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Irish
06-07-2020, 11:35 AM
All we hear from the media and leftist celebrities is POLICE REFORM!

But mayybe, just mayybe, if we had a little reform in the black community, we wouldn't have so many instances of police interaction and thus less bad interactions.

First and foremost, the BC needs to stop having kids out of wedlock. 77% are born out of wedlock. Fatherless households is the single greatest problem, not only int he BC but in ALL communities!

The destruction of the family, done by the left, is what is seriously hurting the black community. Without a father at home to help keep adolescent teens in line, off drugs, in school, and out of gangs, they have little chance.

Statistics prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt. Kids that come from 2 parent homes, succeed exponentially better than kids with fatherless homes.

Black men make up something like 6% of the population, but account for 41% of all homicides. This can be traced back to the out of wedlock/fatherless homes.

How did we get here? Back in 1965 the Johnson administration (DEMOCRAT) start massive welfare programs know as the "great society." They had the exact opposite effect. They completely destroyed the family structure, especially in the black community. They basically traded out the father, for the govt. And the govt is a TERRIBLE dad.

Yes the govt can buy you groceries and get you HC for your kids, but it is lousy at teaching children discipline, moral values, civic duties, history of the US, respect for authority, etc.

This creates a vicious cycle repeated by generation after generation. Leads to many black youth in gangs, out of schools, and in prisons.

How does the black community escape? Stop having kids out of wedlock. No kids until you are married with a stable job and income. This alone would fix about 80% of problems.

Next would be welfare reforms so people aren't dependent on gov, and having their lives ruined.

I will be called a racist by JPP leftists, but its an irony, because I am actually trying to help the black community. The left is trying to make excuses and manufacture crises and problems that don't exist. All so they can keep blacks down, and voting for their phony socialist solutions.

Irish
06-09-2020, 11:56 AM
No one wanted to touch this one. Heh Not PC, I get it.

volsrock
06-09-2020, 12:01 PM
All we hear from the media and leftist celebrities is POLICE REFORM!

But mayybe, just mayybe, if we had a little reform in the black community, we wouldn't have so many instances of police interaction and thus less bad interactions.

First and foremost, the BC needs to stop having kids out of wedlock. 77% are born out of wedlock. Fatherless households is the single greatest problem, not only int he BC but in ALL communities!

The destruction of the family, done by the left, is what is seriously hurting the black community. Without a father at home to help keep adolescent teens in line, off drugs, in school, and out of gangs, they have little chance.

Statistics prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt. Kids that come from 2 parent homes, succeed exponentially better than kids with fatherless homes.

Black men make up something like 6% of the population, but account for 41% of all homicides. This can be traced back to the out of wedlock/fatherless homes.

How did we get here? Back in 1965 the Johnson administration (DEMOCRAT) start massive welfare programs know as the "great society." They had the exact opposite effect. They completely destroyed the family structure, especially in the black community. They basically traded out the father, for the govt. And the govt is a TERRIBLE dad.

Yes the govt can buy you groceries and get you HC for your kids, but it is lousy at teaching children discipline, moral values, civic duties, history of the US, respect for authority, etc.

This creates a vicious cycle repeated by generation after generation. Leads to many black youth in gangs, out of schools, and in prisons.

How does the black community escape? Stop having kids out of wedlock. No kids until you are married with a stable job and income. This alone would fix about 80% of problems.

Next would be welfare reforms so people aren't dependent on gov, and having their lives ruined.

I will be called a racist by JPP leftists, but its an irony, because I am actually trying to help the black community. The left is trying to make excuses and manufacture crises and problems that don't exist. All so they can keep blacks down, and voting for their phony socialist solutions.

:dasracist:

cawacko
06-09-2020, 12:06 PM
All we hear from the media and leftist celebrities is POLICE REFORM!

But mayybe, just mayybe, if we had a little reform in the black community, we wouldn't have so many instances of police interaction and thus less bad interactions.

First and foremost, the BC needs to stop having kids out of wedlock. 77% are born out of wedlock. Fatherless households is the single greatest problem, not only int he BC but in ALL communities!

The destruction of the family, done by the left, is what is seriously hurting the black community. Without a father at home to help keep adolescent teens in line, off drugs, in school, and out of gangs, they have little chance.

Statistics prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt. Kids that come from 2 parent homes, succeed exponentially better than kids with fatherless homes.

Black men make up something like 6% of the population, but account for 41% of all homicides. This can be traced back to the out of wedlock/fatherless homes.

How did we get here? Back in 1965 the Johnson administration (DEMOCRAT) start massive welfare programs know as the "great society." They had the exact opposite effect. They completely destroyed the family structure, especially in the black community. They basically traded out the father, for the govt. And the govt is a TERRIBLE dad.

Yes the govt can buy you groceries and get you HC for your kids, but it is lousy at teaching children discipline, moral values, civic duties, history of the US, respect for authority, etc.

This creates a vicious cycle repeated by generation after generation. Leads to many black youth in gangs, out of schools, and in prisons.

How does the black community escape? Stop having kids out of wedlock. No kids until you are married with a stable job and income. This alone would fix about 80% of problems.

Next would be welfare reforms so people aren't dependent on gov, and having their lives ruined.

I will be called a racist by JPP leftists, but its an irony, because I am actually trying to help the black community. The left is trying to make excuses and manufacture crises and problems that don't exist. All so they can keep blacks down, and voting for their phony socialist solutions.

Did you read JD Vance's Hillbilly Elegy by chance? He basically wrote about what's wrong with the Appalachian whites and why have they had generational poverty etc. Not being from the area or knowing anyone who lives there it was eye opening to me. But it mirrors what you are asking, what is in the culture that keeps these folks the way they are so to speak.

Darth Omar
06-09-2020, 12:07 PM
No one wanted to touch this one. Heh Not PC, I get it.

They know it’s true.

Grokmaster
06-09-2020, 12:08 PM
Did you read JD Vance's Hillbilly Elegy by chance? He basically wrote about what's wrong with the Appalachian whites and why have they had generational poverty etc. Not being from the area or knowing anyone who lives there it was eye opening to me. But it mirrors what you are asking, what is in the culture that keeps these folks the way they are so to speak.

APPALACHIAN WHITES ARE NOT GUNNING THEMSLEVES DOWN EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK, ARE THEY?

cawacko
06-09-2020, 12:10 PM
APPALACHIAN WHITES ARE NOT GUNNING THEMSLEVES DOWN EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK, ARE THEY?

So multi-generational poverty, living on welfare etc is all fine as long as they aren't killing each other?

BartenderElite
06-09-2020, 12:12 PM
We spend gazillions on a defense budget that is based on an outdated strategy, and education gets the scraps.

Our national priorities - as expressed by budgetary allocations - need a serious reexamination.

Bigdog
06-09-2020, 12:13 PM
Did you read JD Vance's Hillbilly Elegy by chance? He basically wrote about what's wrong with the Appalachian whites and why have they had generational poverty etc. Not being from the area or knowing anyone who lives there it was eye opening to me. But it mirrors what you are asking, what is in the culture that keeps these folks the way they are so to speak.

I have not read the book.

People used to abandon mining ghost towns. Now the gov't pays them if they stay. There is no incentive to leave and get a job somewhere else.

Bigdog
06-09-2020, 12:17 PM
We spend gazillions on a defense budget that is based on an outdated strategy, and education gets the scraps.

Our national priorities - as expressed by budgetary allocations - need a serious reexamination.

Bullshit.

Baltimore city spends more per student than almost any other city. 13 Baltimore city high schools had ZERO students proficient in math. But you can't fire any of the teachers because of the gov't Union.

Fucking whtie libs don't give a fuck about our Black children. :barf:

Irish
06-09-2020, 12:18 PM
:dasracist:

I know, we are only allowed to blame whitey. But the funny thing is, my reforms would actually help the black community.

All the police reform in the world isn't going to do shit, if the underlying problems are met.

cawacko
06-09-2020, 12:19 PM
I have not read the book.

People used to abandon mining ghost towns. Now the gov't pays them if they stay. There is no incentive to leave and get a job somewhere else.

It was a hell of a book. The author is a Republican and he grew up in poverty there and spoke about his experiences and what he saw. So it's not a diversion from speaking about the black community rather it's an example of the same discussion being had in an area of white poverty.

Irish
06-09-2020, 12:21 PM
Did you read JD Vance's Hillbilly Elegy by chance? He basically wrote about what's wrong with the Appalachian whites and why have they had generational poverty etc. Not being from the area or knowing anyone who lives there it was eye opening to me. But it mirrors what you are asking, what is in the culture that keeps these folks the way they are so to speak.

Is this supposed to be a whataboutism post?

This community isn't out rioting and demanding defunding of police, because they disproportionately have interactions with them.

BartenderElite
06-09-2020, 12:21 PM
Bullshit.

Baltimore city spends more per student than almost any other city. 13 Baltimore city high schools had ZERO students proficient in math. But you can't fire any of the teachers because of the gov't Union.

Fucking whtie libs don't give a fuck about our Black children. :barf:

So, you're comparing a bad budget to other bad budgets? In some districts, teachers have to buy some of their own supplies.

Like policing, we need to do an overhaul of how we approach education. Also like policing, I would agree that unions can get in the way rather than help at times.

What we're doing isn't working. That's why we elect people - to fix things that aren't working. If they don't fix those things, we need to elect other people.

Irish
06-09-2020, 12:24 PM
We spend gazillions on a defense budget that is based on an outdated strategy, and education gets the scraps.

Our national priorities - as expressed by budgetary allocations - need a serious reexamination.

Defense is out of date? We have China and Russia, NK/IRAN constantly at our throats. Cutting defense would allow China and Russia to expand their empires. We are the only thing containing them.

Throwing more money at education isn't the problem. Holding teachers accountable and getting rid of public unions is.

School of choice has been a major success. As well as charter schools.

Bigdog
06-09-2020, 12:27 PM
So, you're comparing a bad budget to other bad budgets? In some districts, teachers have to buy some of their own supplies.

Like policing, we need to do an overhaul of how we approach education. Also like policing, I would agree that unions can get in the way rather than help at times.

What we're doing isn't working. That's why we elect people - to fix things that aren't working. If they don't fix those things, we need to elect other people.

No, Baltimore city is ranked 3rd in the nation for highest spending per student.

The inner cities have been electing progressive politicians for 50 years. WTF?

As Malcom X said, the White lib is the most dangerous, the most deceitful, the most heinous. :barf:

Irish
06-09-2020, 12:27 PM
They know it’s true.

The truth hurts. Some can't handle the truth.

Many people rather go to their safe spaces than hear the truth. Or listen to SJW's and Corrupt dem politicians lies, than hear the truth.

cawacko
06-09-2020, 12:27 PM
Is this supposed to be a whataboutism post?

This community isn't out rioting and demanding defunding of police, because they disproportionately have interactions with them.

Not at all. Like I said, it's about the discussion you're saying needs to be had just for a different group.

Irish
06-09-2020, 12:28 PM
No, Baltimore city is ranked 3rd in the nation for highest spending per student.

The inner cities have been electing progressive politicians for 50 years. WTF?

As Malcom X said, the White lib is the most dangerous, the most deceitful, the most heinous. :barf:

The definition of insanity. Trying the same thing over and over again.

Bigdog
06-09-2020, 12:29 PM
It was a hell of a book. The author is a Republican and he grew up in poverty there and spoke about his experiences and what he saw. So it's not a diversion from speaking about the black community rather it's an example of the same discussion being had in an area of white poverty.

So what was the author's conclusion?

Irish
06-09-2020, 12:30 PM
Not at all. Like I said, it's about the discussion you're saying needs to be had just for a different group.

I see what you're saying. And like I said in the OP, ALL communities benefit from 2 parent households.

In fact, black kids that have 2 parents fair better than whie kids with 1 parent households.

cawacko
06-09-2020, 12:49 PM
So what was the author's conclusion?

My recollection is he was big on personal responsibility and the lack thereof among people he saw. He also blamed the culture. And if you see some of the reviews of the book there were many people from there who took offense to what he wrote. And it's probably not all that dissimilar to how black feel when white people critique and criticize their culture. It doesn't necessarily mean the critiques are wrong but it's human nature that people are defensive of their own.

volsrock
06-09-2020, 01:59 PM
because one group in America that does not know how to act and obey the law we have to cut police budgets that affect everyone

Bigdog
06-09-2020, 02:16 PM
My recollection is he was big on personal responsibility and the lack thereof among people he saw. He also blamed the culture. And if you see some of the reviews of the book there were many people from there who took offense to what he wrote. And it's probably not all that dissimilar to how black feel when white people critique and criticize their culture. It doesn't necessarily mean the critiques are wrong but it's human nature that people are defensive of their own.

Culture? ... that is quite vague to me.

If they lack personal responsibility, then who feeds, clothes, houses, and provides medicine to them?

Celticguy
06-09-2020, 02:22 PM
No one wanted to touch this one. Heh Not PC, I get it.

Bill Cosby tried. Now hes in prison.

volsrock
06-09-2020, 02:23 PM
Culture? ... that is quite vague to me.

If they lack personal responsibility, then who feeds, clothes, houses, and provides medicine to them?

Tax payers.. mostly the whites...without whites in America the black here would end up like third world parts of Africa

christiefan915
06-10-2020, 04:19 PM
Bullshit.

Baltimore city spends more per student than almost any other city. 13 Baltimore city high schools had ZERO students proficient in math. But you can't fire any of the teachers because of the gov't Union.

Fucking whtie libs don't give a fuck about our Black children. :barf:


What have white cons ever done for black children? Besides calling them affirmative action, lazy, sucking on the government teat, fatherless, low-intelligence thieves and killers, I mean.

Charoite
06-10-2020, 04:28 PM
That's great. Now all of you that want to blame it on black communities can put your money where your mouths are by throwing your tax refunds into a hat for black communities.

Bigdog
06-10-2020, 04:30 PM
Tax payers.. mostly the whites...without whites in America the black here would end up like third world parts of Africa

No, Black Americans were becoming successful, despite the Socialists' Jim Crow, before the Left's welfare state, which destroyed fatherhood.

The White libs targeted Black families for destruction first, because they were the most vulnerable.

It is single mothers, of all races, that receive the majority of State welfare.

Bobb
06-10-2020, 04:40 PM
African Americans have tiny brains and high hormone levels. If blacks are ever going to be anything, whites have to do all the work for them. Duh. Democrats get this. Why don't you racist Republicans understand?

StoneByStone
06-10-2020, 04:55 PM
No one wanted to touch this one. Heh Not PC, I get it.

You should only know how PC you sound.

Irish
06-10-2020, 06:38 PM
You should only know how PC you sound.

What's that mean?

StoneByStone
06-10-2020, 06:48 PM
What's that mean?

Instead of accepting that multiracialism doesn't work, you're taking the more PC path, which is to say that the black community just has cultural problems that can be fixed. It's like when Republicans say the reason black communities are in shambles is because of Democrats and Identity Politics. As if that somehow explains why virtually every black community around the world is like that.
It's not much different from Democrats who say the problem is White Supremacy.

Irish
06-10-2020, 06:54 PM
Instead of accepting that multiracialism doesn't work, you're taking the more PC path, which is to say that the black community just has cultural problems that can be fixed. It's like when Republicans say the reason black communities are in shambles is because of Democrats and Identity Politics. As if that somehow explains why virtually every black community around the world is like that.
It's not much different from Democrats who say the problem is White Supremacy.

Yes. I've been arguing its a cultural problem for years.

Europeans and Asians come from pride/shame cultures. European Chivalry and Asian Bushido code's, etc. These cultures put a lot of shame on you if you do something illegal. Weather you get caught or not the individual will feel ashamed to himself and family.

Black, Latinos, and ME's don't come from such societies. IF they steal a bike or candy from a shop it doesn't even bother them because they haven't been taught that there is anything shameful or morally wrong with it.

Further they are told they are products of racism, etc, so they feel justified in doing bad or illegal activities.

StoneByStone
06-10-2020, 07:02 PM
Black, Latinos, and ME's don't come from such societies. IF they steal a bike or candy from a shop it doesn't even bother them because they haven't been taught that there is anything shameful or morally wrong with it.

That's not true at all. In fact, the laws are often stricter in Africa, Latin America, and the Middle East.


Further they are told they are products of racism, etc, so they feel justified in doing bad or illegal activities.

So what's the excuse for the black communities outside of America?

AProudLefty
06-10-2020, 07:12 PM
I always say this: eliminate the War on Drugs. And you'll see the problem disappear overnight.

Irish
06-10-2020, 08:39 PM
I always say this: eliminate the War on Drugs. And you'll see the problem disappear overnight.

What problem? I am for most of legalization.

AProudLefty
06-10-2020, 08:42 PM
What problem? I am for most of legalization.

Drug wars and violence.

Irish
06-10-2020, 08:51 PM
That's not true at all. In fact, the laws are often stricter in Africa, Latin America, and the Middle East.



So what's the excuse for the black communities outside of America?

They have to be stricter because they don't have shame societies.

The excuse is their culture.

StoneByStone
06-10-2020, 08:59 PM
They have to be stricter because they don't have shame societies.

The excuse is their culture.

So they don't believe that crime is ok. They do believe it's immoral, that's why they have those strict laws.