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kudzu
11-18-2018, 01:01 PM
Religious Racism: Texas Church Argues There's a Biblical Precedent for Strict Racial Segregation


The curse of Ham,” an old-time Biblical (mis)interpretation used to vilify black people and justify slavery and laws against racial intermarriage, is still alive and spreading bigotry in the United States.

The Appleby Baptist Church in Nacogdoches, Texas, is among this country’s scattered, independent fundamentalist churches still openly promoting the idea that the Biblical Noah pronounced a curse on descendants of his son, Ham. Ham had sexually molested Noah as he slept in a drunken stupor, and Noah realized it, the story goes.

The curse ultimately fell on Canaan, Noah’s grandson, whose descendants were black and fated to be an underclass of slaves, according to this version of the Bible, which has been widely discredited by mainstream religious scholars.

But the canard is trumpeted loud and clear in an online statement of conviction by Appleby leaders. The East Texas church, 90 miles from Shreveport, La., is “a bit of a throwback, but these people are still out there,” Rachel Tabachnick, a fellow at the think tank Political Research Associates, told Hatewatch. She researches the impact of the religious right on politics and society.

For hundreds of years, the so-called curse of Ham was frequently taught by religious leaders as the source for racial differences, and in more recent times was seized on as a Biblical excuse for segregation and slavery, said Tabachnick. “There’s been a shift, and you don’t often see churches that are this forthright now, but the underlying theme is still there in fundamentalist holdout churches.”

The Appleby church, whose pastor could not immediately be reached for comment, proclaims a litany of racist beliefs on its website: The black descendants of Ham like fair-skinned women, of course. And “the proof of the presence of God among the Israelites was the absence of the black skinned folk of Canaan … It is obvious God is a separator, not a mixer. It is God who set the boundaries.”

And who’s in favor of the races mixing? The church knows: “Satan wants to eliminate color by interracial marriages. Someone will ask why do we have to see color when we look at one another? Why can’t we just see each other as people? The same reason you see a Poodle, German Shepherd, Beagle, etc. God made us different and set the bounds. You don’t get thoroughbreds by taking the fences down. You get thoroughbreds by putting the fences up.”


In case you don’t get the meta-message about thoroughbreds versus mongrels, the church’s statement mangles a Biblical passage in Matthew in which a Canaanite woman pleads with Christ on behalf of her daughter, who is assumed by the Appleby church to be black. “Christ terms her people as dogs,” the church says. “‘It is not meet to take the children’s bread and cast it to dogs.’ … Unlike modern day blacks yelling about equal rights, this woman humbles herself and says ‘Truth Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from the master’s table.’”

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https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/religious-racism-texas-church-argues-theres-biblical-precedent-strict-racial

kudzu
11-18-2018, 01:03 PM
The bottom line: Why don’t blacks know their place? Read the Bible!

Hewing to an extreme fundamentalist principle, Appleby condemns ancient Hebrews for “immorality, idolatry, and interracial marriages.” We’re seeing the punishment to this day, it insists. “Interracial relationships bring much heartache. … Before the coming of Christ, there will be many more half-breed producing marriages that will, in turn, produce more hate and envy against what the Lord has commanded.”

In case you wondered where the love of Christ fits in with all this, the church has an answer: “In Salvation, ‘There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.’ In salvation, there is no difference, but when it comes to marriage, there is.”

Finally, for proponents of our 13th Amendment, the church helpfully reminds us that slavery is fine with God. “The New Testament does not condemn slavery,” it says. “What it does condemn is the misuse of a slave.”

Although such overt racism is certainly waning in fundamentalist Christianity, especially in the Southern Baptist Convention (which now has a black president for the first time), Tabachnick worries about remaining outposts.


And there’s great concern about the increased teaching of Biblical literalism to thousands of U.S. children. Homeschooling is on the upswing, and public dollars are flowing into private schools through vouchers and corporate tax credit programs, she points out. In textbooks used by students in these programs “some of the foundations for the Biblical justification of racism and slavery are still being widely taught,” Tabachnick said.

So the same seeds of hatred proudly displayed by Appleby and an unknown number of other independent fundamentalist churches are scattering, planted to grow in coming generations.

Grugore
11-18-2018, 01:26 PM
Perhaps you could point out the Scripture that supports such an argument. I assure you it does not exist. People can say what they want. But if it is not supported by Scripture, it should be ignored.

kudzu
11-18-2018, 01:28 PM
Perhaps you could point out the Scripture that supports such an argument. I assure you it does not exist. People can say what they want. But if it is not supported by Scripture, it should be ignored.

You have never read the Bible, have you?

Gen. 9:20–27

evince
11-18-2018, 01:31 PM
read the red words


what Jesus is claimed to have said

Its second hand so care must be taken

read at least most of what he is purported to have said

then use the brain that exists in your head

and the Love that you can muster for others


Jesus was all about love and fairness


Jesus would be very upset with someone USING his intent to harm others

kudzu
11-18-2018, 01:39 PM
read the red words


what Jesus is claimed to have said

Its second hand so care must be taken

read at least most of what he is purported to have said

then use the brain that exists in your head

and the Love that you can muster for others


Jesus was all about love and fairness


Jesus would be very upset with someone USING his intent to harm others


Genesis 9:20-27 King James Version (KJV)

20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:

21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.

22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

26 And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

evince
11-18-2018, 01:43 PM
Genesis 9:20-27 King James Version (KJV)

20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:

21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.

22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

26 And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

creepy stuff

kudzu
11-18-2018, 01:46 PM
creepy stuff

Well, yes, but in fact all three Abrahamic religions thought that blacks should be enslaved.

evince
11-18-2018, 01:51 PM
one of the many reasons organized religion was never appealing to me

jimmymccready
11-18-2018, 02:57 PM
I know Appleby well, and I have known some of the folks there for thirty years.

Nice folks until you talk about religion and race. Then their voices go up and squeak and their eyes role in their heads.

Many of them are End Timers. They are fanatical about Revelation and study it as fervently as the kooks who used to listen to Beatles songs backwards and derive certain meanings.

The best way to handle them is that when the loony talk starts is to drive into Nacogdoches and get a beer.

kudzu
11-18-2018, 03:13 PM
I know Appleby well, and I have known some of the folks there for thirty years.

Nice folks until you talk about religion and race. Then their voices go up and squeak and their eyes role in their heads.

Many of them are End Timers. They are fanatical about Revelation and study it as fervently as the kooks who used to listen to Beatles songs backwards and derive certain meanings.

The best way to handle them is that when the loony talk starts is to drive into Nacogdoches and get a beer.


Wow.. and in this day and age......

jimmymccready
11-18-2018, 04:36 PM
Hey, they are nice people, but . . .

Mott the Hoople
11-18-2018, 05:07 PM
Hey, they are nice people, but . . .When I was in high school I never could get my head around the holocaust. How could a people lay down common sense and murder millions of innocent people? I just couldn’t get my head around that.

Then in the middle of my senior year my father moved us to a rural county in Ohio. The area is mostly populated by German Catholics who immigrated to the region in the mid 19th Century. After getting to know them for a year I understood how something like the holocaust could happen.

PostmodernProphet
11-18-2018, 05:07 PM
You have never read the Bible, have you?

Gen. 9:20–27

atheists and extreme fundamentalists have a lot in common when it comes to interpreting scripture......

PostmodernProphet
11-18-2018, 05:09 PM
Well, yes, but in fact all three Abrahamic religions thought that blacks should be enslaved.

slavery was the birthchild of god-deniers.....

kudzu
11-18-2018, 05:11 PM
atheists and extreme fundamentalists have a lot in common when it comes to interpreting scripture......

You don't have to "interpret" it at all.. Just read what it says.

Genesis 9:20-27 King James Version (KJV)

20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:

21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.

22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

26 And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

kudzu
11-18-2018, 05:18 PM
atheists and extreme fundamentalists have a lot in common when it comes to interpreting scripture......

You don't have to "interpret" it at all.. Just read what it says.

Genesis 9:20-27 King James Version (KJV)

20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:

21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.

22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

26 And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

kudzu
11-18-2018, 05:21 PM
slavery was the birthchild of god-deniers.....

Really?

Biblical Reasons
• Abraham, the “father of faith,” and all the patriarchs held slaves without God’s disapproval (Gen. 21:9–10).

• Canaan, Ham’s son, was made a slave to his brothers (Gen. 9:24–27).

• The Ten Commandments mention slavery twice, showing God’s implicit acceptance of it (Ex. 20:10, 17).

• Slavery was widespread throughout the Roman world, and yet Jesus never spoke against it.

• The apostle Paul specifically commanded slaves to obey their masters (Eph. 6:5–8).

• Paul returned a runaway slave, Philemon, to his master (Philem. 12).

jimmymccready
11-18-2018, 05:56 PM
Slavery with the birth child of man's inhumanity, whether atheist or believer.

kudzu
11-18-2018, 06:35 PM
Slavery with the birth child of man's inhumanity, whether atheist or believer.

Lots of justifications for heinous acts among Christians.. Like the thousands of witch burnings or even Gott Mit Un in Nazi Germany.

jimmymccready
11-18-2018, 07:38 PM
Lots of justifications for heinous acts among Christians.. Like the thousands of witch burnings or even Gott Mit Un in Nazi Germany.Or in Pol Pot's Cambodia or Mao's China just in the last century.

PostmodernProphet
11-19-2018, 05:47 AM
You don't have to "interpret" it at all.. Just read what it says.

Genesis 9:20-27 King James Version (KJV)

20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:

21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.

22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

26 And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

obviously some rigorous interpretation has been applied.......neither slavery or race is mentioned.......

kudzu
11-19-2018, 05:51 AM
obviously some rigorous interpretation has been applied.......neither slavery or race is mentioned.......

You have really poor reading skills.

25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

26 And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.


The so-called curse of Ham was actually on Ham's son Canaan and not on Ham himself.

PostmodernProphet
11-19-2018, 05:53 AM
Really?

Biblical Reasons
• Abraham, the “father of faith,” and all the patriarchs held slaves without God’s disapproval (Gen. 21:9–10).

• Canaan, Ham’s son, was made a slave to his brothers (Gen. 9:24–27).

• The Ten Commandments mention slavery twice, showing God’s implicit acceptance of it (Ex. 20:10, 17).

• Slavery was widespread throughout the Roman world, and yet Jesus never spoke against it.

• The apostle Paul specifically commanded slaves to obey their masters (Eph. 6:5–8).

• Paul returned a runaway slave, Philemon, to his master (Philem. 12).

yes, really.....only an atheist would twist scripture so violently to pretend it says the exact opposite of what Christianity teaches......have you ever read Phileman?......


15 Perhaps the reason he was separated from you for a little while was that you might have him back forever— 16 no longer as a slave, but better than a slave, as a dear brother. He is very dear to me but even dearer to you, both as a fellow man and as a brother in the Lord.
your anti-Christian bigotry is terribly sad.....

PostmodernProphet
11-19-2018, 05:57 AM
Lots of justifications for heinous acts among Christians.. Like the thousands of witch burnings or even Gott Mit Un in Nazi Germany.

you are such a hateful little cunt....did a Christian girl break your heart in high school?......is this all for revenge because your parents made you go to Sunday School.....

PostmodernProphet
11-19-2018, 06:00 AM
You have really poor reading skills.

25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

26 And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.


The so-called curse of Ham was actually on Ham's son Canaan and not on Ham himself.

and he was racially prejudiced against his brother?........by the way a servant isn't actually a slave......

https://www.biblestudytools.com/interlinear-bible/passage/?q=genesis+9&t=kjv

kudzu
11-19-2018, 06:10 AM
and he was racially prejudiced against his brother?........by the way a servant isn't actually a slave......

Really? The Christians in America got it wrong for nearly 400 years. Did you go to school at all? According to Genesis the four sons of Noah represent different people and Ham or Cham was black.

Muslims and Jews also believed that Ham was the father of the black race and that justified slavery.

Japheth is usually thought of as the “Father of the Europeans” and the “Father of the Japhetic Race” equating the Japhetic nations to Europeans. He is known to be the ancestor of all Indo-European nations. The majority of his descendants are situated in north western regions like Anatolia and Aegean. However, there are also assumptions that Japheth is the “Father of the Asian or Mongoloid People.

PostmodernProphet
11-19-2018, 06:30 AM
Really? The Christians in America got it wrong for nearly 400 years.

no......it was the anti-god slave owners that had it wrong.......


According to Genesis the four sons of Noah represent different people and Ham or Cham was black.

can you cite the verse that says that.....or did some anti-god theologian just make it up?.....

there are also assumptions

sort of summarizes all you posts...

iolo
11-19-2018, 06:59 AM
Roman slavery was - like that in many places - a mix of human and inhuman, like feudalism, capitalism and other sick systems. Racist slavery, however, was quite another thing - the direct denial of Christianity, as we can tell from all this Old Testament crap.

kudzu
11-19-2018, 07:01 AM
no......it was the anti-god slave owners that had it wrong.......


can you cite the verse that says that.....or did some anti-god theologian just make it up?.....


sort of summarizes all you posts...

Japath was supposed to be the father of Europeans and Shem was the father of the Hebrews and Arabs. What church were you raised in that you don't know your Bible?

PostmodernProphet
11-19-2018, 08:53 AM
Japath was supposed to be the father of Europeans and Shem was the father of the Hebrews and Arabs. What church were you raised in that you don't know your Bible?

I will repeat the question, not because I think you will actually answer it, but because I want everyone to notice the way you mind-fucked atheists dance away from the argument......


can you cite the verse that says that..

you see, the problem isn't that I don't know the Bible.......its that idiots like you lie about what is in it.......

Bobb
11-29-2018, 07:52 PM
I don't buy into the argument that Ham was an African American, and that his whole race is cursed. But, this IFC church is no more guilty of nonsense than libs who insist blacks are oppressed. An African American can walk into almost any university or job that whites with the same qualifications would be barred from. Blacks receive several times as much welfare, per capita, as whites. Black contributions to society include crimes on the street and crimes at the ballot box. Blacks are the oppressors.

Anarchon
11-29-2018, 07:58 PM
slavery was the birthchild of god-deniers.....

Back up your bullshit.

Guno צְבִי
11-29-2018, 08:06 PM
slavery was the birthchild of god-deniers.....


Sez the follower of that subhuman mutant luther the anti semite


How Christian Slaveholders Used the Bible to Justify Slavery


As shown by the following passages — adapted from Noel Rae’s new book The Great Stain, which uses firsthand accounts to tell the story of slavery in America — for some of them that rationalization was right there in the Bible.


http://time.com/5171819/christianity-slavery-book-excerpt/

PostmodernProphet
11-29-2018, 08:34 PM
How Christian Slaveholders Used the Bible to Justify Slavery


didn't work did it.....

PostmodernProphet
11-29-2018, 08:35 PM
Back up your bullshit.

does slavery predate Christianity?......

Bobb
11-29-2018, 08:36 PM
The libs accuse Christianity of being pro-slavery. That's an ironic charge from people, libs, who want to enslave the whole population to the government.

Libs love to lie about slavery in the Bible. Libs love to point to the verse about selling your daughter into slavery, but that's nothing but a 7-year (max) job contract. Another irony, libs objecting to women getting jobs in the Bible.

That ignorant Texas church is less racist than any lib.

Anarchon
11-29-2018, 10:18 PM
does slavery predate Christianity?......

Yep. First recorded instances of slavery were by religious people in Egypt and Mesopotamia. They were not god-deniers, as you claim. It just wasn't your god. I imagine there was slavery even before recorded history...since the dawn of man, and those numbskulls were probably religious too.

You'd do well to realize your religion wasn't the first or most important, but just another in a long line of bullshit throughout the history of man.

Bobb
11-29-2018, 10:37 PM
Yep. First recorded instances of slavery were by religious people in Egypt and Mesopotamia. They were not god-deniers, as you claim. It just wasn't your god. I imagine there was slavery even before recorded history...since the dawn of man, and those numbskulls were probably religious too.

You'd do well to realize your religion wasn't the first or most important, but just another in a long line of bullshit throughout the history of man.

There's one God. Denying him is denying God. Polythism of the ancient Egyptians is the equivalent of modern atheism. You worship created things, including yourself.

Anarchon
11-29-2018, 10:40 PM
There's one God. Denying him is denying God. Polythism of the ancient Egyptians is the equivalent of modern atheism. You worship created things, including yourself.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JohGniYph-c

kudzu
11-29-2018, 10:48 PM
I don't buy into the argument that Ham was an African American, and that his whole race is cursed. But, this IFC church is no more guilty of nonsense than libs who insist blacks are oppressed. An African American can walk into almost any university or job that whites with the same qualifications would be barred from. Blacks receive several times as much welfare, per capita, as whites. Black contributions to society include crimes on the street and crimes at the ballot box. Blacks are the oppressors.


There was NO AMERICA at the time Noah and his sons and Grandsons lived.

kudzu
11-29-2018, 10:50 PM
The libs accuse Christianity of being pro-slavery. That's an ironic charge from people, libs, who want to enslave the whole population to the government.

Libs love to lie about slavery in the Bible. Libs love to point to the verse about selling your daughter into slavery, but that's nothing but a 7-year (max) job contract. Another irony, libs objecting to women getting jobs in the Bible.

That ignorant Texas church is less racist than any lib.


Libs don't object to women getting jobs and that is NEVER mentioned in the Bible.

kudzu
11-29-2018, 10:51 PM
does slavery predate Christianity?......

Yes.. and it predates Judaism and the Book of Genesis.

Bobb
11-29-2018, 10:53 PM
There was NO AMERICA at the time Noah and his sons and Grandsons lived.

I'm making fun of dumb*** libs referring to blacks as African American. You know, libs really are dumb****s. I've seen them use this term for blacks when nationality was irrelevant or when they black in question wasn't American.

PostmodernProphet
11-30-2018, 06:10 AM
Yep. First recorded instances of slavery were by religious people in Egypt and Mesopotamia. They were not god-deniers, as you claim. It just wasn't your god. I imagine there was slavery even before recorded history...since the dawn of man, and those numbskulls were probably religious too.

You'd do well to realize your religion wasn't the first or most important, but just another in a long line of bullshit throughout the history of man.

oh child......it isn't merely that its the first or most important.......its the only one one that actually has a God.....you are all deniers......

PostmodernProphet
11-30-2018, 06:11 AM
Yes.. and it predates Judaism and the Book of Genesis.

thank for conceding.....

PostmodernProphet
11-30-2018, 06:12 AM
Libs don't object to women getting jobs

except senators from Mississippi.....

Guno צְבִי
11-30-2018, 06:17 AM
I'm making fun of dumb*** libs referring to blacks as African American. You know, libs really are dumb****s. I've seen them use this term for blacks when nationality was irrelevant or when they black in question wasn't American.

gee another subhuman white trash goyim

kudzu
11-30-2018, 06:38 AM
I'm making fun of dumb*** libs referring to blacks as African American. You know, libs really are dumb****s. I've seen them use this term for blacks when nationality was irrelevant or when they black in question wasn't American.

There are Moroccan Jews, Irish Americans, Italian Americans.. You're a bit of a twerp. There were NO African Americans in the days of Noah.

countryboy
11-30-2018, 06:44 AM
Religious Racism: Texas Church Argues There's a Biblical Precedent for Strict Racial Segregation


The curse of Ham,” an old-time Biblical (mis)interpretation used to vilify black people and justify slavery and laws against racial intermarriage, is still alive and spreading bigotry in the United States.

The Appleby Baptist Church in Nacogdoches, Texas, is among this country’s scattered, independent fundamentalist churches still openly promoting the idea that the Biblical Noah pronounced a curse on descendants of his son, Ham. Ham had sexually molested Noah as he slept in a drunken stupor, and Noah realized it, the story goes.

The curse ultimately fell on Canaan, Noah’s grandson, whose descendants were black and fated to be an underclass of slaves, according to this version of the Bible, which has been widely discredited by mainstream religious scholars.

But the canard is trumpeted loud and clear in an online statement of conviction by Appleby leaders. The East Texas church, 90 miles from Shreveport, La., is “a bit of a throwback, but these people are still out there,” Rachel Tabachnick, a fellow at the think tank Political Research Associates, told Hatewatch. She researches the impact of the religious right on politics and society.

For hundreds of years, the so-called curse of Ham was frequently taught by religious leaders as the source for racial differences, and in more recent times was seized on as a Biblical excuse for segregation and slavery, said Tabachnick. “There’s been a shift, and you don’t often see churches that are this forthright now, but the underlying theme is still there in fundamentalist holdout churches.”

The Appleby church, whose pastor could not immediately be reached for comment, proclaims a litany of racist beliefs on its website: The black descendants of Ham like fair-skinned women, of course. And “the proof of the presence of God among the Israelites was the absence of the black skinned folk of Canaan … It is obvious God is a separator, not a mixer. It is God who set the boundaries.”

And who’s in favor of the races mixing? The church knows: “Satan wants to eliminate color by interracial marriages. Someone will ask why do we have to see color when we look at one another? Why can’t we just see each other as people? The same reason you see a Poodle, German Shepherd, Beagle, etc. God made us different and set the bounds. You don’t get thoroughbreds by taking the fences down. You get thoroughbreds by putting the fences up.”


In case you don’t get the meta-message about thoroughbreds versus mongrels, the church’s statement mangles a Biblical passage in Matthew in which a Canaanite woman pleads with Christ on behalf of her daughter, who is assumed by the Appleby church to be black. “Christ terms her people as dogs,” the church says. “‘It is not meet to take the children’s bread and cast it to dogs.’ … Unlike modern day blacks yelling about equal rights, this woman humbles herself and says ‘Truth Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from the master’s table.’”

continued

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/religious-racism-texas-church-argues-theres-biblical-precedent-strict-racial

You know damn well it's a tiny fraction of people who believe this nonsense. It's not mainstream in any way, shape, or form.

PostmodernProphet
11-30-2018, 06:54 AM
You know damn well it's a tiny fraction of people who believe this nonsense. It's not mainstream in any way, shape, or form.

but then he wouldn't feel superior.....

Anarchon
11-30-2018, 07:55 AM
oh child......it isn't merely that its the first or most important.......its the only one one that actually has a God.....you are all deniers......

It sounds to me as if you are also a denier. The only difference is that I deny one more god than you do.

iolo
11-30-2018, 08:08 AM
I don't buy into the argument that Ham was an African American, and that his whole race is cursed. But, this IFC church is no more guilty of nonsense than libs who insist blacks are oppressed. An African American can walk into almost any university or job that whites with the same qualifications would be barred from. Blacks receive several times as much welfare, per capita, as whites. Black contributions to society include crimes on the street and crimes at the ballot box. Blacks are the oppressors.

The greatest American ever was Paul Robeson, brilliant football and basket-ball player, great singer, great actor, film star and orator . How many of the serfs are even allowed to know his name? Why is that, I wonder? Heil trumpf!

PostmodernProphet
11-30-2018, 08:12 AM
It sounds to me as if you are also a denier. The only difference is that I deny one more god than you do.

I don't deny the only real God.....only the pretend ones....that's the "one more" that you have chosen to deny.....

Anarchon
11-30-2018, 08:21 AM
I don't deny the only real God.....only the pretend ones....that's the "one more" that you have chosen to deny.....

What makes him different from the other pretend gods?

PostmodernProphet
11-30-2018, 08:25 AM
What makes him different from the other pretend gods?

you've said it yourself.....you've chosen to believe he's just another pretend god.....that's the difference.....

Bobb
11-30-2018, 03:11 PM
The greatest American ever was Paul Robeson, brilliant football and basket-ball player, great singer, great actor, film star and orator . How many of the serfs are even allowed to know his name? Why is that, I wonder? Heil trumpf!

Africoon Americans are commonly thought of as talented orators merely for the capacity to produce complete sentences. Sorry, even if Paul Robeson was a great man, low standards for blacks robs him of credible recognition.

Bobb
12-01-2018, 03:14 AM
There are Moroccan Jews, Irish Americans, Italian Americans.. You're a bit of a twerp. There were NO African Americans in the days of Noah.

WTF do you think? That the race of Africoon Americans didn't exist until the 1970s?

kudzu
12-01-2018, 04:14 AM
WTF do you think? That the race of Africoon Americans didn't exist until the 1970s?

We are talking about Genesis.. not the 1970s. Ham was Noah's son.

Ham was a son of Noah and the father of Cush, Mizraim, Phut and Canaan.. Ham's descendants are interpreted by Flavius Josephus and others as having populated Africa and adjoining parts of Asia.

iolo
12-01-2018, 06:29 AM
Africoon Americans are commonly thought of as talented orators merely for the capacity to produce complete sentences. Sorry, even if Paul Robeson was a great man, low standards for blacks robs him of credible recognition.

He was famous and well loved in all the civilized countries you never heard of, matey. A friend of my father's was also a friend of his, and where I lived he was practically worshipped. Ask your masters to let you out one day, do!

Bobb
12-01-2018, 07:06 AM
Ham was a son of Noah and the father of Cush, Mizraim, Phut and Canaan.. Ham's descendants are interpreted by Flavius Josephus and others as having populated Africa and adjoining parts of Asia.

Canaan was cursed. It's most doubtful that the Canaanites were black, even though Canaanites contemptibly immoral, a people to be hated.

kudzu
12-01-2018, 07:09 AM
Canaan was cursed. It's most doubtful that the Canaanites were black, even though Canaanites contemptibly immoral, a people to be hated.

No they weren't.. They were very successful, urban people involved in mining, metalurgy and potterymaking. That's why the Hebrews hated and demonized them.

The Hebrews were lawless Canaanites without land... on the fringes of society.

iolo
12-01-2018, 07:10 AM
Canaan was cursed. It's most doubtful that the Canaanites were black, even though Canaanites contemptibly immoral, a people to be hated.

And this is the Twenty-First Century, I believe. Weird!

kudzu
12-01-2018, 07:16 AM
And this is the Twenty-First Century, I believe. Weird!

The Canaanites comprised a wide variety of tribes, including Ugarites, Amorites, Cohenites, several Hebrew tribes, Moabites, and Ammonites.

christiefan915
12-02-2018, 04:18 PM
I don't buy into the argument that Ham was an African American, and that his whole race is cursed. But, this IFC church is no more guilty of nonsense than libs who insist blacks are oppressed. An African American can walk into almost any university or job that whites with the same qualifications would be barred from. Blacks receive several times as much welfare, per capita, as whites. Black contributions to society include crimes on the street and crimes at the ballot box. Blacks are the oppressors.

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christiefan915
12-02-2018, 04:22 PM
WTF do you think? That the race of Africoon Americans didn't exist until the 1970s?

I think you must be one of the Stormfront trolls who routinely infest this forum.

Adolf_Twitler
12-02-2018, 04:39 PM
creepy stuff

I was about to say! LOL!

domer76
12-04-2018, 11:14 AM
I don't buy into the argument that Ham was an African American, and that his whole race is cursed. But, this IFC church is no more guilty of nonsense than libs who insist blacks are oppressed. An African American can walk into almost any university or job that whites with the same qualifications would be barred from. Blacks receive several times as much welfare, per capita, as whites. Black contributions to society include crimes on the street and crimes at the ballot box. Blacks are the oppressors.

^:lolup::rofl2:

Another Christian, white, male victim. What an oppressed group!

Tell us, racist asswipe, that you would have preferred to have been born into that elite race.

We'll wait.