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Beefy
08-03-2008, 12:43 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/02/anthrax.suspect/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- An anthrax researcher who committed suicide Tuesday had threatened his therapist and recently outlined a plan to kill his co-workers, according to audiotape of court testimony.


Biodefense researcher Bruce E. Ivins, seen here in 2003, died from an apparent suicide Tuesday.

Therapist Jean C. Duley testified on July 24 that Bruce E. Ivins described a "detailed homicidal plan" to kill his co-workers after learning he was going to be indicted on capital murder charges.

Sources told CNN that prosecutors might have sought the death penalty against Ivins, who killed himself after learning he was going to be charged in the 2001 anthrax mailings.

Five people died and dozens more became ill after letters containing the anthrax bacteria were sent to congressional offices and media organizations soon after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Duley testified that Ivins had been diagnosed as a "sociopathic, homicidal killer" by several top psychiatrists.

During a recent group therapy session, Ivins said he had bought a bullet-proof vest and obtained a gun after learning of the pending charges, Duley said.

"He was going to go out in a blaze of glory," testified Duley, who said that Ivins also threatened her.

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Frederick County District Judge W. Milnor Roberts issued a temporary protective order on July 24, ordering Ivins to not to contact Duley and to stay away from her workplace.

He was due in court Thursday.

Two sources familiar with the investigation said that on Tuesday, the day Ivins died, lawyers were to meet and discuss a possible plea deal for him. Watch a report on the researcher and the investigation »

The meeting took place between prosecutors and a defense attorney even after authorities learned of Ivins' death, one of the sources told CNN on Saturday.

It is unknow what was discussed. But sources said some of the government's key scientific evidence was going to be shown to Ivins' attorney at the meeting, which had been scheduled for some time.

Neither the Justice Department nor defense lawyer Paul Kemp would comment.

On Friday, sources told CNN that prosecutors might have sought the death penalty for Ivins' role in the anthrax mailings. They could not confirm a report published Saturday in The Washington Post that part of the proposed deal would take the death penalty off the table.

Ivins worked for decades in the U.S. Army Medical Institute of Infectious Diseases' biodefense lab at Fort Detrick, Maryland. He was trying to develop a stronger vaccine against the deadly anthrax toxin.

The FBI had traced the anthrax used in the attacks to the lab using a new genetic technology, a U.S. official familiar with the investigation said.

The Ames strain of the anthrax spore that was used in the 2001 attacks was commonly used in U.S. government labs. Scientists said creating a "weapons grade" form of anthrax is a complex process requiring extensive professional expertise.

Authorities were looking at whether Ivins may have released anthrax as a way to test a vaccine he was working on, another official said.

Kemp, who said his firm had represented him for more than a year, said he was disappointed that Ivins "will not have the opportunity to defend his good name."

"For six years, Dr. Ivins fully cooperated with that investigation, assisting the government in every way that was asked of him," Kemp said.

Kemp said Ivins was innocent and blamed his death on the investigation.

"The relentless pressure of accusation and innuendo takes its toll in different ways on different people, as has already been seen in this investigation," Kemp said. "In Dr. Ivins' case, it led to his untimely death."

Early in the investigation, then-Attorney General John Ashcroft publicly identified former civilian anthrax researcher Steven Hatfill as a "person of interest" in the investigation.

Hatfill, who also worked at the biodefense lab at Fort Detrick, denied involvement and sued the Justice Department for violating his privacy by leaking his name to the media in connection with the investigation.

The department settled in June with Hatfill, who is to receive a one-time payment of $2.8 million and $150,000 a year for life.



Other scientists who worked at government laboratories said they, too, came under unwarranted suspicion.

The FBI had at least two dozen agents working the case as of two years ago, conducting more than 9,000 interviews, but investigators told CNN in 2006 the case had gone cold.


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It doesn't pass the smell test for me.

Mott the Hoople
08-03-2008, 06:12 AM
Shouldn't you be asking this in the conspiracy theory section?

Care4all
08-03-2008, 08:15 AM
yes, it sounds a tad too mystery novelish to me....

for several reasons that do not necessarily put this in to the conspiracy theory area immediately....for one this is current news and there are still many questions left unanswered.

and second, i saw a reporter that followed this case from 2001 that said this scientist only worked with LIQUID antrax, so how he all of a sudden had access to powdered antrax did not make sense to her....as of yet.

thirdly, i have read books regarding psychiatrists on the take with the gvt to make people appear crazy that are not....granted those were fiction, but the thought still lingers in my head....mainly because the psychologist is just telling everything and ALL so EASILY regarding his or her own PATIENT in to the media and fbi etc seems JUST WRONG, UNETHICAL for a Doctor and patient confidentiality.....

something is amiss...???

care

FUCK THE POLICE
08-03-2008, 10:31 AM
Why do people always get so stressed whenever they're accused of capital murder?

Crashk
08-03-2008, 11:48 AM
nothing to see here folks, move along, case closed, move along.

yea right.

evince
08-03-2008, 07:40 PM
Just like David Kelly jumped off a building.

NOVA
08-03-2008, 07:55 PM
He obviously knew the "black helicopters" were on the way to fire missiles at his home or Cheney was on his way to waterboard him and his family......so...
he decided to take the easy way out....
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morons

uscitizen
08-03-2008, 07:58 PM
They were microwaving him.

evince
08-03-2008, 08:00 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201632.html?hpid=topnews

His fellow scientists have a few questions about the whole mess.

NOVA
08-03-2008, 08:01 PM
Just like David Kelly jumped off a building.

Yeah...that was Cheney too....with the aid of Tony Blair....pushed the dude off the roof.....

NOVA
08-03-2008, 08:03 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201632.html?hpid=topnews

His fellow scientists have a few questions about the whole mess.

Well, they won't see Christmas if I know Bush and his secret Army of assassins.

evince
08-03-2008, 08:44 PM
Kinda makes scientists not want to work for the government huh?

Beefy
08-03-2008, 08:49 PM
Well, they won't see Christmas if I know Bush and his secret Army of assassins.

You're unable to think clearly anyhow. Your opinion is akin to the opinion of an eggplant, only less intelligent.

You sure trust your beloved government quite a bit for a (LOL) "Conservative".

Unlike you, I distrust government inherently, and when shit with this many red flags on it pops up, it doesn't pass the smell test.

Good to know though, that you find the government to be honest, objective, and to be doing a great job! Maybe since it is doing so great, it should continually get bigger and bigger!

Retard.

Beefy
08-03-2008, 08:50 PM
Kinda makes scientists not want to work for the government huh?

Fuckinay right shrubbie. Bravongaloid doesn't get it though.

evince
08-03-2008, 08:59 PM
Hes a braindead troll from a site I used to frequent. He is in a no fact zone.

Socrtease
08-04-2008, 10:34 AM
Soooo, let me get this straight, the guy they THOUGHT was the anthrax-o-gram sender was not and they had to pay him 5.8 million dollars of taxpayer money for their fuck up and NOW they want me to believe they got the RIGHT guy when everyone he works for says, "Wow that doesn't sound let him at all." Put this on top of the Richard Jewell case and the FBI doesn't have the greatest track record on these high profile cases. Christ if that Pro-life poster boy Eric Rudolph had not planted two more bombs they probably would NEVER have linked the Olympic Bombing to Rudolph.

Chapdog
08-04-2008, 10:36 AM
of course it does. They make is to blatantly obvious now adays. remember the prostitute with all the Washington names? where did she go?

Epicurus
08-04-2008, 10:41 AM
of course it does. They make is to blatantly obvious now adays. remember the prostitute with all the Washington names? where did she go?

That's what this reminded me of.

That one was an undeniable hit job. Only a fucking moron would think otherwise.

evince
08-04-2008, 10:49 AM
Its wild how many people they accuse end up "killing themselves".

NOVA
08-04-2008, 11:14 AM
Laura Bush could have slipped the poor dude some Tylenol when his back was turned....
no doubt about it.....just where was she and how did she get there? desh and beefy (and various other lunatics), want to know...... is she part of a government hit squad???
We deserve the truth....

Crashk
08-04-2008, 11:25 AM
nothing to see here folks, case closed. if you want the truth just watch fox news tonite, they'll tell you what you need to know, and you'd better believe it or else...

evince
08-04-2008, 11:30 AM
Laura Bush could have slipped the poor dude some Tylenol when his back was turned....
no doubt about it.....just where was she and how did she get there? desh and beefy (and various other lunatics), want to know...... is she part of a government hit squad???
We deserve the truth....

Where was this man when he killed himself?

What drug did he kill himself with?

NOVA
08-04-2008, 11:41 AM
Beefy asks,
"Does this smell funny to anyone else"? I don't know what he smells, BUT,

Actually, I have noticed a funny odor of late....smells alot like B. O. .... lmao

evince
08-04-2008, 12:12 PM
You cant even answer those basic questions about this "suicide" can you Bravo?

LadyT
08-04-2008, 01:23 PM
The entire thing just doesn't seem right from start to finish.