came out of Afghanistan. The United Nations will get the blame for losing the war.

Finally, score two for Democrats and their U.N. bunghole buddies.

1. They handed South Vietnam to Communists.

2. They handed Afghanistan to a terrorist organization.

p.s. Biden in the Balkans:


Note that President Clinton dared not use United Nations “peacekeepers” to kill Christians for Muslims in his Balkan Adventure; so he used NATO to sneak the U.N. in thru the backdoor. “U.N. Peacekeepers” are now entrenched in the Balkans.

Incidentally, millions of Muslims poured into Europe after the Balkan War ended.





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President Clinton’s use of NATO in his Balkan Adventure is a train wreck waiting to happen. More so because it originated with then-Senator Joe Biden.

During the 2008 presidential campaign, Biden said that he was the catalyst that changed the conditions in the Balkans fronted by President Clinton. True, or untrue, Biden claimed he was the guy who told Bill Clinton what to do in Bosnia. If true, he told Clinton to use NATO forces to bomb Christians.


https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?113633-A-Sneak-And-A-Scum-Bag-Agree&p=2903288#post2903288

[Iolo/Penderyn]

The basic principle behind all this is that capitalism couldn't care less about people - it works for profit and advantage. The attack on Afghanistan was idiotic in the first place, and the occupation has been kept going because various businesses were make a packet. It suited their book to let women get educated and such, but now there's no profit in it, so hard luck! What's new?

[Lionfish]

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[Flanders]

The basic principle behind all this is that capitalism couldn't care less about people - it works for profit and advantage

To Iolo/Penderyn: Learn the difference:



1. Capitalism is an economic system that works to perfection for the most people in a severely limited form of government.

2. Socialism is a form of government that works for the least number of people.

3. Socialism and capitalism are, and always will be, incompatible.


https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?116561-McConnell-Frames-The-Debate-For-2020&p=2981478#post2981478

[Geeko Sportivo]

Opie this is the epitome of OVERTHINKING IT!

I want my 5 minutes back it took me the time I wasted just to read it- and then the time to just try to make some kind of intelligent sense out of all the psychobabble!

Your making wild assessments and jumping to conclusions about things way over your head in order to play out your slanted political narratives.

IN OTHER WORDS YOUR THREAD IS MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING!

WHOOP-WHOOP-DITTY-DITTY-DO!

Hilarious!

[Nordberg]

Socialism does not exist. the countries rightys call socialist are capitalistic. They have companies and the people work at jobs like we do here. the difference is what the government does with the taxes. The ones we call Socialistic provide universal healthcare and free education. We privatize that to make profits. Anything that helps the people instead of the masters is labelled with the socialist tag. Yet we shop at Ikea, use Samsung phones, but Volvos and see Scandinavian goods everywhere we go. The idea that there are socialistic countries and we somehow are superior to them is a Repub, wealthy construct not based in fact.

[Nordberg]

Defeat in Afghanistan?: What would a win look like? We were there for the military/industrial complex and they got paid.

[Flanders]

Socialism does not exist. the countries rightys call socialist are capitalistic. They have companies and the people work at jobs like we do here. the difference is what the government does with the taxes. The ones we call Socialistic provide universal healthcare and free education. We privatize that to make profits. Anything that helps the people instead of the masters is labelled with the socialist tag. Yet we shop at Ikea, use Samsung phones, but Volvos and see Scandinavian goods everywhere we go. The idea that there are socialistic countries and we somehow are superior to them is a Repub, wealthy construct not based in fact.

To Nordberg: I will make it simple for you.

Socialism attempts to govern by the tax collector’s morality.

Socialism/Communism is a collectivist form of government. Howard Roarke defines why it cannot survive.




https://youtu.be/TRCfLY53mSA


https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?108284-The-Labor-Union-Myth&p=2760359#post2760359

[Flanders]

U.N. allies are throwing China Joe under the bus:



Democrats will never admit that the United Nations lost the war in Afghanistan. Regardless of how media spins it, or how many Americans died fighting in a United Nations war, the New World Order crowd will never allow the United Nations to take the blame for a military defeat:

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1386)

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The New World Order crowd will even kick their pet monkey, China Joe Biden, under the bus before they tarnish the U.N.’s war record.

The B.S. is already higher than Mount Everest:




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British MP Tom Tugenhadt addressed the British Parliament on Aug. 18, 2021
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The Washington Examiner's Tom Rogan observed that British parliamentarians "are realizing that Biden's inaugural address pledge to be a 'strong and trusted partner' and 'repair our alliances' might not be worth all that much."




U.S. allies rebuke 'shameful' Biden
By Art Moore
Published August 19, 2021 at 7:30pm

https://www.wnd.com/2021/08/u-s-allies-rebuke-shameful-biden/


Biden is covering up for a United Nations war to be sure, but I would not trust anything the Brits say about “allies”:


Let me add that Australia has always been this country’s most loyal ally in war and in peace not the UK as the Vietnam War proved. The UK fought with us in Korea because it was a United Nations POLICE ACTION. The UK did not fight with the U.S. in Vietnam because the U.N. did not sanction that war.


https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?131781-Pelosi-Has-To-Protect-Hillary-Clinton&p=3403869#post3403869

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[Iolo/Penderyn]

To Iolo/Penderyn: Learn the difference:



1. Capitalism is an economic system that works to perfection for the most people in a severely limited form of government.

2. Socialism is a form of government that works for the least number of people.

3. Socialism and capitalism are, and always will be, incompatible.


https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?116561-McConnell-Frames-The-Debate-For-2020&p=2981478#post2981478

Capitalism, kid, exists by robbing the majority of the fruits of their labours, obviously. How else do thieving capitalists get control of government?

Socialism is NOT a form of government. Without exploitation you don't need one.

Yes, socialism and capitalism, like democracy and capitalism, are totally incompatible.

[Flanders]

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1428091579051483141?s=19

To Primavera: Thanks for reminding me of his gift.



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The numbers are staggering when you compare Afghanistan to Vietnam where every American got out:


Now, just in perspective, understand that the French and the British are actually going out and extracting their citizens in Kabul and bringing them back. The French. But the Biden folks aren’t letting the military do that because of the “deal” with the Taliban about “safe passage” to the airport, according to reports. Meanwhile, many can’t get through despite that claim of “safe passage.” It’s madness. Biden is acceding to the Taliban, yet again.




French and Brits Are Rescuing Their Citizens in Kabul, but Here's What Americans Were Hearing
By Nick Arama
Aug 19, 2021 10:15 PM ET

https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/08/19/french-and-brits-are-rescuing-their-citizens-in-kabul-but-heres-what-americans-were-hearing-n429862


Frankly, I believe China Joe wants Americans killed by the Taliban. What better way to resurrect the U.N.’s war than on the bodies of a few thousand Americans killed by Muslim terrorists?

I cannot decide if Biden adopted the sacrificial strategy on his own, or from his U.N.-loving bureaucrats, or if it came straight from United Nations planners.

[MAGA MAN]

Biten really fucked this up.

[Flanders]

Capitalism, kid, exists by robbing the majority of the fruits of their labours, obviously. How else do thieving capitalists get control of government?

Socialism is NOT a form of government. Without exploitation you don't need one.

Yes, socialism and capitalism, like democracy and capitalism, are totally incompatible.

To Iolo/Penderyn: You are clearly too stupid to grasp the difference between an economic system and a form of government. So I put together a list of thoughts and observations about Socialism, religion, and charity. You should find at least one thought you can grasp instead of spouting the usual talking points.

My observations are in no particular order of importance:


unfrock

verb (used with object)

1. to deprive (a monk, priest, minister, etc.) of ecclesiastical rank, authority, and function; depose.

2. to divest or strip of a frock.


Also, defrock.


Defrocked clerics are forever disgraced in the eyes of their congregations. So it is with Democrats in high office except that no matter the disgrace they retain the authority to loot the poor box (tax dollars).

NOTE: I capitalize the words Socialist, Socialism, Communist, Communism for the same reason every religion is capitalized: Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, and so on.

Socialism is a religion. Democrats are Socialists.

Socialism is a theocratic form of government. Socialists go so far as to say that Socialism is an economic system. After years of debating Socialists, I am too tired to repeat the countless ways Socialism is a theocracy.

Supporters of the Paris Climate Accord made my case. Socialists once again attempted to make their case by defending the global warming fraud on economic grounds. They never make their case by defending sovereignty or individual liberties.

NOTE: The pandemic fraud parasites will get trillions more than the climate change parasites will ever see.

Democrats piss into the wind regardless of the stupid things they say because they have no choice. Socialism’s ideology made them tax dollar wealthy. Global warming garbage was designed to make the Socialist priesthood wealthy beyond the wildest dreams of every priesthood that ever lived. For all of their lies and moralizing one fact remains: SOCIALISM IS A TYRANNICAL RELIGION:



religion (noun)
Abbr. rel., relig.

1. a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe. b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.

2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.

3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.

4. A cause, a principle, or an activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.


I would add:


5. A set of beliefs, a cause, a spiritual devotion to acquiring enormous wealth without contributing anything of value.


I will forever be grateful to the environmental movement for one thing. I am finally seeing Socialism/Communism being defined as a religion on television, and on reputable social media websites. The major change in reporting will not force liberals to defend Socialism as a religion. They will continue to spout the glory of this or that welfare state program, tax dollar funded equality, global obligations, and so on. There is no end to the list of garbage Socialists can turn into a moral imperative.

Incidentally, preventing manmade global warming is a relatively new tenet in the tax collector’s pantheon of morals. Happy to say that President Trump walking away from the Paris Climate Accord challenged the foundation of Socialism’s doctrine:



doctrine (noun)

1. A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma.

2. A rule or principle of law, especially when established by precedent.

3. A statement of official government policy, especially in foreign affairs and military strategy.

4. Archaic. Something taught; a teaching.


Let me add every Socialist’s reliance on coerced charity to my argument.

Socialists everywhere can rest easy. Neither Congress nor the courts will touch coerced charity:



Charities push GOP for tax reform change
By Naomi Jagoda - 07/16/17 08:00 AM EDT

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/342154-charities-push-gop-for-tax-reform-change


As a matter of fact the tax code makes every charity involuntary in that the charitable tax deduction forces everybody to fund beliefs they abhor —— most especially Socialism/Communism. In short:



To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson




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In 1794, when Congress appropriated $15,000 for relief of French refugees who fled from insurrection in San Domingo to Baltimore and Philadelphia, James Madison stood on the floor of the House to object saying, "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." James Madison, 4 Annals of congress 179 (1794)

There never was a priesthood that did not yearn for tax dollar tithing. There is no evil worse than coerced charity; that is the misuse of tax dollars. Establishment Republicans and Democrat Socialists/Communists formed an unholy alliance when they funded coerced charity through the tax code —— misnamed the welfare state.

Parenthetically, notice the definition of the noun:


International (noun)

Any of several socialist organizations of international scope formed during the late 19th and early 20th centuries.


Who uses the word International more than Democrats/Socialists?

Charity is either voluntary or involuntary. Parasites believe in coerced charity. That exact belief system is the foundation for every organized religion’s con job. So if the First Amendment is enforced it follows that coerced charity is unconstitutional. It is as simple as that.

It is all about coerced charity. The day the government began using tax dollars to fund “love and compassion” every charity hustler in the world headed for the public trough.

The charitable tax deduction amounts to coerced charity after government parasites take their cut.

The tax collector’s morality is coerced charity because it is a penalty everyone is forced to pay.

Nobody ever discusses coerced charity in relation to the economy. That is odd because coerced charity is the economy —— charity by force has become too big to fail.

Do some research leading up to the XVI Amendment and you will not find one objection to coerced charity —— BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER DISCUSSED —— yet the income tax created today’s Parasite Class.

Voluntary Charity versus Coerced Charity is the only topic when it comes to a debate about repealing the income tax.

Charity is a career choice. As far as I know, a revokable license to practice charity is not required of individual charity hustlers the same way one needs a license to practice medicine or the law.

Every form of coerced charity orders you to put the well-being of strangers before yourself and your loved ones.

There is no greater coercion than the income tax. Not only does the income tax authorize physical coercion by forcing everyone to work for a collective economy they may not agree with —— the income tax imposes coerced charity on everyone. Ultimately, the income tax makes coercion acceptable so long as it justifies a democracy-based economy.

Socialism’s greatest philosophical achievement was in convincing compassionate Americans that coerced charity is the same thing as voluntary charity. The XVI Amendment is, by far, their greatest legislative accomplishment.

The trickiest part was telling Americans what to do rather than tell them what not to do. Once Americans accepted being told how to behave the rest of the Socialist agenda was reduced to a single objective —— replace voluntary charity with coerced charity.

NOTE: Then-Senator Harry Reid even said the income tax (coerced charity) was voluntary:




https://youtu.be/R7mRSI8yWwg


The income tax funds coerced charity; i.e. the moral justification for the welfare state and all of its inherent evils. Without income tax dollars coming in two results are inevitable:

1. The welfare state cannot be maintained. In other words individuals will not be forced to fund charities, religions, and political causes not of their own choosing. (See the Eric Hoffer quote following my signature.)

2. A tax system for the SOLE purpose of funding necessary government will replace the income tax.

Coerced charity’s success depends upon the public accepting government bureaucrats as morally superior.

The Peace Corps was one of the first coerced charities where the public was forced into paying “volunteers” with tax dollars. “Volunteer” organizations like Americorps is also paid tax dollars. That is in addition to the countless domestic and foreign charities American taxpayers are forced to fund.

Individual liberties was the engine responsible for America’s greatness ——not coerced charity or democracy.

Democracy is a horrible form of government to those who have freedom to lose. Tyranny must follow when absolute political power ends in the hands of the few who distribute coerced charity tax dollars.

Nowhere in Section 8 in Article 1 does it authorize the welfare state. Indeed, America’s Founders would have been appalled at spending tax dollars on coerced charity for the general welfare (liberalism’s so-called common good). Following are a few brief examples of their thinking:



With respect to the two words ‘general welfare,’ I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators. James Madison

An elective despotism was not the government we fought for; but one in which the powers of government should be so divided and balanced among the several bodies of magistracy as that no one could transcend their legal limits without being effectually checked and restrained by the others. James Madison

Our tenet ever was that Congress had not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but were restrained to those specifically enumerated, and that, as it was never meant that they should provide for that welfare but by the exercise of the enumerated powers, so it could not have been meant they should raise money for purposes which the enumeration did not place under their action; consequently, that the specification of powers is a limitation of the purposes for which they may raise money. Thomas Jefferson letter to Albert Gallatin, 1817

If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one.... James Madison




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I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer. Benjamin Franklin

The thing that annoys me the most about government-dictated charity is that nincompoops like Nancy Pelosi and Upchuck Schumer truly believe they are more intelligent than America’s Founding Fathers:


Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. - James Madison

The Utopian schemes of re-distribution of the wealth...are as visionary and impractical as those which vest all property in the Crown. - Samuel Adams


Only use the public purse to fund necessary government clearly enumerated in the Constitution. Philosophical interpretations of the General Welfare Clause double speaks coerced charity.

If the First Amendment continues to protect freedom-loving Americans from the evils of theocracy, it must also protect them from coerced charity.

If the permanent elimination of parasites feeding at the public trough is the goal then every form of coerced charity —— WITHOUT EXCEPTION —— must be constitutionally prohibited and enforced.

The United Nations is by far the most successful charity hustle the world has ever seen. Were I speaking instead of typing I would be permanently hoarse from all of the messages I posted about those bums at the United Nations.

Regardless of anything presidents say —— not one American tax dollar will be taken away from U.N. charity hustlers receive annually.

The ugliest document ever written is the U.N.’s 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights. It is the most devious compendium of coerced charity ever devised.

The Socialist priesthood enforces coerced charity with forced taxation in order to enrich themselves. Resettling huge numbers of economic refugees ordered by the United Nations is the essence of coerced charity. Tax dollar funded charity becomes murderous when U.N. refugees kill Americans.

I do not want anybody in Washington in charge of anybody’s money. What I want is the government restricted to SPENDING the public purse only the amount required to run limited “ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY” government. Necessary does not include coerced charity or any aspect of the welfare state.

Jesus Christ never preached institutional charity. He preached individual responsibility. “Do to others as you would have them do to you.”

Voluntary charity is the stuff Good Samaritans are made of. Coerced charity is the stuff dictators are made of. In that sense, I never saw a Socialist/Communist who was not afflicted with a twisted Messianic complex if there is such a thing.

Passing Good Samaritans laws on any level offers the best route to turning America into the country Democrats want. Good Samaritan laws give the government the authority to tell Americans how they must behave, in addition to further enriching the wealthiest members of the Parasite Class. (The rich always get richer when coerced charity goes up.)

The worst part of Good Samaritan laws is that they codify coerced charity. The Affordable Care Act is a Good Samaritan Law.

Trying to blend voluntary and involuntary charity does not standup to scrutiny any more than it worked blending Socialism and capitalism. Good Samaritan laws order involuntary behavior pure and simple. Every other interpretation amounts to verbal calisthenics.

Coerced charity is the most destructive force in the modern world. Throughout history parasites feasting at the public larder had more to do with bringing down every civilization, every empire, every country, every culture, than did any other factor. Coerced charity will bring down America faster than it destroyed long-forgotten cultures.

Successful societies always fail because of parasites. The more successful a society is the more the parasites demand coerced charity until they turn success into failure. There is no societal division more destructive than the one dividing coerced charity from producers. In American society that divide has been widening incrementally for a century.

The propaganda aspect of coerced charity should not be underrated. Go back to the Prohibition era for a comparison. Everyone knew that the police, judges, elected officials, etc., were on the take. The story was that Bootleggers were successful because civil servants were underpaid; ergo; they were susceptible to bribes. Yet today’s government propaganda tells us that overpaid government officials are as pure as Snow White. That image does not stand up to scrutiny.

The education industry has the most money, and the most political clout, being used to implement coerced charity in today’s America. Frankly, I cannot see how any case about the education industry cannot include coerced charity along with all of the rest of the harm the education industry is responsible for.

Ironically, Communist regimes hate organized religions, while they strengthen charity hustlers. If Socialism is about anything it is about coerced charity; hence, Communists will always be in a pickle because they must ensure obedience to the very institution they want to destroy.

Lay Christians obviously believe that coerced charity will eliminate the poor. Proof: LBJ’s War on Poverty clearly refutes Jesus’s wisdom, yet a substantial number of Christians support the welfare state. One cannot agree with coerced charity while proclaiming their love for Jesus.

I do not intend to debate the teachings of Jesus Christ. I am simply pointing out that coerced charity is the antithesis of his message.

T.J. could have been talking about Socialist priests who benefit the most from coerced charity:



In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty. Thomas Jefferson




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History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes. Thomas Jefferson --Letter to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813

Income tax coercion is more about taking labor than it is about taking real property although the takings overlap in specific cases.

Labor is converted to money. Income taxes are paid with money. Wealthy tax dollar parasites pay their taxes with the labors and skills of the many without parasites having done anything of value to begin with. That applies to parasites who run businesses that are subsidized with taxes, or established and protected by favorable legislation.

There is no difference between a Bible-thumper in the White House and a self-defined spiritual leader. Both make a mockery of the First Amendment.

Organized religions lay out the path to a better life in the hereafter, but only if the path is traveled in this world. Every political movement promises Utopia on Earth.

“This concept appeared throughout history.” It will reappear every time parasites impoverish a nation they lay the foundation for next failed attempt “THE REAL THING HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED”.

Nothing will change until civilization deals with the parasite personalty —— the worker bees —— who tighten the nuts and bolts on the machinery of religion and political philosophy. They are the personalty types who did the killing for the ruling classes in the Ottoman Empire, the Soviet Union, Mao’s China, and Nazi Germany.

Socialists/Communists took credit for writing the U.S. Constitution, creating the nation’s wealth, winning WWII, and everything else that made this country great.

Why do Democrats respond to logical arguments with their beliefs, not logically derived, but memorized from the Democratic Party’s play book?

[Flanders]

Organized religions lay out the path to a better life in the hereafter, but only if the path is traveled in this world. Every political movement promises Utopia on Earth.

Addition:



Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst; every other species of tyranny is limited to the world we live in; but this attempts to stride beyond the grave, and seeks to pursue us into eternity. Thomas Paine


Democrat opposition to repealing the inheritance tax has finally defined Socialism as a tyrannical religion, because it too will follow you into the grave, and it does so without claiming God as an ally. Flanders

[Flanders]

Is there anybody in the world except Xi Jingping knows they can believe everything Biden says?


Lest I be misinterpreted, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq all met the preemptive war of self-defense criterion. In short: War policy based on what the United Nations dictates is the problem —— not wars of self-defense. Biden was always too stupid to know the difference. You can bet the family jewels that Xi Jingping knows the difference. That is why they are laughing at a different joke:

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On the happy, happy side: What is the world coming to when China Joe does not believe his U.N. pals?


However, the United Nations issued a report last month finding that al-Qaida is present in at least 15 provinces in Afghanistan. And, further, the U.S. no longer has assets on the ground in the country to assess the terror threat.




Biden promised G7 leaders he would keep Kabul secure
By Art Moore
Published August 20, 2021 at 7:02pm

https://www.wnd.com/2021/08/biden-promised-g7-leaders-keep-kabul-secure/

[Iolo/Penderyn]

Flanders - If you think my life is long enough to read pages of tedious waffle, you are wrong. Governments are the central committees of the boss class, and exist wholly to guard its interests.

[Flanders]

Flanders - If you think my life is long enough to read pages of tedious waffle, you are wrong. .

To Iolo/Penderyn: I will reduce it to one topic your bumper-sticker mentality might be able to handle:




Frankly, I believe China Joe wants Americans killed by the Taliban. What better way to resurrect the U.N.’s war than on the bodies of a few thousand Americans killed by Muslim terrorists?

In Bidenspeak “ . . . embarrassing the United States military . . .” means let the Taliban kill Americans:


I understand that the commanding general of the 82nd Airborne Division has told the commander of the British special forces at the Kabul airport to cease operations beyond the airport perimeter.

Maj. Gen. Christopher Donahue has told his British Army counterpart, a high-ranking field-grade officer of the British army's 22nd Special Air Service Regiment, that British operations were embarrassing the United States military in the absence of similar U.S. military operations. I understand that the British officer firmly rejected the request.




US general tells British special forces: Stop rescuing people in Kabul, you're making us look bad
by Tom Rogan
August 20, 2021 05:25 PM

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/us-general-tells-british-special-forces-stop-rescuing-people-in-kabul-youre-making-us-look-bad


I am no fan of British foreign policy, but history tells us that professional British soldiers are hard-knockers. They would never standby and watch enemies kill their countrymen à la China Joe Biden’s foreign policy.

p.s. Lafayette —— give us a call:



The French were able to evacuate their citizens and the Afghans who had assisted them, along with their families, safely out of the country.




French Forces Doing Something in Afghanistan that Biden Officials Said Could Not Be Done
Matt Vespa
Posted: Aug 20, 2021 2:25 PM

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/08/20/french-forces-caught-doing-something-biden-officials-said-could-not-be-done-n2594481

[Flanders]

Tucker Carlson crucifies Biden’s supporters because they suddenly realize he is beyond saving.

At the end of the video hear Carlson say “Something else is going on here. We don’t know what it is exactly?”

VIDEO ▼

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6268838671001?playlist_id=5198073478001#sp=show-clips

The global government crowd is losing the United Nations. That is what is happening.



Make no mistake about it, the war in Afghanistan has always been a United Nations war. A military defeat is their defeat.

[Flanders]

Make no mistake about it, the war in Afghanistan has always been a United Nations war. A military defeat is their defeat.


United Nations Security Council resolution 1386, adopted unanimously on 20 December 2001, after reaffirming all resolutions on the situation in Afghanistan, particularly resolutions 1378 (2001) and 1383 (2001), the Council authorised the establishment of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) to assist the Afghan Interim Authority in the maintenance of security in Kabul and surrounding areas. It was the final Security Council resolution adopted in 2001.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1386

Trusted conservative Pat Buchanan blaming NATO for Afghanistan is a ridiculous scapegoat for the United Nations:


In Afghanistan, the mission failure appears complete.

The trillion-dollar project to plant Western democracy in a Muslim nation historically fabled for driving out imperial intruders has crashed and burned after 20 years, and the Taliban are suddenly back in power.

After investing scores of billions in training and arming a force of 350,000 Afghani troops, the U.S. could not stand up an army and a government that could survive our departure.

And the final U.S. departure from Hamid Karzai International Airport may become, like JFK’s Bay of Pigs, a synonym for American debacle.

Nor is the failure ours alone. Many of our principal allies were heavily invested. The British are now attempting to bring their people out of Kabul under the same conditions as ours.

The leader of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s party and possibly the next chancellor of Germany, Armin Laschet, calls the withdrawal “the biggest debacle that NATO has suffered since its founding.”


I never believed a word REPUBLICAN Richard Lugar (1932 – 2019) said about anything:

Remember when they tried and failed to ratify The Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST). Way back when then-Senator Joe Biden, and retired RINO Senator Richard Lugar were pushing for ratifying the LOST. Suffice to say that not one United Nations Treaty is good for the American people. The Senate refusing to ratify the LOST was a gift to the American people.

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?144651-LOST-In-The-South-China-Sea&p=3776133#post3776133


Three decades ago, after the breakup of the USSR and the end of the Cold War, Republican Sen. Richard Lugar said that NATO, having lost the rationale for its existence — containment of the Soviet Union — would now have “to go out of area or go out of business.”

Cynics might say that, in Afghanistan, NATO did both.

After 9/11, “the most successful alliance in history” invoked Article 5 and backed the U.S. war to oust the Taliban and annihilate the Al Qaeda terrorists who had carried out 9/11. Many sent troops.

But there could be worse to come.

While there are about 4,000 U.S. troops at the Kabul airport, U.S. control does not extend beyond the airport perimeter.

When asked if U.S. troops could enter Kabul and extract American citizens, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin replied, “I don’t have the capability to go out and extend operations currently into Kabul.” Americans in Kabul and other cities must make their own way to the Kabul airport.

The U.S. thus depends today upon the sufferance of the Taliban to let the Americans through the gridlocked highway. Many Afghan allies are being impeded and turned back. Having aided our troops during the war, these Afghan allies face murderous reprisals and retribution.

There are other present perils.

A few mortar shells landing on the tarmac of the lone runway at HKIA, and no plane can fly in or out until the runway is repaired. The arrival of troops and supplies, and any daily departure of 5,000 to 9,000 people, would be halted.

If fighting is renewed, the Americans left in Kabul and other cities become hostages to the Taliban. And there are many more out there than the 52 Americans held by Iran in the hostage crisis that ended the presidency of Jimmy Carter.

The U.S. does, however, retain leverage. U.S. airpower can still do damage to the Taliban, and the U.S. can veto any International Monetary Fund money and cut the Taliban’s access to Afghanistan’s financial reserves in U.S. banks.

Without cash, the Taliban will have a hellish time providing for the necessities the country needs to stay viable.

Right now, the Americans and the Taliban need each other. The Taliban need time to consider their control, and the Americans need time to get their people and their Afghan allies out.

Thus, the Taliban are putting on a moderate face at the top level.

Yet, given the character of the Taliban, as revealed in its previous tenure, and the desire for revenge against those who have been killing Taliban comrades, the future looks grim for those left behind.

When Saigon fell in 1975, its armed forces went into re-education camps — concentration camps. Hundreds of thousands of civilians fled on rafts, many to their deaths in the South China Sea. The Cambodians who backed us underwent a genocide, with a fraction of the entire population annihilated by the Khmer Rouge of Pol Pot.

As for the damage done to Joe Biden’s presidency, it is significant and permanent. The collapse of the regime, and the botched withdrawal of U.S. troops, U.S. citizens and Afghan friends and allies, have tarnished any reputation for competence Biden had.

As for Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Mark Milley and Austin, it is hard to see either surviving long in their positions after learning they did not see coming the imminent and worst foreign policy debacle since the fall of Saigon.

Did the U.S. intelligence agencies see it coming? Did they fail to inform the Pentagon or White House?

After the Bay of Pigs in April 1961, former CIA Director Allen Dulles, who had a role in the failed invasion, was, after a decent interval of six months, cashiered.

One imagines that senior Biden officials’ heads will roll well before that date in the Biden administration. For in this disaster, it seems, no one saw it coming so soon, or becoming so sweeping.




Aftermath of an Afghanistan Debacle
August 20, 2021 by Patrick J. Buchanan

https://buchanan.org/blog/aftermath-of-an-afghanistan-debacle-149926

[Iolo/Penderyn]

To Iolo/Penderyn: I will reduce it to one topic your bumper-sticker mentality might be able to handle:




In Bidenspeak “ . . . embarrassing the United States military . . .” means let the Taliban kill Americans:


I understand that the commanding general of the 82nd Airborne Division has told the commander of the British special forces at the Kabul airport to cease operations beyond the airport perimeter.

Maj. Gen. Christopher Donahue has told his British Army counterpart, a high-ranking field-grade officer of the British army's 22nd Special Air Service Regiment, that British operations were embarrassing the United States military in the absence of similar U.S. military operations. I understand that the British officer firmly rejected the request.




US general tells British special forces: Stop rescuing people in Kabul, you're making us look bad
by Tom Rogan
August 20, 2021 05:25 PM

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/us-general-tells-british-special-forces-stop-rescuing-people-in-kabul-youre-making-us-look-bad


I am no fan of British foreign policy, but history tells us that professional British soldiers are hard-knockers. They would never standby and watch enemies kill their countrymen à la China Joe Biden’s foreign policy.

p.s. Lafayette —— give us a call:



The French were able to evacuate their citizens and the Afghans who had assisted them, along with their families, safely out of the country.




French Forces Doing Something in Afghanistan that Biden Officials Said Could Not Be Done
Matt Vespa
Posted: Aug 20, 2021 2:25 PM

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/08/20/french-forces-caught-doing-something-biden-officials-said-could-not-be-done-n2594481


Lay off the pop, kid - it's destroying you.

[Earl]

Lay off the pop, kid - it's destroying you.

Actually, he destroyed you, pendejo...took you behind the barn for an old fashioned thrashing.

[Iolo/Penderyn]

Actually, he destroyed you, pendejo...took you behind the barn for an old fashioned thrashing.

I'm sorry, kid, I don't live in your backwood or share your sadistic fantasies. Sell the farm and use the money to get treatment, you poor sick bugger.

[Earl]

I'm sorry, kid, I don't live in your backwood or share your sadistic fantasies. Sell the farm and use the money to get treatment, you poor sick bugger.

Yes, you live in a filthy country where the goats take over your cities and crap all over them, pendejo.

Goats invade streets of Welsh seaside town again | Reuters.comhttps://www.reuters.com › news › picture › goats-invad...
Feb 22, 2021 — Goats walk down a sidewalk in Llandudno, Wales, Britain February 22, 2021. The herd of Kashmir goats has visited the seaside resort town ...

Get a pooper scooper and clean your filthy streets.

[Iolo/Penderyn]

Yes, you live in a filthy country where the goats take over your cities and crap all over them, pendejo.

Goats invade streets of Welsh seaside town again | Reuters.comhttps://www.reuters.com › news › picture › goats-invad...
Feb 22, 2021 — Goats walk down a sidewalk in Llandudno, Wales, Britain February 22, 2021. The herd of Kashmir goats has visited the seaside resort town ...

Get a pooper scooper and clean your filthy streets.

Aren't you a ludicrous arsehole! If you'd ever had a proper lockdown to deal with your insane death-rate you might well stop bleating, you poor thick bugger! :)

[memorygal]

Aren't you a ludicrous arsehole! If you'd ever had a proper lockdown to deal with your insane death-rate you might well stop bleating, you poor thick bugger! :)

99+% survival rating

[Iolo/Penderyn]

99+% survival rating

Do better with your bang-bangs do you, kid? :)

[memorygal]

Do better with your bang-bangs do you, kid? :)

sorry you can't handle the truth

[Iolo/Penderyn]

sorry you can't handle the truth

Where would you weirdoes find truth, ha'porth? Up Trump's arse, I suppose, in loveland! :)

[MAGA MAN]

Where would you weirdoes find truth, ha'porth? Up Trump's arse, I suppose, in loveland! :)

But Trump!

[memorygal]

Where would you weirdoes find truth, ha'porth? Up Trump's arse, I suppose, in loveland! :)

ahhh look at you still talking about trump... keep deflecting from the fact biden is screwing this country

[Iolo/Penderyn]

ahhh look at you still talking about trump... keep deflecting from the fact biden is screwing this country

He must be unbelievably inventive if he can screw it up further than your Fuhrer managed, altkampfer :)

[memorygal]

He must be unbelievably inventive if he can screw it up further than your Fuhrer managed, altkampfer :)

biden is killing American citizens you POS

[Iolo/Penderyn]

biden is killing American citizens you POS

Well, they kill everybody else, and if they are not killed over there you weirdoes will see them off with your silly bang-bangs. Enjoy, nutter!

[memorygal]

Well, they kill everybody else, and if they are not killed over there you weirdoes will see them off with your silly bang-bangs. Enjoy, nutter!

we shoot our enemies

[Iolo/Penderyn]

we shoot our enemies

Yes - you're always saying how you hate one another, aren't you? Enjoy, Nutter! :)

[memorygal]

Yes - you're always saying how you hate one another, aren't you? Enjoy, Nutter! :)

ok, guess we will let the muslims kill YOU

[Iolo/Penderyn]

ok, guess we will let the muslims kill YOU

Dammo there's a change then! When did any of you racist shits give a twopenny for anyone but your fat, squalid selves, you third-rate Goebbels-imitation! :)

[memorygal]

Dammo there's a change then! When did any of you racist shits give a twopenny for anyone but your fat, squalid selves, you third-rate Goebbels-imitation! :)

sad you just don't get it... liberals are the cowards here

[Earl]

Dammo there's a change then! When did any of you racist shits give a twopenny for anyone but your fat, squalid selves, you third-rate Goebbels-imitation! :)

Clean the goat mierda from your filthy streets, pendejo.

Why do you live in squalor?

[Iolo/Penderyn]

sad you just don't get it... liberals are the cowards here

Well, they can hardly be any worse than you grovelling arse-lickers, surely? The American Dream: Fuhrer Trumpf's enormous arse! :)

[Iolo/Penderyn]

Clean the goat mierda from your filthy streets, pendejo.

Why do you live in squalor?

Lend me your flabby face then, shithouse-mop.

[memorygal]

Well, they can hardly be any worse than you grovelling arse-lickers, surely? The American Dream: Fuhrer Trumpf's enormous arse! :)

ahhh look at you talking about your idol the Fuhrer

[Iolo/Penderyn]

ahhh look at you talking about your idol the Fuhrer

Your idol, kid - My Father was on a Hitler death list - as I expect I am on a trumper one. Lucky you buggers can't read maps or swim the Atlantic with bang-bangs in your big mouths! :)

[memorygal]

Your idol, kid - My Father was on a Hitler death list - as I expect I am on a trumper one. Lucky you buggers can't read maps or swim the Atlantic with bang-bangs in your big mouths! :)

you father was an SS officer

[Lionfish]

https://www.1911addicts.com/attachments/a-jpg.808143/

[Iolo/Penderyn]

you father was an SS officer

Church in Wales parson, actually. Big pacifist. :)

[memorygal]

Church in Wales parson, actually. Big pacifist. :)

ah so he was an SS spy

[Iolo/Penderyn]

ah so he was an SS spy

Hardly, kid, but you poor benighted buggers don't understand politics, do you? Never mind - perhaps the Russians will tell you about it when you grow up! :)

[memorygal]

Hardly, kid, but you poor benighted buggers don't understand politics, do you? Never mind - perhaps the Russians will tell you about it when you grow up! :)

stay on your side of the pond wanker

[Iolo/Penderyn]

stay on your side of the pond wanker

Jesus wept! Do you really think I'd want to go over there with all those racist gunmen and no health Service? You are out of your tiny mind, kiddo! :) It came up as a possiblility years ago when I was thinking about my Ph.D. I looked into the details and it gave me the extreme horrors.

[memorygal]

Jesus wept! Do you really think I'd want to go over there with all those racist gunmen and no health Service? You are out of your tiny mind, kiddo! :)

I have great health insurance... and yes I own and carry guns. Sorry you are still so pissed off we beat your asses back in the 1700's

[Iolo/Penderyn]

I have great health insurance... and yes I own and carry guns. Sorry you are still so pissed off we beat your asses back in the 1700's

The French beat us over there, momentarily, backing a lot of illiterate peasants such as your goodself, who wanted to avoid their taxes by treason. Why not use your bang-bang and see if you can actually aim well enough to shoot your ludicrous self? I'm sure you have lots of funeral insurance too! Clowntown chugs on, eh?

[memorygal]

The French beat us over there, momentarily, backing a lot of illiterate peasants such as your goodself, who wanted to avoid their taxes by treason. Why not use your bang-bang and see if you can actually aim well enough to shoot your ludicrous self? I'm sure you have lots of funeral insurance too! Clowntown chugs on, eh?

Americans beat you wanker brits

[Iolo/Penderyn]

Americans beat you wanker brits

You, evidently, are one of those right-wing American intellectuals. What a gift for persuasive argument! Awesome! :)

[memorygal]

You, evidently, are one of those right-wing American intellectuals. What a gift for persuasive argument! Awesome! :)

keep crying, also... we Americans had to save you damn brits from two world wars

[Iolo/Penderyn]

keep crying, also... we Americans had to save you damn brits from two world wars

When was that then? Been kept from us, kid, but of course we were busy doing the actual fighting. I seem to recollect you joined late in both cases, for profit.

[memorygal]

When was that then? Been kept from us, kid, but of course we were busy doing the actual fighting. I seem to recollect you joined late in both cases, for profit.

we saved your asses

[Iolo/Penderyn]

we saved your asses

Well, I suppose our donkeys would have appealed to your sex-instincts when you'd managed to avoid any nasty fighting. Thank God for Stalingrad, eh?